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Friday, May 4 at 12:01 AM

It seems the two houses of Congress are in a state of inertia when it comes to supporting the war on terrorism. And make no mistake — it is a worldwide war, its epicenter being Iraq.
Democratic leaders are so gleeful and juvenile in their efforts to make President Bush look bad that they will sacrifice our military to the enemy. How shameful.
If the Congress fails to provide the funds with no strings attached, they should all — Republican and Democrat alike — be held responsible for the horrendous slaughter that will take place when our troops are forced to cut and run.
What this Congress is trying to do borders on criminal negligence.

Ron Perkins, Littleton

READER COMMENTS

What? ok I will be the one to draw your fire since you are just baiting. Winning the "war on terror" is a nice slogan, kind of like "winning the war on drugs" once was. Strange it seems that war was lost too. The reason is because as long as there are people willing to die for an extreme cause there can be no victory. Drugs and terror are not nations, their leaders are inter-changable, the front lines shift daily, and their ranks of soldiers will continue to grown as long as they feel they have something to gain (i.e. drugs for money, terrorist 40 virgins?).

Also it does not require any effort by the Democrats to make this administration look bad, infact Bush and company do that just fine by themselves (just ask the 10 Republican hopefuls last night, including McCain). If we are holding people responsible what about holding this administration responsible for the deaths of over 3300 service members, the maiming of tens of thousands others (and the cutting of their benefits by underfunding the VA), the displacement of over two million Iraqi civilians (Saudi is currently building a fence to keep them out), and the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (reported by the BBC).

You want support give the people a new plan, staying the course is not working. I like the 3 nation idea, with the USA stagging "response" units in Kurdish controlled territory and taking out terrorist camps and troop build ups using air power.

Posted by Brad on May 4, 2007 05:52 AM

"What this Congress is trying to do borders on criminal negligence".

What about the negligence on our Borders?

It has to be a known fact worldwide that there is no will in this administration to secure our borders. This fight will end up in the U.S.A. , again because of lax port and border security and massive unchecked illegal immigration.

Posted by Rusty on May 4, 2007 06:00 AM

How quickly the Democrats forget (or simply are wiling to ignore for political gain) the lessons and policy stances they took on Iraq, Saddam Hussein, WMDs, and Islamo terrorism just a short time ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE

Posted by Michael on May 4, 2007 06:25 AM

Michael,

"How quickly the Democrats forget (or simply are wiling to ignore for political gain) the lessons and policy stances they took on Iraq, Saddam Hussein, WMDs, and Islamo terrorism just a short time ago."

Perhaps they didn't forget, but rather have learned from their mistakes. This is something to be proud of.

Bush's "steadfastness" is really just the arrogance of a man who feels he has nothing more to learn.

Posted by Charles B on May 4, 2007 06:57 AM

But, of course, "we" are not at war in Iraq. Only a handful of military and their families are at war in Iraq. If Bush really considered this to be a worldwide war of great moment, he would not be the first president in history to lower taxes during a war. Where are the drives similar to the paper and can drives of World War II? Where are the equivalents of the USOs? How has the war affected the average American? Only somewhat more than the world series or the super bowl, or what's-her-name whose child had two, or was it three?, fathers. No, Bush has no intention of treating this as a time to sacrifice, except for those military and their families. After all, the Republicans want to get elected again.

People such as Ron Perkins talk as though things will work out OK if we just stay around a few more years. If we had "cut and run" three years ago, after we had gotten rid of Saddam and all those weapons of mass destruction, and before all the sectarian violence, we and Iraq might be better off. Each year since then has only seen things getting much worse. No one, including Petraeus and Gates, thinks the surge is anywhere close to being a sure thing. They all realize that at some point we may have to cut and run. Gates announced that it would be irresponsible not to have a Plan B. He indicated Plan B would be the "cut and run" plan, withdraw the troops from the interior to the periphery. The big problem is that we won't know what the real benefit of the surge is until well after it is over, until we see what happens to sectarian violence after we have left. I have read that the Petraeus manual on combating insurgencies indicates that it would take 120,000 troops to deal with an insurgency in a city the size of Iraq. If General Petraeus is anywhere close to correct, there is little chance the surge will succeed. And of course its success depends on the success of the Iraqi government, something which is out of our hands. The evidence that the Iraq government is succeeding in bringing the two sides together is not there.

