Posted by Drew Litton at 9:21 PM
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December 13, 2008
Thank the Hockey Gods.
Joe Sakic's time with the Avalanche is finally over. By the time he would be ready to return, the Avalanche will be far out of any kind of playoff picture.
Now, finally, the city of Denver and it's fair-weather fans are paying the price for buying Stanley Cups and stealing an NHL team from Quebec instead of going through the normal routine of building and expansion franchise. Now, you have your "expansion franchise". How do you like it? Oh, you don't like a .500 team? Really? Well, now you finally know what it's like to have an NHL team that has to play by the same rules as everyone else. The problem is, that the Avalanche don't know how to play by those rules. All they know how to to when it comes to winning, is to buy it. Now, they're not allowed to do that, and times are tough. Boo-hoo.
The Avalanche has so over-valued their farm system, it's almost not funny.
Chris Stewart? He'll be a flash in the pan and will be a memory within a year or two.
Cody McLeod? Cody McCormick? Complete wastes of roster spots.
And don't even get me started on Svatos and Wolski. The only thing consistent about Svatos is that he'll get injured every year. Wolski? Worthless.
And Peter "Five Hole" Budaj? Do I really need to go there?
So, goodbye Sakic. Go home to Vancouver.
Oh, and one more thing Avs fans....
Peter Forsberg is not coming through that locker room door. Get that through your heads. He's about as useful as Sakic is right now.
Wake up and realize that you now have a crappy NHL team in Denver for at least the next decade.
Michael, I would say that your comment borders on insanity, but really, you are insane. So much vitriol so early in the morning. Maybe you need to get a life.
Is it actually possible for the Rocky Mountain News to notify the police about this "Michael" poster? Can the Rocky give this person's IP Address out to the authorities and have him at least tracked down detained and questioned, if not outright arrested? Sounds like this needs to happen.
WorkingClassHero was speaking on the Avalanche situation. Michael has crossed the line into dangerous psychotic territory.
Let's have a pity party for WorkingClassHero who believes that slamming the home team or players comes without consequences. I don't wish any direct harm on him - simply that whatever team(s) he can root for - which he is clearly to gutless to identify - start experiencing season-ending injuries for their players as well.
So, you're actually going to slam on WorkingClassHero and say nothing of what Micheal posted?
What's wrong with you?
And Micheal - You are a sick individual. I hope you have someone nearby who can get you some serious help. I'm going to tell you straight. You have a mental disorder. You are dangerous. Seek help.
I'll be removing Michael's comments shortly. This is a note to everyone here. # 1...It's the holiday season, be kind to each other.
#2 I won't allow negative postings of this kind on this blog as long as I have it. With the current state of the newspaper industry being so gloomy, I'm focused on being positive in the midst of tremendous upheaval both professionally and personally. I don't intend to allow negative comments to unravel into this. Stay on topic. Be kind. Or you be won't be allowed to post.
The problem that some of you have with WCH, is that he's right. You don't have to agree with his style, but he's right.
If I had to guess, WCH is likely from Canada. He's also likely a hockey fan based in Quebec, which is why he doesn't like the Avalanche. The Avalanche did in fact take the Quebec Nordiques away from Quebec. Right or wrong, there are still a load of people in Canada that are still very angry about that. Add in that the Avalanche never pay homage to the Nordiques, and there's even more reason for Canadians to dislike the Avalanche.
The Avalanche have far overvalued their young players. Svatos, Wolski and many others have not performed even close to the standards that the Avalanche would like.
Joe Sakic very likely may never play another game for the Avalanche. Fans in Denver need to get used to that idea. It seems that there are far too many people who just refuse to accept that the Avalanche are going to be a bad team for a while. It happens to every single franchise in every single sport at some point.
And yes, Micheal. You really need professional help.
Good post WCH.
Finally, a hockey fan who isn't afraid to express how incredibly spoiled rotten the city of Denver has been in regards to the Avalanche. This city was given a ready-made Stanley Cup contender. People in Denver never would have been able to deal with an expansion franchise here. Instant winning. That's all these people can deal with. So, now that the shoe is on the other foot, and the team is average or below average, people in Denver don't care about the Avalanche. What a bunch of brats.
I've noticed the Game Day threads on the Avs website have dwindled down to nothing. The Avs can't sell out games anymore. And it has next to nothing to do with the economy. It has to do with a bunch of fair weather fans who can't support a team when things aren't so rosy. But guaranteed, if the Avs somehow dig thmeselves out of this mess and recover, people will suddenly reappear and state "I always believed in them!"
