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What a crock of scientology vomit!! Mark, I hope that you never fly on a DC-10. You may be destroyed by the evil alien overlord of this galaxy.
Posted by on September 13, 2007 02:09 PMthe best way to strike it rich is to start a new cult/religion
Posted by L Ron Hubbard on September 13, 2007 02:19 PMSpeaking of tools, Carberry...
Posted by on September 13, 2007 03:37 PMMark,
Is all this from personal experience? If so maybe you should see somebody about this!! If not from personal experience then I have one question. WTF?
Posted by Mike D. on September 13, 2007 05:22 PMWow, that's a thorough washing! I bet you could eat off that brain!
P.S. You forgot to tell us about OT III.
Posted by Arioch on September 13, 2007 06:13 PM"This is done through the cleverly brutal but 'humanized' techniques of electric shock 'therapy', lobotomies, and drugging."
Certainly sounds like the voice of experience. Were those done to you in that order, Mr. Carberry?
Posted by Hans Christian Brando on September 13, 2007 06:45 PMOr was the movie "Frances" on television recently?
Posted by Hans Christian Brando on September 13, 2007 06:48 PMGuess we have another member of the L ron Hubbard Fan Club. I simply cant call it a religion, You cant find a God with a device made fom $20 worth of parts from Radio Shack.
Posted by Tj on September 13, 2007 07:10 PMTj, well now that depends. I know some women who claim to have found God using a type of device, made with parts, that use a battery.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 13, 2007 07:43 PMWhen Hubbard first wrote dienetics (or however the loopy thing is spelled) he actually tried to get it approved as an accepted psychological technique. He went to the Menninger Institute where he met with a group of Dr's led by Karl Menninger and Carl Jung. They politely suggested he stick to writing science fiction. Thus began the cult of scientology and it's hatred of psychology and psychiatry.
A doctor who interned at the Menninger Institute related this story to me.
Posted by geo on September 13, 2007 07:51 PMHi Sharon,
That's about the best description of the tin-can "E-Meter" I've heard yet.
Would I be wrong in saying that at least part of the joy comes from "sharing" the experience with a fantasy of Tom Cruise?
Years ago, when the Great Sachem of Science Fiction, Campbell of "Astounding" - now "Analog" - "Science Fiction" was touting Hubbard as a writer, rumors began going round of Hubbard's great new "discovery" in the world of Psychology. This was called the "Engram", which, by way of a couple of frozen juice cans, hooked up to a dry cell battery, was "cleared", after the practitioner had managed to do whatever mumbo-jumbo was called for to get the tin cans to . . . whatever.
Having just entered upon the field as a fledgling head shrinker myself, I was curious. So, I went to the local store-front establishment of the outfit; and asked for information. I was, even then, familiar with the electroencephalograph, and other forms of diagnostic devices, as well as the so called "lie detector", or polygraph. So, I more or less expected at least a bit of sophistication in the gadget. Well, the basics of two frozen orange juice cans and wires to a dry cell were, to say the least, completely underwhelming. As was the price of the "educational demonstration" offered at the time. Having exchanged some letters with various colleagues around the country, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't even a good con game, much less something to take seriously in the real world.
Campbell, however, became one of the "First Disciples", so the speak; and correspondence with him eventually led to simply dropping subscription to his magazine, and finding better written stories for relaxation reading.
Then came the "revelation" - all about how some ETs had dropped mankind on the planet, as a sort of "penal colony", back some thousands and thousands of years ago. Then Hubbard - who was really a poor writer to begin with - began peddling his otherwise unsalable stories as "Scriptures", while dodging taxes by living at sea on a yacht; and the "religion" of "Scientology" came to join such other kooky cults as The Brotherhood of the White Temple, The Great I Am, and others of the same ilk.
And of course, Hubbard made millions off the sale, by chapters and "degrees", of all the science fiction nobody would buy for either magazine or other publication, since it was such total garbage, and so poorly written to begin with. (Ive heard it said that it was "imitation Jos. Smith Jr. level.)
But, as is attributed to dear old P.T. Barnum: "There's one born every minute". And the racket is still alive and thriving. And just as much garbage now as it was when Hubbard launched it upon the world.
Of course, outright charlatanry and fakery will always be at odds with any attempt at honest efforts to deal with serious problems. After all, people won't always go on buying Snake Oil, when a real medicine becomes available. So, today the "religion" of Scientology lies, over and over again, about Psychiatry and Psychology, since it is true that, "You can fool some of the people all the time" anyway. Add in, or on, a few Hollywood hams - or hunks - and you've got a sure winner on the Midway.
Posted by Old Grouch on September 13, 2007 08:38 PMOld Grouch, this reminds me of two books "Waiting for the Galactic Bus" and the "Snake Oil Wars". Pure science fiction and very funny.
Two brothers are left on Earth after a graduation party, and one raises the conscience of an animal to human level.
Earth wasn`t a penal colony, but a kids experiment.
Since people lingered on for awhile after death, the brothers had to create Heaven and Hell for them.
Hubbards books always look so big. I have never read one.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 13, 2007 09:14 PM
I've got to get me some of this psychiatry.
Posted by on September 13, 2007 11:13 PMI tried to read one of the Hubbard books once, and it was about as understandable as Mr. Carberry's letter. Guess I need a couple of tin cans to "clear" my mind . . . . . .
Posted by CWW on September 14, 2007 09:29 AMPsychiatry and therapists are both bogus
Posted by on September 14, 2007 11:37 AMThanks for the comic relief, Mark. This forum needed that.
Posted by Truth on September 14, 2007 01:29 PMAnyone remember Tesla from Colorado Springs? We could hook up one of his experiments with electricity to the engram machine and clear the minds of all the people for miles around.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 14, 2007 02:23 PMGotta watch the South Park episode with Tom Cruuuuz in the closet.
Posted by tj on September 14, 2007 05:37 PMGermany as the L Ron Hubbard Fan Club right as a group who takes advantage of vunerable people.
Posted by hhhmm on September 14, 2007 10:32 PMTom you need to come out of the closet!!
Posted by tj on September 15, 2007 03:47 PM