September 19, 2007 8:22 AM
Illegal immigrants and crime: Greeley meeting goes SRO
Greeley needs more resources to deport dangerous criminals who are in the country illegally and an Immigration and Customs Enforcement office would be a good place to start.
That's the message more than 600 local residents heard during a meeting last night that featured a slide show detailing crimes committed by illegal immigrants, reports Fernando Quintero.
The meeting, titled "Illegal Immigration: The Untold Stories" and organized by Weld County District Attorney Ken Buck, had drawn criticism from Hispanic leaders as being one-sided because it highlighted crimes committed only by Hispanics. But only one protester stood outside the 4-H building where the event took place.The slides listed the crimes committed by Hispanic men, whose pictures appeared in the upper left hand corner of the screen - all of them with prior convictions to illustrate the point that they had fallen through the law enforcement net.
Although the meeting highlighted crimes committed only by illegal immigrants, Buck said twice "the vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country do not commit crimes other than coming into this country illegally."
Detective Mike Prill, of the Greeley Police Department, was scheduled to detail crimes committed by gang members who entered the country illegally and discuss the effect that illegal immigration has on the gangs in Greeley. But he noted that of the 513 known gang members in Weld County, none is an illegal immigrant.
September 19, 2007
9:10 AM
Jeff Schanhals writes:
My son goes to School at Aims CC and UNC in Greeley. We are empowering illegal aliens every day we do nothing about it. My son has been threatened on his bike, forced off the road, and is afraid to just ride to school from Aims to UNC. I'll be glad when his tour of duty is done at Greeley. We call it the knife and gun club. Nobody goes north and east of 10th street and 23rd ave. especially at night.
September 19, 2007
9:17 AM
sac621 writes:
Hey,
I hit a link to vote if Greeley should have an ICE office . I got a poll about the Rockies
what the..... not very professional unless your
BS'ing us
September 19, 2007
9:25 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
We must demand that our government knock off the wide array of incentives for illegal immigration. That's a start. Secure the border as federally mandated with fencing like they have in San Diego at strategic spots and then implement comprehensive immigration law enforcement as promised per the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, aka amnesty of 1986. The solutions are simple. Yet some would have us believe they are not. This illegal alien situation needs to be nipped in the bud now before we have violence in our streets later.
September 19, 2007
9:38 AM
Not a Jeff writes:
Jeff I walk down the streets of that area all the time with my small children even at night. I think your son must just be terrified by Hispanics. The area is not tough except in the low income assisted housing area around Island Grove and that is common everywhere. By the way I am as white as you get except the prejudice part. The bad part about illegal aliens in Greeley is more problems with uninsured drivers, too many people living in rental properties, and downward pressure on wages. Greeley is a lot safer than most of Denver, Commerce City, Brighton, Arvada, Thornton, Westminster, etc… you should check the crime rates before your son convinces you it is so dangerous.
September 19, 2007
9:53 AM
Anonymous writes:
As long as you are not decked in red or turquoise blue and talking smack you will not attract the attention of Greeley gangs.
September 19, 2007
10:08 AM
Mark Wolf writes:
Sac621,
The link is to this blog, not to the poll, which is a separate item. Sound off here. Maybe we'll put up a poll later.
September 19, 2007
10:08 AM
Lainie writes:
What about anchor babies of illegal aliens being in the gangs? Was that taken into consideration? And then Buck says "vast majority" of illegals' only crime being they came here illegally. What is the number of the vast majority? Do any of us know exactly just how many are here?
September 19, 2007
10:17 AM
truthy writes:
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September 19, 2007
10:21 AM
shaggy writes:
Ben,
I agree with you and so do the vast majority of Americans but what the hell can we do when our Government refuses to oblige to our wishes and enforce the current immigration laws and we have City Governments refusing to do anything about illegal immigration and actually cater to them and let them get away with shit that you or I would be thrown in the slammer for.
We have Democrats that want to give them amnesty so they will be the savors in the eyes of the Illegals which in turn all Hispanics thus getting their votes.
It is not a broken system like most Democrats will tell you, it is a broken Government that refuses to enforce our excisting laws.
September 19, 2007
10:36 AM
Ben writes:
Shaggy.
I agree. The only thing broken about the immigration system is the enforcement of immigraton law.
As for what to do, hopefully more meetings such as the good DA in Weld county has called for, will occur. At national levels, it will probably take mobilization or boycotts, of which me and my family are already unofficially making happen in our household. Example, I will be buying a 1/4 beef from a local rancher, bypassing packing plants and that chain. Good luck!
