Iraqi Christians
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There is no outcry because it is against Christians. We are quickly becoming hated and not cared about. It is time for Christians to start fighting back peacefully.
Posted by BMAC on May 22, 2007 01:57 PMHow does one fight peacefully?
Posted by on May 22, 2007 02:25 PMby not invading or bombing places
Posted by Bango Skank on May 22, 2007 03:02 PMWhat are you saying now, Brian? That christians should support the war? That's what I call "hipochristian" because Christ certainly wouldn't have supported any wars.
Posted by mike h on May 22, 2007 03:15 PMChristians at St. Joseph's Church at an ediface built to a monster is equivalent to the ediface built to a monster called Mosque and these two monsters are eternally at war; each hates the other. The fanatic Muslim hates the likes of the (thank you Jesus) dead Falwell, Pat Robertson, Dobson, Graham 1 & 2, Bush 1 & 2, Phelps et al and they in turn hate the Muslim calling him evil, calling their god wicked.
“That's all religion is -- some principle you believe in ... man has accomplished far more miracles than the God he invented. What a tragedy it is to invent a God and then suffer to keep him King.” Rod Steiger ~~“One should not go to church if one wants to breathe pure air.” Friedrich Nietzsche
Allah says kill the unbeliever; Jesus says kill the unbeliever; both cites have been mentioned in this forum. The transmogrified Jew goes a step further and says, "Bring hither those who would not that I should reign over them and kill (slay) them in front of me." Luke 19:27 It pertains to Kings and Jesus calls himself "King of the Jews," in this parable.
"Jesus won't support any wars;" he will simply assign those his fan club kills to an eternal lake of fire where billions of humans knash (sp) their teeth in pain as they burn forever. Hitler is a flower child compared to the transmogrified Jew who turned into a Christian god to become anti-semitic. Me, your friendly deicide
Posted by Richard Grimes r22037@yahoo.com Risen Ape if not Proud Fallen Angel on May 22, 2007 03:37 PMUnder Saddam, one of the Cabinet Ministers was Christian, Tariq somebody (al Asiz, if memory serves). Now, of course, he, too, has been deposed, and . . . ? By our invasion force, of course, which is, nominally, largely "Christian" in its makeup
So Christians - up to 50% - have already fled the country. Why? What did our invasion force do to drive them out? Or, conversely, what should our invasion force do to persuade them to stay? We overthrew Saddam, and opened up the floodgates of a bloody civil war that has been going on for centuries - with Christians, and others such as Bahai, in the middle.
Or is this just another of those whines and cries about "not yet being able to put the toothpaste back into the tube" that have become the excuses for keeping us in the quagmire? Or even getting us in all that much deeper by way of some kind of "crusade" against Islam?
Posted by Old Grouch on May 22, 2007 03:42 PMBrian Stuckey,
Christian and Muslim belief in supernatural nonsence is the underlying foundation upon which the house of horrors you describe is built. The spread of radical Islam must be stopped, I agree, and the first step is for Christians like you to give up your dogmatic constructs and quit enabling the terrorists with your shared belief in their underlying motive..
Posted by on May 22, 2007 05:34 PMBrian Stuckey,
Christian and Muslim belief in supernatural nonsence is the underlying foundation upon which the house of horrors you describe is built. The spread of radical Islam must be stopped, I agree, and the first step is for Christians like you to give up your dogmatic constructs and quit enabling the terrorists with your shared belief in their underlying motive..
Posted by Charles B on May 22, 2007 05:35 PMCharles B
While I agree with your post I fail to see the "enabling" piece. It doesn't matter to these extremists what YOUR or my beliefs or anybody else's who is not Muslim. It doesn't even stop them from murdering other Muslims. You and I are as much their enemy as a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, etc.
I do believe that religion is responsible for most wars. I have given up on the mysticism I was born and indoctrinated into in order to take a more rational view of reality. Others should do the same. Getting Muslims to do so will require a lot more effort.
Posted by RU Serious on May 22, 2007 06:24 PMBrian - there is nothing "recent" about this. Muslims have been inhumanely oppressing Jews, Christians, Hindus (tens of millions butchered), Bhuddists (ongoing daily atrocities in southern Thailand), Zoroastorians (exterminated like the dodo from Iran where they reined supreme prior to Muslim hegemonistic genocide), atheists, pagans, and every other type of non-Muslim known to man. Islam is not a religion like others, even if others have also committed crimes in the past. ISLAM is a CANCEROUS CULT of CONQUEST and the greatest blight on humanity that has every existed. No other religion even comes close.
Posted by Liam on May 22, 2007 07:08 PMRU Serious,
"While I agree with your post I fail to see the "enabling" piece."
What I mean is that the belief in supernatural and especially an afterlife is a shared one among the competing religions. These beliefs need to become the exception and not the rule before the environment is right to marginalize the extremists.
The very act of believing in the afterlife by moderates and extremists alike creates the environment where claims like "murder these innocent women and children and die doing it and you'll go to heaven and bang 72 virgins" isn't seen as patently ridiculous.
When you say "It doesn't matter to these extremists what YOUR or my beliefs or anybody else's who is not Muslim." You are perhaps correct, but undermining their recruitment of more extremists can be achieved if their tools are dulled by the marginalization of their absurd beliefs.
If you are Christian on any level and you find yourself wondering "how can they believe that crazy stuff" in regards to Muslims, then you need to turn that same skepticism on your own crazy and irrational beliefs.
