Fix Mexico, not U.S.
Isn’t it amazing how these illegal Mexicans can demonstrate and demand this and that from the United States, but do not demonstrate in their “beloved” Mexico?
If they love Mexico so much, why don’t they stay and try to change their country, not ours?
Patrick Cipolla, Estes Park
tortillas cost to much down there, you know with all the ethenol we are making its driving the corn prices up in mexico. beside the US is so much cleaner than mexico for now. give them ten years and you wont be able to tell the difference
Posted by fish on May 10, 2007 05:03 AMMexico just needs more industry. We should export all of our prisons to Mexico. That would create a new industry for them and lower our costs and reduce our hassles. Send them our felons and only pay them 75% of what it currently costs us to incarcerate prisoners. Oh yeah, don't forget that doing time down there won't be as "easy" as doing time in the U.S. with all our "prisoner's rights" and advocates for felons. Deport our indigious criminals and illegal aliens and help our neighbor to the south. The irony comes in when the prisoners (now in Mexico) start waving the Stars and Stripes and marching (in prison) for their "rights". Put that on the news because I want to see it!
Posted by Harry on May 10, 2007 05:48 AMMexico doesn't have to lift a finger. The U.S. is here to be taken advantage since forever. Until we control our borders and enforce immigration law and stop giving incentive for illegal aliens and drug smugglers, Mexico will continue to be a third world narco country exporting it problems to the U.S.A.
Posted by Reality set in on May 10, 2007 06:07 AMAmen Patrick!!! What no post by Anderson calling all of us Racists, my my my, he must be slow today. Oklahoma just past HB1804 into law that ends all santuary policy for this state. If one state's people and government can stand up against the illegal aliens protesting their rights and tell them NO, go home. All states can do this, you need to start standing up to the officials you elected and telling them to their jobs against this travesty that is going on in the US.
Posted by P on May 10, 2007 07:45 AMGet ready for the North Amercan Union, Patrick, when the the U.S. will merge with Canada and Mexico. Then the U.S. will belong to Mexicans too and you will have or get used to living with them. Thank Prez Bush for what is comming.
Posted by Repugnants on May 10, 2007 08:49 AMSince we are paying for Mexico's people in one form or another, we may as well make it another state or a US possession. The only way to deport between 12-30 Million illegals is no jobs and they will leave on their own. Since this is NOT going to happen we have to deal with this mess. Greed conquers all ! As for the North American Union, unless something unforseen happens, I look for it to develop into a monster.
Posted by Rocky on May 10, 2007 09:56 AMCheck out www.FireSociety.com and www.RogerHedgecock.com (esp. the McArthur Park article) many other Americans are fed up with footing the bills for millions of illegals !
Posted by TwoElks on May 10, 2007 10:31 AMDid you hear on the news yesterday that the churches in the US are now going to harbor illegals. How do we fight that? It just seems like our elected officials from both parties are totally ignoring the will of thepeople.
Posted by troll on May 10, 2007 10:39 AM"Fix Mexico, not US"
Yup, good idea.
Start by discontinuing all efforts by US gov and corporations to destabilise the Mexican economy and politics.
Make reperations for the damage we have deliberately done to destabilise the Mexican economy
Promise never to to it again
I like the idea of off-shoring our prisons to Mexico; after all the USA has stupidly given the Chinese our basic industries, why not let the Mexicans have an industry too. Especially one that they are very skilled at.
As for the churches giving sanctuary to criminals...raid the churches too and remove the criminals for deportation. Take away the churches tax exempt status since they want to shape US policy. If the churches want to play in the political sandbox, then they can damn well help pay for the system.
Posted by QBT on May 10, 2007 11:03 AM10:55 - Please elaborate on how the US Government and corporations destablise Mexico.
I did a little research on the wealthest nations with the following as being the top 10 richest countries:
1. USA 32.9%
2. Japan 13.4%
3. Germany 6.0%
4. Britian 4.6%
5. France 4.2%
6. China 3.7%
7. Italy 3.5%
8. Canada 2.3%
9. Mexico 2.0%
10. Spain 1.9%
Mexico has a thriving Oil Industry and a thriving tourist industry. Their problem is one of the haves and the have nots. That is an internal problem that needs to be addressed internally.
