Threatening talk from some Hispanics
In his recent attack on the United States (“Mexico’s leader rips U.S. policies,” Sept. 3), Mexican President Felipe Calderon also stated that “Mexico does not end at its borders.” While this irritates many U.S. citizens, we understand that it is made primarily for home consumption to show he stands up to his northern neighbor and thus we don’t get unduly upset about it.
More unsettling are statements from longtime residents such as Ismael Medina (“Bids for citizenship on rise,” Sept. 1) who, after 20 years here, “said he is tired of the anti-immigrant rhetoric and is putting on notice lawmakers who have been vocal critics of illegal immigration.”
In the same story, Maria Pasillas says, “I don’t like the way they (immigrants) are treated. We’ve all been there. I’ll never forget that. My children will never forget.”
Hardly the talk of people who came to this country to integrate into our society because they preferred this country to their native Mexico.
Marta Moreno of El Comite de Longmont says, “people we register ... we want them to run for the school board and city council positions tomorrow.” Then in language usually used as a threat, Moreno said, “We’re going to see a whole lot of changes around here soon. Just wait and see.”
Two decades ago Zero Population Growth said that by 2025 Anglos would be a minority in this country. Moreno may be right.
Richard Ellian, Denver
Hardly the talk of people who came to this country to integrate into our society because they preferred this country to their native Mexico....
Richard Ellian, your ignorance is showing.
Colorado is a Spanish name meaning 'red', first referring to the Colorado River.
Were you aware that Colorado was considered at one point owned by the Spanish and Mexican governments?
Native Americans had quite a stake in this territory also.
Why is it that you think this state is a soley owned 'white' state where any other color doesn't belong. When in fact if you take a good look at the history books you will see that the 'whites' are the invaders and the immigrants in this saga. The people of color, the Spanish, Mexicans, Native Americans, yes, those who have a different shade of skin color (and most likely) a different way of speaking actually OWNED this country long before your people, Richard Ellian, came to this state.
Just what is your fear, Richard Ellian, of Anglos being a minority in this country??? It happened before when your people came over here.
Why so scared of the brown people who used to own this land??
Michelle, you are one of the dumbest people on the planet. the letter writer is not refering to the state as " white " you imbecile , rather that the LEGAL CITIZENS should rule and recieve all benefits therfore.
and your stance on who used to "own this state and country is RIDDICULOUS, NONE of those cultures own ANYTHING and have NO CLAIM to it anylonger. so the choice now is assimilate to THIS culture or get the hell out. OBEYING the LAW is not an option you retard. You and your kind ( i am sure you are an illegal ) are why the legal citizens of the country need to do everything we can to stop YOUR invasion.
Posted by Fresh on September 18, 2007 02:56 AMI dont' know - using michelles logic Rome and the ancient greek empires could be re-established...... as well as persia and the mongul empire........ after all they once "owned" large parts of the european and asian continents right?
Posted by Brian on September 18, 2007 05:06 AM"Why so scared of the brown people who used to own this land??"
You mean the apache, blackfoot, iriqouis....... et al?
Posted by brian on September 18, 2007 05:08 AMFresh: let me say this first: i may agree with you in regards to legal residents v. illegal residents and the whoe concept of what used to belong to someone and who owns what, now, but I guarantee that you aren't going to make any points (in other words, convince anyone to your side of ideas) by yelling and name calling. Is it possible for you to write a letter in response to Michelle, without being offensive? Just a thought.
Good luck. I look forward to the re-write.
Posted by Sheila on September 18, 2007 05:40 AMThink about it - only 2 groups benefit from illegal immigration into the US:
1) countries (mostly south of the US border, where 85% of the illegals - at best guess - come from) which don't have to deal with their own social & economic issues. According to the World Bank's Global Economic Prospects report, officially recorded remittances (financial transfers made by both legal & illegal workers to their home countries, usually their to their families) worldwide exceeded 232 billion dollars in 2005. Remittances to Mexico from the US (most from workers here illegally) are second only to oil exports. Why should Mexico fix its problems when they can ship them north - and get paid for it?
