March 28, 2008 8:40 AM
Should John McCain pick Mitt Romney as his running mate?
Sen. John McCain campaigned in Colorado alongside the man who whipped him 3-1 among Republican caucus voters.
Was it a preview of the GOP's national ticket?
The McCain and Romney camps loathed each other during the Republican primary season but vice-presidential amnesia for prior slights is well documented in each party. McCain tagged Romney as a flip-flopper but George H.W. Bush called Ronald Reagan's fiscal policies "voodoo economics" yet still wound up as his running mate in 1980. Similarly, John F. Kennedy cozied up to rival Lyndon B. Johnson in 1960 and little love was lost between John Kerry and John Edwards in 2004.
David Montero reports on Romney's support for his former rival:
"I am proud to be able to support Senator McCain, who this country needs as its next president," Romney said. "It is important for all of us who care about the future of America not to sit back and see how this election turns out, but to be actively involved."McCain didn't campaign in Colorado before the February caucuses and hadn't been to the state since last fall.
McCain answered only a handful of questions, most centering on his ability to woo social conservatives who backed Romney and Mike Huckabee in Colorado's caucus and still appeal to the state's large swath of unaffiliated voters.
The duo also campaigned together in Utah.
A tanned and rested Romney said it was fun to be campaigning again and nice not to feel any pressure. "I don't have to worry about goofing up," he said. He brushed aside questions about a No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.McCain, who has struggled to raise money compared to Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, is on a weeklong Western fundraising swing. Romney is popular in Utah and Colorado, states with large numbers of Mormons.
Since then, McCain has praised Romney repeatedly as someone who is certain to continue playing a large role in the GOP. Romney, for his part, has suggested that he'd accept a vice presidential slot, though some Republicans privately speculate that he's looking ahead to a possible repeat run in 2012.
Washington Post political blogger Chris Cillizza handicaps the running-mate race for McCain as well as Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. He has Romney grouped with three governors (Charlie Christ of Florida, Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and Mark Sanford of South Carolina) and Sen. John Thune of South Dakota - of whom McCain joked on the campaign trail: "If I looked like him I'd be president already."
Who should McCain pick? Would his VP pick influence your vote? Does he need to pick a staunch conservative to shore up that segment of his base?
March 28, 2008
9:32 AM
Ben- Former Democrat writes:
Yep.
March 28, 2008
9:44 AM
Shaggy: aka Obamas typical white person writes:
I dito Ben.
He has the most experience about the economy.
MBA from Harvard.
March 28, 2008
10:08 AM
no thanks writes:
Wow. You can't be more wrong Shaggy.
All the candidates have MBA's from Ivy league schools Shaggy. That's no way to choose a prez. Bush has an MBA and look at the mess we are in now. It's the whole team making decisions, not just one person. Shaggy, the R team in power now makes decisions for personal profit and R supporter financial gain, such as Blackwater. More power taken away from us and given back to them. If you want more of the same, vote McSame.
March 28, 2008
10:27 AM
Shelby writes:
I also agree with you, Ben. Mitt Romney, with his great knowledge of economics, is exactly what our nation needs right now.
March 28, 2008
10:29 AM
history buff writes:
McCain should pick a Ken doll for VP. Wait, Romney is a Ken doll.
March 28, 2008
10:38 AM
Kevin Jones writes:
I thought Romney's conservative credentials were more dubious than McCain's, so I thought McCain needs a more reliable GOP VP pick.
However, Romney had the approval of the Republican punditocracy, who managed to attract much of the party base to him. It could work.
March 28, 2008
10:46 AM
BossPaul writes:
Experience? What experience? Stripping companies and never building something? What's needed is integrity - Romney has none. As gov of Mass, he merely betrayed and double-crossed. Betraying his own non-existent convictions every time a new poll shows up! The last person to be trusted sending men into harms way is Romney because his character is unreliable.
March 28, 2008
10:48 AM
am 760 writes:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/27/7948
Article about mccains foreign policy
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/27/7942
Article about swiftboating Obama
Keep up the good work righties.
March 28, 2008
11:08 AM
Play By The Rules writes:
Proof BossPaul, proof. It isn't good enough to simply level accusations. We know nothing of you or your credentials, knowledge, or experience. You need to post links with verifiable events that supports your claims, or your post will be regarded as simple rambling. So, whatcha got?
March 28, 2008
11:19 AM
KW writes:
We need change rather than more of the same. Especially in the arena of earmarks. $18 billion is an awful lot of money being spent without congress ever actually approving it.
Bush and the rep controlled congress has been an embarrassment in this area but claiming "b,b,but the reps" doesn't resolve this huge and costly problem.
Looking over the reports for last year I did find one interesting fact that stood out, earmark spending.
