January 31, 2008 1:55 PM
'Warming emissions' tax to pay for renewable projects?
How does the notion of paying about $2.50 per month extra on your home heating bill to fund renewable energy projects strike you?
That's the proposition Clean Energy Progress plans to place on the November ballot, reports Todd Hartman.
Under its plan, a Colorado household with average energy use would pay about $2.50 more a month on its bill. A big- box retailer would pay roughly $1,300 a month more.The fee would raise an estimated $180 million a year to be invested in various energy-efficiency and renewable projects, as well as those designed to capture and store carbon emissions, the group said.
"Colorado voters understand that renewable energy is key to our state's economic future and our energy security," said Tom McKinnon, a Colorado School of Mines professor with Clean Energy Progress, in a statement.
The program is similar to one approved by voters in Boulder in 2006. A tax on electricity, but not natural gas consumption, added roughly $16 a year to a homeowner's power bill and $46 for businesses.
At its Web site, CleanEnergy Progress.org, the group said the statewide program would result in a "net savings" of about $600 million a year because of the cut in energy consumption from efficiency investments.
Good idea? Would you vote for it? Think it has a chance given the economic climate?
January 31, 2008
3:23 PM
TAX and SPEND Ritter is at it AGAIN writes:
NO WAY should this tax happen!! What in tarnation is happening?? WE ALREADY VOTED in a HUGE TAX INCREASE for road maintenance, education and healthcare state spending--wasn't it something called Ref. C.?? Now tax-and spend Ritter wants MORE money that will end up in state pet pork projects. Let's have fiscal accountability at every level of state employment called "government", so we really know where the money goes!
January 31, 2008
3:29 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
I am already a part of Xcel's Windsource program, for which I pay (guess what) about another $2.50 a month on my bill.
We do need this program, but I would rather that it be developed by an entity that has some degree of accountability in effectively using the funds they collect for it.
January 31, 2008
3:39 PM
jay writes:
Hey conspiracy theorist at 3:23...where did you hear that Ritter was part of the group trying to get this on the ballot?
January 31, 2008
4:19 PM
Anonymous writes:
This proposal is a crock. Clean Energy Progress needs to figure out how to fund their unproven science projects on their OWN dime. It's called capitalism, not tax and spend socialism. Begin at start: form a company, sell stock, and float yer boat that way, not on everyone else's backs!
January 31, 2008
4:42 PM
Shaggy writes:
Just a matter of time before we get taxed for Algore inventing the man made global warming hoax.
Jay, are the Ritter clansmen that hung Corey Voorhis out to dry going to plead the fifth tomorrow?
The records they tried to keep from becoming evidence are very discriminating to what Ritter really did.
Who is going to be Ritters fall guy?
I forgot, you don't know what I am talking about.
The only conspiracy comes from Ritters intent to get the guy who exposed him for letting illegals with serious charges go free on "agriculture trespass" charges.
Ritter is not liking this......
January 31, 2008
5:04 PM
jay writes:
"Jay, are the Ritter clansmen that hung Corey Voorhis out to dry going to plead the fifth tomorrow?
The records they tried to keep from becoming evidence are very discriminating to what Ritter really did."
I tell you man...your conspiracy theories get crazier every day
January 31, 2008
5:34 PM
Shaggy writes:
Serious jay, do you think they will plead the fifth tomorrow in front of Federal Judge John Kane?
Kane already squashed their attempt to avoid the supenas of their phone, e-mail records and testimony.
hmmm..what are they trying to cover up??
January 31, 2008
6:21 PM
Anonymous writes:
So now we have an "Emissions Tax" initiative? This is ludicrous. If this outfit (Clean Energy Progress) wants to fund a project for renewable energy, why not do so like any other start-up? Slapping yet another "fee" or "tax" is an affront to every single taxpayer in this state.
January 31, 2008
6:43 PM
jayisanidiot writes:
Why do the J Marvins of the gutter world always evoke conspiracy when one of their corrupt politicians is revealed?
January 31, 2008
6:48 PM
jay writes:
maybe they know where jimmy hoffa is buried
February 1, 2008
10:13 AM
KW writes:
Jay has, on many occaisions, assured us that GW won't bring about anyone trying to raise taxes in the name of trying to save the planet so this story is obviously a hoax.
