Jerry Falwell & abortion
Quote the Apostle Peter writing in 1Peter 2:4 ..."you also, like living stones are being built into a spiritual house .... “.
Quote the Apostle Paul writing in 1Corinthians 3:16, “Don’t you know that you are God’s Temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s Temple God will destroy him for God’s Temple is sacred and you are that Temple".
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Let's keep it to one Bible passage per letter, Mr. Thrailkill.
Posted by Jeff on May 23, 2007 03:13 PMNot only was Jerry a homophobic and misogynist also blaming Americans for 9/11 with lap dog Pat Robertson in tow, but he trashed scripture, to wit:
No life for life here as no life was lost in Deut .12:23: If the woman dies as a result of miscarriage, the man at fault must die because he committed a murder; thou shalt give life for life. If a miscarriage occurs and the woman is unharmed, the man merely pays a fine; no life for life here, as no life was lost. Deut 12:23
The blood is life. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: Lev. 17:11. The fertilized egg cells have no blood and it is only when the umbilical cord is cut after childbirth that the fetus lives as more than a part of its mother: Ex. 37:6 Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust,” signaling that it is the breath, not anything else that makes the difference between life and death. “To die one must first breathe,” after childbirth. Psa. 104.
Jim: The bible claims that the fetus is not human until it exits the birth canal and takes its first breath.
At 400 lbs I don't think Falwell stood against Gluttony - and isn't that one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS? Guess he must be in hell now with Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart & the rest.
Posted by Drew on May 23, 2007 04:16 PMBut Richard Grimes, thats not what they want the bible to say. So they don`t quote it.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 23, 2007 05:08 PM"At 400 lbs I don't think Falwell stood against Gluttony - and isn't that one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS? "- Drew
No. It's one of the seven deadly sins.
Posted by Mike on May 23, 2007 07:13 PMGrimes,
Psa 104 does not say breath defines life. It does say: 30 When you send forth you breath, they are created
The you is God and breath is sent forth at conception
Chapter 37 of Exodus says nothing about child birth. It contains God's instruction to Noah on how to build the arc.
37.6 The propitiatory was made of pure gold, one and one-half cubits long and one and one half cubits wide.
Lev. 17-11 is a dietary instruction for Jews forbidding the consumption of blood. It has nothing to do with child birth.
Deut 12-23 is also a dietary instruction - But make sure you do not partake of the blood; for blood is life. Again nothing to do with child birth.
No one smarter then Sharon B (which is to say pretty much everyone) would be taken in by your musings.
The product of giraffe conception is a giraffe. The product of human conception is a human being. That's not theology it's elementary embryology.
Yo James: With at least 350 versions/interpretations in existence, even Satan can quote scripture and make himself seem he is right. I do applaud you for perusing your own version. Mormons have their own version according to Joseph Smith and are so ashamed of it they keep it locked up. Keep looking, James. The job of a deicide will end when humans undergo extinction as the inevitable law of nature mandates.
Posted by Richard Grimes: Risen Ape, deicide that slays gods. r22037@yahoo.com on May 24, 2007 11:27 AMGrimes,
Different versions? The Grimes version isn't even on topic.. Pretty lame effort all and all.
Posted by James Jones on May 24, 2007 02:52 PMJames: Ask.com and type in the site, e.g.:
NASB: 'I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.'" (NASB ©1995)
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GWT: I will put ligaments on you, place muscles on you, and cover you with skin. I will put breath in you, and you will live. Then you will know that I am the LORD.'" (GOD'S WORD®)
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KJV: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
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ASV: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.
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BBE: And I will put muscles on you and make flesh come on you, and put skin over you, and breath into you, so that you may have life; and you will be certain that I am the Lord.
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DBY: And I will put sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.
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JPS: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.'
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WBS: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
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WEB: I will lay sinews on you, and will bring up flesh on you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am Yahweh.
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YLT: and I have given on you sinews, and cause flesh to come up upon you, and covered you over with skin, and given in you a spirit, and ye have lived, and ye have known that I am Jehovah.'
James: Until Jehovah/Yahweh or Allah do their handiwork, there is no human in the womb until the gods work their magic.
Nope. Creation is clearly God's province from your citations.
Gen 2.7 the Lord God formed man out of the caly of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.