Hillary - $340 million in earmarks
Obama - $91 million in earmarks
McCain - $0 in earmarks
As I've stated many times, I'm not in McCain's corner which is why I ignore jay when he tries to engage me in defending McCain's policies.
But at least with regards to attitudes towards earmarks, Hillary and Obama are more of the same while McCain clearly is the only one looking McDifferent.
March 28, 2008
12:21 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) "Ask not what your country can do for you...." writes:
One thing for sure, he has to pick someone to the right of him to balance the ticket.
March 28, 2008
12:51 PM
SASQUATCH writes:
An M&R ticket would be great. Mitt knows how to run and grow a business and is comfortable with capitalism and free market enterprise and not one of the other candidates come close to Mitt's understanding economics, private enterprise, capitalism, monetary and fiscal policy--including McCain. Mitt understands economic growth, jobs, incomes, wealth etc.--he already did that and was very successful. And Mitt is young enough to run for pres. at 64 or 68 too. Too good of a dream; so its unlikely to happen.
Neither BO or HRC could manage to run a lemonade stand and neither could lead a 2 car funeral.
March 28, 2008
1:16 PM
Anonymous writes:
Hillary can't even run her own house and I'll be damned if she'll run mine.
March 28, 2008
1:45 PM
history buff writes:
McCain can use Romney's business experience in foreign policy. After all, Bush and McCain seem to view the problems in Iraq as a dispute that can be settled much like a beer league softball game between the shipping department and the production department of a corporation. Just let the Mahdi Army and the Basr Militia play six on the diamond, and afterwards al-Miliki will give them all a speech around the keg about smiling and maintaining a positive attitude. And then they can coin a few slogans to embrace their ideals and everyone will wish each other well until the day shift starts on Monday.
March 28, 2008
2:32 PM
Shaggy: aka Obamas typical white person writes:
Wow. You can't be more wrong Shaggy."
"All the candidates have MBA's from Ivy league schools Shaggy."---no thanks
This is just another fine example about how ill informed people are about their Candidates.
On Hannity and Colmes.
A randomly selected group(20 or so)of Obama supporters were gathered off the street and asked a few questions about their candidate and why they like him.
Question one: Name one major accomplishment of Obamas.
NOT ONE..repeat..NOT ONE in the whole room could answer an accomplishment of Obamas.
One lady said because he is black.
Another said he makes great speeches.
Another said he has a nice smile.
One said he looks like a President.
It was unbelievable how stupid these people were.It was utterly embarrassing.
No one could believe what they were hearing
no thanks,
Hillary and Obama both have LAW degrees...meaning..yes..they are LAWYERS...They DO NOT..repeat..DO NOT have MBA's.
Hillary and Obama know how to screw people.
Mitt Romney has an MBA...meaning he understands the ECONOMY better than any of them.
March 28, 2008
2:52 PM
Anonymous writes:
McCain needs a conservative
He needs Maryln Musgrave
March 28, 2008
3:01 PM
Anonymous writes:
I think McCain should pick Bush as VP so we can him for eight more years....Now that would be an awesome ticket.
March 28, 2008
3:11 PM
DR writes:
3:01 -
That would make me, and most everyone else in the nation, wretch with uncontrollable projectile vomit. When W is done, I hope he retires to his ranch and that I NEVER have to set eyes on his ignorant ass again. Even the religious right has recognized the error of the '04 vote. I've made a habit of when I see one of the few people left who have a "W/04" sticker on their car, asking them if they want me to grab my belt sander and help them remove it - I'm amazed at how many of them say something like "Sure - let's get it done" or "Damn, that was a mistake, wasn't it?"
March 28, 2008
3:47 PM
Anonymous writes:
Actually
McCain Needs to pick larry Craig
together they can fight terrorism in the bathroom stalls.
March 28, 2008
4:05 PM
Shaggy: aka Obamas typical white person writes:
Hey DR,
I always thought people were just crazy drivers in Colorado because it seems as though they are always trying to hit me and cut me off but it might have something to do with my Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on the back of my truck.
That might be the same reason why I am always getting dirty looks and the one finger solute:)
You might have to bring your sander up to the crib some night so we can take care of it and then break out the six strings:)
Have a good weekend...
March 28, 2008
4:18 PM
Anonymous writes:
And another fine example from our mexican friends:
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=88885
March 28, 2008
5:56 PM
DR writes:
Hey Shaggy -
I might just do that, because I've almost gotten then main chords down for Smoke on the Water - I know, I know - not exactly an endorsement of my up and coming stellar musical career, but I'm kind of surprised I figured it out based on the chords I have been learning by watching the guitar video. A little bit at a time :)
Have a great weekend.
March 28, 2008
8:01 PM
better think about it writes:
This is a no-brainer. Why do you think Romney dropped out of the race to begin with? McCain will be elected prsident--and he will die in office. Romney will then become president by default, while avoiding all the stress and expense of campaigning. Neat, huh?
