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Impeach Bush & Cheney
The Bush administration continues to pursue in Iraq, not a failed strategy or a misguided plan, but a war of false purposes, of corporate hegemony in the Middle East. Leaving has never figured into the Neocon campaign, because their ultimate goal has nothing to do with defeating anyone or reaching a logical end point.
Therefore, it is up to the Congress to do their Constitutional duty in this matter. They must impeach Bush and Cheney, of course, and while that is progressing they must also refuse to fund anything that does not constitute an orderly and deliberate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. Left to their own devices, Bush and Company will never end this occupation. The Congress must act for the people and end it for them.
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We will never leave Iraq,
It will never happen, you know here the Dems talking about how they wouldn't pull the troops either. We are there to secure the oil, that is it, no matter what the cost to the US treasuey we will never leave Iraq. Our embassy and bases are not fully complete yet so we cannot begin to withdraw some of our troops. As soon as these are fully constructed we will begin to withdraw slowly. We will get down to a certain level of troops but we will always be in Iraq... The politicians enjoy our infighting and blaming because it prevents us from really understanding the mission. We are in trouble with out 2 party system because it no longer really exists...
Posted by Karl Cheney on October 2, 2007 02:19 PMBad things happen when you let a guy steal a couple elections. They should have been impeached in the first term.
Posted by Rufus on October 2, 2007 02:20 PMNot enough time to impeach them. However, we could have them drawn and quartered.
Posted by just sayin' on October 2, 2007 02:22 PMGo see Aaron Russo's classic film 'America; Freedom to Fascism' now playing at the Regency Tamarac Square. It will put a lot of current events into a very sharp focus. It shows how so much of our current events are tied together for a common purpose.
That common purpose is probably not one that any normal American citizen will appreciate.
How about instead of insane and impractical (and without any evidence to support) rantings of the impeachment of those whose time is numbered as is (Constitutionally of course), we take it upon ourselves to vote out the incompetent legislators who continue to corrupt our system of government by becoming career politicians? CONGRESS has the only authority to declare war, or authorize the use of US combat troops, which they did (obviously without ANY due diligence). It is CONGRESS we must hold accountable, and it is CONGRESS persons we must vote out to have that accountability.
Posted by Dan2 on October 2, 2007 02:35 PMvillage idiots,you have a new member,dumb-ass,un-educated,un-informed nicholas.
Posted by Keith on October 2, 2007 03:13 PMthis is such an original thought, to impeach Bush. even the far left extremist socialist liberals in DC know they can not do it as there is nothing other than the dumnuts fellings to file charges on.
as for stealing elections ever wonder why the dums hate the idea of having to show a valid picture ID to vote? they like all of the past dead voters to express themselves also.
As everyone should know, there is not time or votes to impeach anyone. I do regret that so many were duped into believing that Iraq had WMD's. This was a blantant lie as any one in the government should have known. I saw a documentary, once, that showed a reconnaissance photo taken from at least 12 miles above Earth that showed a pack of Marlboros sitting on a table. And that was almost 30 years ago. Imagine what the technology is today. Anyone who was buffaloed into believing that Sadam had WMD's or sneaked them out, is an incompetent fool.
Posted by Stan B on October 2, 2007 04:06 PMStan B,
I am going to disagree with you, but only on your comment that we were "duped" regarding WMD's. We knew for a FACT Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. He used them on the Kurds. We know for a FACT that the UN Weapons Inspectors never found any evidence of Iraq disposing or destroying those WMD's. We also know for a FACT that Saddam posed a threat to the security of the United States, and it's interests.
I don't know about being duped (although I do believe that the average American is an idiot), but our "leaders" absolutely did not do their due diligence in this matter. Although, if there is a "side" to error on, I personally would prefer to err the way we did and prove that there are no WMD's that could impact the US in Iraq, than to be wrong and have something tragic happen that could have been preventable (can anyone say 9/11?).
Posted by Dan2 on October 2, 2007 04:19 PMPANIC AND FEAR IN THE DNC...
The Surrendercrats want Bush to surrender, but he's going to leave that horrific defeat & failure legacy to Hillary . The war will keep her 100% occupied for the duration--just like Bill was pre-occupied by Monica! The troops won't be coming back for another 75 years!