Posted by Truth on May 4, 2007 08:13 AM

Truth, let me just clear up one thing for you though I agree with what you had to say. The USO is alive and active with the troops. They are greeting returning troops at airports, sending shows overseas (strangely many of the acts are Liberals such as AL Frakken and John Mellencamp just did a show in DC for wounded troops). The USO is out there doing what they can so if anyone does want to contribute they can do so by going to>

http://www.uso.org/

One other thing you did not mention which I have been YELLING on this board is that Bush CUT FUNDING TO THE VA in each of his budgets. Hey these men and women are risking their lives, losing arms and legs, and being horribly scarred for life YET this administration feels a tax cut for the rich is more important then taking care of them. It is a sick thing to do to our heros.

Posted by Brad on May 4, 2007 08:27 AM

Ron Perkins,You are a person who went out and found the facts before posting.Village idiots like brad,untruth,up-chuck always write there liberal rhetoric which are never back up with facts.Why don't we call these guy the three little bitches.

Posted by Keith on May 4, 2007 08:55 AM

"Perhaps they didn't forget, but rather have learned from their mistakes. This is something to be proud of."

It's called flip-floping, blowing in the political wind like chaff, running in all directions hoping to find the popular path that gets you reelcted.

Posted by KW on May 4, 2007 09:07 AM

Again Keith please point out where my facts are not factual? Look at the budgets under Bush, no better yet go to the VA hospital and see these men and women and tell me they don't deserve better. I have, why don't you?

Posted by Brad on May 4, 2007 09:26 AM

I have yet to see Keith post any facts what-so-ever.

Posted by on May 4, 2007 09:35 AM

Sadly Ron is fooled by the retoric of the Bush administration and a victem of its lies and deception.
Most ofthe current intelligence on th so called "war on terror" indicates the way in which the Bush administration is proceeding (including the use of torture and abuse, extraordinary rendition and the targetting of civilians and civilan infrastructure.) is failing to curb anti U.S. sentiment and is in fact giving Al Quaeda and other groups we identify as terrorists groups all the recruitng power they need.
A classic example of the Bush adminstrations war on terror is the current support for th einvasion of Somalia. There the bUsh administration has placed in power ruthless war lords, replacing the Islamic courts - which had little or no connection to terrorism. In the process the u.S. in supporting Ethiopian troops with U.S. miliatary advisors, and air support - especially C130 flying fortresses have gunned down fleeing refugees - identified initially as Al Quaeda operatives but as it turned out - none were in fact connected.
George Bush's war on terror - like his War on drugs in Columbia is creating more enemies, and supporting extremists elements as bad as the elements they are supposed to be defeating.
Iarq is not the epicenter of anything other than the Bush administration corruption and abuse.
Ending the idiot policey of this administration would be the best thing Congress could do. As long as the u.S. occupies the world and abuses the people it occupies there will be resistance.
Unfortunately Democrats are not willing to take that step to end our destructive policies, and bring justice to the world.Some in Congress like California's Jerry Lewis, and uncan Hunter(whose campaign war cghests profit handsomely from the contributins they get from the profiteers of perpetual war.) are still spouting the lies as if they were valid,.

Posted by Mark benner on May 4, 2007 09:51 AM

"Democratic leaders are so gleeful and juvenile in their efforts to make President Bush look bad that they will sacrifice our military to the enemy."

Bush doesn't need any help from the Democrats in looking bad; he's hit that fastball out of the park all by himself!

Posted by shaupeen on May 4, 2007 11:00 AM

bradley,under funding was from the clinton adm.clinton also gutted the C.I.A.,enable Al Qaeda to get cells in 60 countries including ours.You say we are over there for oil,fact is france,germany,russia didn't come in to help us because of there illegal dealings with saddam because of oil.Let me put it this way ,your mommy get a new mercedes and for 8 years she doesn't change the oil or does any other maint..She gives it to you and it blows up. Then she saids its your fault.Same thing happened to Bush.clinton screwed up for 8 years and Bush has to fix everything with no help from the dems.So bradley like I said before "Child Left Behind".Can't wait to see you in your red dress and heels tonight with the other bitches.

Posted by Keith on May 4, 2007 11:28 AM

Wow, Keith, []

Posted by Miscreant 242 on May 4, 2007 11:32 AM

Keith, why are you out looking for bitches? Stay safely home and write more posts for us.

You could get smashed in the face with a handbag if you mess with the bitches.

Posted by Sharon B. on May 4, 2007 11:53 AM

Bush's ill-concieved, illegal, and bungled "War on Terror" has strengthened our enemies, and provided a base and a cause for Al Qaida and radical Islam.

Republicans cling to Bush to keep their tax cuts, and to protect their closet-Nazi tendencies, at the expense of our troops and our economy.

Cynical, myopic Republicans have changed the course of history, into a dark and dangerous direction.

