Marijuana
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Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!!!
Posted by Tbone on May 9, 2007 03:18 PMI had such severe nausea once that I would have chewed pot raw to stop it.
My Doctor told me that itching and nausea, more then pain, can drive a person crazy. They will do desperate things to cure either condition.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 9, 2007 03:22 PMBut according to the commercials, if I smoke marijuana I might end up playing with a loaded gun and shooting my best friend. That is if I don't end up driving over a little girl first. I think I will stick to perfectly harmless whisky, which is safe because it is legal.
Posted by Sean on May 9, 2007 03:31 PMWhen will they learn that lying to kids about drugs doesn't prevent usage. They inevitabely try some pot and figure out it isn't anything like adults warned them. Their next logical step is that adults have been lying about all drugs so no need to fear any of them.
Posted by KW on May 9, 2007 03:51 PMNotwithstanding the possible medical benefits (I'll accept what the doctor says), let's not overlook the fact that marijuana has known physical and mental side effects. In other words, it is not "harmless".
Posted by anderson on May 9, 2007 04:13 PMOMG Anderson, I actually agree with you for once. However, if I was suffering and was told by a physician that marijuana would help I would definately try it. The only problem I might encounter is that I am a non-smoker.
Posted by A on May 9, 2007 04:44 PMKW,
"When will they learn that lying to kids about drugs doesn't prevent usage. They inevitabely try some pot and figure out it isn't anything like adults warned them. Their next logical step is that adults have been lying about all drugs so no need to fear any of them."
I think we've found an elusive point of common ground at last. Thanks for the lucid point.
Posted by Charles B on May 9, 2007 06:31 PManderson,
"let's not overlook the fact that marijuana has known physical and mental side effects. In other words, it is not "harmless"."
The question isn't wether it's harmless or not, but rather, how dangerous is it?
I don't think a thing exists that is truly harmless.
Can you think of a recreational, mood-altering drug that does less harm?
Posted by Charles B on May 9, 2007 06:36 PMWhile I and many others that are concerned about being healthy would never consume any prescription drugs, because they have no benefits and kill about 106,000 Americans each year, this doctor makes sense on his views about cannabis.
I have traveled to free countries that allow adults to use cannabis for healing and enjoyment, like Holland, Denmark, Spain and Portugal and Switzerland and it is clear that Big Pharma, Police State U.S.A. and their agents will continue to naively criminalize simple possession of a creator given plant that can never be a "Controlled Substance". A plant that grows just about anywhere, can never be a controlled substance. The government of the U.S.A. does this simply to protect the profits of Big Pharma, who stand to lose a lot of money if cannabis (nicknamed by DEA man Harry Anslinger as "marijuana") becomes legal.
No matter what the twisted and oppressive American government does, cannabis is here to stay and will never go away. It can be grown any just about anywhere on the planet and those that choose to heal by using plants, like cannabis, or other herbs that grow naturally in nature in all 50 states and around the world, have the creator given right to avoid poisonous Big Pharma manufactured chemicals that kill at over 300 Americans every day in America and select cannabis instead.
Thank you Dr Melamede for your letter.
For an interesting view, here is an excellent and creative cannabis farm. It is too bad they got busted but cannabis is everywhere, will survive and nature and will always provide for those that want or need. That is why the creator provided it and did not provide poisonous prescription drugs. It can be grown for free as nature intended. Just becaues you don't like it does not mean that others cannot have it.
http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin19.htm
Posted by Herb on May 9, 2007 06:41 PM"The question isn't whether it's harmless or not, but rather, how dangerous is it?"
Charles, I think the harm can be significant. Like alcohol, some handle the drug seemingly without effect, but others not so well. There is a physical dependency (see Web MD for confirmation). And lethargy and paranoia often result as well, and like smoking, it probably does signficant damage to heart and lungs. I'm just concerned that people present it as being harmless--especially when it is presented to young people.
Posted by anderson on May 9, 2007 06:51 PMI must have entered The Twilight Zone. I actually agree with points made by Sean, Anderson, and Charles B.
KW- it's nice to see that I'm not alone here.
As with most things, when taken in moderation, it's probably not going to harm you; the problem is when it goes beyond moderate use. But, that also applies to alcohol, red meat, ice cream, advil, sun exposure, and just about everything else.
Posted by Mike on May 9, 2007 07:01 PMThank you Mike. But watch out for people like Anderson. Anderson wants to dictate what you do and that is UNAMERICAN!
Anderson, let's suppose we use your money to go after everyone you disagee with that uses plants you like to be crimimalized. Those that choose to use and medicate and or enjoy cannabis are amused by your comments.
So, Smoke 'em if you got 'em and go outside and enjoy nature:)
anderson,
"Charles, I think the harm can be significant."
Significant enough that you think it should be illegal for an adult to consume?