Posted by on October 2, 2007 05:00 PMStan,
You are correct. However, Mr. Blix did report that they could find no "evidence" of Iraq's weapons, not that Iraq destroyed the weapons they had. A pretty substantial difference, wouldn't you concur?
Posted by Dan2 on October 2, 2007 05:05 PMWow, you dumbocrates voted for action in Iraq. Yes, Kerry, Clinton, Murtha, etc. voted for this action. Yet, now that you dumbocrates control the house and the senate what do you do? Not a damn thing because your DUMBOCRATES. You dumb asses have no idea what you want or what to do. Yet your head dumbocrate H. Clinton wants to raise taxes and completely screw up our health care worse than what Canada is going threw. And oh yeah, then you bonehead thow your money to Gore because he tells you the sky is falling. He's laughing all the way to the bank at you idiots.
Posted by FU on October 2, 2007 05:50 PMFU, learn how to spell.
Posted by Posted by on October 2, 2007 06:00 PMTypical liberal response. Criticize spelling because everything else was true. And yes, you dumbocrates had the same information President Bush had on the WMDs. I’ll never understand how you can completely ignore that Hussan used WMDs on his on people which is well documented. Not to mention the caravan of trucks filmed going from Iraq into Syria before we started our military action. What do you think they were trucking over, carbon offsets?
Posted by FU on October 2, 2007 06:19 PMHEY KOOLAID!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by on October 2, 2007 06:29 PMFU? Dick Cheney is laughing all the way to the bank. i.e. Halliburton!
Some people are stupid.
Posted by Rick on October 2, 2007 09:32 PMFU? Dick Cheney is laughing all the way to the bank. i.e. Halliburton!
Some people are stupid.
Posted by Rick on October 2, 2007 09:33 PMJust because Nuclear weapons were not found in IRAQ, does not mean they are or were not there. War only lasted 21 days, and Saddam was in spider hole, both sons dead, 25th Republican Guard demolished, and took hike across border to other countries. How long did it take to find the mass graves, even with Iraqi citizens having an idea? How long until the MIGs were found buried at airport. Saddam was moving equipment before Blix (inspectors) got out of bed. Saddam had their rooms bugged, and all contacts was his secret police contacts. I would not trust those inspectors to find WMD in a phone booth, and only Democrats, Liberals, Progressives don't believe that. For example: If you drop a quarter and can't find it, does that mean it did not exist? I suspect some of you need medication because you have been harping the same tune on every post, and you keep expecting a different conclusion or action. That is first sign of insanity. And it is strange that Bush could steal votes in the most Democratic counties in Florida, with Democratic control. I do not belong to either party, but I lost 2 friends when plane crashed through wall of Pentagon. My youngest son worked in WTC the year before (2000). I lost friends during the years when military died and maimed by bombs in cafes, embassies, and know a man in Aurora who was Kobar Towers. He spent 9 months in Walter Reed learning to walk and take care of himself again. I served 26 years and no one tells a General what to say. They may suggest, but honorable people will resign, then retire before that. I have no respect for the 8 who criticized our policy, our mission, and our Commander in Chief. Their oath was to defend the Constitution and protect US citizens. What oath did any of you take, and if so, have you lived up to it? Our problem is old, white-haired Senators who think they are President, and if not that, then great prosecutors. We need term limits to clear out the power-mad good old boys.
Posted by Frank25f on October 2, 2007 10:48 PMCongrats Nick, you are now the new "village idiot!"
Posted by rmpicksisme on October 3, 2007 05:18 AMhow long can you dumonuts keep kicking a dead horse?
why not try to come up with a new thought that will do something productive? oh wait you're dumonuts and dont have any new thoughts ever
You people are still more worried about blame and fault!!!! what we need to do now is move on!... We are where we are. In a very sticky and possibley dangerous situation! Whether the was stupidity, error, bad judgement, things changed, or even blatant lies. personal problems as well as global problems should be handled in a way that uses solutions not blame. Why omething happened is important to help prevent something from happening again. But that doesn't matter until the problem is fixed, which usually requires extraordinary effort.
Do we sit and gloat because we were right? Or do we get together to fix the problem. The democrats, in all likely hood, will have that chance. We shall see what they do with it.