The rest of us come from the womb. That's why the innocent human being is entitled to the community's protection from conception until the final breath.
Posted by James Jones on May 24, 2007 04:21 PMJames: Spare the readers along with myself: Do your own research. Here we have biblical compulsion for aborting: Numbers 5:27 Or suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb.
27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, [c] and she will become accursed among her people.
James, if you so desire, touch basis with me and I'll send you the sites. There are lots of sites. The bible is all Jewish and they are all misogynists just like the Christians and the Muslim: They all have a hatred of women because one woman ate a non-existent apple
similar to women stoned and hung for the impossible crime of witchcraft. Ends
The bible is clear: God made a man out of clay (Allah made him out of coagulated blood) and caused a deep sleep to come over him and performed the world's first open chest surgery by taking out one of Adam's ribs and transmogrifying it into Adams daughter, his own flesh and blood, whom he took as his wife.
In a geologic wink of the eye, Jusus Christ comes from the "loins of David" and is transmogrified into a christian god turned anti-semitic and destined to be assisted in his suicide.
This demi-god sacrifice saves man from eternal suffering in a lake of fire when the transmogrified Jew returns in sacred genocide. The sheep(Jn.10) will go to heaven, the goats will go to hell. Did you know Allah turns Jews into monkeys. The bible is clear and I enjoy this banter; the readers must be climbing the wall.
Posted by Richard Grimes: Risen Ape: Deicide, slayer of gods (Passage of time is the slayer) r22037@yahoo.com on May 24, 2007 04:34 PMRG, the trouble in the Garden of Eden wan`t caused by an apple. It was caused by a green pair.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 24, 2007 05:25 PMThe Virgin Mary was a woman and she brought Grace into the world. What's instructive is that God, though Gabriel, asked for her permission first.
The women were hung by men not God.
Geology doesn't wink and Jews are not misogynists or monkeys.
Posted by James Jones on May 24, 2007 05:31 PMSo it wasn`t date rape?
Posted by Sharon B. on May 24, 2007 09:03 PMIt wasn't a date. It wasn't rape. In fact sex wasn't even involved - that's the whole point.
Leftists ask uninteresting questions because they have so little imagination.
Posted by James Jones on May 25, 2007 05:35 AMWell, Jonesy, you should know. You post mainly from imagination, especially your imagination of what the other person was saying. Does that make you a "Leftist", too?
Posted by Old Grouch on May 25, 2007 08:54 AMHow come Adam had a naval?
Wow, procreation without sex, just what the uptight RCs want.
If Jesus had only Marys DNA, something we know about that the Bible story tellers didn`t, why wasn`t He a She?
A clone of a female is always a female.
The angle asked her permission! And of course she could have said "Well maybe not right now, seeing as how i`m pretty young and all".
Posted by Sharon B. on May 25, 2007 10:12 AMSince bibles omit and abridge, some leaving out Luke 19:27 where JC mandates assassination and some leave out Mary's other children: Josas, Simon, James, Judas and daughters claiming ascension: It becomes clear that the world's space walker is the Virgin Mary to preserve her virginity after JC's birth. And what idiot would take termites aboard a wooden ark?
Posted by RG: Member of the deicide r22037@yahoo.com on May 25, 2007 11:02 AMThanks Sharon, that was funny.
Posted by Bango Skank on May 25, 2007 12:39 PMWelcome Shank, but the termites was better. Never thought of that.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 25, 2007 07:17 PMYou think that's funny. How about when Grimes fabricates
The fertilized egg cells have no blood and it is only when the umbilical cord is cut after childbirth that the fetus lives as more than a part of its mother: Ex. 37:6
and Sharon B writes
But Richard Grimes, thats not what they want the bible to say. So they don`t quote it.
Now that's funny.
Or, did you hear the one about how Sharon B stopped believing in the Bible when she learned it rejects the Theory of Light?
She's a lot funnier when she's serious.
Grimes,
The Bible doesn't say what you say it says.
Luke 19 is a parable not a homily.
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 12:48 AMOld Grouch,
I posted that leftists have little imagination. That's actually the opposite of saying they have a lot of imagination.
You too can formulate coherent gratuitous insults but you must learn to focus, Old Grouch, focus!
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 12:53 AMThank you for your clarification, Jonesy, I stand corrected. What you are really sayng then is that your vivid imagination marks you as being a reactionary Right-wing-nut.