Bush, his cronies, and his last few desperate supporters are traitors, or fools, or both. They are a disgrace to the United States, our military, and the human race in general.

Thanks to these crooked, anti-American cynics, the future, our security, and our lives are irrevocably changed.

Posted by Don King on May 4, 2007 01:54 PM

When the ony strategy this Administration has for Iraq is keep up the status qou until the next guy comes to office - better known as passing the buck - what the Democrats are doing is called holding the President accountable. Something the Republicans seem to do only when oral sex is involved.

Posted by Sean on May 4, 2007 02:10 PM

I'm glad they want to hold Bush accountable for removing Saddam from power. If not the dems would try to take credit for it after Bush leaves office.

How much you wanna bet, right here on this blog in 2009, you same people will be saying it was the dems in congress that allowed Bush to do it.

Posted by KW on May 4, 2007 02:19 PM

Iraq has turned into such a disaster that nobody in their right mind would claim credit for it. Notice how many times Regan's name was invoked in the Republican debate last night? It is because the Republicans got nothing to run on and have been reduced to praising a President that has been out of office for almost twenty years. Heavy on Regan praise and none for Bush. How telling.

Posted by Sean on May 4, 2007 02:40 PM

Truth,

You are a piece of work, you know that?

You said:

"If Bush really considered this to be a worldwide war of great moment, he would not be the first president in history to lower taxes during a war."

Aren't you glad he did though? Tax revenue increased just as he said it would.

You said:

"Where are the drives similar to the paper and can drives of World War II?"

Paper and can drives? Is that what you want? For what? Unlike WWII, we already had a large military consisting of troops, tanks, ships, and aircraft so we didn't need to send our women to the factories or collect cans for bullets.

"How has the war affected the average American?"

Personally, I lost a lot of neighbors after the war started on September the 11th, 2001. My home town lost 37 residents from the attack on the Twin Towers.

But, you seem disappointed that more Americans are not suffering.

This nation has grown so strong that she can wage two simultaneous wars without disrupting the lives of most her citizens. I see that as a good thing.

But, hey, if you want to collect cans, I hear they fetch a nickel each these days. Knock yourself out.

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 04:26 PM

John II, the soldiers dying in Iraq will be happy to hear you are doing your part, what with your neighbor getting killed over there and all. I hope you get a medal for that.

Posted by Tr on May 4, 2007 06:32 PM

Tr is short for Truth. I only use it when addressing my really close friends.

Posted by Truth on May 4, 2007 06:33 PM

John II, I see you are keeping up with what they pay for empty cans. If you need food, let me know and I'll send you some broccolli.

Posted by Truth on May 4, 2007 06:38 PM

Might as well tell my broccoli joke. Do you know the difference between snot and broccoli? Kids won't eat broccoli. Which reminds me, John II, if you happen to prefer snot to broccoli, I'll send you some of that.

Posted by Truth on May 4, 2007 06:42 PM

Truth,

"Might as well tell my broccoli joke. Do you know the difference between snot and broccoli? Kids won't eat broccoli. Which reminds me, John II, if you happen to prefer snot to broccoli, I'll send you some of that."

You just made me laugh and curse you at the same time...

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 06:53 PM

If the snot joke didn`t make you gag, this will. The White House spokesperson says "the Democrats want the President to set a surrender date".

Right wing radio will probably mention this once or twice, ya think.

Posted by Sharon B. on May 4, 2007 07:44 PM

Oh, Sharon B., so what? I responded to your comment here.

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 07:52 PM

John II. Steak dinner on Hannity for first mention.

Posted by Sh on May 4, 2007 08:21 PM

Sharon B.,

I think this is your way of getting me to have dinner with you.

Since you're the only person to comment on what the White House spokesperson said, and you're also a raging liberal, my bet is that Air America mentions it first.

Either way, I couldn't care less. Unless, of course, I get a free steak dinner out of it. What shall we talk about over a steak and some red wine? Stoicism? Christianity? The feminization of America? The Constitution and how to "go beyond" it? Or shall we skip the foreplay and get right to...a discussion on why Socialism is bad for America?

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 09:13 PM

"This nation has grown so strong that she can wage two simultaneous wars without disrupting the lives of most her citizens. I see that as a good thing."

Please rest assured that there is positively, absolutely, not-one-iota difference between 'waging' and 'winning' these two wars.

However, just to be clear, if winning the war requires that my life be disrupted, I'll keep my tax cuts and Hummer H3, thank you very much.