September 19, 2007
10:50 AM
Annie writes:
Greeley, Aurora, and Commerce city should all have an ICE squad. Those cities are were the most illegals live, Where the most abandoned or foreclosed homes are! Where the most graffiti is on public and private buildings!
September 19, 2007
11:01 AM
487 days to go writes:
Shaggy,
Our government is broken and does refuse to enforce the existing laws. I agree with you there and I do not feel this is a partisan issue. Bush needs to start pushing funding existing laws and he also needs an Attorney General that knows how to enforce the law too. The top lawman in the states has not addressed Illegal Immigration during the entire Bush administration. It is all political posturing and the people in the administration that could do something without any law changes have sat on their hands.
September 19, 2007
11:04 AM
JMH writes:
This kind of thing is long overdue. Glad to see some will actually talk about the problems these people cause instead of being intimidated by the cries of "racism".
It seems whites aren't allowed to say anything about a person of color, or they are a racist. This double-standard has gone too far. Sorry... but illegals bring alot of problems with them. Why you think the Mexican government is so happy to let us deal with their "dirty laundry".
One more thing about this statement - "Although the meeting highlighted crimes committed only by illegal immigrants, Buck said twice "the vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country do not commit crimes other than coming into this country illegally."
While that may be true (most illegals are hard-working people trying to make a buck), it tends to be their children who are born here who cause most of the crime since they are unsupervised most of the day by thier hard-working parents and they are just dumped into our schools to raise them. Mix in some influence from the "rap / Gangsta culture" and presto... a whole generation of kids with no respect for others or our laws.
Enough is enough. Close the borders and arrest anyone who hires illegal immigrants. Dry up the jobs available and they have no reason to come here... also deport Bush and almost all of Congress to Mexico. It sure seems like that is who they are working for anyway...
September 19, 2007
11:07 AM
487 days to go writes:
Ben,
All we need is an Attorney General that leads law enforcement to do the job. The law exists and somebody is sleeping at the wheel.
September 19, 2007
11:15 AM
bret writes:
Simply enforce, to the "T" the existing laws and send the cheaters home where they belong. Let them be a drag on their own society since not only are they illeagle but refuse to assimulate into our society. They hate america but love our hand-outs and our money. Go home roaches!
September 19, 2007
11:22 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JMH,
This is one issue where we seem to be almost 100% in agreement. I would support impeaching Bush for his failure to uphold the Constitution with regard to securing our borders and enforcing our sovreignty. I am 100% pro legal immigrant and 100% anti illegal immigrant. All the arguments about hardworking illegals can be made about any other crime. He's a hard working family man except for that one little bank robbery thing. He's a hard working family man except for that one little embezzlement thing, and on and on.
September 19, 2007
11:44 AM
LUKE SANDOVAL writes:
These kind of meetings are nothing but a new chapter on a sustained campaign of demonization of illegal immigrants. If this was such a problem, why are allowing the federal government to continue this path of negligence? We need immigration reform to keep the good, hard working people here and send the criminals home. For every Timothy McVeigh, there is a Gomez Garcia. Most immigrants are good people, this country is a country of immigrants!
September 19, 2007
11:44 AM
Ben writes:
The U.S. allows 2 million people into this country each and every year legally (Lou Dobbs CNN) and we have 9 Guest Worker Programs.
Yet we have a huge illegal alien problem, and thus a multitude of other problems.
Note. Some Democrats are trying to attach piecemeal amnesties to the Defense bill. DREAM ACT and STRIVE ACT. Neo-Con Repubs are also complicit. Now is the time for vigilance.
September 19, 2007
11:48 AM
Anonymous writes:
Luke,
This is a country of citizens not immigrants. If demonization is taking place it is for a reason. Illegal aliens need to go back and stand in line like immigrants. Then they may show Americans the respect we will now demand.
September 19, 2007
11:58 AM
Can I get an AMEN! writes:
About a month ago Homeland Security was about to send out thousands of letters to companies known to have a high number of illegals and alot of fake SS#'s. The letters were warnings to the companies giving them 30-60 days to verify every SS# and documents of their workers.This is what the American people have been asking for,to go after the companies hiring illegals and winking at SS#'s that don't match.The companies were told in the letters failure to comply was grounds for heavy fines and or prosecution.
The ACLU got wind of it and went to a left wing judge in San Francisco, ( sanctuary city ) and the judge put a stop to the letters.
The ACLU has been filing lawsuits all over the country trying to stop towns,cities,states and now the federal government from enforcing the laws.