The same with Global warming. Morons want to punish the "haves" because they believe they caused it. A good economy ( in the U.S. because compared to the rest of the world we actually do care about other countries, while the other countries always put themselves first)
A good economy is the only thing that will be able to mitigate the effects of climate change, no matter what the cause. Slowing down the economy of the U.S. does nothing but slow down the mitigation process. It will take money to adapt to new climates. There is NO stopping climate change the only way to adapt is to use the resources and technology available now.
There will be people and even nations that are hurt while, I believe, others will be better off. Buit only the prosperous people and nations will continue to thrive. It is the same with War.
Effort and treasure should be spent on how to move ahead to a better future not blaming for the past. The Earth ( for that matter the universe ) WILL change and continue to change. As will all the politics boundaries, technologies, etc forever. Those that can adapt ( any species) will survive.
AF
And in the meantime, the libdems will continue to fund this "illegal and immoral war that is based on lies."
The libdems say one thing yet they do just the opposite. You need to generate some testerone and grow some nads if you want to be taken seriously.
Posted by on October 3, 2007 08:17 AMWow all this talk of impeachment, what charges? Can't be the war because the President can not declare war, only the Congress can do that and they did. You guys need to take a lesson on Civics and Government and watch the news once in a while so you know what's going on.
End the war? It's a Democrat controlled congress, railing at the President won't help. The Dems could end it if they wanted but they don't, ever wonder why?
For all you oil conspiracist. "Fungible", look it up, take an economics class.
As for stolen or bought elections, you better hope beyond hope that is not true because if it is no ones opinion means anything, the super rich rule and there is not a thing you can do about it.
As for WMD, at the time of the Congressional authorization of the war the united nations had posted on their website 3000 pages of unaccounted for weapons (go check it out for yourself don't be led by anyone else). What happened to them?
Come on people the information is out there and easy to find in this day and age. Anyone can know the truth if they only chose to educate themselves. If not you will be led like sheep to the slaughter
Posted by VB on October 3, 2007 08:35 AMF.U.: You sound like you are taking time off from middle-school to write. Don't forget to go to your spelling class, though! School yard type insults have gotten to the point that they are laughable, and certainly not taken seriously. Never have read you write a positive or knowledgeable response to any other blogs. OH, and DAN2, if, like you believe, the average American is an idiot, than it's nice to know that you are above average...which should about double your idiotic powers! Which means that you'll believe G.W. Bush, AND follow him to hell if he tells you to.
Posted by roland on October 3, 2007 09:10 AMRoland,
"Never have read you write" "than it's nice to know"
Poor very poor. Not only do you need "spelling class" but some grammar training would be in order.
However, your post has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Net effect, Zero!
Posted by VB on October 3, 2007 09:18 AMStop with the Democrat/Republican thing already. Why not just try to concentrate on an American thing? Our country is being invaded by illegal aliens, we are being taxed to death and freedom of speech is ok only as long as a liberal says it and they are wanting to tax us more and the government wants control of our lives cradle to grave and the right to say whether we get medical care or not and our jobs are being handed out over seas and now they are ignoring the peeople and building a super highway from Mexico to Oklahoma and the Democrat party is being run by a millionaire that just is out for power and all we do is sit and call each other names. Wow! what a country! It won't be here if we don't wake up.
Posted by on October 3, 2007 09:26 AMI'd love to see them impeached, but it's probably not going to happen - unfortunately. The only positive thing is that there's only about a year left of our long, national nightmare.
Posted by drew on October 3, 2007 09:46 AMI have become desensitized to the F word sparingly used in this forum. Thanks to the blog owner for permitting its use. It is only a word and euphemisms are not needed.
Deicide Corner: “Christianity is such a silly religion.” -- Gore Vidal
Posted by Richard Grimes, deicide: Free cassette of blasphemous songs: Me on piano on October 3, 2007 09:53 AMAll you folks who think Bush and Cheney should be impeached, where is your evidence? Do you know something Congress doesn't know? If Congress had any evidence of any impeachable offences, they'd be impeached by now.
Sorry children, but simply disliking and disagreeing with the current administration is not grounds for impeachment.
Posted by Wez on October 3, 2007 10:29 AM"I'd love to see them impeached, but it's probably not going to happen - unfortunately. The only positive thing is that there's only about a year left of our long, national nightmare."