In future, I shall keep your self-identificaion in "focus", as you wish; and I certainly hope others do as well.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 26, 2007 07:01 AMJJ, some times we make tiny mistakes or don`t do enough research to satisfy you, but you miss all the humor in our stuff.
Besides, we are just funning and you are dead serious.
Did Mary have brothers and sisters? Imaging someone saying "I want you to meet my nephew God"
In order to reduce the ridicule factor in this story, it is necessary for Jesus to be an only child, without children of his own. Otherwise God gets grandchildren, aunts and uncles and so on.
I often post to you, but I almost never post ABOUT you. Get over me.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 26, 2007 09:37 AMSharon B: You are terrific. Shaupeen falls into the same category: 10,000 mourning the Fruit's death with women in attendance. I can understand the ignorant prostrating themselves for the fruit of the tree and the fruit prostrating himself for the fruit of the Virgin as a result of David (of his loins) penetration or the result of spontaneous combustion; however, when the intelligent seek dalliance with a Jew that goad Falwell type characters into existence I go bonkers.
Allsop was indignant that a mummery of an outworn creed (a church service) would be imposed to recognize a man who had fought hard to free fellow humans from the degradation of superstition. Seeing there are no signs nor fruit of religion but in man only, there is no cause to doubt but that the seed of religion is also only in man.
They that approve a private opinion call it opinion; but they that mislike it, heresy; and yet heresy signifies no more than private opinion, with Falwell placing so much value on his bias and prejudice aka common sense/personal opinion that he would roast men and women on account of it.
Falwell was fond of turning other’s opinion into heresy and was surely a reincarnation of the Church’s grand Inquisitionist who loved disrobing women and poking them with prickers (sharp pliers like scissors for excising) in search of devil sign.
Sharon B,
You lack a rudimentary understanding of Christian theology. The foundational tenet is that Jesus was a man. A human being just like you. Jesus had a family. It is well-documented the Jesus had brothers, a mother and a father. The organizing principle of Christianity is the "God was made man."
Pointing out the humor of your posts is anything but deadly serious work.
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 06:06 PMOld Grouch,
That's better but "imaginative reactionary nut" needs a little work. It sends a mixed message.
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 06:09 PMGrimes,
You have my deep sympathy. Falwell's passing is deeply upsetting for you.
Now you'll have to find some new nasty enemy to play the role of whipping boy. And Falwell was so perfect.
I would recommed you stay with a Christian for the new hobgoblin - they're the safest targets.
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 06:16 PMJonesy,
"Rudimentary understanding of Christian
Theology", from you?
The Christian Symbolion specifically states:
"The Only-Begotten Son of God. Bogotten of the Father before all ages."
No "brothers".
It really would be interesting if you ever did take the time to learn something about the subjects you so imaginatively present in your postings. But, there is that old saying: "Ignorance is bliss." And you must be among the most blissful of men.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 26, 2007 06:51 PMOld Grouch,
Jesus had brothers and they were not begotten they were made.
A group of persons closely connected with the Saviour appears repeatedly in the New Testament under the designation "his brethren" or "the brethren of the Lord" (Matthew 12:46, 13:55; Mark 3:31-32, 6:3; Luke 8:19-20; John 2:12, 7:3-5; Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 9:5). Four such "brethren" are mentioned by name in the parallel texts of Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 (where "sisters" are also referred to), namely, James (also mentioned Galatians 1:19), Joseph, or Joses, Simon, and Jude; the incidental manner in which these names are given, shows, however, that the list lays no claim to completeness.
Did you actually think that Jesus was an only son? You might want to scroll up and read Grimes on this topic. He can at least instruct you on the history.
It is already established that you are an ignoramus of spectaular proportion but this revelation even further magnifies even your ignorance.
Posted by James Jones on May 26, 2007 08:20 PMWell Jonesy, your franchise of the Je$u$ Bu$ine$$ may teach as it teaches. And, of course, you may believe as you believe.
The same is true of Grimes, who often mis-quotes/mis-interprets, as do so many who know no CHRISTIAN Theology.
You were offered a goodly number of texts, and sources, from which to at least try to read, and find out what CHRISTIANITY is, and what CHRISTIANS believe and teach. However, as is usual, you have opened none of them. Which, of course, makes you an "expert", as are the other Elmer Gantrys and their followers.
