Illegal immigration
Don Wrege of Boulder writes:
For Mr. Hernandez’s information, Reagan was quoted as saying that he regretted signing the bill, and that it was the worst mistake of his political career. Illegal immigration actually increased as a result, but that’s exactly what Hernandez promotes, so I can see how he thinks The Great Communicator “got it right” by getting it wrong. Another amnesty (or “comprehensive solution,” as they refer to it) would have the same disastrous effects - only multiplied exponentially.
I, on the other hand, have a one-pronged approach to solving the illegal immigration problem: enforce the laws currently on the books.
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Go after the sleezo business owners that hire them!! Fine them 50,000 the first time. Jail time.... if their caught the second time. For larger companys fine them 10,000 a worker first offense. Jail time second offense.
Posted by KMA on February 27, 2007 04:03 PMI would say haul them to jail the first time...put up say $5,000.00 bail PER illegal caught, THEN do the fine out of the bail they put up. At 5 grand a head, that would pay for personel and OT for A LOT more raids.
Posted by Rick on February 27, 2007 04:12 PMFine the companies that hire them, and pending deportation, have the illegals move in with Hernandez and let him take care of their needs.
Posted by on February 27, 2007 05:14 PMAnother aspect that may be good, charge the country each illegal is from a $50,000 tariff for all the money it cost our government to house feed and support them, then these countries may do some themselves to stop illegals
Posted by Nick on February 28, 2007 01:01 AMhere is what is GOING to happen with illegal immigration.
NOTHING!
sorry to break it too you all. but this is as true as the sun rising in the morning because politicians dont give a F about your concerns on this matter
Posted by Frank on February 28, 2007 03:36 AMCatch them, teach them english in Marine Corps Boot Camp and let them earn their citizenship over four years. OR... Every illegal caught gets conscripted into the service and has duty "at the front" for two years and then deported. OR... Every Illegal caught gets dressed up in the stars and stripes with "I love George Bush" tattooed on their forehead and dropped into Iran along side the president of the company that hired them...
Posted by Harry on February 28, 2007 06:16 AMIt is regrettable, but Frank does have an ounce of truth, the government does not care about US Citizens, they care about the cheapest labor that the big buisnesses can get, and who do you think owns the government....BIG BUISNESSES. If they don't get the government to give amnesty to ensure the cheap labor, than there bonuses might dwindle, WHAT A TRAGEDY. If they don't get their way, they will just outsource it to another 3rd world country. WELCOME TO THE US. I believe all illegal aliens should be deported, but we have a government that only cares about satisfying there own pockets and they do not care what is will cost any US Citizen.
Posted by Pam on February 28, 2007 07:26 AMIt is regrettable, but Frank does have an ounce of truth, the government does not care about US Citizens, they care about the cheapest labor that the big buisnesses can get, and who do you think owns the government....BIG BUISNESSES. If they don't get the government to give amnesty to ensure the cheap labor, than there bonuses might dwindle, WHAT A TRAGEDY. If they don't get their way, they will just outsource it to another 3rd world country. WELCOME TO THE US. I believe all illegal aliens should be deported, but we have a government that only cares about satisfying there own pockets and they do not care what is will cost any US Citizen.
Posted by Pam on February 28, 2007 07:26 AMHarry, the drill instructors at the Marine Corps Recruit Depots at Parris Island and San Diego have plenty to do without having to teach English. You know, stuff like how to fight with a bayonet, choke an enemy to death, throw hand grenades, march, wear the uniform properly, recognize threats to our nation (Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin, etc al) and so on.
Now get into the leaning rest until I say stop.
Posted by Gunny Bob on February 28, 2007 09:54 AMMr. Wrege, with his one-pronged approach to solving the immigration problem, evidently also has a single-minded view of history. Did the 1986 bill cause more illegal immigration or could there be other causes such as NAFTA or the greater demand for unskilled unskilled labor in the U.S.? Perhaps we should apply this one-pronged approach to our traffic and drugs laws as well.
Posted by on February 28, 2007 10:07 AMGunny Bob, are you a real Marine, or just another talk radio pimp needling your audience to anger?
I am a Marine veteran, and you don't in any way represent my views.