2) businesses (and to a lesser extent individuals) who hire illegals, driving down the wage base, predominately for blue collar worker. Unless/until the US adopts the same hard-nosed tactics against illegal EMPLOYERS that the EU has adopted this will never stop. The EU has discovered it has an illegal immigration problem too - to the tune of 500,000 or more illegals per year. To put a stop to it, EU nations are charging meaningful fines & jail time to those employers - and I believe that the US needs to do the same. If the CEO of a major corporation faced jail time for hiring practices which are tacitly approved so that CEO can "earn" 200-300 times what the average worker earns, as well as the company facing fines which would lower profits SIGNIFICANTLY (costing the CEO his income) perhaps these business policies will change.
mary why dont you go to some of the socialist /communist countries that you want to look like. I suggest you start in Saudi and please spout off like you are the smartest person there and be sure to tell off every man who works what idiots they are. Please Please go some where the eu is and leave us alone.
Posted by on September 18, 2007 05:58 AMMichelle,
You are not the dumbest person to ever post here. But you are really, really, really close.
Have a nice day.
Love,
Truthy
Thats the truthy that we all know and have come to love.
Posted by Pam on September 18, 2007 06:49 AMLets face facts. There are laws that a society places upon its citizens to obey. These laws prevent caos. When you break the law you become a criminal.
Those who think immigration is not worth enforceing might want to remember jay walking is a crime as well. Though it is only a minor misdomeaner it still is a violation of the law. Can you imagine trying to drive while the walking populance just wants to cross the street wherever they feel like it, (well they do that now, but).
Illegal Aliens are in violation of the laws on entering this country. There is nothing wrong with immigration law now except it is not enforced.
Mexico refuses to aid in the enforcenment of the boarder as they recieve over 70% of thier nation gross from thier citizens who are here ILLEGALLY. Now those who are crying the most are invested in staying here because they do not want to go back to a poverty filled nation , i.e. Mexico.
Being here for decades, enjoying cable, a home, and handouts why would you want to leave either. The problem is that they are trying to recreate the culture they supposedly fled from.
When we allow outsiders to come in and vote , change our culture it leads to a breakdown, and loss of civilization. Rome is a prime example. They outsourced thier military and work force. Hmmm sound familiar to today?
Those who do not support open boarders are not racist as claimed. Many just want to keep the melting pot going. Not making it a crucible to seperate and diversify culture.
For nearly 200 years we as a country have accepted ways and ideas from other cultures and integrated it into our own. Now , however we are forsaking other cultures for a single culture, that from south of the boarder.
Yes one culture. The culture being accepted is not even the good qualities. We are accepting the barrios (slums), graft (political bribery), gangs (MS-13). This is not what the American people support or want. Those that claim not so and not happening are as blind as the ones who claim 9/11 to be an inside job.
Bottom line if you don't like it here then LEAVE!!!!!
Posted by on September 18, 2007 07:05 AMWhy should I push one for English?
Posted by on September 18, 2007 07:22 AMWhy should I push one for English?
Posted by on September 18, 2007 07:22 AMWhat do you expect? Mexico is emptying itself of uneducated, impoverished, unskilled, illiterate people who commit crimes Americans don't want to do.
Posted by Frustrated on September 18, 2007 07:23 AMRMN has become a vehicle for Illegals to threaten citizens. Yesterday RMN published a heavily biased story by Fernando Quintana, on a forum in Greeley. D.A. Ken Buck is hosting a forum call "Illegal Immigration: untold stories". Quintana prints a big picture of Mr. Buck in an article portraying him as a racist. And he publisheds the date, time, and place of this forum so illegals can interupt legal citizens right to speech.
