Horrified by Greeley forum
Sunday, September 30 at 2:00 PM

Marc Ringel of Greeley writes:

I am horrified by the antics of Weld County District Attorney, Ken Buck, doing what he can to stir up reservoirs of racial prejudice so as to solidify his position as the law-and-order guy who will attract an Immigration and Customs Enforcement office to Greeley. And I’m ashamed that the DA’s blatant hate-mongering has not fallen on deaf ears, as manifest by the 500 citizens who chose to attend the September 19 meeting, called by the North Colorado Conservative Alliance (NCCA), where Mr. Buck held forth about the illegal immigrant crime menace in our community.
Bill Johnson in his “Rocky Talk” column, published on Saturday September 22, deftly skewers Mr. Buck for a total lack of data to back up his contention that illegal immigrants contribute enough to the overall crime picture to merit singling out. In that commentary Johnson describes the audience at the NCCA meeting as “\[a\] throng of mostly cowboy-hat-and-big-buckle-wearing Americans.”
Here’s where the average liberal writer would reply, “We’re not all cowboys in Weld County,” or “Not all cowboys are like that,” or “Some of my best friends are cowboys,” all true. Instead, I’d like to point out that, in his caricature of my fellow citizens, Johnson calls on a host of prejudicial mental pictures of western-style rednecks. Tarring anybody with such an unflattering stereotype is wrong, including white rural folks.

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READER COMMENTS

Marc, the racism angle doesn't play anymore. These are concerned Americans. Here is an excerpt from other letters to the editor from El Paso Times in Tx. This letter is not atypical but a weekly occurence. It isn't a racist thing but a fairness thing.

Illegal immigration 9-27-07

It worries me that people in this part of the country think that an illegal or undocumented immigrant has rights to be in this great country of ours.

They are not able to tell the difference between an immigrant who was inspected and admitted and one who entered illegally.

An illegal alien is just what is means, AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, a person who has not been inspected and admitted legally and is therefore deportable. There are hundreds of thousands of immigrants waiting their turn to enter this country legally and they are waiting in their country.

Why should we go out of our way to accommodate one who was not legally admitted?

Any person who assists an illegal alien to evade removal or deportation should be held accountable for his/her actions and brought before a court of law.

Teofilo Lara
Northeast El Paso

Posted by Ben on September 30, 2007 02:13 PM

I am horrified by the antics of illegal aliens and their supporters.Illegal aliens are doing what they can to stir up the reservoirs by claiming racial predjudice so they can solidify their position by ignoring the laws in our country.

The illegals and their supporters should be ASHAMED at their blatant disregard for our laws and the draining of American citizens tax money.

One American killed by an illegal driving without a license and insurance,is ONE too many!

One American citizen killed by an illegal alien robbing someone, is ONE too many.!

One American citizen being raped by an illegal alien ,is ONE too many.!

One American citizen who has their identity stolen by an illegal alien, is ONE too many!

One child raped by an Illegal Alien, is One too many!

One police officer being shot at or killed by an illegal alien, is ONE too many!

One illegal alien having a baby in the U.S..is ONE too many!

A baby born to an illegal alien and getting social services, is ONE too many!

An American citizen hurt by a hit and run illegal alien,is ONE too many!

Anyone getting shot and killed by an illegal alien,is ONE too many!

One American citizen that loses a job to an illegal alien ,is ONE too many!

One American citizen who is a victim of a crime committed by an illegal alien,is ONE too many!

One illegal alien demanding rights in our country ,is ONE too many!

A child of illegal aliens in our schools ,is ONE too many!


I can think of 12-20 million reasons allowing illegal aliens stay in this country,is ONE too many!

Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on September 30, 2007 05:08 PM

Amen, one of your post is one to many

Posted by D on September 30, 2007 05:26 PM

Amen

Posted by on September 30, 2007 05:26 PM

Thank you Ken Buck and the Weld County DA's office.

Posted by on September 30, 2007 05:30 PM

As long as the vast majority of invaders to our country are of a particular large ethnic group, we are not allowed to protest because we would then be racists. We should surrender our country to be overrun by that large ethnic group, to turn into the very same kind of third-world nation from where that ethnic group originates, because the greater good is to not be racist. The greater good is better than defending America for our American children. Just give it away, but the world will smile in approval.

Posted by Denise on September 30, 2007 05:52 PM

If we can avoid an increase in crime by enforcing the laws we already have, shouldn't we? We have enough problems with Americans doing crimes against Americans, why invite more crime from a controllable population? Enforce the immigration and hiring laws. Increase the penalty for those who hire illegals.

Posted by Victor on September 30, 2007 06:41 PM

Here we go, another FLIPPER! (Flipper; one who takes the meaning of ILLEGAL immigrant and "flips" it to mean racism.

God, Marc, you TOO do not know the meaning of ILLEGAL immigration. Maybe you like lawbreakers (the become lawbreakers the second they sneak into this country) laughing at our immigration laws and collecting freebies, i.e., welfare, education, health care etc. etc. etc. while we Americans work our asses off to hand over our tax money to pay for all these things! Does that give you JOY?

