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May 2, 2008 9:47 PM

Avalanche: Down and Out


It's been a bleak week here in Colorado sports. First the Nuggets, then the Avs, then Tulo and then Cutler. It's enough to make you want to bury your head in a sand trap. The Avs are in need of an overhaul and they can start by NOT resigning Peter Forsberg. Embracing the future, not the past, is the only way the Avs can win another Stanley Cup.


  • May 2, 2008

    11:34 PM

    Missy writes:

    Truthfully Drew, I think Forsberg's better off retiring if he's gonna be on the DL more times then he plays. As for Tulo, it's a shame what happen to him but hopefully with this injury it'll give him time to relax, focus and regain his 2007 form.

  • May 3, 2008

    8:36 PM

    Penfold writes:

    Avs fans should not expect a winning team for at least 4-5 seasons, minimum. Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Brunette, Arnason, Liles, Sauer, Theodore, and many others will/should be gone.
    The Avalanche are going to need to go the route of the Caps, Penguins, Blackhawks, and a few others. In otherwords, have a fire sale/ salary dump and start over.
    Will this be good for attendance? Nope. Not a bit.
    Will the Avalanche have a ton of it's fanbase walk away? Yes.
    Is it necessary? You bet.

    The Avs need to play the young guys. Period. They need to finish dead last in the league or in the bottom 5 for a few years. Why? Because they need high draft picks. They need the high draft picks to draft top-level players and also to use some of the high picks as trade bait to acquire some new talent.

    Of course, what they need to do is not what will happen, because this team always wants to shoot for the moon. Liles said it during an interview after the Avs were eliminated:

    If the Avs don't win the Stanley Cup, then the season has been a failure.

    That kind of thinking is why the Avs are where they are right now.

  • May 5, 2008

    9:00 AM

    {-=m2=-} writes:

    The AVS definitely need to get younger, but going the way of the Caps/Pens/'Hawks is not an absolute necessity.

    Look at the Flyers, they were a league worst 56 points last season. A few *YOUNG* pickups, and boom, Eastern Conference Finals.

    Look at the Red Wings and Stars, they've kept the championship hockey level up without having to collect top five draft picks. It is possible.

    The AVS have some good building blocks. They need to step up the scouting and development efforts, and, like all professional teams are realizing now (this means you Broncos), continue to build through the draft and smart free agency moves (which hasn't been their strong suit).

  • May 5, 2008

    11:54 AM

    Bill writes:

    Yeah. The Flyers.

    The Flyers were gifted just about everything in their Series against Washington. There were SEVERAL high sticking infractions that Philly committed and the refs just turned their eyes away. How does a Caps player get high sticked with the result being that his face is COVERED in blood, and no penalty gets called? How does Kozlov get a penalty for goalie interference when he's in alone on a breakaway and gets shoved into the Philly goalie by a PHILLY defenseman? (The Caps should have had a power play for the last 2 minutes of regulation. Instead, they have to kill a bogus penalty and end up losing in OT.)
    Then in the same series, a Philly player steamrolls Huet by shoving a Caps defenseman into Huet, thus leaving a gaping net for a Philly goal.

    Total crap. The NHL should be ashamed of it's officiating.

    I hope the Philly/Pitt series goes 7 games and the 7th game goes 23 overtimes, leaving both squads totally spent and unable to continue playing. Just forfeit the Cup to either Detroit or Dallas. At least those clubs got where they were on hard work. The Flyers cheated, and the Penguins got there on Gary Bettman's orders.

  • May 5, 2008

    12:00 PM

    mxt writes:

    If the NHL continues with its current rules, it will continue to lose fans, period. It's terrible hockey. It's boring to watch. This was supposed to be a 'wide-open, high-scoring' brand of hockey after the ridiculous lockout. It isn't. Plus, Forsberg still gets mauled every time he's on the ice and gets called for more penalties than he draws. It's no wonder he's had so many injuries over his career.

    As for the Avs, I disagree with all of you. The Avs need tough, fast defensemen who will HIT someone instead of letting the opposition have free reign in their zone. The offense is fine, and Joey can play as long as he wants to.

  • May 5, 2008

    12:55 PM

    Bob writes:

    The NHL pulled a fast one on everyone.

    First, they fail to protect both Winnepeg's and Quebec's franchises, but bend over backwards to protect the Penguins and Predators.
    Then they lock everyone out, claiming they are losing money.
    Then they put in place a salary cap.
    Because of the cap, loads of players move to other teams.
    Then the NHL, in it's infinite wisdom, just brings the salary cap back up to almost the level it was when all this crap began.