March 28, 2008
8:56 PM
Anonymous writes:
4:18 has a better idea
why not pick an illegal alien?
March 28, 2008
10:05 PM
unitethegop writes:
McCain should pick Romney. It's a perfectly balanced ticket. I sure hope what we saw in Denver is a sign of times to come. www.unitethegop.com
March 28, 2008
10:07 PM
unitethegop writes:
McCain should pick Romney. It's a perfectly balanced ticket. I sure hope what we saw in Denver is a sign of times to come. www.unitethegop.com
March 29, 2008
6:00 AM
roger44 writes:
I won't vote for a man who has five sons and none has served in the military.
March 29, 2008
7:27 AM
DR writes:
Roger44 -
You should look things up before you start spreading BS.
Doug served in the US Navy as an A6-E Intruder pilot aboard the carriers America and Eisenhauer.
Jack is presently attending the US Naval Academy.
Jim is a US Marine Corp PFC.
And for the record, he has four sons, not five - meaning 3 out of 4 have or are serving. Now, don't you feel like an ass? You should. How many people might read your post and walk away thinking your misinformation was correct, and then spread it and infected others? If you're going to post thing about any of the candidates, do the research and then post truth, or stay off the blogs.
http://www.johnmccain.com/about/mccainchildren.htm
March 29, 2008
8:51 AM
chuck mccrady writes:
MCCAIN/ROMNEY is a greamatch.
March 29, 2008
8:55 AM
Anonymous writes:
good info DR .... thanks for the post and the link .... though you seem a bit harsh this morning
March 29, 2008
10:06 AM
Holier Than Thou writes:
The conservatives have done such an excellent job. They've protected us from terrorism except for the unprecedented attacks that killed nearly 3000 Americans on 9-11-2001. They've caught all the terrorists except for Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the new ones that showed up in Iraq after our forces invaded that country. Brilliant conservatives did an excellent job planning and executing the invasion of Iraq, except for securing things like 300 tonnes of high explosives that the insurgents drove away with, pacifying the country, reducing the insurgency, bloodshed, terrorist activities, bombings, and mass murders. And after five years we're just a little behind on starting reconstruction of things like bridges and power plants that we bombed.
I'm astonished that anyone would dare criticize fine upstanding conservatives like McCain and Romney for the brilliant ideas that conservatism has brought to the best nation on Earth. McCain has already proposed bombing Iran, a somewhat democratic but religiously intolerant country with a mere three times the population of Iraq. That should be no problem at all. We've only spent a trillion dollars and thousands of lives invading Iraq. What's the problem? It's those damned liberals and their inconvenient details.
Bush has done such a great job keeping the federal budget under control. So what if that Clinton balanced the budget? He was having dalliances. Bush brought integrity to the federal budget except for piling on another couple trillions in debt. The Chinese will keep loaning us more. What's the problem? A few Tibetan monks and their families being tortured while we stand by helpless and do nothing? Come on...
Conservatives have done wonderful things for the economy. Our richest billionaires are now three or four times richer! But frigging liberals insist on pointing out bad news. What a bunch of sad sacks! Yea, foreclosures are at an all time high. Big deal. Tell them to get a job. Well, so their jobs were offshored and their pay scales have gone in the toilet. At least the Chinese, with all those new jobs can keep on loaning money so that our federal government can afford more tax cuts for wealthy billionaires. Then the money will keep on trickling down so we'll all get rich. This is how conservatism works. Ain't it grand?
I'm going to vote for more of the same, vote McCain!
March 29, 2008
10:50 AM
DR writes:
8:55 -
You might be right, but I'd just spent the last hour on a blog on the LA Times where some guy was insisting that Obama was raised a Muslim and still practices that religion, and that Hillary is a lesbian, and McCain was actually in cahoots with the Viet Cong during his supposed captivity. I swear that sometimes I just get a bit tired of BS like that. I didn't mean to offend or pound on anybody Roger44, but research things before you post - the info was right there for you.
Holier -
I see where you're coming from, but I think we have to research and analyze one person at a time. If we didn't, we might not have voted for Clinton based on Carter's (total lack of) performance, or LBJ's utter lies about Viet Nam and not committing more troops. I really just don't know anyone that can tell me they're happy about Dubya and his presidency - even those folks I know on the religious right. But I think there is much you lay at his feet that really doesn't belong there, such as the mortgage debacle - the laws (or lack thereof) that allowed fraudulent lending to occur, have been in place for generations.
McCain and Romney haven't had anything to do with it, any more than anyone else in that level of government. They also had little to do with Iraq, Katrina, or many of the other ills plaguing the US right now - recall that many Dems also voted for war. Many Dems also voted in favor of the budgets that have driven the debt through the roof. There is certainly enough blame to go around on almost any current issue.