Posted by Charles B on May 22, 2007 08:39 PMCharles B
To worship means "to ascribe worth" to something.
What is it that you worship as surpreme in your life?
Q: Charles B
To worship means "to ascribe worth" to something. What is it that you worship as surpreme in your life?
A: Brian Stuckey?
Posted by on May 22, 2007 09:33 PMBrian:
Prayer is the answer. We need to pray for the militant Islamist to become peaceful and for our country to turn back to it's religious founding.
Do even one of you realize that it is an impossibility to change a people's belief system that has existed for thousands of years and that has no concept of what democracy is by trying to force the ideals of western society on them. They can't even concieve of what you're talking about, never mind implimenting changes based on those social tenets, especially when they are involved in a centuries old religious civil war that will never ,ever end until one side or the other utterly wipes out the other.
If we think everybody wants or even needs democracy then we are being arrogant to an extreme and foolish to a point last seen when Nero fiddled while Roam burned.
Posted by Allen Campbell on May 23, 2007 07:48 AMRICHARD GRIMES...
here are some quotes of someone you should read...
Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it.
or
But even in the Christian religion, much of its real meaning is hidden by words that are misleading and symbols that but few understand.
Ernest Holmes
OR
If you take the deep thoughts of the ages - Plato and Moses and Jesus, Buddha, Socrates, Aristotle and Emerson and Plotinus, all of them - you will have to have the greatest teaching the world has.
OR
And more than everything else, we believe in our own soul; the only immediate testimony you and I will ever have that we exist, or that God exists, or that Jesus showed us a way.
Ernest Holmes
or
Each one of us is an outlet to God and an inlet to God.
Ernest Holmes
I do not believe that God has imposed suffering upon anyone to punish them or to teach them a lesson.
Ernest Holmes
my thoughts...If one is truly a believer in God, Source, Spirit...whatever you want to call the energy that encompases us all, you do not treat another who is also a part of God as trash or unworthy . However, everything is in Divine Right Order... we are in a battle between Enlightenment and darkness. No one wants to see that
He who has the Son has life,
He who does not have the Son of God, does not have life.
1 John 5: 12
I find it amusing that Christians always cry foul when someone persecutes them, but they have no problem perescuting others themselves. From the crusades to the inquisitions, from the missionary exploitation and destruction of native cultures in the entire western hemisphere, Christians have been the most intolerant and destructive force known to belief systems other than their own, but when they are singled out by other cultures that have the will to fight back... typical hypocritical BS. I have no love for islamic terrorists, nor do I have love for any other kind of terrorist (including those "christian" terrorists that bomb clinics or protest funerals), but I'm sick of all the constant double standards displayed by the extremists in this country. You have dished it out for he last 2000 years, maybe it's time you got what you deserve.
Posted by Lyle on May 23, 2007 10:19 AMJesus said, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."
COPTIC GOSPEL OF THOMAS
"He who has the Son has life,
He who does not have the Son of God, does not have life."
So where do you keep him? In the basement on a pile of straw?
“For the supposed crimes of heresy and witchcraft, hundreds of women endured such persecutions and tortures that the most stolid historians are said to have wept in recording them; and no one can read them to-day but with a bleeding heart. And, as the Christian Church grew stronger, woman's fate grew more helpless. Even the Reformation and Protestantism brought no relief, the clergy being all along their most bitter persecutors, the inventors of the most infernal tortures. Hundreds and hundreds of fair young girls, innocent as the angels in heaven, hundreds and hundreds of old women, weary and trembling with the burdens of life, were hunted down by emissaries of the Church, dragged into the courts with the ablest judges and lawyers of England, Scotland and America on the bench, and tried for crimes that never existed but in the wild, fanatical imaginations of religious devotees. Women were accused of consorting with devils and perpetuating their diabolical propensities. Hundreds of these children of hypothetical origin were drowned, burned, and tortured in the presence of their mothers, to add to their death agonies. These things were not done by savages or pagans: they were done by the Church. Neither were they confined to the Dark Ages, but permitted by law in England far into the eighteenth century. The clergy everywhere sustained witchcraft as Bible doctrine, until the spirit of rationalism laughed the whole thing to scorn, and science gave mankind a more cheerful view of life.” -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Posted by Richard Grimes Risen Ape, deicide: Slayer of gods. r22037@yahoo.com on May 23, 2007 03:53 PMProverbs 26: 4
Posted by RickyLee on May 23, 2007 06:11 PMPlease don`t call Moses a great or deep thinker. Read what he told his people they could do to the captured peoples from neighboring tribes. Because God "told" him so.
The Bible is a book put together by sheep and goat herders storys, past down for generations before they even had a written language.
It is written for and by men and mostly about men. This book is not the work of any God worth paying attention to.
The ten Commandments are mostly about worshiping God, and very little about civil behavior.
No commandment against rape, child abuse or wife beating. you really think this is the word of the real God who runs, or is the Universe and its laws?
Posted by Sharon B. on May 23, 2007 07:38 PMSharon B
One day you will listen very intently and pay close attention to the God of the Bible. If you do not listen and respond positively to what He has to say to you today, through the words of the Bible, what you hear from Him as He sits on His throne and speaks to you at that time will be terrifying, above and beyond anything He had to say through the "sheep and goat herders storys".
Posted by RickyLee on May 23, 2007 08:18 PM