The only racists in the article are those whom Quintana quoted and himself. The forum is an attempt to put a face on the lives the illegals have destroyed (largely ignored by politians). The crime caused by illegal aliens effects many people. I am willing to bet that more people have been killed by illegal aliens than US troops in Iraq. I commend Mr. Buck for not ignoring the devestation caused by illegal aliens. Fernando Quintana, on the other hand, shows his fidelity lies with a foreign nation.
Frustrated
You hit the nail on the head. Remember the cuban refugees, the majority that were Allowed to leave were of the criminal segment of that society. I do not say the same for Mexico however, some of those coming from Mexico are indeed of that ilk. The whole onus lays with us, the people most effected, to make sure those who come here are not the criminal rejects of the country they come from.. By the way, Indians had no word describing ownership of land. They believed the land was a gift to use , not own.
To go back in history to prove prior ownership is to destroy every positive evolution of society after that prior time and which is unarguably better than how it use to be. In any case, there is no country in the past or present that has not undergone invasion, conquering and occupation on the face of the planet. To exclusively blame the U.S., to the exclusion of all other countries for violations of ownership rights, is a joke. If that is to be the ruling of people, get use to no bathrooms, no deorderant, no hot water, no cars, no phones; huting wtih bows, spears and rocks, no refigerators, ovens or microwaves; no roads, sewage removal, electricity or propane, clean water delivery or matches, in other words, give up all the things that make life easier and die at the ripe old age of 30 because there is also no medical care that does more good than harm.
Posted by Allen Campbell on September 18, 2007 08:14 AMIt seems everytime a group wants to speak out against ILLEGAL ALIENS,in a forum or town meeting type assembly,they are shouted down and disrupted.
The groups that hold these forums are trying to get the debate out in the open where citizens can speak on how the failed policies of allowing millions of illegals into this country are harming the quality of life for all citizens and immigrants who have come here LEGALLY.
Something very alarming happens when citizens try to speak out against people who are breaking many laws just being here.
They are shouted down until they are not allowed their basic right of freedom of speech.
The illegal immigrant supporters will not allow American citizens their rights to free speech! I find this appalling.
In our own country we are not allowed to assemble and speak out using our freedom of speech.
I urge all citizens to keep flooding Congress,The Senate,your State Government and every Presidential Candidates with calls ,E-mails and letters to demand a immigration reform that does not have any amnesty in it.Put pressure on the Candidates everyday! Do not let up!
The war is not the ,it is illegals ruining this country. Healthcare would be affordable and everyone could have it if we got rid of all entitlement programs for illegals and got a Supreme Court ruling on children born to illegal aliens in this country. They are not and should not be consisdered citizens.
The war is at home with citizens tired of paying for illegals with their tax money and paying with their lives.
We need to step up the campaign to solve this illegal alien problem again.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on September 18, 2007 08:24 AMWhy the News would title this story " Threating Talk from Some "Hispanics" is totally inapropiate. The real title should read Threating talk from Mexico and Mexicans. The News uses a wide sweeping brush using the word "Hispanic". Whats next "Spic"?
That Mexico and it's Presidente sure have some gall and are shamless moochers.
Up his! and we are not responsible for his people and their problems. Typical ungrateful people with their hand out and on top of everything demanding what they are not entitled to!
I blame the our political leaders both Democrats and Rebublicans for this entire problem that they benefit from and we pay the tab and have to endure the frustration of having to put up with these thiefs and the other unnecessary crimminal behaviour they import.
Fresh,
Actually, you're one of the dumbest people.
People like you make the argument that everyone who lives here, regardless of their heritage, needs to assimilate to the cultural standards of certain people - like speaking English.
Assimilation if an evolutionary process and only a fool believes that the way things are now are the way they will always be.
Latin was the once the language of the civilized world. Now it's dead.
Why?
Because populations are always shifting.
People who speak different languages move to other places and eventually, over time, languages and cultures, merge into new hybrids.
The hispanic population in America is growing steadily and no, it's not just from immigration.