To me, the real issue for the upcoming vote, is who is saying they're going to do something, and who really will? Iraq is what it is - as much as I hate it, I don't believe an immediate, unilateral withdrawal would be wise. I think the best we're going to be able to do is ask the UN to create a multinational force, and pull out over six or eight months. Perhaps more, maybe less - I don't know enough to be able to really know what would be best, but I'm pretty sure there is plenty of room for catastrophe.
There is not much room for argument about the deplorable job that Dubya has done. But let's hear what the candidates have to say, and measure that against what they have actually done while in office, and see where things stand.
March 29, 2008
10:55 AM
Anonymous writes:
"except for the unprecedented attacks that killed nearly 3000 Americans on 9-11-2001."--HTN
To bad the the former President was to busy in the oral office and court proceedings and did nothing to prevent the 9/11 attacks..
March 29, 2008
11:09 AM
how soon we forget writes:
let's set the record a bit straighter on Clinton and his 'dalliances', ok? he wasn't chastise for that, he was chastised for lying under oath about it ....
still, even as a conservative, I'd take WJC in a second over W .... at least Clinton had a brain and was a decent leader
March 29, 2008
12:00 PM
ELECTION REFLECTION writes:
ABSOLUTELY THE BEST CHOICE FOR VP!
March 29, 2008
12:04 PM
ELECTION REFLECTION writes:
ABSOLUTELY THE BEST CHOICE FOR VP!
March 29, 2008
7:23 PM
Dave writes:
What worries me is none of the presidential candidates want to talk about the scourge of illegal immigration. They need to be asked where they stand, whoever comes to power? What do they have in store for us in 2009?
STOP THE TRAVESTY OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS! SAVE YOUR JOBS, LANGUAGE, FLAG & CONSTITUTION FROM ALL THOSE ANTI-SOVEREIGN, PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ADVOCATES WHO WOULD UNDERMINE THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE!
When the new personage steps into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, then we will be seeing the 12 to 20 million getting a path to citizenship. Once a new amnesty is signed into law, then nobody will be able to stop the next tsunami of destitute, uneducated illegal humanity pouring across our borders. A new amnesty will be seen as an open door for yet another future welcome to the world.
If MALDEF, LA RAZA or MECHA and other special interest groups, not excluding anti-sovereignty entities like the ACLU, Southern Poverty League that are apposed to the federal SAVE ACT (H.R. 4088), than it must have an excellent chance of working? Then citizens must contend with individual like Mayor Villaraigosa of Los Angeles, along with his retinue of pro-illegal immigrant city managers, who pander to special interest groups. In the limelight was ex-governor Spitzer, who was going to issue illegal foreign workers and families driving licenses. It seems like the illegal immigration battle is never over, because many of our politicians like House Speaker Pelosi, Harry Reid and their thrall are determined to undermine THE PEOPLE'S wishes.
In the last few months Democrat Kay Bailey Hutchinson added an amendment to the our border fence, that would gut it indefinitely by December 2008.Never mind that Assemblywoman Mimi Walters, a Republican from Oceanside, said illegal immigrants cost California taxpayers an estimated $9 billion each year. Even Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich agrees with this statement. Unfortunately their are other traitors amongst us, such as the globalist open border, free traders whose major agenda is the free movement of people throughout the North American Continent.
This by-partisan law is awaiting just 18 signers, to bring this enforcement only to a House vote. The SAVE ACT will supersede any state laws, in its magnitude. It will go after the real culprits who are the predator employers. It is enforcement by Attrition or Self-Deportation. Cannot get work, then they will leave of their own accord. If you are one of the citizens fed up with subsiding the poor, uneducated from around the world. Nobody should have a right to legalization without going home and being processed like all immigrants.
YOU! And only YOU, can stop this travesty of our Immigration laws?
Tell, NO! DEMAND your representatives to co-author THE FEDERAL SAVE ACT?
March 29, 2008
7:30 PM
Garrett writes:
ROMNEY FOR VP!!!
March 29, 2008
8:40 PM
Anonymous writes:
Dave
John Mc Amnesty is the worst candidate of all regarding this.
Just remember this when you vote republican.
March 29, 2008
8:51 PM
Ben- Former Democrat writes:
Dave, Well put my fellow American. Thank you for your effort.
8:40
Duh, okay I'll vote for the Democrat. I 'll disregard the fact that the Democratic Party has made de-facto amnesty as one of it's main planks in it's platform. Disgustingly silent Democratic Party who sabotage any legislation to attempt to stop illegal immigration.