The question is not ,Why isn't our government doing anything to stop illegals from being here?
The question is , Why is the ACLU preventing governments all over the U.S. from enforcing the laws?
I would like to see The Attorney General file suit against the ACLU on behalf of the American citizens for putting up roadblocks and not letting American citizens enjoy their civil rights.
What part of American does the American Civil Liberties Union not understand?
September 19, 2007
11:59 AM
CLEMENTE CARBALLO writes:
Unlike most of the morons and racists in this forum, Ben's border street makes sense. We need immigration reform now!!!...This reform should include border secutrity as a first step and then the implementation of a biometric system of identification. We can do it, but we won't becuase we have allowed ourselves to be polluted by bigots like Tancredo.
September 19, 2007
12:09 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Clemente,
Read again. We need Comprehensive Immigration LAW ENFORCMENT.
That's it ese. Nothing else.
September 19, 2007
12:21 PM
shaggy writes:
Heres what I don't understand .
We have between 12 and 20 million illegals here already.
The farmers complain they can't get enough help.
So why can't we get some of illegals already here to do the job instead of allowing more illegals in.
Could it be the illegals are now more picky about where they will work?
Maybe they will start with taking the jobs away from our truckers, oh wait , never mind, that has already happened.
Ben, I also applaud the DA in Greeley for his attempt to bring this issue out in full veiw knowing before that he would be labled a racist by the open border fruitcakes.
It is not about race.......at least not YET.
September 19, 2007
12:41 PM
Yeshabet writes:
Where have you been living "Can I get an Amen?" WE HAVE HAD AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS!! Why now and not then? Illegal immigrants have made great financial contributions to the Federal government, 8 billion to the Social Security fund. We have known of their presence and their work for more than 2 decades. Why is Homeland Security so concerned now? We should wonder if there aren't racist underlyings here.
September 19, 2007
12:41 PM
spud writes:
Like any liberal would say, if stopping it would save just one life, would be worth??!!!
September 19, 2007
12:44 PM
spud writes:
Like and liberal would say, if stopping it would save one life, wouldn't it be worth it?
September 19, 2007
12:45 PM
spud writes:
Like any liberal would say, if stopping it would save one life, wouldn't it be worth it?
September 19, 2007
1:06 PM
CLEMENTE CARBALLO writes:
My mistake "Ben's Border Street" I guess you are another moron. By the way, if you ever have the opportunity to educate your ignorant self, you might learn than the word "ese" has little or nothing to do with Mexican-Americans like me, who happen to have immigrated from Guadalajara. Maybe you should use the triple K next to your name you racist fool.
September 19, 2007
1:33 PM
Martin writes:
What we need is illegal immigration from Germany, or England, or for that matter Argentina, the most white Latin country to make Tancredo and Buchanan very happy.
September 19, 2007
2:07 PM
jay writes:
Let's remember a few things from the story above:
"the vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country do not commit crimes other than coming into this country illegally."
"he noted that of the 513 known gang members in Weld County, none is an illegal immigrant. "
With that in mind, remember...generalizations are for uneducated racists.
Should we be deporting criminals here illegally? Of course. Should we enforce our border and labor laws? Of course.
The real question is what do we do with the folks already here and productively plugged into the economy.
September 19, 2007
2:15 PM
David (R) writes:
Forgive my ignorance - but what the hell does 'ese' mean? I thought it was a typo in the first post.
September 19, 2007
2:19 PM
shaggy writes:
jay,
I think we should do whatever the laws tell us to do with illegal immigrants.
It seems like only illegals, businesses and O.J. get to pick what laws to follow.
Looks like O.J. finally pushed it to far.
The illegals and businesses have been pushing it to far for 21 years.
Its time to enforce our laws.
The law is the law and no one is above it PERIOD.
September 19, 2007
2:34 PM
truthy writes:
The mornings belong to the anti-illegal immgration people and the afternoons to the pro-illegals.
Why?
Perhaps the "progressives" like to sleep in. Perhaps they CAN sleep in. Most working people get up in the morning.
May not be related, but a trend I have noticed.
September 19, 2007
2:38 PM
truthy writes:
Hey CLEMENTE CARBALLO,
What proof have you that Tom Tancredo is a bigot? You know what proof is right?
Not the booze kind but the evidence kind. Let's hear it.
September 19, 2007
2:41 PM
shaggy writes:
Have any of you noticed the new car insurance the illegals have been coming up with latley?
It's called Aríba Aríba ondelay ondelay.