February 1, 2008
10:26 AM
jay writes:
kw...as I've sad all along...your conspiracy theory about gw being a hoax designed solely to extract more taxes from the masses is ignorant at best.
i didn't realize you were confused about my position on that one
February 1, 2008
10:51 AM
Mitt Romney writes:
Let me make myself very, very clear on this issue. Renewable energy is a type of energy, and check out my hair. The government needs reform and change, just like energy does. Energy that renews itself is good.
Thank You.
February 1, 2008
11:51 AM
Matt writes:
I'm getting let out of work for a half day skiing because we just got 7 new inches of Global Warming!!! I might have to let my car warm up a few more minutes each morning.
February 1, 2008
12:33 PM
history buff writes:
Matt
The bench mark price for a barrel of oil fell yesterday by $.58 to $91.75. Yippee. In 159 days it will be free. So, by June 7, 2008, there will be no more gas taxes.
February 1, 2008
12:40 PM
Shaggy writes:
Paul Harvey said today that the average golfer walks around 900 miles in a year, that same golfer drinks around 22 gallons a liquor a year, that means that our average golfer gets around 40.9 miles to the gallon:)
February 1, 2008
12:58 PM
jay writes:
so the average golfer walks between 4 and 5 miles per round...which means that harvey thinks the average golfer plays about 200 rounds a year...or in other words, his "average" golfer plays 4 times a week.
may I be an average golfer in paul's world please?
now...the 22 gallons of liquor...there's no doubt that's true
February 1, 2008
3:36 PM
jay writes:
you going kw?
http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/article.cfm?artId=22666
February 1, 2008
4:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
You going jay?
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/410136/
February 1, 2008
4:11 PM
Anonymous writes:
It's high time we decide to STOP taxing, assessing fees, or whatever the H*LL you call them. . .on consumers. Here's a message to Clean Energy Progress: Don't think you can pull this stunt on Colorado voters!
February 1, 2008
4:24 PM
Matt writes:
Not to be sarcastic but are you making a connection to my letting the car idle? High gas prices hit me more indirectly than directly. I fill up no more than twice a month and live really close to work. When the weather is good I ride my bike but not because I think the sky will otherwise fall, it's just fun, saves wear and tear on the car, good exercise and saves on gas.
February 1, 2008
4:28 PM
Global Warming is a Lie writes:
Wake UP sheeple--this proposal is highway robbery without a gun.
February 1, 2008
4:33 PM
citizen writes:
No more taxes period. It is time to start going the other way and cutting the cost of government WAY back. Total taxes to government should never exceed 5% of any person's income period.
February 1, 2008
6:29 PM
Shaggy writes:
jay,
It was suppose to be a funny.
It wasn't meant to be analyzed.
Do you know what you call the only person at a Liberal party who is having fun and joking around?
A Republican..hahahaha
Hey jay, Do you know what you call someone who isn't happy unless they are angry?
A Liberal..hahahaha
February 2, 2008
10:48 AM
Renewable Energy Needs to PAY IT'S OWN WAY writes:
WHAT is going on here? WHO do these idiots think they are? WHY should everyone PAY through the nose for THIS PET PROJECT? It's all well and good that Coloradoans think that renewable energy is the "key" to Colorado's future(although some of us never gave it a thought in quite this way.) However, this is yet ANOTHER tax for everyone that needs to move into the private sector, and be funded the way most "capitalist" ideas get funded: by investors, not by a tax imposed on everyone. Besides, no matter what these yahoos come up with, OUR energy bills will continue to be sky-high. And that's the sorry truth.
February 2, 2008
4:32 PM
vudumom writes:
Isn't this world crazy when in an effort to save energy resources because Al Gore says so as he flies around in his big carbon footprint Jet and lives sometimes in his big carbon footprint house,we have to pay for wind to help power our homes.Wind,people are actually paying for wind.
What happens when someone comes along and says we have to conserve wind because we have a thing going on called Global Winding,then what are you gonna do?
February 2, 2008
8:52 PM
Methane Power to the People! writes:
Guess there'll be a breaking wind tax next.
February 3, 2008
8:53 AM
SASQUATCH writes:
The "alternative renewables" during the Jimmie Carter era remain the very same alternatives today. If $100 crude and 30 years weren't enough to convert windmills, solar, biofuels and corn ethanol into today's reality; then it ain't ever going to happen. Such "alternatives" are doomed to continue tocontribute single-digit levels to our energy requirements, they will remain tomorrow's "alternatives."