March 30, 2008
12:54 AM
Brandon writes:
John McCain should NOT choose Romney as his running mate. Romney is one of the most fake and STUPID candidates to come out for the GOP. I am very much a Republican. However, if Romney is chosen as the GOP Running mate, I will vote for OBAMA before I vote for the Republican party. (I will NEVER vote for HILLARY). Especially with John McCain being so old. If he were to die, Romney would become President. I would compare a Romney Presidency to a BUSH presidency, a destructive, stupid, ill-prepared presidency.
March 30, 2008
12:57 AM
Brandon writes:
John McCain should NOT choose Romney as his running mate. Romney is one of the most fake and STUPID candidates to come out for the GOP. I am very much a Republican. However, if Romney is chosen as the GOP Running mate, I will vote for OBAMA before I vote for the Republican party. (I will NEVER vote for HILLARY). Especially with John McCain being so old. If he were to die, Romney would become President. I would compare a Romney Presidency to a BUSH presidency, a destructive, stupid, ill-prepared presidency.
March 30, 2008
7:18 AM
DR writes:
8:40 - here is the link to McCain's stand on Immigration Reform, and you can read for yourself that he is not for what you claim, and you can see what the other parts of the issue are that must be considered:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm
Brandon said, "I would compare a Romney Presidency to a BUSH presidency, a destructive, stupid, ill-prepared presidency."
Why? Based on what? Facts and links please.
March 30, 2008
7:40 AM
Anonymous writes:
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/letter_mccain_2004feb10.html
a great mccain letter about what hes for
"under this bill..every undocumented alien....path to permanent legal residency."
LOL
March 30, 2008
7:48 AM
Mr Straight talk is hilarious writes:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/topstories/articles/0524mccain-immigration0524.html
"I absolutely believe this one issue alone is helping to sink his boat," said state Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, a vocal opponent of the Senate plan. "Enough is enough. This is the sellout of America."
But other observers and analysts are not so quick to write off McCain for his attempt to balance border security and the documentation of millions of illegal workers.
For one thing, McCain's position in favor of a temporary-worker program and other reform elements, such as a controversial pathway toward legalization, was no secret. He has been introducing immigration-reform legislation since July 2003. "
March 30, 2008
8:12 AM
DR writes:
Okay, so he's introduced immigration reform since 2003 - your point is?
Some of that legislation has been to rework the entire system, which is broken by the way. Some of it has been to establish new numbers for immigrants from various European nations. Some of it has been to penalize American companies for hiring illegal workers. Some of it has been to allow a path to citizenship for those already here who have committed no crimes. Some of it has been to require learning English as part of the naturalization process.
Which part(s) of his legislation do you dislike, and how will Barrack or Hillary be any different? (Hint - they most likely won't). One of the things we have to look at is the fact that each of us who vote isn't going to get everything they want in one person. To be honest, I'm not locked in on any one of the three possible choices at this point. I intend to see who the finalists are, watch the town forums, listen to the debates, take as much into consideration as I can, and make a choice about two minutes before stepping into the booth.
Although immigration reform and border security issues are important, of far greater weight to me is the war in Iraq, the economy, American jobs, and balancing the budget and working on the national debt which has gone through the roof under George Nutjob.
March 30, 2008
8:25 AM
Anonymous writes:
yeah 7:40, that letter shows what a real bastard he is ... he acknowledges there is a problem, that people are dying and suffering, immigrants are being abused and exploited, companies are paying under the table to avoid taxation, and a bunch of other stuff ..... you're right, we should just let all that continue, and recognize him for the selfish, uncaring bastard he is
March 30, 2008
10:31 AM
Ben- Seeing through the BS writes:
"Immigrants are being used and exploited" Yea right. link it or quit spreading the fairy tale. Immigrants have rights, they are here legally. Illegal aliens on the other hand:
What you really mean is Americans are being used and exploited by illegal aliens and by traitorous anti-American left wing socio-ethnic elements and profiteering greedy right wing elements.
March 30, 2008
11:59 AM
Anonymous writes:
sure ben, there is a valid assertion that could be made that Americans are paying for illegals ... nobody is disputing that, at least that I'm hearing ... but it is true that illegals are also being exploited for cheap labor and various nefarious activities, including prostitution, illegal drugs, etc. ..... so just acknowledge both sides of it, and let's move on ... this is obviously your 'hot button' and perhaps you're willing to base your vote on one thing .... your call .... but it won't matter who you vote for, they're going to do essentially the same thing regarding immigration reform that the others would .... so it would seem to make more sense to base your vote on an issue or two that is likely to improve things for the majority of Americans, like improving the job situation and reducing the debt and then everyone will have jobs and make decent money and maybe you won't feel the impact of illegals as much .... seems like everyone I hear bitching about the job situation lately also drives a Japanese car, watches a Chinese TV, wears Taiwan clothes, and buys cheap plastic crap from Korea, Viet Nam, and other parts of Asia via Wal-Mart .... and that's not the illegals fault
March 30, 2008
2:19 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
11:59- You are trying to hide the 500 lb. gorilla in the closet, so to speak. I am simply looking down the road in an attempt to be proactive in regards to the future of my children, our country, heritage and culture.