Tell me about it, two hundred years is a long time. Don't know that this election will change anything though, not many politicians have understood that America's greatness stems from its foundation on the idea that the individual should be placed before society, not the other way around. Always cracks me up when people try and imply that the Bush administration is "right-wing" politically, in fact I'm laughing right now.
Posted by An individual on October 3, 2007 10:49 AMKeith has taken Monicas place below the desk of the president. That is why he can't see the truth. Not the democratic view of the truth, or the republican view of the truth. He is steadfast in his 'on his knees' support of Bush though.
Posted by on October 3, 2007 11:28 AMYep, Keith loves chimp meat.
Posted by on October 3, 2007 11:34 AMWez, why worry about evidence? If the Repukes can attempt to impeach a president for getting a BJ ( and who doesnt like getting one? heck even Keith likes giving them) then why not bring charges against Bush and Cheney who have actually doen harm to the country.
Posted by on October 3, 2007 12:32 PMSo all you armchair liberal politicians want Bush and Cheney Impeached.
Why is it the members of the Democratic party in the house and senate have not started the impeachment proceedings?
You rabid liberals are grasping at straws and will say and do anything whether it is true or not and see how many other Americans will believe your irrantional rants and jump on board your sore loser bandwagon.
Neither Bush or Cheney have perjured themselves as Bill Clinton did and that's what he was being impeached for. Not for his sexual misconduct in the Oval Office.
If the dummy had fessed up and wasn't so prone to
being a pathological liar it would have all gone away.
So you liberals and Democrats that try to rationalize one thing to mean the same as another remind me of immature children
Posted by Apples To Oranges on October 3, 2007 01:03 PMApples To Oranges and what was the question that the Repukes wanted answered? Whether he had sex with monica, which is no ones damn busines but his Monica and Hilary's....and not as harmful to this country as Bush's lies about WMDs.
Posted by Fruit Salad on October 3, 2007 01:08 PMSo let me see if I have this correct.
It's ok to lie to the American people and the rest of the world to start a war with a guy who your family had a grudge against.
But it's not ok to lie to the American people and the rest of the world about something that only impacts the marriage of two people.
Posted by Larry on October 3, 2007 01:09 PMFruit salad & Larry
When are you two dsylectic liberals going to comprehend what you read. Either that or toss that pacifier away and stop having the left change your diapers for you.
You two are a prime examples of the liberals inability to accept the facts and the truth.
Can someone please provide the evidence showing Bush or Cheney lied? A link perhaps to a reputable source?
Because if you're going to impeach someone you need to have more to go on than simply what moveon tells you.
Posted by KW on October 3, 2007 02:13 PMAs soon as you provide some sort of factual information, then I will look into it. I really don't know why impeachment proceedings have not been started, they've got a long list to go off of.
Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.
Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.
Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.
Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.
Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.
Take your pick, I've got plenty more if you so want them.
Let's see, provide the evidence showing bush and or cheney lied. Well first off you might want to check google video, they have the actual video of them lying. If you can't get that to run I'm sure you could find it on youtube. But just to see, what would a reputable source be? (please say fox)
Posted by Larry on October 3, 2007 02:57 PMThis sexual misconduct between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky would not be tolerated at any workplace and especially in a goverment building and both would have been fired.
So what makes the left think that it should be acceptable in the White House of all places. It only shows the immoral mind set of liberals.
Larry & Fruit salad call and plead your silly WMD's and sex in the Oval Office arguments to your Democratic leaders as to why they have not impeached Bush and Cheney.
They'll probabaly tell you to take a hike and keep your nose out of their business.
Just make sure you vote for us you incompetent lackeys!
Larry - I understand you have a long list of accusations and I'm sure you believe Bush, Cheney, etc... to be guilty of all you alledge.
But the list you provided is unsubstantiated. They are talking points from the far left and are of no merit.
Again, if you have any credible links to support your allegations we can review and discuss them.
Posted by KW on October 3, 2007 03:10 PMLarry
You can give all that questionable information to your leaders in Washington also since they seem to be ignorant of it and have not acted on it to start the impeachment proceedings.
You'll surley be the "Golden Haired Boy" of the left. You can start writing your book. How I single Handed, had Bush & Cheney Impeached!
