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January 12, 2009 9:30 PM

The Broncos New Kid on the Block

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Opie?
Don't you get the distinct feeling you've seen Josh McDaniels somewhere before? Opie? Beaver Cleaver? There certainly are similarities. But the guy he most reminds me of is Mike Shanahan himself. OK...Maybe Mike Shanahan at, say, age 11. But you get the idea.

Who really cares how old he is...can he draft a decent defensive lineman?
That, of course is the million dollar question. Maybe the Broncos hiring a new head coach isn't quite as important as hiring the right GM. Shanahan more than held his own as a head coach. It was his personnel decisions that finally caught up with him. That will fall under the job description of whoever takes over in the front office. That's the key piece of the puzzle.



Discussion

  • January 13, 2009

    7:11 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Next year's Broncos will be the next team to go 0-16.

  • January 13, 2009

    7:37 AM

    Bob writes:

    Yeah, we get it, he's young. Quit beating it into the ground.

  • January 13, 2009

    8:38 AM

    J writes:

    I don't understand why everyone is clamoring for a GM? The Goodmans and Xanders got promoted into their current roles last year. Subsequently, didn't we have a good draft last year? Admittedly, free agency went poorly. (Which is more an indictment of free agency than of the management, as any player who gets on the open market is usually going to be overpaid relative to production, and therefore is always risky.)
    I guess what I'm saying is, if we look at last year, the only year of data available for the new personnel people, aren't they already doing a fair/good job?
    I also agree with Bob's comment. Why is it that columnists say things like "Who cares how old he is?" and then proceed to attack him for his age? Don't be a hypocrite. If you think his age is a "negative", than freely say so, but don't speak out of both sides of your mouth.

    On the topic of McDaniels, Bowlen has shown over time to be a good owner- smart, gutsy, dedicated, and willing to spend. As a fan, I have to trust his judgment in this case. Hopefully it will work out well, and if not, Bowlen will be the first one pushing for change. Regardless, I'll root on the Broncos.

  • January 13, 2009

    8:38 AM

    Jeremy writes:

    I don't understand why everyone is clamoring for a GM? The Goodmans and Xanders got promoted into their current roles last year. Subsequently, didn't we have a good draft last year? Admittedly, free agency went poorly. (Which is more an indictment of free agency than of the management, as any player who gets on the open market is usually going to be overpaid relative to production, and therefore is always risky.)
    I guess what I'm saying is, if we look at last year, the only year of data available for the new personnel people, aren't they already doing a fair/good job?
    I also agree with Bob's comment. Why is it that columnists say things like "Who cares how old he is?" and then proceed to attack him for his age? Don't be a hypocrite. If you think his age is a "negative", than freely say so, but don't speak out of both sides of your mouth.

    On the topic of McDaniels, Bowlen has shown over time to be a good owner- smart, gutsy, dedicated, and willing to spend. As a fan, I have to trust his judgment in this case. Hopefully it will work out well, and if not, Bowlen will be the first one pushing for change. Regardless, I'll root on the Broncos.

  • January 13, 2009

    11:09 AM

    Serge writes:

    what we need is someone who can take care of defense!

  • January 13, 2009

    11:54 AM

    Thrawn writes:

    I would like to know what makes so many people think they are not paying attention to the defensive needs of the Broncos just because the head coach is an offensive guy (albeit with defensive experience?) I realize poeple are disappointed that they did not get Cowher or some other glammorous name. Getting a defensive guy does not mean a major improvement on defense by next year either. Everyone called Marvin Lewis a genius and look where the Bengals are now.

    The Broncos need someone to help improve the defense? Really?! No kidding!? Look, I'm pretty sure they are working on it. They got one of their biggest obstacles out of the way and the fate of the defense is not going ot rest almost solely on the shoulders of McDaniels as it did with Shanahan. I never did like scenarios where the GM and the coach were the same guy because they tend to stick with "their" guys a little longer when it is obvious the player isn't panning out just to prove how smart they were. I sort of felt that way with the Brian Griese scenario.

    I agree with the guy in the other cartoon thread who said that even if we get a defense first guy, it is going to take awhile to rebuild the defense when almost everyone on the current defense should probably go.

    I think Bowlen made a good move. He picked a coach who has experience on both sides of the ball, and one who learned under arguably the best couch in the league today. (All cheating accusations aside.)

  • January 13, 2009

    12:56 PM

    David writes:

    Your going to miss drawing Mike Shannahan, aren't you Drew?