When they become the majority, possibly in your lifetime, do you really want them to turn the table on you and say, "Hey..now we're the ones in the majority and you assimilate to our ways or else"?
This "my way or the high way" mentality is a sure way to ignite a culture war that we don't need to wage. We need to practice cultural diplomacy right here at home as well as abroad. We are the melting pot, remember?
08:58, my home is being invaded and you suggest diplomacy. Americans are getting killed here, and you suggest diplomacy. The "cultural war" is on and the illegals are saying to Americans, assimulate or else. Wake up and be heard Americans!
Posted by Breeze on September 18, 2007 09:06 AMThis Calderon has no problem critizcing our efforts overseas, and how we are such a "bad country" but has no problem sending his citizens to live here, because the opportunities are better for the mexican people.
We are either a horrible country or a great one depending on what fits his agenda at the time.
Maybe instead he should get off his lazy rear end and CREATE opportunity for his people and do a THOROUGH job of eradicating the crookedness that seems to pervade the government there...............
Posted by Heather on September 18, 2007 09:19 AM8:58 am, as long as the illegals consider Colorado part of Mexico, there WILL be a culture (or worse) war. These people are not willing to join the melting pot, they want to take over.
P.S. Michelle, you may not be the dumbest person to post here, but you may be the most naive. Why don't you move to Boulder, they could use someone like you.
Posted by CWW on September 18, 2007 09:19 AMThe worst part of Michelle's diatribe is that when she has nothing rational to say, she plays the race card.
Actually, the biggest problems I have with the country of Mexico is their terrible human rights record and their persistent refusal to eliminate graft. It has nothing to do with their race. In fact, if you would bother to educate yourself Michelle, you would learn that there are several races in Mexico. Some of which periodically periodically engage in armed rebellion against the government because of human rights problems.
Posted by Yaakov Watkins on September 18, 2007 09:32 AM
Time to round the wagons, so to speak.
CWW and Breeze...
Here we go again...you're the ones who are naive because you're buying everything the media and politicos are selling. You're not thinking for yourselves. You're just getting irate at everything they tell you to be irate at.
You are the angry mindless mob.
You're assuming that those darn "illegals" are to blame for everything.
Ask yourselves why illegal immigration is suddenly such a hot topic issue?
Because of 9/11? No..there were no hispanics among those hijackers.
Was there suddenly just a huge flood of immigrants who started coming across our borders in the last five or six years? No. Illegal immigration has always been an issue.
Scapegoating illegals for all our woes was the made to order gripe-du-jour that was packaged and oh so professionally delivered by politicians on both sides to divert our attention from an unpopular war and their roles in it.
And regarding assimilation, there are millions of born and raised in America citizens...many with families that go back generations...many that have been here a hell of alot longer than your family or mine...who speak Spanish as a first language.
I was making the point throughout human history, populations shift and languages and cultures are blended. Many languages grew out of latin as it was spread throughout Europe over the centuries and local dialects evolved into entirely new languages.
We don't even speak the same english that they speak in England, the native land of our language.
Arrogantly demanding assimilation a population that in a very few short years is going to be in the majority is just plain stupid.
And if you think they're all "illegals", you're a truly special kind of stupid, cause you're stuck in a rhetorical rut so deep that you can't see anything but what you have decided for yourself.
Posted by on September 18, 2007 10:53 AMlets see....who is the one hiding behind the "posted by? but no name?
Personally your words are fighting total UnAmerican and your Ideology is Communist! Why? because you think you see it like it is and will be, instead of believing This Is America NOT MEXICO. Who cares about the past history. Its now...bud....if you feel those that come into this country illegally deserve to be here, just say so. Stop with all the lecturing attacking others and get on with how to deal with this.
I'd say...first...they broke the law....coming across and not legally doing it right. How hard is this to SEE? NO LOGIC.