Posted by Apples To Oranges on October 3, 2007 03:14 PMThat's what makes this so funny. You think the sexual misconduct between two consenting adults is more of a threat to national security than a clown who wants to show the world how big his muscles are with muscles that aren't his. But the fact that you bring up that the kind of behavior would not be tolerated in any workplace, while somehow showing contempt for your boss and not doing what you were put there to do is ok, is what makes this all so hilarious. Add to that your idea that Clinton was the first president to ever get a hummer while in the oval office shows that can't be much older than 12.
Posted by Larry on October 3, 2007 03:14 PMLarry
You can give all that questionable information to your leaders in Washington also since they seem to be ignorant of it and have not acted on it to start the impeachment proceedings.
You'll surley be the "Golden Haired Boy" of the left. You can start writing your book. How I single Handed, had Bush & Cheney Impeached!
Posted by Apples To Oranges on October 3, 2007 03:15 PMOh they're just simply talking points? Really? I could've sworn that the last time I looked up "breaking the law", this sort of thing was in there. So does that mean I can say "Clinton having oral sex is just a talking point from the right"? When I bring up actual laws that have been broken, some even put into place by this freak, they are just talking points, but when you bring up some guy that cheated on his wife 8 years ago, that is credible information right?
I took the information from the links and put it right here. Why would that stop you from debating it anyway?
Posted by Larry on October 3, 2007 03:25 PMLarry
Don't waste your immoral logic on me.
Like I keep telling you, contact your Reps. and senators. What a hard headed redundant liberal you really are.
Give it a rest already. I finished explaining the simplest of things to you.
Do you believe this guy? Give me strength!!!
Posted by Apples To Oranges on October 3, 2007 03:36 PMLarry - My saying "you robbed the King Sooper" doesn't make you guilty of the crime. You may even shop there. But unless there is some proof of my allegation then no charges will be brought even though robbing the store is considered "breaking the law."
Kucinich was drafting up impeachment charges. Whatever happened with that?
Posted by KW on October 3, 2007 03:54 PMApples To Oranges,
A valiant attempt, but people like Larry can't be reasoned with. Facts and accuracy are irrelevant to him. He wants it to be true, so in his mind it is true. You're not going to convince him otherwise.
Posted by Wez on October 3, 2007 05:48 PMSo what I'm hearing is that you can't even keep track of the laws this guy has broken, and so you look the other way, saying that no, in fact, these things never happened. Is that right?
Posted by Larry on October 4, 2007 06:41 AMLarry, whatever laws you think Bush has broken, Congress apparently disagrees with you.
The Dem controlled congress hates him with a passion, and if they could nail him with anything, anything at all, they would have done so by now. If they caught him jaywalking they'd immediately start impeachment proceedings. That should say loud and clear there is no conclusive evidence of any impeachable offences.
I don't know how it is in your fantasy world, but in the real world, theories, speculation, wanting it to be true, and things you see on the internet are not conclusive evidence.
Posted by Wez on October 4, 2007 09:19 AMI applaud the sentiment expressed herein and on every entry concerning Keith. He has been so firmly trounced, if he had any decency he would ban himself. Never has such a repugnant conservative been so repugnant. His cursing of those who enter an innocuous post, their opinion, is deplorable. Keith is persona non grata.
Posted by JVB on October 4, 2007 09:58 AMI guess that's my bad, apparently breaking the law is no longer a crime. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess in your "real world" evidence, support, and documentation no longer classify as evidence.
Posted by Larry on October 4, 2007 10:05 AMLarry, what evidence, support, and documentation do you have that Congress doesn't have? How is it you know more than Congress?
Posted by Wez on October 4, 2007 11:09 AMWez - I'm on day 2 of asking Larry those same questions. Let me know if he ever comes up with a valid answer.
Posted by KW on October 4, 2007 11:31 AMOoo nice try Kw, but you haven't asked me a single thing.
My evidence, support, and documentation comes from his very mouth. He has himself asserted that the president may imprison foreign nationals and American citizens without judicial process and may hold such persons incommunicado. I'm not sure how much more concrete you can get than that.
Now unless you're saying that it's not against the law simply he says it's not, please let me know.