I don`t know exactly where to research this but I have heard that American and multi-national cooperations have bought the farmers land in Mexico and other Latin American countrys.
They then displace the farmers and use machines to farm the land, replacing field crops with the kind that can be handled by machines.
This drives the people to America and Canada for jobs.
Seeems some later day off shoots of United Fruit are doing this.
Is it true.? If so, can it be stopped?
Posted by Sharon B. on May 10, 2007 11:21 AM10:55 -
I also would like you to expound upon your statements. What do you mean?
Sharon - That happened in the United States during the last 30 years as well. I grew up in the 50's and 60's working on my Grandfather's 30 acre truck farm. Two of my Uncles had larger 200 arce farms. Of the three, only one exists today. My Grandfather died and the farm was turned into a subdivision, one uncle lost his farm to a bank getting out of the farming business and instead of selling the loan requested payment in full on the loan balance (if you have a mortgage read the fine print). The other uncle still has the land but no longer farms because he can not compete with commerical operations. In fact the commerical operations that existed in our area 30 years ago no longer exist because they could not compete with even larger commerical operations. In spite of this most of the grandchilden are doing well in other careers. Only 1 is on wellfare and only because of his belief that the Government should support him so he can lazy about.
I am aware that there is a problem with education in rural Mexico that contributes to people not being able to transition easily to other types of work. But that is an internal Mexican problem. Mexican nationals should be in the streets in Mexico demanding change. Not coming here an expoliting our wellfare state system.
Did you read the online article (today) in the RMN stating that 7% of Colorado families live below the federal poverty standard and that further, 1 in 5 Colorados are not self sufficient. The state that the average poor family stats in Colorado are: White, Married, with Children. We have our own internal problems to address. Having to take care of a high percentage of Mexican families as well only makes things worse.
Posted by Frank on May 10, 2007 01:01 PM10:55...what the heck are you talking about! The U.S. government pumps billions of dollars inot the Mexican economy every year! That doesn't include the billions shipped there by illegal workers! U.S. dollars are Mexico's #1 GNP. If you want to claim some government conspiracy...you're going to have to do better that! Break out the tin foil folks...here we go again...
Posted by my name 2 on May 10, 2007 01:13 PMThis reminds me of that old story of give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he eats all his life. Send money into Mexicos economy and that is todays fish, keep farmers on the land and thay can feed themselves for life.
I know I botched this but can you see the point.?
Money sent in can be stopped, that leads to insecurity, but letting people keep their land is security,
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to protest the Mexican government in Mexico.
Posted by RickyLee on May 10, 2007 08:46 PMNo, RickyLee, it's not.
Their elections are even more vocal and contentious than ours a lot of the time. And the opposition has no hesitation to protest. They don't quite get to the stage of what goes on in Taiwan, for instance - bashing each other over the head with the chairs in the Legislative Chambers - so they don't make TV a lot. But their freedom of speech is very much a part of their governmental process.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 10, 2007 09:35 PMOG-
What if you are a gringo living in Mexico illegally ,and demanded rights by protesting the Mexican Govt, how do you suppose they would treat you?
Get Real,
Since the question comes from a situation that is basically different from what RickyLee asked - a general question concerning whether or not it is illegal to protest the Mexican government in Mexico - I would have to say that there is no pat answer.
To begin with, for a foreigner to live in Mexico there is an entirely different set of procedures than can be found in the United States. Mexico has never been a country with an open immigration policy; nor does it have the history of encouraging immigration that this country has.
So, in effect you are setting up a straw man; and expecting an answer to a purely hypothetical question.
Those foreigners who do live in Mexico, either as Imigrado or Imigrante - or on Student, or other forms of what we call "Visa" - are, of course, subject to Mexican Law. However, generally speaking, it is not illegal to protest the government there. Unless such protest is done with violence, or other breach of Statutes governing "disturbing the peace"; much the same as we generally know it in the United States.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 11, 2007 07:28 AM