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 10:12 AMPam, you are right that the U.S. government (especially, but not limited to, the Bush administration) tends to favor big business and cheap labor. But in your comment about "costs" did you not know that immigration benefits the economy as a whole? Almost all economists agree with this.
p.s. That is my unsigned letter above that starts with "Mr. Wrege"
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 10:17 AMPam, you are right that the U.S. government (especially, but not limited to, the Bush administration) tends to favor big business and cheap labor. But in your comment about "costs" did you not know that immigration benefits the economy as a whole? Almost all economists agree with this.
p.s. That is my unsigned letter above that starts with "Mr. Wrege"
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 10:18 AMYo Gunny Bob: So glad you posted. I listen to you on radio and after five minutes I have to go elsewhere because you repeat yourself on the same subject matter ad nauseum. r22037yahoo
Posted by Richard Grimes on February 28, 2007 10:42 AMGunny youre dead on. A DI, company commander or drill seargant has to train to fight and survive. It is not their duty to teach english. Should a person be too lazy to learn english prior to enlisting, then they would not be worth the time to train at all. A soldier has the duty to fight kill and sometimes die for the greater good. If that person doesnt take the time to learn english prior to joining the U.S. military the others will be better off without them.
Posted by Nick on February 28, 2007 11:42 AMWhen I was in boot camp, we had a guy who could not speak English very well at all--but he made it. Military service has long been a fast track to citizenship.
The first Marine to die in Iraq, Jose Antonin Guttierez (sp?), of Guatemala, entered the U.S. illegally.
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 12:07 PMAnderson:
Hmmm. You claim to be a Marine yet attack with name calling your fellow Marine because he has an opinion that differs from yours. That tells me a great deal about you. If you were a Marine, I suspect you would never have made it in my units. The again, given your words, I suspect you are lying about your service.
Oh, and Anderson, I never said I represent your views, so what's up with your statement suggesting I claim to?
Posted by Gunny Bob on February 28, 2007 12:17 PMRichard:
This will kill you, but my show is the top-rated evening news-talk program in the market. And how do I know you listen intently every night?
Ow.
Posted by Gunny Bob on February 28, 2007 12:20 PMOk, most agree we need to end illegal immigration. However, above and beyond the complete lack of border enforcement, how many of you can actually go to the store and buy something you need, without it being made in China, Southeast Asia, or Mexico? Illegal immigration is just 1 part of the overall plan to destroy this nation. GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, and so many other trade agreements are designed to eliminate manufacturing jobs in the USA, which will reduce our ability to respond to a threat such as WW2. We just won't be able to manufacture arms in the quantity needed to fight a real war. These agreements push jobs to other countries in order to 'level the playing field' in world-wide trade. This benefits the giant multi-national corporations who sell their crap for the same prices as before, but pay 1/2 to 1/10th the cost for manufacturing. Look up info on the covert Security and Prosperity Partnership of the Americas and tell yourself that it isn't about dissolving our sovereignty into a North American free-trade zone. Tell yourself that we will be just fine under United Nations leadership. Tell yourself that you won't mind if our rights delineated in the Constitution, and granted by our Creator are taken away. Tell yourself that those who want to institute the 1 World Government care about your rights, and will work to see that your freedom is protected. Tell yourself that over and over again until you actually believe it.
Posted by Jay on February 28, 2007 12:21 PMOK Jay, put down the crack pipe and the John Birch Society/Phyllis Schlafly leaflets, and back slowly away from the computer . . .
I know, I know, conspiracy theories are just too much fun, right? What's next, that the CIA and Mossad perpetrated the 9/11 attacks? That Freemasons run the country? That flu shots are a plot by the CIA to control the minds of the population? That the Tri-Lateral Commission controls the flow of money and information across the globe? Bilgenberger gobbledygook? Just because someone writes something on a piece of paper or website does not make something true, you know.
Posted by Miscreant 242 on February 28, 2007 12:45 PMTo miscreant242, misanthrope242/and all the other pseudonyms you go by, you should get back to freshman compostition now. Study hall is over. I see for weeks you lurk here to jump people for their opinions. I do not think you have much validity in your positions. You definitely sound like a Fabian Socialist with your words. Maybe you are just one of those who worships the UN and hopes to deceive the people by using the liberal tool of insulting and bad-mouthing anything you don't agree with. And why do you keep changing your handle? Are you afraid of something?
Posted by Jay on February 28, 2007 12:58 PMOne other thing. Miss Creant 242, you have your stuff down pat. You Totally discredit anything that anyone says that doesn't slide nicely in line with what the Globalists are spouting day in and day out on the major broadcast media. If I didn't think you were just some bored person sitting alone in a dark room, I'd think maybe you work for George Soros or someone like that.