Try as they will, those lefty Democrats in Congress won't change this rock-ribbed American from doing what is right and Godly. To the bitter end of this battle for the soul and world, I will keep spending my way to victory in the GWOT!

And no, please, really, don't thank me for it. I do it for the common good. God bless, and good night. Keep up the good work patriots...these lefties are coming around, I can tell, I have hope, and faith that at least one of them will pause this evening and stop hating America, even for just 1 minute...it may not sound like a lot, but add it up, and within 2 months, leftwingers will be hating America for a full hour less. All thanks to the consistent and noble arguments you patriots have so bravely blogged against this fifth column in this electronic Western Front!

Posted by Average American on May 4, 2007 09:34 PM

Average American,

"However, just to be clear, if winning the war requires that my life be disrupted, I'll keep my tax cuts and Hummer H3, thank you very much."

H3's are for girls. Now, an H2, that's a manly truck.

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 09:42 PM

AA, John II has this thing about "mannly Men" or is it "mainly men"

My daughter is a firefighter, not a fireman.

If, God forbid you had to work as a charwoman, wouldn`t you want to be called a charperson?

And if you married, in some state where it is possible, a man who sells fish, would you want to be called a fish-wife or a fish monger?

`night John II

Posted by Sharon B. on May 4, 2007 10:30 PM

So, what are you drinking tonight, Sharon B.? Scotch, Whiskey, Wine, Beer?

Posted by John II on May 4, 2007 11:12 PM

Benadryl, John II with a Visine chaser. Love these Colorado Springs The season not the town

Posted by Sharon B. on May 5, 2007 05:37 PM

"So, what are you drinking tonight, Sharon B.? Scotch, Whiskey, Wine, Beer?"

So, you're expecting a reasonable answer from Ann? Some might call that crazy, but insane is always defined by the majority.

Posted by No use on May 5, 2007 07:16 PM

07:16 PM

That was an eminently reasonable answer,with all the lilacs, fruit trees, and various and sundry bushes blooming from our last gift of - somewhat oversupplied - Spring moisture. Hay Fever and Sinus troubles are part of the price of the slogan: "Tis a privilege to live in Colorado."

Posted by Old Grouch on May 5, 2007 07:39 PM

Who is Ann, and how did she get here? If John II is inferring that I am dingy, now he knows why. Aint booze it is cold meds.

Posted by Sharon B. on May 5, 2007 08:49 PM

Hi, Sharon,

Sorry to hear about that cold. "Anonymous" up there must be one of those wonder-persons who are always so "healthy" they just have to be totally flabbergasted that the rest of the world isn't.

What is really amusing about this line of posting - in a very "black humor" kind of way - is how Keith chimes in with John II; and in turn John II seems to take it as some kind of "compliment" - or "acknowledgement" of position and "correctness" - that it happens that way. While of course, holding himself always aloof, and above that kind of thing.

But then again, in the history of "bear baiting", so few have taken the side of the "bear", that it must be quite an exhilarating experience to find one who does. For the "bear" that is.

I'm off to work on that which didn't get done yesterday, what with meetings and such; so, for now anyway, I'll leave the "bear pit" in your good hands.

As the dog-Latin has it: "Illegitimi non carborundum". (I'm sure one of the Bobsey Twins will come along both to translate, and to fault the construction.)

See you later. God Bless!

Posted by Old Grouch on May 6, 2007 10:18 AM

Old Grouch,

"As the dog-Latin has it: "Illegitimi non carborundum". (I'm sure one of the Bobsey Twins will come along both to translate, and to fault the construction.)"

Canes non possunt loquor sed senes saepe loquuntur nimius

Posted by John II on May 6, 2007 11:44 AM

KW said:

It's called flip-floping, blowing in the political wind like chaff, running in all directions hoping to find the popular path that gets you reelcted.

Not Kucinich! :) Of course, I know you hate him anyway.

Posted by mytwosense on May 6, 2007 11:49 AM

Arf! Arf! Arf!

Posted by Old Grouch on May 6, 2007 05:20 PM

Sunday night,Time to post the facts.By reading the factual post it's obvious the new dem. control congress has screwed the troops,supported the terrorist,screw every American,the worse congress in life my time even though they have a small majority.It's obvious the educated will vote this majority of corrupt members out of congress and do the right thing by putting a republican back in the White House.Anti-American liberals lose again.Next subject

Posted by Keith on May 6, 2007 07:23 PM

For anyone still reading this it is "It is not legal to grind them down."

Posted by Sharon B. on May 8, 2007 01:45 PM

Joke, Don`t let the bastards grind you down.

Posted by Sharon B. on May 8, 2007 01:47 PM