    I can't even imagine how much money Uncle Gary and his cohorts made on this fiasco.

    The NHL sucks.

  • May 5, 2008

    1:48 PM

    Jay writes:

    The NHL has had the worst officiating of any of the major pro sports for going on 20 years.
    The problem is twofold. The refs can't make a legit judgement call and the NHL keeps changing its rules every 3 minutes.

    I cannot see how this league pulls in new fans? It's a horrible product.

  • May 5, 2008

    5:02 PM

    Thrawn writes:

    I agree with mxt. Pittsburgh turned into a playoff team and then a contender for the Cup in three years after having the first overall pick. Granted, you need a first pick to land a Crosby, but it shows that we do not have to sit for 5 years in mediocrity.

    I also agree that if the Avs stop allowing teams to skate around their zone for five minutes at a time, they would be a lot better of a team. The offense is fine with their mixture of veterans and young players.

  • May 5, 2008

    6:24 PM

    Kurt writes:

    Forsberg does not get mauled. That type of comment is just another fine example of homerism by bandwagon Avalanche followers.
    Forsberg is a diver. Because he's a diver, he has lost all the respect he once had in the NHL.
    Forsberg is loved by Avalanche fans and that's it. No one else outside of Colorado has any respect whatsoever for Forsberg. He was quoted as saying the reason that he came back to Colorado was that "Avs fans would go easier on me while I return from injury."
    Wow. Guess we can see how Peter paid you back for your patience. A 2nd round exit where you all get swept by your "arch rival."
    By the way, Red Wings/Avalanche is NOT A RIVALRY anymore. Okay. Get that through your heads Colorado. To be a rivalry, both teams actually have to beat one another from time to time. The Avs didn't win in EIGHT tries this year.

  • May 6, 2008

    12:38 AM

    Josh writes:

    Kurt, if thats what you think about peter you have no hockey knowledge what so ever. We dont care about a rivalry, however the overall playoff record is 3-3. Sounds kinda competetive to me.

  • May 6, 2008

    12:41 AM

    Josh writes:

    On a side note, a lot of the AVS problems could be fixed by firing the coach's and changing the deffensive system.

  • May 6, 2008

    7:49 AM

    Jeremy writes:

    Back on topic with the cartoon:
    1) Forsberg is only 34. He COULD get healed up and be great next year, but he COULD just as easily spend the year on the DL. I was happy to see him come back, regardless of results, and I'll be happy to see him take his well-deserved ride into the sunset.
    2) The Avs already have a lot of young talent. They need to continue to play that talent, let their team build experience and continuity, and reap the benefits.
    3) Losing is not necessary to get good picks. A much more preferable option is to have a good scouting crew so that you make the most out of the picks you do have.

    That being said, the Avs have fallen a good bit from a few years ago, but if fighting for the 8th seed is as low as they go, that's not so bad. Here's hoping a couple wise decisions with the salary cap and a little more experience gained by their young players will be enough to move forward next year.

  • May 6, 2008

    1:50 PM

    Matthew writes:

    3-3 doesn't matter.

    The recent numbers that have meaning right now are 4-0 and 8-0.

    The fact is that the Avs are going nowhere, and the Wings just keep moving forward.

    There are actual posts on the Avs website where fans are screaming for the team to re-sign David Aebiescher. That's unreal. What's next? Getting Claude Lemieux? Theo Fleury?

    Cripes sake. The fanbase of this team is completely stuck in the past. This is 2008. Wak up Avs fans! Joe Sakic is going away. Peter Forsberg is going away. Patrick Roy is gone and he's not coming back. The "Glory Years" when the Avs could buy their Cups are gone. This is a new NHL, and the Avs are struggling to adapt. There is a rebuild on the horizon. Get used to the idea, because it's reality.

  • May 6, 2008

    2:53 PM

    Realist writes:

    Don't pay attention to Josh. He's little more than a bandwagon Avs fan who's just a tad upset at not having anything to cheer about. The Avs get swept. The Nuggets get swept. The Rockies get swept. And the Broncos can't even make the postseason.
    It's sad times in Denver.

  • May 6, 2008

    3:31 PM

    Charlie writes:

    With young guns like Wolski and Stastny, I think the Avs have a bright youthful future. But, they need to stay healthy.

  • May 6, 2008

    4:03 PM

    Sean writes:

    The Avalanche team is made of glass. This is not a team that can stay healthy.