One needn't even look closely to understand illegal immigration correlates directly to probably all our domestic problems. Name a condition domestically that is not effected by illegal immigration. Then we will play connect the dots.
March 30, 2008
2:34 PM
John writes:
Okay, so he's introduced immigration reform since 2003 - your point is?
Bush and McCain is rewarding illegals by eventually allowing them to become legal residents. This is Amnesty. It will encourage more to pour across the borders. How can they allow this to happen? Illegal is illegal.
At least the other candidates don't talk about making them legal (at least yet)
March 30, 2008
2:48 PM
Anonymous writes:
I understand Ben ... and I don't even disagree with you .... what I'm thinking though is that all three major candidates are for the same (essentially) thing in immigration reform .... it goes like this
- allow them to stay
- provide a path to citizenship
- make them part of the system
- tax their wages
none of them provide a way to actually stop the flow of new illegals ... the bullshit barrier will never be completed and I think you and I both know that ... I too am concerned about the future of my nation, and providing a country where my children can grow and prosper ... but let me ask you this question .. if we drive ourselves even further into debt by trying to locate, process, and deport (including transportation) 20 million people, will that be an acceptable cost? I know you will say there are measures we can take to make them leave on their own, and I agree .... to a point .. you're not going to get even three quarters of them to leave willingly ... why do I believe that? because I've asked probably three dozen if they would leave under any circumstance, and most have said they will stay until they are literally physically removed from the country..... why? because what they have here is so much better than back home, they'd rather put up with being harassed by government agencies, people who hate them being here, and a troubled economy .... one told me he'd just have another cerveza and wait for a job to open.... My other thought is that the other issues that have been mentioned are of greater importance ... Iraq for example ... the shrub has to get us out before much longer, or he'll single-handedly bankrupt our nation ... he's causing far more damage than the illegals, so let's start with fixing that, then maybe we'll have money for a fence.
and john, all three candidates have voted for the various immigration reform bills that provide what is essentially amnesty, though it's really not a total amnesty ... there are fines to be paid by the illegals and the company's that hired them, so they're just as 'for it' as McCain.... look, I don't like the path to citizenship for cheaters either .... but you've got to prioritize what to work on first, second, and third because so much is broken .... and our law-makers don't see rounding up and deporting as a reasonable and feasible course of action or they would have done it already .... the majority of Congress WANTS the illegals to stay but they just haven't agreed on how they can hoodwink it by us yet .... so tell your representatives where you stand and demand they listen to you
March 30, 2008
2:58 PM
Anonymous writes:
sorry .... it should say that not even one quarter of them will leave on their own, i.e. more than 3/4 would stay no matter what
March 30, 2008
4:33 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
2:48, I don't buy the appeasement/defeatist attitude
Immigration law enforcement works, it just has to be applied. Fences work, it has been proven in San Diego and Yuma and elswhere. We deport people daily 24 seven 365 days per year, yet won't secure the border with Mexico. We had Operation Jumpstart (National Guard) on the border which was so effective against illegal immigration that Bush and Co. have slowly and quietly killed off the Operation. (ends in July of 08) So they pour in by the thousands daily still.
2:48 How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
I predicted five years ago pre-war with Irag that it was a bad move. Afganistan and Bin Laden first. Now I also predict a civil war/civil unrest in the U.S. Why? illegal immigration. We need to act now and decisively by enforcing our laws.
It is myth that illegal aliens come here penniless and empty handed. Most leave their countries of origin with return/support systems in place. Just like when they get into trouble with the law here, they pick up the family and boogie back to Mexico. Enforce immigration law and the same thing will happen.
Your quote "I've asked probably three dozen if they would leave under any circumstance, and most have said they will stay until they are literally physically removed from the country....." So what are you waiting for? call ICE on them! Then do it again, and again. Pretty soon 3 dozen that you didn't call on will go back to Mexico for X-Mas and magicaly repatriate themselves. Repeat process.
March 30, 2008
5:22 PM
Anonymous writes:
I've actually been wondering if ICE does any enforcement to speak of ... other than if some business owner ticks off someone in government, and ICE is called in for a little payback..... aside from that, I drive by these construction sites every morning and every night, and the illegals that have put my friends out of work are there, and it just appears that ICE turns their heads, and the government doesn't do anything real to make it stop..... to be honest, I wasn't aware I could call ICE ... have you done it?