Posted by Jay on February 28, 2007 01:05 PMBob, your type on the radio are all gutless wonders, actively beating up on others--often the powerless--from the safety of your studio. That has nothing to do with my Marine Corps. As for your representing my views, obviously your handle, and frequent references to the Corps, imply that you represent the Corps or a view typically held by a Marine. I'm just making a statement that it doesn't. As to whether I'd "make it in your unit" I guess I'm not surprised you would attempt to denigrate my service. Of course, you know little if nothing about me, but your comment is consistent with talk radio themes, that is: go for the "villains" and "villainizing", and leave any substance behind.
Jay, your statement *is* straight out of the John Birch Society, is it not? I don't believe our nation is being "destroyed" but agree the so-called free trade agreements have resulted in a significant loss of jobs here in the U.S. for the benefit of multi-national corps.
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 01:15 PMWow, Jay, that was personal. Ouch, ouch, ouch, WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please wait for me to stop crying my little undergrad (right?) eyes out . . . wait . . . OK, now I'm not hurt anymore that a loon thinks that my arguments are invalid. And whoa, Fabian Socialist? Hmm, your associate's degree night school courses seem to be paying off. And you are going to school me? Well, excuse me, but keep your nonsense to yourself. And I am not bad-mouthing, per se, all I am doing is placing your opinions in their appropriate company. And sorry to disappoint you, but I am not a liberal "who worships the UN". I may not be a rabid right winger either, but then again, the world is not in black or white. Oh, and to your last thing, I go by whatever I want to. Am I afraid of something? I sure as hell am not afraid of you. And generally speaking, no. If you notice, my 'handle' is consistently 242, and I've seen no one else use that numerical designation. Real evasive activity, eh?
So once again, put down the crack pipe (it is making you even more irrational than Schlafly and pals already are), try to tone down the personal attacks, and slowly back away from the computer.
Posted by Misanthrope 242 on February 28, 2007 01:19 PMAnderson:
Actually, you denigrated mine by asking if I was a "real Marine" and then calling me a "pimp." I returned the favor, lad. Of course, it is easy for your kind to snipe at others from your lair on the Internet. Why do I suspect you failed to complete your service and received less than an honorable discharge, and are therefore now angry at successful career Marines such as myself?
My military service is available for scrutiny on the WWW. I trust your claimed service is as well.
Posted by Gunny Bob on February 28, 2007 01:22 PMRoger Hernanadez's column is one I never bother to read anymore because his bias opinions and logic make him a jounalistic hack.
Believe me I have given him the benefit of a doubt and have re-read the contents of his columns to make sure he really wrote and thinks we believes the things he writes on this topic.
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses, half truths and rationalizing for breaking our Immigration laws and others once they are here.
There is nothing wrong for standing up for your people if they are "Good" law abiding people and are being unjustly targeted because of their race or culture.
Personally I would want to distance myself from them of unless I to am as dishonest as these lawbreakers are and Roger Hernandez has proved that in his column.
I see the left wing has raised it's ugly head in the form of a Democrat named Anderson.
The only one prong strategy he's interested in as is Mr. Henandez and every Democratic politician, is to make them citizens and have a 10 million voter base of moochers to draw from.
"Actually, you denigrated mine by asking if I was a "real Marine""
No. That's not denigrating your service. That's asking if you are a real Marine. You're the one running around with the handle. It's like asking any media personality if it's their real name--because often they aren't.
"and then calling me a "pimp.""
Nothing to do with service, just a reference to your role in talk radio. You guys are always pimping people to anger.
"Why do I suspect you failed to complete your service and received less than an honorable discharge, and are therefore now angry at successful career Marines such as myself?"
1. Because I disagree with your views. 2. As I previously mentioned, SOP for your kind is to attack the messenger.
"My military service is available for scrutiny on the WWW. I trust your claimed service is as well."
Good. I believe you. I don't need to look at a website. No, my service is not on the web and doesn't need to be. I have a DD214.
Posted by anderson on February 28, 2007 01:34 PMOK 242, you had better go call the whaaaambulance!
Your nonsense is dripping out 'yer drawers.
Somebody is gonna have to scoop it up and dump it where it belongs.
*sigh* Sarcasm is always lost on idiots. Suffice it to say I'm not surprised.
Posted by Misanthrope 242 on February 28, 2007 02:16 PMRounding up all the illegals and putting them in the military is a great idea! They won't know how to fight because they can't speak english and we can send them in first.Just give them a gun and point the way to the insurgents. Then the real marines will know where the enemy is. Kill two birds with one stone.Problem solved.