    They cannot hope to compete for a Stanley cup for at least 5-10 years. They need to roll the entire roster over. That takes a lot of time. They must build through the draft. Please, please, no more free agent signings. Smyth & Hannan were complete busts.

  • May 7, 2008

    2:31 AM

    Josh writes:

    way more than a band wagon fan. I am just able to step back and look at thing logically. The avs and their fans are trying to fix the wrong things, and thats all I am saying. I love all hockey, and do not live and die by the avs, but since they have been in town I have always cheered them on. But, because I played and still ref., I have a good deal of knowledge and I have never seen a team not play man to man "D" have success. That decision is made by the coach, and when Det. exploited that the coach did not adjust. Injuries may have affected things, but where was the team in game 2? Most the star players were in at that point.

  • May 7, 2008

    2:36 AM

    Josh writes:

    You are right about goaltending. The avs have not had an answer since roy left, but they need to find it soon. There is no doubt det. is a good team, but just that a good team. If any of the top 7 western or eastern confrence teams were in the weak sorry excuse of a division det. is in they would have about the same amount of success as det. Again, det is good, and the cup is theirs to loose, but any team could have that much regular season success as det. if the were in that division.

  • May 7, 2008

    2:38 AM

    Josh writes:

    you are right about smyth being a complete bust, but hannon did not have any help until footer and salei got here. He had way to much pressure to be the shut down man that he couldnt play his game, plus the system is horrible.

  • May 7, 2008

    1:04 PM

    James writes:

    The Avs should keep:


    The Avs should get rid of and/or replace:

    Everyone else.

  • May 7, 2008

    1:08 PM

    NorthOfTheBorder writes:

    The Avalanche should trade their entire NHL and AHL rosters to Pittsburgh for Malkin.

    That might give them a head start on the rebuild.

  • May 8, 2008

    1:47 AM

    Josh writes:

    while how good stastny was last year and this year in the regular season can not be debated, what did he do in the playoffs? Nothing.

  • May 8, 2008

    8:53 AM

    LHR writes:

    Statsny is next to worthlesss. He's not his dad, and he's not his uncle. I laugh everytime someone says he's going to replace Sakic as Captain.
    Be serious people. He's a 15-20 goal, 30-35 assist player. His numbers will also certianly go down from those totals once he no longer has Sakic and company doing his work for him.
    It would be wise for the Avs to trade him for a couple of draft picks while they can. He's damaged goods with a torn up knee anyway.

  • May 8, 2008

    9:59 AM

    Bob in Boulder writes:


    Stastny is worthless? Fyi, he points per game are far better than Zetterberg's or Datsuyk's were at similar stages of their careers. The kid has been nothing short of amazing since going straight from DU to the bigs. I don't know if I've ever seen a more stupid comment than yours in a hockey discussion. Seriously, what are you, just another worthless RW fan troll?

  • May 8, 2008

    12:45 PM

    Mike writes:

    While Statsny isn't worthless (weird comment), I would probably agree with anyone who would say that he's not going to be the "franchise player" the Avs need to replace Sakic at some point. That badge will be placed on someone else at some point. Paul will be a decent 2nd line center, adn will probably have a pretty long career if he stays healthy.
    The Avs currently have no player in their system that is destined to be a franchise player. They'll have to find that in a trade somehow. Ryan Smyth is not it.
    I imagine that the Avs will be making a big trade within the next year. I think you'll see a package of players shipped off for someone like Rick Nash or a similar player.
    The Colorado fanbase will not survive Joe Sakic's retirement very well without having a franchise player to slide into his spot in the lineup.
    This town demands perfection.

  • May 8, 2008

    2:31 PM

    Gary writes:

    Just wondering, but has Carmelo Anthony been arrested today? Seems like it's been long enough since his last bust.
    Come on Carmelo. You're slacking off. Rob a bank. Run a red light. Trespass. Something. Please. Your reputation as a thug is at stake. Get on the stick.

  • May 8, 2008

    3:53 PM

    Rob writes:

    Awesome comment Gary. Thanks for the good laugh.

  • May 9, 2008

    1:55 PM

    Josh writes:

    Well, the team is on the right path with the firing of coach "Q" today. Thank god someone has commonsense

  • May 9, 2008

    3:14 PM

    Tom's not fooling anyone writes:

    Tom has obviously decided to start posting again--only under a variety of other names. I'm sure someday he'll just tell us how this is another "research project" (that we'll never see published).

  • May 9, 2008

    4:51 PM

    Sean writes:

    Who's Tom?

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