March 30, 2008
5:36 PM
jay writes:
Hola Ninos. checking in from playa. can't say that i miss denver at the given moment. it was a better winter than last year...but it still wan't good. about 3 tequila shots and a dozen geers into my day. looking at rain next saturday on my flight out...just in time. heading to akumal tomorrow...if anyone has any good tips on the area let me know. for the faithful..i have to say that the local bud isn't what i'm used to...but then we're spoile having access to f.collis and boulder. as far as romney...that's no surprise...ostensibly mccain clashed with mt dobson but his chioce of vp shores up his standing with the religious right. he had to do it. he had to pay the toll...
March 30, 2008
6:29 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
5:22. Border Patrol. Where I originally come from (on the border) you have the Border Patrol number written on the top of your phone book if not stored in your phone. In Colorado where I live now (the area) we still use presumably legal crews and you don't see many illegal crews. I did have the opportunity to call ICE on Murphy's Developments/Construction. The ones with the clover icon. They are notorious users of illegal aliens. I didn't and wished I had. Murphy got them in and out of our town quick. ICE is severely manpower short in Colorado and usually won't do anything unless a major crime has been committed. Murder,Rape etc.
Pinochio, how many illegals did you stuff in your carry on and luggage? If you really went to Mexico that is.
March 30, 2008
7:04 PM
Jim writes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1632829/posts
"Bush Budget Scraps 9,790 Border Patrol Agents Houston Chronicle
President uses law's escape clause to drop funding for new homeland security force. Washington -- The law signed by President Bush less than two months ago to add thousands of border patrol agents along the U.S.-Mexico border has crashed into the reality of Bush's austere federal budget proposal, officials said Tuesday"
Wow this is what Bush did?
Wow
March 31, 2008
9:04 AM
KW writes:
Enforcing the law is key to addressing the illegal immigration problem and you can't wait around for the feds to get off their butts. Just ask Sheriff Joe. At least he's doing something about it.
March 31, 2008
9:59 AM
just sayin' writes:
Well Mitt does have the magic underwear. I wish I was in Mexico now, Jay. Snowed here yesterday and today. I have gone to Ixtapa twice and once to Puerta Vallarta. Great golf rates. Not familiar with Akumal.
March 31, 2008
10:08 AM
Ben 's Border Street writes:
just sayin, May I suggest an authentic taste of Mexico? Try Juarez.
March 31, 2008
10:18 AM
Anonymous writes:
McSame should choose one of the Bushes as his mate. After all, McSame is the same thing as the Bushes.
March 31, 2008
10:59 AM
just sayin' writes:
I've been to Juarez back in my college days. Border towns are quite different as it seemed like a lot of turistas looking for something that is against the law in US. My exerience is that Ixtapa (Zihuatenejo) is about the nicest place I have seen in Mexico. Way down south on the Pacific Coast. Don't know if you ever saw the Shawshank Redemption but that was where they ran away too at the end. It really is a beautiful place.
March 31, 2008
11:08 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
just sayin,
I have seen the movie and have been up and down the coast (east side) of the Sea of Cortez. It is physically a beautiful country, aside from the poor infrastructure.
March 31, 2008
11:12 AM
Tree writes:
Sayin-
This is where I want to go with 3 books, a beach chair, a Paris H. wannabe and lots of time to kill and a bankroll. Plus all the illegal stuff. I bet 8Dude has been to Phuket Island. I've read they have the best beaches in the world, hands down.
Dude- have you been there yet?
"sometimes you just have to say what the fuck." - Risky Business.
http://www.phuket.com/
March 31, 2008
1:32 PM
Anonymous writes:
LOL Tree, reminds me of the Randy Newman song, "They say money can't buy love," he says, "but it'll buy you an ounce of good cocaine and a 16-year-old girl. That might not be love, but man it feels alright."
March 31, 2008
1:45 PM
Anonymous writes:
John McAmnesty should choose one of the Bushes as his mate. After all, McAmnesty is the same thing as the Bushes
March 31, 2008
2:09 PM
Gotta luv it writes:
The Dems are really starting to show the realism of defeat in November yet they can't blame the GOP because it is amongst themselves that they self destruct.
Either way they are going to have die hard Hillary and Obama defectors voting for McCain as punishment.
McCain is in a win win situation.
March 31, 2008
2:34 PM
Easy win for Dems writes:
This is an easy win for Dems
John McWarmonger is a non starter
All they have to do is talk about 100 years of getting killed in Iraq and talk about the lies that took us there
March 31, 2008
2:34 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Tree / Sayin' - Thailand is one of the few places in Asia I've not been that I would like to see. Spent last Xmas in Nha Trang though, which was probably pretty close. Temps around 80 in December, and very warm waters. Great if you wanted to swim, or just hang on the beach. On our way back, we had a nine hour layover in Seoul, so we went into town for lunch...HUGE difference, both in temps and in culture. The Koreans are NOT at all down with biracial couples. Made me glad to finally get back on board the plane back home.