Secondly, if we permitted this to continue...do you believe just about everyone in the whole wide world would cross our borders and to heck with the law? I also believe its sick that people tend to labelize themselves first with their culture and not as Americans. You are an American First not mexican, irish, white..but all Amercans.
Personally we will have ourselves another Baltic situation.
Whats the Solution? Its been there but no Backbone and our traitors in our Goverment are selling out. They should all be arrested.
The belief is, if we must continue to be the Culture our Constitution is based on, we must deport and enforce the laws meant to be. Its a matter of true Americans picking up their guns and create State Militias then enforcing the state to enforce Immigration laws. We need to clean house people of those that do not abide nor hold those accountable...Thats right ACCOUNTABILITY!!!I don't see any now and may never be.
oh yes....stop calling everyone stupid ! You are just as stupid by saying so.
Wow. The day i stop in, I get to see the "stupidest" letter ever written by the "dumbest" person ever. I am not sure what research was used to derive these high standards, but I have no doubt there are stringent measures in place for these types of lofty generalizations. What a great day!
And here I thought I was in for just more run of the mill name calling.
Thank you for the letter Richard. We need many more. This subject has been in the dark way to long. We MUST remain vigilant.
Posted by Jerry on September 18, 2007 12:32 PMCall your Reps. to encourage them to vote NO to any amendaments to this week,s defense bill that gives illegal aliens amnesty. Congressman Flake of Arizona and Guiterrez of Illinois (how in the hell did a Mexican become a Congressman from Illinois?) are trying to attache the DREAM ACT and STRIVE legislation. Back door amnesties in piecemeal fashion.
Posted by Ben's Border Street on September 18, 2007 12:39 PMVigilante committees now being formed. Please bring references and range scores when applying.
Posted by on September 18, 2007 01:47 PM1:47 Vigilantes? Guess what. People don't buy that garbage anymore. We are just real Americans concerned about our country, culture and people and children.
Posted by Real American on September 18, 2007 02:00 PMReal American
I would imagine that 01:47 was a tongue in cheek attempt at humor. However, violence is a growing problem in the LA inner city area now.
Blacks are striking back at the Hispanics as they perceive illegals have taken job opportunity and affordable housing away from them. For the present time it appears to be mainly gang related activity; black gangs versus Hispanics. However, there arises periodic outcries that all illegals should be targeted.
Something has to be done to effectively address the situation before it does become volatile and people are being hurt or killed. It doesn't take much to stoke the mob mentality into a frenzy that can quickly out of hand.
Posted by mongoose on September 18, 2007 02:23 PMRichard..Good letter.
Americans are fed up and outraged at the arrogance of these so called leaders.
Bottom line..they want to take over our country. I myself am sick of all their drama..everyday..shootings and killings ,
car accidents, wrecking and running away
on and on......Take time to call your reps
EVERYDAY people!
fed up,
Amen, my American friend!
Posted by Action Jackson on September 18, 2007 02:50 PMSheila- Did you really think that Michelle's rant was friendly? She sounds just like another radical ILLEGAL who expects us to sit back and tolerate all the lawbreaking going on.
I have been saying it for years and years that tension is building regarding illegal lawbreakers and things are going to explode if this country does not get a handle on it.
Time and time again I hear illegals say that they are going to take this country over. We welcome all who get in line and obey the laws, follow the procedures to become a citizen and ASSIMILATE into this culture. We DO NOT welcome invaders, lawbreakers, and those who expect us to assimilate into their culture.
I have read some alarming e-mails lately where Hispanics encourage militancy. Are we expected to stand around and watch this happen?
WAKE UP AMERICA!
I
Posted by c on September 18, 2007 03:11 PMAs someone posted before on this issue, if you want to read of the real intentions of La Raza, do a google search on Aztlan.
Push one for revolution.