No need to call me a racist, it is the truth.
Read the papers.
September 19, 2007
2:53 PM
DMW writes:
Well Ben, you showed you ignorance once again. Man you need something to do, get a job...
September 19, 2007
3:12 PM
AndiMedi writes:
The U.S. born have at least one thing to never fear: nobody is better or more prolific at committing horrible, ghastly crimes. That’s one job immigrants can’t even compete with us on. Immigrants, regardless of immigration status, commit far less crime than the native-born.
Oh, sorry. I must have missed the point. The subject isn’t crime; it’s associating immigrants with crime to score political points.. How low will the anti-immigration folks go?!?
September 19, 2007
3:22 PM
Anonymous writes:
AndiMedi, you tool, the black man has the highest crime rate, followed hispanics. But dont let the facts get in the way of you white hating
September 19, 2007
4:45 PM
pfwag writes:
Lots of opinions posted, pro and con, but few facts. Here is an indisputable fact:
NOBODY really knows how much crime illegal aliens commit, or don't commit, because the GOVT does not record, track, or report crimes committed on American soil by foreign nationals.
Also, the GOVT does not track crimes committed by "Hispanics" or "Latinos" either since neither is a race.
That said, HOWEVER, there is a growing number of small studies and anecdotal data that suggests that ILLEGAL aliens are committing a LOT of crime. Far more crime than their representation in the population. I am not referring to just violation of immigration crimes and simple crime like ID theft. There are strong indications that illegal aliens are molesting, raping, killing, and murdering Americans and other illegal aliens in shocking numbers.
If you are truly interested in this hot topic, the most comprehensive resource for illegal alien crime is THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Google it or go to: www.darksideofillegalimmigration.com
September 19, 2007
7:12 PM
Holier Than Thou writes:
Congratulations to District Attorney Ken Buck on having the most successful tent revival since the 1920s dedicated to racial hatred!
I see Buck has not been listening to his local sheriff, who admitted that not one single known gang member in their locality is an illegal alien. And hundreds of them are known.
The crime statistics on this board are something special. The fact is that neither so-called "black" people nor "Hispanics" commit the most crimes per capita. Crime is higher amongst poor people because of unemployment, lack of money and dignity, and despair which may lead to heavy drinking and drug abuse. But racists just love to point out the "race" rather than thinking about the real problem, which is a reflection upon all of us as an uncivilized society.
The blogs are chock full of disgusting racist comments these days, thinly veiled by rhetoric rationalizing their banal and moronic hatred of people who are different from them. For the more secretive meetings, Ken Buck will be welcoming them with their sheets, hoods, gasoline and crosses, clubs and lynching ropes. Let's only hope that the media has the guts to cover that as well as the hood that will be covering Mr. Buck's face.
The KKK blamed former slaves for the idiocy and poor judgment of southern white leaders after the Civil War.
The Nazis blamed the Jews for the misery of Germany, which was largely caused by fascism and incompetent non-Jewish leaders. How did that work out, folks?
Now we see conservative American neo-fascists blaming Mexicans for crime and other problems caused by they themselves, their policy debacles, greed, and warmongering lunacy.
This only proves that we Americans are collectively much more stupid than the Germans.
It takes a special kind of demagogue to do that.
September 20, 2007
8:30 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Not one single gang member is an illegal alien. LOL. If you look closely at the Sheriff's uniform I believe you will see commendations bestowed upon him by Monfort's and ConAgra.
For the sake of argument let's say this "public information" from the sheriff is corrrect. LOL. What is then the number of gang members that is derived from illegal aliens and illegal immigration?
September 20, 2007
8:54 AM
shaggy writes:
Since September 2001, 45,625 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.
The real kicker is our Government doesn't care. How can we sue Bush and the Fed. Gov. for not enforcing our laws and protecting us from invasion?
Looks to me like it is safer in Iraq than in America.
September 20, 2007
8:59 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Shaggy, yep.
*I too see a lot of racism. From the non-whites and leftist element almost exclusively. Chicanos are known for their racism against blacks and whites alike.
September 20, 2007
9:00 AM
jay writes:
wow...the myths are plentiful here this morning...thanks shaggy...
September 20, 2007
9:21 AM
Ben writes:
jay -The obfuscator.
Youtube deaths by illegal aliens. It was a piece by CNN I believe. It has been posted numerous times as you well know.
Illegal aliens have killed approximately 48,00 Americans since September 11, 2001. Can you imagine if Americans had killed 48,000 illegal aliens since Septmeber 11. 2001?