Posted by Larry on October 4, 2007 11:50 AMDon't know what to tell you Larry. As I said before, if Bush had actually done anything illegal, Congress would have nailed him by now. So, either hundreds of members of congress are mistaken about what's illegal, or you are.
I think you're spending too much time listening to the armchair experts from MoveOn, DU, or wherever it is you're getting your misinformation.
Posted by Wez on October 4, 2007 12:33 PMI am not making the assertion that congress is not a bunch of lazy, do nothing, look the other way yes men. The things I listed are the facts and nothing but. What congress decides to do about those things is beyond my control. Strange how my "misinformation" is coming your party. Mind you, not the party you suckle at, my information comes from the actual republican party, who can look beyond the fact that he is republican and can look at the things he's done in the name of the party.
But I can see that this converstaion is wasted on people who cannot see past what companies give them the most favor.
Posted by Larry on October 4, 2007 12:43 PMSaying Bush should be impeached and proving he should be are two different animals. It isn't going to happen anyway, because the Dems don't have enough time or votes to start impeachment proceedings, much less prove their assertions.
Posted by Stan B on October 4, 2007 12:45 PMI have watched this subject being discussed for several months now and it has been all talk and no action! How about all of the people so convinced that impeachment is warranted go talk to the people who can actually impeach the president? Your representatives in congress! Remember them? We elect them every two years!
Or you can continue to be irrelevent and just talk about it forever between yourselves!
Posted by American Spectator on October 4, 2007 01:00 PMWell Larry, you better send Congress all the facts you've accumulated so they can start those impeachment proceedings. You seem to know a lot more than they do.
Be sure to let us know how that goes.
Posted by Wez on October 4, 2007 01:11 PMI've sent the entire list 4 times already. Shows you how much republicans care about the American people.
Posted by Larry on October 4, 2007 01:31 PMLarry:
"Ooo nice try Kw, but you haven't asked me a single thing.
Lets see... How about my questions yesterday at 3:10 & again at 3:54?
For a person how claims to have all the "facts" about Bush you sure don't have a very good memory. Is that why you never provide a link to back up these bogus claims?
Posted by KW on October 4, 2007 03:42 PMLarry,
I thought the Democrats have the majority of seats in the House and Senate. I guess they dont care either!
Posted by American Spectator on October 5, 2007 06:43 AMYeah, sorry I didn't see a question at 3:10, or have you changed the act of asking question to saying something? Why isn't Kunicich bringing the charges? I have no idea. So is that why I should vote republican? Because the other guys don't live up to their promises? I can see that means so much to the republican party.
You really want to know why I don't give links? ...Wait... I'm getting a message from the future.... hhhmmm, you will call the source, which ever one I choose, as a liberal talking point extremist source who wants America to lose the war on terrorism. Alright!!! Nailed it!! The reason I don't provide links is because unless it came from fox, you won't have anything to do with it, because all other media outlets have a liberal bias don't they? I mean, that's what you've been telling everybody for over a year now. Every other source, cnn, nbc, msn, ny times, washington post, la times, the list goes on and on. And the only source that is balanced is fox. Or did that change suddenly too?
Again, I never said the democrats do either. You have this idea still trapped in your head about how you're either with us or against us. You're either dead or perfectly healthy. You're either a lawyer or a gas station attendant. This is basically the republican party's whole mantra. Instead of admitting that something was a mistake, you want to make everybody look the other way and focus on something else.
I'm still waiting on an answer as to how anybody but the Iraqi's can win the conflict in their country right now. America must win!! America must win!! But what you fail to mention is win what? It's not our country, it's not our oil, it's not our people. But people like you are used to going to war with an idea, attack the noun!! Kill the noun!!!
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 07:31 AMLarry, I don't know if you really can't see how irrational your arguments are, or if you're being intentionally irrational just to jerk people's chains. Either way, you're a lost cause.
I don't know how to explain this any simpler. You can post all the links you want. You can post 10 pages of offenses you think Bush is guilty of. The point is, if ANY of those accusations had any merit whatsoever, Congress would have jumped all over them and started the impeachment process.
In other words, all the offenses you're claiming he's guilty of, are in reality unfounded.
Simple fact is, the only reason you see them as unfounded is because you choose to ignore them. The things I listed are actual laws that were broken by him, they are not talking points, they are not political cannon fire, it's simply what has happened.