Posted by skeptical on September 18, 2007 04:40 PMWeld County's DA is holding an open forum tonight to talk about victims of illegal aliens and supporters of the illegals are trying to shut it down. This DA needs to be applauded, as he is trying to do something about the illegal invasion in Greeley. Too bad we don't have someone like him in Denver, but Senors Hick & Ritter support the illegals. I'm anxious to see if there's any news re: this forum tomorrow.
Posted by mi on September 18, 2007 06:00 PM> And regarding assimilation, there are millions of born and raised in America citizens...many with families that go back generations...many that have been here a hell of alot longer than your family or mine...who speak Spanish as a first language.
That is a load of horseshit.
Posted by on September 18, 2007 08:41 PMHey ANONYMOUS (chicken shit) 10:53 am
What about ILLEGAL don't you understand???
It's OK for Mexicans to pour over the borders illegally and break our laws without the blink of an eye? If we didn't have millions here illegally there would not be the threats that are being made by these lawbreakers about taking over the country and various other threats they seem to get a kick out of making.
Scapegoating illegals? Surely you must be kidding. Illegals have no one to blame but themselves for the resentment law-abiding Americans have for them. Stealing identity, jobs, raping the health care system, crowding our schools, crapping up our neighborhoods, committing crime after crime and you say we're scapegoating them?
None of them are law-abiding since the first law they broke was sneaking into this country ILLEGALLY. Quit defending them.
Posted by c on September 18, 2007 09:06 PMMary wrote: “businesses (and to a lesser extent individuals) who hire illegals, driving down the wage base, predominately for blue collar worker. Unless/until the US adopts the same hard-nosed tactics against illegal EMPLOYERS that the EU has adopted this will never stop. The EU has discovered it has an illegal immigration problem too - to the tune of 500,000 or more illegals per year. To put a stop to it, EU nations are charging meaningful fines & jail time to those employers - and I believe that the US needs to do the same. If the CEO of a major corporation faced jail time for hiring practices which are tacitly approved so that CEO can "earn" 200-300 times what the average worker earns, as well as the company facing fines which would lower profits SIGNIFICANTLY (costing the CEO his income) perhaps these business policies will change.”
I couldn’t agree more. It’s time for the US to hold the employers of illegals accountable. The first time the CEO of a major American corporation is marched into the local lockup for having hired illegal aliens, a message will be sent to other employers and this nonsense will stop.
c: I see Fresh never did get back and rise to the challenge of making his point without being a bit of a bugger in his attacks. I had nothing to say to Michelle, because, 1) I disagree with her and 2) she wasn't offensive - beyond saying that someone was ignorant.
She presented her case, and though I don't agree with her, I give her credit for at least attempting to do so without rancor and insult. Fresh, on the other hand, couldn't get his thought across without being rude.
I merely asked if he could attempt to speak about his position without insulting someone. It seems the answer was 'no', he can't. Or won't.
Thom, A few weeks ago Homeland Security had prepared thousands of letters to be sent to employers known to have high rates of illegals working for them.The letters gave 30-60 days to check and verify every employees SS# and documents. If they did not do this the companies were going to be fined heavily.
What happened to the letters.? What happened when our government tried to enforce the laws?
The ACLU went to a looney left wing judge in San Francisco and put a stop to the letters!
The question is what are we as citizens going to do to stop the ACLU from allowing towns,cities,states and even our federal government from enforcing our laws and making new laws to stop the illegals from draining more and more resources paid with our tax money?
The ACLU is filing lawsuits all over this country trying to stop our governments from enforcing our laws.
This organization needs to be sued for taking the rights away from American citizens.
What part of American does the American Civil Liberties Union not understand?
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on September 19, 2007 08:43 AMAmen, the aclu doesn't understand anything american, I think they should relocate their offices to either Venezuela or Iran.............
