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July 12, 2007 6:00 AM

Fact or Fiction?

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  • July 12, 2007

    9:37 AM

    Jacob writes:

    Baseball has always been a game of eras. If you want to put an asterisk on this current era, then put an asterisk on every game before the late 40's because blacks couldn't play in baseball. Put an asterisk next to every pitching record before 1932 when pitchers were allowed to spit on the ball, culminating in far too many 1-0 games and no home runs. In fact, put an asterisk next to every single record ever made because EVERY baseball player at one point in their career has taken amphetamines (referred to as "greenies"). Simply put, the steroids era is nothing more than another chapter in the book of baseball. There is no reason to erase any record or put asterisks next to it. All we need to do is put the years the player played next to the record and educate people on the different eras in baseball. That way people look at Cy Young's wins record with a grain of salt knowing that there were no blacks, asians, hispanics, or anybody else who wasn't white playing baseball. People neeed to calm down about this whole steroids issue. The only reason that this has all gotten out of hand is due to the fact that baseball's commissioner looks and acts like a used car salesman. By not attending Bonds' 756th home run, all he's doing is basically opening up the flood gates on the sport and allowing people like Drew to poke fun at this era. All he needs to do is come out and say "with all his legal issues, you don't think that we test this guy every day? he's been clean so far, all criticism on him is purely speculation." I wonder if we can get David Stern as MLB Commissioner. He'd fix this in 2 weeks.

  • July 12, 2007

    10:17 AM

    Tom writes:

    "People neeed to calm down about this whole steroids issue."

    Uh....no. People do not need to "calm down". People need to stop buying Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa merchandise and stop cheering these idiot cheaters.

    If Barry had not taken steroids, he would likely be well retired now with maybe 550 home runs just like a lot of players. Sammy Sosa should have walked away years ago.

    Now, about the whole "no blacks in baseball" issue....yes, I think you have a point there. But it's ancient history. We'll never know.

    Steriods is NOW. It's an issue NOW. There are, without a doubt, still players right now taking the field that are bucking the system. Some will get caught, some won't. It's all about money now. The game has become secondary.

  • July 12, 2007

    10:30 AM

    Jacob writes:

    Go back and read the post, I'm not saying we shouldn't try and catch the cheaters, that's like saying in 1942 that we shouldn't try to integrate blacks into the sport. What I'm saying is that the records should stand because they're no more tainted than any other record. I guarrantee you that Hank Aaron took greenies when he broke Ruth's record, does that mean that Ruth should be recognized as the home run king? Oh wait, we can't have Ruth be the home run king, you know why? Well guess why it's illegal to cork a bat. Yup, Ruth was notorious for corking his bat as were every player from his era. So who should be the all time home run king? Abner Doubleday? And how can you say we'll never know about blacks in baseball? There were the negro leagues where guys like Oscar Charelston (who was ranked as the 3rd greatest baseball player of all time by Sports Illustrated) and Satchel Page who were phenomenal. We KNOW for a fact how many great players MLB kept out because of race. When I say that people need to calm down is that people need to take this information with a grain of salt because there has always been some predominant issue over baseball records. I do believe that Barry Bonds took steroids, but he has never failed a test, and neither has Sammy Sosa (I don't understand why people think he took steroids, he corked his bat and I played ball with some people who were on 'roids and when you're on steroids, you feel invincible, corking a bat is the last thing they would do). When Bonds does hit #756, even with the steroids cloud hanging over him, everyone needs to take a step back and appreciate the moment. This is a record that has been broken TWICE IN THE PAST 80 YEARS, and we won't see it broken again for another at least another 7 years when A-Rod breaks it. The real villian here is not Bonds, McGwire, or Sosa. It is Bud Selig. He has given the player's union so much power that even the thought of having adequate testing is laughable. If the man actually grew a pair, he could help the game by implementing much better testing and harsher punishments and we could move out of this steroids era into a brand new one.

  • July 12, 2007

    12:54 PM

    Tom writes:

    "When Bonds does hit #756, even with the steroids cloud hanging over him, everyone needs to take a step back and appreciate the moment."

    Um...No.

    I'll appreciate the moment when Barry Bonds is no longer imposing himself on the American public and serving as a poster boy for how to cheat to get what you want in life.

    When was the last time anyone heard from Mark McGwire? I'll be happy when we hear nothing from barry Bond's mouth.

    Good riddance.

  • July 12, 2007

    12:54 PM

    Tom writes:

    "When Bonds does hit #756, even with the steroids cloud hanging over him, everyone needs to take a step back and appreciate the moment."

    Um...No.

    I'll appreciate the moment when Barry Bonds is no longer imposing himself on the American public and serving as a poster boy for how to cheat to get what you want in life.

    When was the last time anyone heard from Mark McGwire? I'll be happy when we hear nothing from Barry Bond's mouth.

    Good riddance.

  • July 12, 2007

    2:51 PM

    Jacob writes:

    Bonds' record is no more tainted than Babe Ruth's home run record. Ruth played in an era in which the competition was limited, would he still have hit all those home runs if blacks were integrated into the game? Regardless of how he got the record, as a baseball fan, one must appreciate the accomplishment. It's not like you or me could inject steroids and automatically break the all time home run record. It is a piece of baseball history that we all must appreciate in the moment. We can second guess later, but one of the most famous moments in the history of baseball is coming upon us. We can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it never happened.

  • July 12, 2007

    4:57 PM

    Bonds hater writes:

    There are ALOT more people out there that would like to see Bonds IN McCovey Cove than hit a ball into it. Bonds is such a cheater, not to mention an A%& *#^%. If he has any respect for the game and fans, he will retire now and leave Hammerin Hank the all time leader.

  • July 12, 2007

    5:00 PM

    MJ writes:

    Anyone remember when Sosa was caught on National Television with a corked bat? Every homerun he hit before that should have been erased from his stats as there was no way to prove his bats then were not corked. Now he is a cheater.

  • July 12, 2007

    11:33 PM

    Jacob writes:

    I love people who have the ability to talk intelligently about this topic. You guys are no different than all those shock jocks who pretend to be outraged because it's the popular thing to do. You have absolutely no comprehension on the subject other than "he cheated"

  • July 13, 2007

    8:55 AM

    Tom writes:

    Jacob....look in the mirror. If we sound like shock jocks, I'd think the masses would agree that you sound no different. Try paying attention to what you're typing before you hit submit, eh?

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