You slam congress because they waste time, waste money, but yet you claim they are compitent because they don't bring impeachment proceedings.
To prove my point to you, let's just say that there were impeachment charges that were brought forth and it was all legal and legit. I already know that you would turn around and discredit it for being liberal talking points. I know that you are going to come back and say "no I wouldn't", but it's already too late, you've already made your colors known.
I am a lost cause? for what purpose? And what is it that causes merit in your mind? I'm just curious. What would it take for you not be a bush supporter? I know you don't have an answer because there is absolutely nothing that can happen that would "merit" you having to admit that anything this guy has done was a mistake. Now if you were to ask me what would it take to turn my view around on this administration? 1. Admit that WMD's were not the real reason for invading Iraq. Admit that he simply wanted to go after Iraq because the president of that country tried to kill his poppa. 2. Admit that the constitution is not the document he is protecting. 3. Declare his real intentions of turning the middle east into his own checking account.
I could go on, but those things would be the starting point of gaining any respect that he has lost from the rest of the country.
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 09:21 AMLarry:
"...you will call the source, which ever one I choose, as a liberal talking point extremist source who wants America to lose the war on terrorism"
Not if you use credible sources Larry. Try staying away from anything connected to Soros and you'll probably be ok.
Posted by KW on October 5, 2007 09:47 AMWhich is?
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 09:55 AMLarry, we're just going around in circles here.
It doesn't matter what I think of the accusations against Bush, whether they're founded or unfounded. It doesn't matter what you think. Congress ultimately makes the big decision. And the decision they're making is that the accusations are unfounded.
As I said before, if there was any truth to any of these charges of illegal actions, Congress would be all over it.
Just like they've all over everything else then?
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 10:33 AMJust like they've been all over everything else then?
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 10:33 AMI wish they would go hunting together. Or... barring that... I wish a good marksman luck.
Posted by Sheila on October 5, 2007 11:43 AMLets see, we have Larry who claims he isn't sure of the difference between credible and bised websites and then Sheila who wishes someone would shoot Bush or Cheney (or both).
And you guys think Bush is the reason behind all the problems we face in this country?
Do you see anything wrong with your viewpoints by chance?
Posted by KW on October 5, 2007 01:02 PMNo, I'm simply waiting for you to provide me with what you would call a "credible "source. Since every single news outlet in the world has a liberal bias according to most bush supporters. hhhmmm, that leaves fox? Please tell me where you get your "credible" information.
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 01:11 PMLarry - I would accept CNN, WaPo or any number of MSM sources. Do remember, we don't want a link to an opinion columnist who is making the same claims you are. We need a news article or other testimony outlining EXACTLY the crimes committed including date and place. Any video evidence would be great to. Also you may want to include the explicit statute number and wording that was violated.
Now if you start posting mediamatters accusations then this discussion is thru.
Posted by KW on October 5, 2007 01:51 PMLet me guess, KW, you were in favor of hanging Saddam, correct? But, you are better than me because I want an evil American gone? pashaw.
Posted by Sheila on October 5, 2007 02:05 PMSheila - You guessed wrong. I'm not in favor of the death penalty. I think it reduces our judicial system to the level of the criminals.
And the "evil American" (surprised you used a cap A) is only your opinion and nothing more. So yes, wanting someone shot just because you don't like them is rather barbaric.
Posted by KW on October 5, 2007 02:21 PMWell I'm sure you'd be able to find a video somewhere on there about what bush thinks of executive priveledge regarding wiretapping, holding Americans and foreigners without charges, and something or two about those dreaded WMD's were all warned about. Everything you'd be able to find would be from his own mouth so you wouldn't have to worry about somebody's opinion getting in the way.
Posted by Larry on October 5, 2007 03:08 PMOk Larry, we'll just mark your response down as "I know in my gut I'm right and don't need to back up any wild accusations I learn from moveon."
Thanks for playing.
Posted by KW on October 5, 2007 04:13 PMI don't anyone shot just because I don't like them. But, I am in full support of terminating those people who will, someday, be found guilty of crimes against humanity.
Posted by Sheila on October 5, 2007 04:24 PMsheila,New member of the village idiots.
Posted by Keith on October 6, 2007 01:15 PM