Posted by on February 28, 2007 02:32 PMJay
Miscreant 242/ Misanthrope are the canidates more likely to use a crack pipe from comparing your letter and their's/ his/it's is over the top juvenile in style of conveying diversions and nonsensical thoughts.
The U.N. is an organization full of socialistic countries that hate us and are envious of our prosperity and way of life compared their welfare state of goverments and lagging economies and the main reason for the "Global Warming" hoax so they can control our use of natural resources slow down our Industries and try to level the playing field to their advantage.
Basically their goal is to steal away our sovereignty as a nation with some of the resolutions they try to pass and get us to agree to. They always vote against us on just about every issue and have been doing this for decades.
Idiots like Al Gore and the big goverment liberal socialists(Democrats) are playing right into their Comrades hands.
Who in the world would have a handle like Miscreant unless he really was one and tries to use outrageous conspiracy theories to divert attention from the real one.
He's a sneaky little Bastard. I'll give him that
Eagle Eye,
At least I am a bit more honest with my handle. An "outrageous" conspiracy theory vs. the "real" one? No, a conspiracy theory is just that, a conspiracy theory. No basis, just outlandish claims that appeal to the fear in us all. And it doesn't matter if they come from Hugo Chavez or Phyllis Schlafly or Al Gore or Dick Cheney, they are all still preposterous by their very nature. Not as much fun, I know. But then again, crack can be fun (right?) but it is very detrimental in the larger context.
And thanks, because I am a sneaky little Bastard.
Posted by Miscreant 242 on February 28, 2007 02:47 PMYou are most welcome!
I'm glad I hit the the right nerve and it was interesting to watch you go off into deep space but is also pathetic and sad. Kind of like watching a accident about to happen.
Your an Intellectual misfit that likes to play your little mind games and the things that should shame you don't. Of course most of it is an act you play to annoy the otherside.
The only thing you and other decievers have to fear is the truth and you do don't you. I've had enough fun on this site for one day but before I leave you, I'm going to alter your name a bit to
Sneaky Little "Lying" Bastard! if you don't mind and of course you don't.
What a Treat you were!!
Eagle Eye,
Who, here, is fearing the truth? Just spread some fear to the 'security mom' idiot sheeple and it'll all go all right. Just what should shame me? Oh well, fleeing to elsewhere into the dregs of the Internet, just like a good and irrascable conspiracy theorist. And deep space? Just beacuse I expressed a disdain for stupid conspiracy theories whether from the far left or far right? OK, whatever; if it is not your stripe of conspiracy theory, then it is "off into deep space". Sure, whatever. I'll just keep on laughing at you and your sad and pathetic sheeple/conspiracy theorist self. See you in hell, anarchist!!!
P.S. Sirenko? Is that you and your idiocy? If not, then it sure is one of your numbskull Babylon 5-worshipping comrades. Are you going to pontificate to me of the sheer metaphysical oneness of Battlestar Galactica next?
P.P.S. I actually do mind "lying" in the sneaky little bastard title. I don't have to lie to be a bastard. You might want to look into it, as it can be quite fun.
Posted by Misanthrope 242 on February 28, 2007 08:47 PMAnderson,
Legal immigrants is one thing, illegal aliens is another. Legal immigrants are coming into the country legally with valid work permits. Illegal aliens are coming here illegally and bringing the illegal problems with them. I am against illegal aliens getting everything for nothing, I am against illegal aliens coming here for health care, education, homes , credit cards, jobs that they should not and never should of had or gotten. Big Difference. Until the US Citizens starting standing as a united front, there is no chance for this country.
Posted by Pam on March 1, 2007 09:51 AMPam, you what do you propose we do about it? I say our current laws are obviously not working, and need to be changed--just as we do with any other law that doesn't work. Among other things, we need to: (1) decide what to do with 10-12 undocumented immigrants who are here, also taking into account that many are related to U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents (60% of families are of mixed status); (2) determine what to do with future flows of immigrants--the current number of visa quotas are way under the demand for unskilled labor.
Posted by anderson on March 1, 2007 10:16 AMAnderson,
There is still a major difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. If people want to immigrate here, fine, I have a major problem with aliens sneaking into my country through the back door and demanding what they don't deserve. As far as our laws, they would work, if citizens of this country unified together (mass in numbers) and force big business and the government to adhere to our laws....but everyone is trying to be so politically correct, well take off the gloves and starting standing as one. Unity in masses in the past has always stood the test. People need to know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens.
Posted by Pam on March 2, 2007 07:55 AM