Posted by Heather on September 19, 2007 09:40 AMThis whole situation is just another piece of the puzzle to destroy the sovereignty of the USA. The politicians repeatedly promise to fix this massive problem. But after they publicly say they will fix it, they turn around and hamstring honest efforts, or hide legislative items that encourage and reward more illegal immigration within larger pieces of legislation; such as they are doing right now in the defense appropriations bill currently before Congress. Any way that the public can be deceived or left out of the information loop, in order to whittle away our rights as citizens and to benefit the New World Order will be used again and again.
It is all quite obvious, but most Americans are either too apathetic or lazy to do anything to save their own country.
www.numbersusa.com
Google "Amero" and see what the 3 glorious leaders are wanting to do. The illegals from south of the border will not be illegal if these 3 goons see it through. No Borders north or south. Neat
Posted by on September 19, 2007 11:02 AMJay..
You are so right.. We seriously need to put pressure on Washington..and make these calls. Time's flying and it will be too late.
I am totally against illegal aliens!!!!
I want them arrested and deported... It can be done!!!! Who says it can't La Raza??
Illegals are causing major problems all over our nation.
If the government won't do anything about it then the people have a right to stop it!!!
America cannot continue to hemorrhage it's tax base in the long term pursuit of cheap illegal labor without the economy bleeding to death!!!!
I am not a racist I am a realist!!!
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Posted by on September 19, 2007 07:38 PM
For the past few years we have watched as illegal mexicans march through our strets waving mexican flags and signs that read " this is our country". I continually get offended by their " you owe us attitude" and I would like to share this story with you about what happend to me in Tijuana Mexico.
I was born in San Diego, my father was career navy and I Spent many years after leaving home at 18 living in Tijuana Mexico and traveling to south america. I have many friends in Mexico that own businesses.
Keep in mind that I am as white as white gets, I am now 45, 6' about 250 pounds with blonde hair and blue eyes. I stick out when I travel to south american countries. This even happend in 2003
I have ridden my motorcycle from the U.S. all the way to Nicaragua several times without incendent.
One day In Tijuana I entered my friends restaurant and was greeted by my friend/owner of the place. I ate there maybe 4 days a week. There were several well dressed mexican businessmen having conversations and my friend approached me quietly to ask me a favor.
He asked me if I could run to the store for him and get serveral things on the list, he could not go himself since his help had not shown up for work. I accepted and went to pick up the produce for him.
when I returned with a bag of groceries, I noticed a policman had followed me in. I went straight to the kitchen and handed the bag and his change to Alejandro and then the cop arrested me for working in Mexico without a permit.(permits are non-existant). unless Your company has a contract with Mexico.
Alejandro called my lawyer for me and he met me at the courthouse. after hours of pleading with the judge I was sentenced to 30 days in jail. No Bail, NO Probation. For 30 days I sat without a shower, cold beans and crap bread. sitting with killers, rapeist and drug dealers for going to the store. At the End of 30 days I was escorted to the Border and told not to return.
Of course I returned. It is my home.
Now, before some of you know it all's that have never even been there say "they just wanted a mordito (bribe)" no, My Attorney tried to buy me out several times in that month.
I post this so the next time you think about that poor mexican that wants his rights here in our country....what about our rights there?
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Maine: Collins
Michigan: Stabenow
Minnesota: Coleman
Mississippi: Cochran
Missouri: Bond, McCaskill
Montana: Baucus, Tester
Nebraska: Nelson (Ben)
Nevada: Ensign
New Hampshire: Sununu
New Mexico: Bingaman, Domenici
North Carolina: Dole
North Dakota: Dorgan
Ohio: Brown, Voinovich
Oklahoma: Coburn
Oregon: Smith
South Carolina: DeMint
South Dakota: *Johnson, Thune
Texas: Cornyn, Hutchison
Utah: Hatch
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Warner, Webb
West Virginia: Byrd, Rockefeller
Wyoming: Enzi, Barrasso
* Did not vote in June
During consideration of the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 1585) this week, open-borders senators may attempt to attach three proposals that, when taken together, would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and dramatically increase the importation of foreign workers at a time 10 million Americans are looking for jobs and can't find employment. The floor vote on the amendment containing the DREAM Act amnesty (SA 2237) may occur as early as Wednesday, September 19.