  • January 13, 2009

    1:10 PM

    incognitoboy writes:

    nah, drew will enjoy more 'kid-with-a-cap-sitting-in-a-carseat' jabs and 'mini mike' insults for awhile.

    i'm guessing he's already got plans for his 'first loss' cartoon involving mickey-d wearing a dunce cap being sent to 'principal bowlen' office by the coach that handed him his defeat.

    drew - feel free to use that idea if you like it!

  • January 13, 2009

    1:50 PM

    dude writes:

    I think all of you take life way to seriously and think way too highly of yourselves.

    The Bronco needed a wake up call and they got it! If they break 500 next year it would suprise me but it won't be because of McDaniels. It will be becuase it takes time to fix a mess like the Broncos defense.

    How's about a little optimism?

  • January 13, 2009

    3:21 PM

    Even Cooler Dude writes:

    I was one of the first to cast a stone against "Baby Spygate", and I really hope that I am wrong. But its a fact, Cutler will be the first Broncos QB to throw for 30 TD's, in that ridiculous offense, B-Marsh and Royal Wit Cheese will have 10 TD'S and 1000 yrds each, Champ and Bly will continue to get burned, and DJ will probably get traded for a couple late draft picks and Mike Nolan will try to draft 2-4 players from USC to work in his 3-4 scheme.

    But believe me when Coach Mac beats the Pats, and "The Hoodie" gives him a cold handshake like the classless punk that he is, Bronco Nation will be at "Young Hoodie's" side, or when Phillip Rivers throws his hissy fit cause the Broncos are just a decent linebacker and safety away from shutting him down, Bronco Nation will be the most supportive fan base as they've been and always will be.

    Listen, this isn't Cleveland, where the tradition is to blow big games and miss the playoffs every year. This isn't the Jets, where their "savior" and coach got run out of town by a bunch of idiot no name players, and it's not North Bend, where young talented football players have a better chance to play for a National Championship at USC,Florida, the U, Oklahoma, and Texas.

    This is the Denver Broncos, where in only once in 26 years, we miss the playoffs 3 years in a row, and you have one the best offenses already put in place for you, and all you have to is give them plays that are actually successfull. Where all you have to do is make the worst in defense in Broncos history just good enough to beat an aging and crying San Diego to win the division.

    Sure the other "Hoodie" assistants weren't successful, but look at the the programs they went to. Coach Mac, "Young Hoodie", "Baby Spygate", whatever you want to call him, he will bring more divisional titles here the Shananhan did,(3) and as far as Super Bowls, that will be up to the players, and how badly do they want it.

  • January 13, 2009

    6:38 PM

    Bruce writes:

    The Broncos won't be better than 3-13 next season. That's a straight fact. This team is going to stink to high heaven for a long time folks.
    No way this defense gets better, and Cutler will become so disgruntled that he'll end up benched or traded by season's end.

  • January 13, 2009

    10:12 PM

    Brad writes:

    Josh McDaniels was successful in New England because of two things:

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Bill Belichick.

    That's all. Nothing McDaniels did had anything to do with New England's success. He was a caddie.

    McDaniels was by far the absolute worst possible choice for a head coach. The absolute worst.

  • January 14, 2009

    8:52 AM

    Another Michael writes:

    Brad would be right if he was parked remotely close to the driving range .....

    1.) Tom Brady was out all last year -- and yet the Pats ended up with a 11-5 record under a QB that hasn't won a game since high school....

    2.) Bill Belichick doesn't call offensive plays -- he's a defensive coach ergo .... who else is calling the offensive plays that led them to a 11-5 record??

    To say McDaniels did nothing about the success in New England merely taints your rose colored glasses that he did nothing but sit in his office playing solitaire all day long.....

  • January 14, 2009

    9:40 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Mcdaniels gets credit for being an offensive genius because of Tom Brady. It's Tom Brady's show in New England, not Josh McDaniels'. McDaniels didn't do anything in New England, except ride the coat tails of the best quarterback in NFL history and the greatest NFL coach since Vince Lombardi.
    McDaniels is going to absolutely ruin Jay Cutler, and Nolan is going to be the cause of Champ Bailey leaving Denver for greener pastures.
    Have fun in last place in the AFC West.

  • January 14, 2009

    10:40 AM

    rx writes:

    Anon/Brad,

    Seriously, are you pretending like this season didn't happen??? Do you think that Brady changed his name to Cassel and wore a different number this season? Get real!!! The McDaniels/Cassel led Patriots wiped the floor with the Broncos this season. It wasn't the Pats D, it was the offense. What about this do you not understand? It seems very simple to me.