People in Denver are so constantly living in the past that it's disgusting. Drury, Roy, Forsberg, and now Sakic. Give me a break. Start realizing that teams have ups and downs, and that now after over a decade of success, the Avs are on a downward slide and may be for several years to come. Deal with it. Every other NHL city has in the past. What entitles Denver to always have a winning hockey team? Just because....???
Right. Denver needs a new breed of hockey fan.
Canada should get over losing the Nordiques. Canada took the Flames from Atlanta, New Jersey took the Devils from Colorado (remember "Rocky Hockey" in the 70's?) along with countless other franchise moves throught the years.
Whoa whoa whoa, everyone just calm down.
First off, WCH, this whole notion of buying cups.... Bro, that's the way the NHL was. We didn't do anything illegal, or underhanded. If you think teams should build talent and bring them up through the ranks, then fine, that's how you'd build your team. But the AVS brought talent in, and it was successful, bottom line. Then then whole NHL changed it's structure, and the AVS got bit. They mortgaged the future because it was better to build that way then, and now it's not.
Sure the team we have this year isn't anything what it once was, but just last year the AVS were in the Conference semi-finals. I know, we got hammered by a fantastic Detroit team, but everyone has to admit, last year's team overachieved, and yes, Forsberg walked through that door last year.
Bob, we didn't steal anyone. Again, the old NHL couldn't support teams in locations like Quebec City and Winnipeg. I would love for teams to return there. Fans there would probably be more loyal in a down year like this year, but bottom line was, before revenue sharing, those cities couldn't support those teams.
The only fan base that has any argument about a team being stolen are the North Stars fans.
Finally, this absurd notion that we owe our teams our undying support no matter how bad or good they are, like we took some sort of marital vow and death do us part. Personally, I think the fool is the person that will continue to spend money on a sub par team (I stuck with them through the down years!!!) The Avalanche give us no reason to spend money to see them this year, and you know what, it shows in the attendance. They say sports is in the entertainment business, and you know what? If you're not entertaining, I'm not coming to watch, and if you are, then I'm there. I say, "right on fair weather fan, what has a team ever done for you (other than build stadiums with your tax dollars and continue to raise ticket prices)?"
The Plain Truth:
Colorado Avalanche fans are the most fairweather, ego-driven fans of any in the NHL, and now they can't handle tough times.
What a joke of a fanbase. You either stick with your team, or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If you can't handle the Avs through tough times, then go watch cage fighting and leave the NHL to us real fans.
December 14, 2008
Merry Christmas and holidays everyone!
I had to start with something cheery. OK, on to the hockey.
Cassie: not all Avs fans are "ego-driven". I moved from CO 4 years ago and still watch the games and fly to Denver to see the avs. But yes, there are fair weather fans in every sport. Look at the Rockies.
WCH: I admire your passion, but it is misplaced. The Nordiques were built from a farm system and due to the lack of fan support and revenue the had to move. If you recall, the Nordiques sucked big time in the 80's and early 90's and then they made it into the playoffs the year before they came to Denver. Farm style build up. I think you are still bitter about Roy being moved from Montreal. Don't be mad at the Avs, be mad at Mario Tremblay.
Finally, it is sad to see Sakic, one of Denver's best and most kind sports heroes, go down. He will likely finish a hall of fame career this year. Joe, thanks for the memories. We will miss you.
Also, if anybody has Michael's post I would like to read it. If you do have it, reply that you do and I will send you an address.
Well, I for one am very happy that Sakic is finally at the point where he can retire. It's about time the Avalanche moved on without him. From here out, it will be interesting to see how this team survives without it's "face" player. I just do not see good things for this franchise for a long time. They're going to have to spend several years buliding through the draft now. The economy just will not allow the Avalanche to throw stupid contracts at free agents like they did with Ryan Smyth. And Paul Stastny's contract is going to prove to be a major mistake.
Tha Avs are in big trouble.
December 15, 2008
WCH, here is my 2 cents. Some of what you say is fact, some of what you say is opinion. All of what you say could be said in a better, less combative, elitist, know-it-all jerk off kind of way. I guess that has become the way of the internet bloggers, be nasty, insulting and lose perspective because it is more important to be a jerk and get attention, huh?
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