March 31, 2008
2:48 PM
Gotta luv it writes:
Hey easy win,
You do realize that the country is about 50/50 on staying and winning vs leaving in defeat don't ya?
Americans are not losers.
Liberals are the losers.
Oh and Obama is a Liberal.
March 31, 2008
3:14 PM
Anonymous writes:
WHO CARES who he picks?
The GOP is the party of PROVEN failure, and as such is now roundly ignored and rendered impotent.
March 31, 2008
3:20 PM
Anonymous writes:
In light of the Bear Stearns fiasco - notice how the Rightys have grown dead silent about "privatizing social security"?
HILARIOUS
Just another GOP bad idea exposed.
March 31, 2008
3:47 PM
DR writes:
This could be problematic for the Dems if the trend holds:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080331/pl_cq_politics/politics2694330;_ylt=ArMEX.SO_fsX5AIuBH_f4Tes0NUE
March 31, 2008
4:04 PM
Shaggy writes:
Dr,
I think the Democrats should find this alarming too.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-Mc.Cain.aspx
March 31, 2008
6:33 PM
Anonymous writes:
yeah 3:20 .... that whole Bear Stearns deal was the gop's fault because those laws hadn't been on the book for 50 freaking years already (total sarcasm) and the dems had been trying to change it all that time to avoid just this kind of thing from happening ....
March 31, 2008
6:59 PM
Anonymous writes:
lol nice post 6:33
March 31, 2008
9:00 PM
Curious writes:
Can anyone tell me why Obama's minister who has proclaimed, publicly and on DVD for sale, racist phrases against whites on and off for 20 years deserves a pass while Don Imus slips once and is figuratively lynched by black america?
March 31, 2008
11:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
Curious ... if memory serves, Imus didn't even actually make the original screw up on that thing .... I think his sidekick is the one who said, "nappy headed hoes", and Imus repeated it, very likely without even thinking ....... it was still out of place and shouldn't have been said, but Imus simply echoed the words.... Wright scripted his comments for delivery from the pulpit, and comments that he said exactly what he intended .... the hate must stop from all sides if there is to be hope of a unified peace among all members of our nation
April 1, 2008
2:09 AM
Anonymous writes:
Curious
its probably because the Rev is probably Republican.
kind of like Bushes sidekick saying Saddam has recently acquired yellowcake for nuclear weapons and bush repeating those made up lies in his state of union speech.
Thousands of Iraqis die. Thousands of Americans get wounded. Guess they get a pass too. No one holds them accountable
April 1, 2008
7:25 AM
Anonymous writes:
LOL .... hahahahaha LOL ROFLMFAO .... LOL
yeah, a republican, that's it
I sure hope you're joking because if not that may be the dumbest post of the entire time RMN has a run a blog .... and if so, then I got the appropriate laugh out of it
April 1, 2008
10:06 AM
Liberal Hypocrisy? writes:
Curious:
Could it be a royal example of
April 4, 2008
7:16 PM
Carlos Navarro writes:
Yes, of course, the business-savvy Mitt Romney would make a good running mate for the economy-disadvantaged John MacCain.
But look at the disgrace that has befallen Barak Orama for his religious associations. The same would surely happen to Romney when the news media picks up on the racist doctrines of the Mormon Church.
As narrated in the Book of Mormon, the good guys, the Nephites, were a fair-skinned people, whereas the bad guys, the Lamanites, being descendants of Cain, were punished by God with a dark skin. (Nephi 5:21, Alma 3:6) According to the Mormon prophet and leader Brigham Young, the “flat nose and black skin” of African Americans were likewise the stigma of Cain. It wasn’t until 1978 that an African American was accepted into the Church priesthood. Then there’s the Church’s history of polygamy and sexism, still much part of the Later Day Saint culture in rural Utah and Idaho. Only two women figure in the Book of Mormon, and only in minor roles.
So how could Romney explain his life-long faith to mainstream Christians?
Carlos Navarro
http://gadfly26.blogspot.com
April 7, 2008
12:19 PM
Happypappy writes:
I feel that Mitt Romney would be the very best choice that John McCain could ever make for his V.P. Check this article out as to reasons why Mitt would make such a wise choice as V.P.
http://saywhatyoureallymean.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-john-mccain-should-pick-mitt-romney.html
April 13, 2008
2:10 PM
GHarri writes:
At least McCain has the time to identify a running mate who balances his own age, ideology, geography, etc. Meanwhile, Obama has to fight every day for a nomination he's already earned. Here's how the VP process should be working on both sides:
http://digits.hrblock.com/ssDigits/digits.php?rType=1&sPath=1140&sNode=1140&uId=198
May 2, 2008
8:26 AM
Anonymous writes:
I'm voting for you Mac