PRO-AMNESTY IN JUNE AND STILL PRO-AMNESTY
The senators noted below supported amnesty in June and show every sign of voting for amnesty again this week. They have been blasted all summer for their anti-American worker, pro-lawlessness stance. Perhaps your phone calls today can help them decide against voting for amnesty again.
Arizona: McCain
Arkansas: Lincoln
California: Boxer, Feinstein
Colorado: Salazar
Connecticut: Dodd, Lieberman
Delaware: Biden, Carper
Florida: Martinez, Nelson (Bill)
Hawaii: Akaka, Inouye
Idaho: Craig
Illinois: Durbin, Obama
Indiana: Lugar
Maine: Snowe
Maryland: Cardin, Mikulski
Massachusetts: Kennedy, Kerry
Michigan: Levin
Minnesota: Klobuchar
Mississippi: Lott
Nebraska: Hagel
Nevada: Reid
New Hampshire: Gregg
New Jersey: Lautenberg, Menendez
New York: Clinton, Schumer
North Dakota: Conrad
Oregon: Wyden
Pennsylvania: Casey, Specter
Rhode Island: Reed, Whitehouse
South Carolina: Graham
Utah: Bennett
Vermont: Leahy
Washington: Cantwell, Murray
Wisconsin: Feingold, Kohl
It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.
An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.
The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.
Posted by on September 19, 2007 07:56 PM7:42...
Looks like you got set -up ..my friend. I feel for you..they were your ' friends ', and it was your home. BUT....really ...Americas is your home. Mexico is their home. Blood is thicker then water. Always.. They are for their own and their agendas. I know what you mean..
we took a van full of bibles into Juarez in our van. Some people hanging out of the border told us that we were lucky.. to come out ..with the van..that they can say you've go drugs in it. (an excuse) and confiscate it. Just like that.
So...see all the crooked stuff they do to Americans..and they come in 'illegally'
and demand government benefits , pay for their anchor babies, kill our policemen and citizens, etc, etc,etc, it never ends. Then to come out by the thousands and demand
rights................when they DON'T BELONG
HERE! My family wanted to move to another country to get away from this invasion.
I said no..we'll be discriminated in another country..being we're Americans. (generational spanish-Americans) Why should we be pushed out of our own country?
There are no rights for us in Mexico..they
would'nt even cater to us..WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE. Hablamos Engles.
Welcome to your real home 7:42!!
A..
I'm with you ..Agree with everything you said.
Tell La Raza....No se PUEDE!
Where's Action Jackson we need some Action here.:)
Posted by fed up on September 19, 2007 09:30 PMHeather:
I would venture a guess that you aren't veryl informed about all the things the ACLU has done for you. You might want to google this: how the aclu has helped american women. Read and learn. Women all over this country have been assisted by this organization.
Kisses!!!
Deportation! Si se puede!
Posted by Bumpskier on September 20, 2007 09:47 AMGood one Bumpskier..better than mine.
Deportation SI SE PUEDE.
ACLU= American Criminal Liberties Union!!
ACLU= American Communist Lawyers Union!!
Quote from Roger Baldwin ACLUs Founder:
"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately for abolishing the state its self....I seek Social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and the sole control of those who produce wealth.
Communism is the goal!!"
And the ACLU hasn't strayed far from it's founders agenda!!
Posted by A on September 20, 2007 07:21 PMNew car insurance for illegals.
' Sanctuary Farm'
Jump out and run!
If we have to put up with illegals and pay all costs for doing so, shouldn't we annex Mexico and at least hold all their assets? We are taking care of most of them at our expense, it makes sense to me. We can manage the gov. better than they can. It would be a win win for everyone.
Posted by nolongeragracioushost on September 21, 2007 07:30 AM