Greeley seems to give a damn about their LEGAL citizens and cared enough to call a meeting to show the impact that ILLEGALS are having on their city.

I can't believe I read ANOTHER rant by ANOTHER FLIPPER! ARE YOU BLIND to what is going on in this country??

IT'S NOT RACISM. IT'S ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and the Weld County DA gives a damn about making sure the people of Greeley know what the impact of this invasion is on their city.

I wish the government of this country gave a damn about the rest of us!

Posted by c on September 30, 2007 09:37 PM

I was at that meeting, there was nothing racist about it. It was meeting to inform people that live in Greeley that the they have a problem..and that problem is crimes committed by illegal aliens. I hope that by bringing this problem out in the open that people will realize that there is a serious problem that needs resolution. For illegal aliens that wear shirts "I am not a criminal", yes you are, you broke the law by sneaking into this country, by using forged and/or stolen documents to obtain services that you are not entitled to. This meeting was NOT ABOUT RACE! Come up with a better argument, the RACE card is old and does not hold water anymore, American Citizens are waking up that there is a serious problem and WE the people are going to have to deal with it.

Posted by Pam on October 1, 2007 07:15 AM

The flippers should be careful of what they wish for.......They may very well be able to turn our government from one that WON'T clean up the problem into one that CAN'T clean up the problem- and one that can't stop well-organized,well-armed citizens vigilante groups from solving the problem with extreme violence towards the hapless illegals as well as anyone giving them cover.

Posted by Jimminy on October 1, 2007 07:26 AM

Pam,you make an excellent point about this racism business.May I expand a little?
It's absolutely true that the flippers talk racism,comparing the present illegal-alien crisis to the late '50s African-American civil rights movement.
In the latter instance,the federal government did indeed (mostly) resolve the situation.We should remember,though,that THAT government was the one that smashed the Axis flat,led by Dwight D. Eisenhower,the hero of Normandy.
THIS government is the one that ran away from Viet Nam,that cowered before the Ayatollah,and now fawns on his lieutenant Mahmoud at Columbia University.
For the flippers to expect that THIS government will act as did THAT government is foolish,perhaps fatally so.

Posted by Jimminy on October 1, 2007 08:03 AM

Why help people who live among us, yet have NO allegiance our nation? How long can a nation last when it is full of people who HATE it? Full of people who just USE it for financial gain?

How is it not national suicide to allow so many people who are hostile to this nation to pour into it daily?

Do any of you people reading this even care if the United States survives?

Posted by truthy on October 1, 2007 08:37 AM

Illegal immigration/illegal aliens hurts every citizen without regard to ethnic background. Most of our civil concerns (health insurance, hospitals, schools....etc etc.) can be mediated or vastly improved by deportation of illegals and punishing employers of illegals. What I find horrific, is the lack of concern for American citizens.

Posted by Tom on October 1, 2007 10:03 AM

Why does anti illegal immigration equal
racism?

I challenge anyone to answer that?

I'm for securing our borders from all illegal immigrants, wherever they're from, whatever
race/creed they may be. And this makes me a racist?....what a bunch of tired BS.

Posted by RickyLee on October 1, 2007 12:31 PM

11:55

You sure showed me! Now I completely see how it is racist to want to protect your country. What the hell was I thinking!

I must ask though, do all elementary schools let you kids use that kind of language during computer time?

Posted by truthy on October 1, 2007 12:34 PM

Oh, look at you, truthy!! So very excited that you actually got someone to quit ignoring you for a while. I know that's not a pencil in your pocket (you wish it was that big), I know that you are really this happy!! Better hide the dogs, sheep, and little boys . . .

And if you could, go ahead and give me some rant about what you believe in. I need a laugh, and your nonsense and stupidity never fails to deliver.

Posted by typical conservative, also truthy's best friend and mentor on October 1, 2007 12:44 PM

I think I bruised someone’s little ego...

Sorry pumpkin.

Posted by truthy on October 1, 2007 12:47 PM

Surprise, surprise, surprise!! Once again, you think wrong, truthy. Try again soon, 'kay big shooter?

Posted by TC, ATBFAM on October 1, 2007 01:13 PM

Thank you CIGAA 5:08

Remember when cowboy hats were cool,
like Allen Jackson wearing one?

Now, it's like 'why are you wearing that hat..This is America. Take that damn hat off
and those stupid pointy boots..you're at Wal-Mart..for God sake!

My brother asked a Mexican (sarcasticly at Wal-Mart)
where's the horse.? The man said proudly, oh, I have many.

Posted by maria on October 1, 2007 01:14 PM

KUDOS to you CIGAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by A on October 1, 2007 01:54 PM

Sorry Maria don't wear or care about who or what is wearing cowboy hats or pointed toed boots. Hate country music.

I'm a rocker and always will be!

Bruce Springsteen comes to mind.


BORN IN THE U.S.A. (legally)

Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on October 2, 2007 02:04 PM

cigaa,
Only the Thank you was for you,
The rest was something my bro. and I was talking about and I threw it in..we talked about assimilation. BORN IN THE USA
5TH GENERATION AMERICAN!

Posted by maria on October 2, 2007 02:21 PM

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