September 20, 2007
9:47 AM
Anonymous writes:
Illegals are not dumb. They will only work low-paying jobs until something better is available. So the whole argument that illegals "do the work Americans do" is baloney, pure and simple.
The answer? Round 'em up and put 'em to work in the fields, so farmers have help, then deport 'em.
And the REAL racisim is from the folks who are blasting AMERICAN CITIZENS who want US immigration laws enforced. Sure, they're all for illegal immigration as long as illegals continue to take all the low-paying jobs, and drive wages down for Americans in other jobs as they move up the food chain.
September 20, 2007
9:58 AM
Anonymous writes:
Illegal alien apologists claim that the majority of these folks are law abiding except for coming here iillegally. That is a statment demonstrative of the denial of the multitude of crimes committed each day by illegal aliens AFTER they arrive, including identity theft, theft of services with false identity, and the violation of the spirit of the 14th Amendment's birthright citizenship rule by anchoring themselves to our country by using their children as shields.
American is tired of the same old meaningless arguments and rationalizations. The kneejerk use or racism claims is becoming white noise now, just another distraction.
Bloggers like jay are part and parcel of the anti-American group who benefit from illegal labor, and until now have had no incentive to help other American workers because they live to exploit. Jay's crime then is to stand up on a self-righteous soapbox and point the finger of racism at law abiding and law enforcing honest people.
This is why the Shamnesty Bill was defeated and why the Jay's are irrelevant in the discussion.
September 20, 2007
10:47 AM
Eileen writes:
I agree. Illegal labor is the crack cocaine to illegal employers whose habit does not help the American economy. In fact it does the opposite.
The finger pointers are always motivated by that personal stake they have in promoting illegal immigration for the purpose of having illegal labor. It's a sham and always has been.
September 20, 2007
1:13 PM
Steve Rogers writes:
How does Greeley PD know that these 500+ gang members are not illegal??? Did they call ICE?
No I can tell you they did not! many of these Gang Members claim to be legal (of course) the Greeley police are not trained to determine alienage and they would not know a legal immigrant from a Border crossing card holder or illegal immigrant if all three stood before them.
Keep being a Sanctuary City Greeley and see what happens when the gangs control the community.
September 20, 2007
1:17 PM
shaggy writes:
What would the May 1, 2006, illegal immigration boycott look like without illegal immigration?
* The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise would die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day.
* Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals.
* There would be no one to smuggle across our southern border the heroin, marijuana, cocaine, and methamphetamines, which plague the United States, reducing the U.S. supply of methamphetamines that day, by 80%.
* Our hospital emergency rooms would not be flooded with everything from gunshot wounds, to anchor babies, to imported diseases, to hangnails, giving American citizens the day off from standing in line behind illegals.
* Eight American children would not suffer the horror as victims of sex crimes.
September 20, 2007
1:59 PM
Anonymous writes:
I think I just heard shaggy's credibility hit rock bottom
September 20, 2007
2:13 PM
Ben writes:
1:59 blogs anonymously and then talks of credibility. LOL
Powerful blog Shag.
September 20, 2007
2:46 PM
shaggy writes:
Ben,
Here is a link to the impacts these illegals have on all of us.
It is very scary, sad and true.
They impact us in so many different ways it is just pathetic.
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/
I would recommend to all of you pro-illegal and open borders people to read thru the different impacts the illegals are causing us. After all, regardless of your stance about the illegals, they affect you the same as me.
September 20, 2007
3:46 PM
Crissie writes:
The Greeley issue is not about Racism, it's about people being here ILLEGALLY, taking and runing our way of life. I once said awhile ago, ""If these illegals want to be here so badly, learn to fight for this country..round them up, send ALL of the to Iraq and see if they make it home, ifr not OH WELL..." they will all go scattering like mice!!! We need to do something or we're not mgoing to have OUR COUNTRY any longer!!! I for one will fight for my country , can you say the same???
September 20, 2007
5:17 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Yes crissie, I can say the same.
September 22, 2007
2:47 PM
Porter writes:
It continues to be nothing but silly to imply by the accusations of racism against those who denounce illegal immigration, that the illegal immigrants are not doing anything wrong since there are so many of them of the same race.
This kind of circular logic is the downfall of those who try and fail to apologize and defend illegal immigrants.
March 21, 2008
11:54 PM
Bagy Villalobos writes:
In order to end this "Illegal Immigrant" problem, we need to cover that whole from where they are all coming in. This is for their own safety, then we need an amnesty. Problem solved.