CHRISTIANS also always refer to "The Holy Ever-Virgin Theotokos (God-Bearer)" - or in the Latin, "Mater Dei" (Mother of God). The key words there are, of course, "EVER-VIRGIN." No additional children of either gender.
Were you to study CHRISTIANITY, you would also learn that the word, "brother", applies to close collateral relations, including cousins, in the languages of that time. Just as today, CHRISTIANS use familial words (Brother and Sister, as well as Father and Mother) to designate fellow members of the Body of Christ on Earth, His Church.
I can't help but call to mind Harvey Cox, a Baptist Preacher who wrote a book titled, "Feast of Fools". In the book, he clearly states he has never set foot inside a Roman Church in his life; and has not the slightest bit of knowledge concerning Orthodox Christianity as well. Nevertheless, he spends many pages telling the world how these "ought to" Celebrate their Divine Liturgies, and what they "ought to" believe and teach as well.
His work was all the rage among those who "knew all about how it ought to be; so don't bother them with any facts about what it really is " some 40+ years ago. And it is fairly obvious that he has many followers even today.
As a Christian of some 60 years - quite a bit of them spent studying CHRISTIANITY, as well as living it - I would simply ask: Who then, is the "ignoramus"? Or, should you prefer: Who then is the "fool"?.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 27, 2007 08:19 AMOld Grouch,
The plain fact is that Jesus was a man. He had a father, mother and brothers.
You wrote
"The Only-Begotten Son of God. Bogotten of the Father before all ages."
No "brothers".
That's not correct. The fact that Christians believe Jesus is the only son of God does not mean they think he was an only child in his earthly family.
Now you change tact and refer to ever virgin.
That is correct. Jesus' brothers were born of Mary.
Did you want to make some point in this regard?
Posted by James Jones on May 27, 2007 09:35 AMJonesy,
The point is self-evident. The Holy Ever-Virgin God-Bearer (Theotokos) could not have remained "Ever-Virgin" and given birth to additonal children.
CHRISTIANITY believes that God became man, in a unique miracle. NOT that, somehow, a man became God, out of a family.
Again, I suggest you study CHRISTIAN Theology, BEFORE attempting to refute it.
Posted by Old Grouch on May 27, 2007 10:09 AMOld Grouch,
Let's go back a minute.
Sharon B posted:
"Did Mary have brothers and sisters? Imaging someone saying "I want you to meet my nephew God"
One of the fundamental teachings of Christianity is that Jesus was a man with a mother, father and family. Jesus did not just ride down of a mountain on a stallion. He was born in a manger. That is an important theologic point.
So we can imagine someone saying that "I want you to meet my nephew Jesus." Prior to the ascension they probably would not have referred to Jesus as God.
I pointed out the important and interesting fact to Sharon B that Jesus actually did have a family and you came back with:
The Only-Begotten Son of God. Bogotten of the Father before all ages."
No "brothers".
Which is illogical and, as it happens, untrue.
I point out that your position is silly and then you come back with the teaching that Mary is ever virgin in Christian theology. Which is true. It's equally true that Jesus was not made by Joseph but begotten by God.
Your point relative to Sharon B is not clear and I asked you what your point actaully is and you tell me that it is self-evident and that I ought to stop trying to refute Christian theology.
You probably won't appreciate this but in my opinion you are an absolute treasure. A crude and vulgar treasure at times but always a treasure.
I know of no one else that could come up with your reasoning. Please keep posting.
Posted by James Jones on May 27, 2007 10:53 AMI`m so confused now, my eyes are crossed.
"Mary is ever virgin, which is true". So that means no sex for the whole of her life. Forget other children, I remember saying I belileve in Jesue Christ, born of the virgin Mary. Didn`t that mean virgin for ever, or just virgin when he was concieved.?
Protestant have long felt that Jesus had brothers and sisters born of Mary, because that was the normal way for a family to live.
The only people I personally know who call that blasphamy (sp) and get angry about it are RCs.
Now an RC says it is so.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 27, 2007 11:35 AMTo quote Charles B:
Who cares about ghosts and fairy tales anyway?
Posted by Yo Mamma on May 27, 2007 10:35 PM