Crude, coal, nuclear and natural gas, of which we have abundant untapped supplies, are the answer for tomorrow. I don't need to contribute $2.50 a month to some wacky environuts windmill factory.
February 4, 2008
8:34 AM
Larry writes:
How does the notion of paying about $2.50 per month extra on your home heating bill to fund renewable energy projects strike you?
it sounds more like a heating bill increase in disguise. Aren't rate increases supposed to be regulated?
February 4, 2008
9:28 AM
CC writes:
How long before energy becomes so expensive we have a "crisis" just like health care?
Will it be resolved the same way: tax and redistribute?
It seems like soon, the gov will be completely taking the place of private industry and a good amount of our wealth along with it.
I don't understand how we Americans decided to give up freedom (wealth) for these "greater good" initiatives that don't really guarantee anything beyond spending.
February 4, 2008
10:01 AM
jay writes:
"It seems like soon, the gov will be completely taking the place of private industry and a good amount of our wealth along with it."
this kind of chicken little thinking isn't helping.
we are in an energy crisis. oil went to $100 barrel from what...$30 7 years ago...does that sound like a stable commodity upon which we should build our country's future economic foundation. dumb.
really dumb.
for the sake of our own freedom (wealth) we should be doing everything we can (within fiscal reason) to transition away from the ball and chain that will continue to hinder our nation's prosperity for as long as we allow it
February 4, 2008
11:53 AM
Matt writes:
More evidence that Al Gore's Global Warming only exists in the minds of the gullible:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nbook103.xml
February 4, 2008
11:58 AM
Typical Misinformed Right-Wing Whack Job writes:
Al Gore's Global Warming is a farce - because it's COLD outside, and snowing.
February 4, 2008
12:06 PM
Matt writes:
What a lovely typical knee-jerk reaction from a mindless manbearpig peddler who didn't even react to the fact that the POLAR CAPS ARE NOT MELTING. There is no impending apocalypse just because Al Gore says so! Deal with it. Take it from a real scientist:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html?apl=y&r=179474
February 4, 2008
12:57 PM
your typical right wing nut case writes:
Global warming doesn't exist
because i can stick my head in a freezer and watch my nose hairs get frosty.
February 4, 2008
2:12 PM
Matt writes:
"Global warming doesn't exist because i can stick my head in freezer and watch my nose hairs get frosty."
Is this the type of reasoning which convinced you that Global Warming exists? Al Gore thanks you for not asking any questions.
February 4, 2008
2:57 PM
jay writes:
why in the world would you have to listen to al gore when you could instead adopt the conclusions of nearly every single field appropriate, peer reviewed expert on the planet.
February 4, 2008
3:37 PM
Shaggy writes:
My prediction is that the next person to win a Pulitzer Prize will be the one to expose Algores man made global warming as one of the worlds biggest hoax's.
Real and creditable Scientists are starting to come out and expose the loony ones for what they are...loony.
In fact, the opposite may be true.
http://www.odu.edu/ao/instadv/quest/greenhouse.html
February 4, 2008
3:46 PM
Matt writes:
Why in the world would anyone with an iota of a memory go along with the Global Warming prank after seeing how the failed Global Cooling prank turned out? Do any of you alarmists who think we're going to control the Earth's weather lend any credit to the idea that history repeats itself? Without help from the kind of "scientists" in the link, the Global Warming concept would still be at home in Al Gore's head.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=275267681833290
February 4, 2008
6:35 PM
just sayin' writes:
There is a documentary called "Everything's Cool". You should all check it out. It is about the different scientists and who is paying them on this issue.
February 5, 2008
8:35 AM
Even McCain says Global warming is real writes:
Hey Repubs look what John McCain Sez!!!
McCain vows to fight global warming
Email|Link|Comments (11) Posted by John Yemma January 7, 2008 04:30 PM
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff
CONCORD, N.H. -- In his final push for a primary victory, Senator John McCain arrived here this afternoon and made a pitch that might have surprised voters: He cast himself as the environmentalist of the presidential campaign.
"I will clean up the planet," McCain said. "I will make global warming a priority."
McCain often says that he wants to reduce dependence on foreign oil and that he wants to increase the use of nuclear power. His usual line is that these efforts also will help reduce global warming
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/mccain_vows_to.html
I like this straight talk