    Also, if all he did was ride Brady's coattails, how is he going to ruin Cutler? Following your logic, Cutler would be on his own to either ruin himself or succeed on his own, because the coach would have no input either way. I could see your argument if McDaniels had taken over the offense and Brady imploded. But thats not how it happened, is it? No. McDaniels took over and Brady proceeded to have the greatest season in history for a quarterback. Then, the very next season, Brady gets hurt (your "best quarterback in NFL history") and the Pats still win 11 games behind a qb who hasn't even started a game since high school. And you want to tell me that doesn't have anything to do with the guy calling the plays? Puh-lease.

    Plus, Champ is signed for at least the next two seasons. How, pray tell, is he going to leave for "greener pastures"?

    I thought this board was for Bronco FANS. If you hate the Broncos so bad (I actually think you're just disgruntled Patriots fans), then leave. You people drive me nuts. Let's have a little Bronco optimism here. Cripes.

  • January 14, 2009

    11:45 AM

    Thrawn writes:

    He was successful because of Brady? It is quite possible that Tom Brady is the one that has benefitted from a good system. The Broncos had that with their running game when they had a good stretch of years where the Broncos plugged in a different RB every years and they got between 1000 to 1500 yards. What did Olandis gary, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns do once they left? Not much.

    Now in NE we see Matt Cassel winning games in Brady's absence? Maybe it's time to consider their system as being a major reason for their success. It is looking like Brady might be a very good quarterback in a great system. Besides, during all those superbowl years, he also had one of the top defenses in the league as well. That would help someone's record. McDaniels was right in the middle of all of that. Belichek did not coach the team all by himself, nor did he need to. He had a system for grooming coaches too as evidenced by him having McDaniels on the defensive side earlier in his career.

    The more I think about it, the more I am liking this move.

  • January 14, 2009

    6:22 PM

    Kevin writes:

    This forum is not just for Bronco fans, Rx.

    It's for everyone, as long as Drew and the RMN has it online. Please stop acting like you run this blog. You don't.

    As for McDaniels, I am not a fan of this move. The Broncos are seriously going to regret not bringing in a top defensive mind to be the head coach here. Offensive coordinators like McDaniels can be found anywhere. And in case you haven't noticed, defense is what wins Super Bowls. If offense won, then New Orleans wouldn't be sitting at home. Nolan is a total disaster waiting to happen, especially when you take the defensive roster the Broncos have in place.

    My pick for the Broncos record against the schedule they have for this coming season:

    4-12 or 5-11 at the very best.

  • January 14, 2009

    8:25 PM

    rx writes:

    Oh yeah, this board is for people who don't know anything about football.

    OC's like McDaniels can be found anywhere, huh? Once again...999 points in 2 seasons. In 2007 opposing teams were routinely upset at the Patriots for scoring TOO MUCH. In 2008 they started a qb who hadn't started since high school and won 11 games (including the infamous slaughter of the bronx). The Pats protect the ball and score touchdowns, two things the broncos did not do well this season.

    Why is Nolan a disaster waiting to happen? Last I checked he changed the Ravens D from a 4-3 to a 3-4 before taking the 49er job. How has that worked out for them? Yep, AFC championship game. Some coaches are better suited as coordinators. Dick LeBeau failed miserably as a head coach. Where is he now? Oh yeah, the DC for the #1 defense in the NFL. What about Jim Johnson? Who? Oh yeah, the Eagles DC. Never a head coach, but widely regarded as a defensive mastermind (especially with exotic blitz packages). So spare me with that crap.

    Brady, Moss, Welker = Cutler, Marshall, Royal

    I agree with Thrawn, I like this move more and more the more I think about it. And thinking is severely lacking around this board.

  • January 15, 2009

    6:27 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Rx -

    You are welcome to leave at any time. You are not needed here. All you do is get uptight the moment anyone disagrees with you. If you can't handle the fact that everyone isn't here to bow down to you, then get lost.

  • January 15, 2009

    4:38 PM

    fredzo writes:

    "Josh McDoogieHowser"

    I can't wait...

  • January 15, 2009

    5:36 PM

    Dwayne writes:

    He may be 32, but probably knows more football than all of us combined. If any one wants to argue that, then why didn't you get hired as the Broncos head coach.

  • January 15, 2009

    6:29 PM

    CT writes:

    What a stupid move by Bowlen.

    So, now the Chiefs get one of the real masterminds of the Patriots "dynasty" in Pioli and the Broncos get, what - Opie Taylor?

    Just wonderful. Thanks Pat. You just watch. After Pioli overhauls the Chiefs roster, they will be scary good. The Raiders are going to be better, and we all know how good San Diego will be for many years to come.

    The Broncos are looking at a lot of tough years ahead.

    They should have nabbed Pioli first. Dumb, dumb, dumb. But then, that's Pat Bowlen.

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