If so, what about tobacco and alchohol? Would you concede that the negative health effects of these two legal substances are far greater than marijuana?
Should this inconsistency stand? How to resolve it? Prohibition of all three?
Nah man.
Legalize it.
Posted by Charles B on May 9, 2007 08:20 PMAnderson, can we borrow several milion "Federal Reserve Notes" to keep cannabis users out of jail? Good! Pardon me while I smoke one. I looked down the street and I don't see,you so it is ok. Mmmm magic smoke........
Posted by Herb on May 9, 2007 08:38 PMThat is right. I just obtained a brand new bag of cannabis buds for us to enjoy and I do not care about Anderson. So we will fire up now..
Great option, as RMN is not allowed by their fascist dictators to discuss this in the fake newspaper news. Just get a subscription!
Posted by Herb on May 9, 2007 09:08 PMRead soon beause RNN taketh away soon anything they want hidden about 9/11truth or cannabis.
Posted by Herb on May 9, 2007 09:30 PMGod damn if we haven't finally found a topic to agree on. I'm sure there must be more.
The medical benefits should not be denied to those that have had no success with other alternatives.
The medical question is a no brainer.
Legalization and taxation would simultaneously unburden our prison system of non violent criminals while providing millions of dollars in revenue.
If responsibly regulated.
Not to hijack this thread but..
Fifty years from now I truly believe people will compare Al Gores "Inconvenient Truth" to "Reefer Madness'.
Posted by GET REAL on May 9, 2007 11:00 PMhigh everybody, lol
i am a recreation smoker as well as some of my family, i was raised around reefer, ganja, wacky tabacky, smokage, pot, whatever you wanna call it.anyhow, i have never seen any violence caused from reefer cept' by police who are arresting people over it day and night ..i even got to smoke with sen. Ken Gorman once(yay) on the capital steps of colorodo good times.
the biggest threat to people about Marijuana is as follows:a threat to the medical companies for their strong hold on drugs regulated by the government and making so much money off of the people vis medicade adn healthcare perscriptions
2:gas adn oil companies,you can create fuel through the hemp plant and it is cheap to grow as well(weed, any unwanted flower in your garde, grows anywhere)
3:causes happiness and erhoria cant have any fun with out police interuption ,
4:DOW CHEMICALS is one of the biggest supporters against hemp being grown for these pourpuses they are a chemical company who thrives off of petro products
reasond Marijuana is good are as follows,
1causes happiness and erphoria, (psychotropic herb)
2:will end all petro products cause' hemp can be made into a fuel to power cars adn houses and for the environMENTAList out there it sure burns cleaner (who doesnt know a hippie who doesnt smoke)
3:cures suffering adn nausia, relieves pain, doesnt have to be smokes can be eaten, chewed, or drank as a tea
4: no reports or cases EVER of a Marijuana overdose or death causeed by Marijuana EVER!!!!
more people die every day from alcohol related deaths than any common street drug, but thats ok cause' it is legal in all 50 states
so do like i do and so many people should, contact your congressman, state governmental and fedral government let them know how you feel Aabout these issues, only we the people can make hte difference, cause it is in our constitution the we choould be able to smoke reefer, the pusuit of life, liberty and of course happiness,
and reefer makes me happy!!!
sorry for all the misspelled words, 7.44 am in the morning, still waking up, lol
Posted by hoimaha on May 10, 2007 07:47 AMWell now you guys have ruined everything. How am I suppose to get all fired up in a debate if we all seem to agree. And now I'll probably have to have some degree of respect for your opinions in other threads.
Crap, whats this blog coming to?
Posted by KW on May 10, 2007 09:03 AMHow dangerous is marijuana compared to other substances? It is not dangerous.
See for your self:
http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html
Posted by Herb on May 10, 2007 11:27 AMI see Herb wants to make up my positions out of thin air. But then that's how it tends to go in this formats: we find enemies, even in shadows, and expend all our energy trying to knock them down. Much simpler and satisfying than applying the difficult art of reading comprehension.
Charles, I don't have all the answers or a specific position regarding our arguably flawed drug laws, but I wasn't suggesting I did. I was just making a point to counter a rhetorical argument ("it's harmless") often made. With jack's like Herb running around, I've kind of lost interest in the discussion except to say to the anti-immigrant hypocrites who smoke or have smoked marijuana, or who argue we should change the law: IT'S DA LAW! WHAT PART OF DA LAW DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Posted by anderson on May 10, 2007 11:51 AMYeah.
And "DA LAW" says tobacco's OK.
Forget that it is THE NUMBER ONE
preventable killer in this country.
Far above ALL illegal drugs, alchohol,
gun violence ,and auto fatalities combined.
(tobacco KILLS 430,000 annually, in this country alone)
anderson, you say that hypocrite thing as if YOU'VE never broken any laws.
How's YOUR glass house?
...get ready folks, for a sarcastic, pointless response...
Lets get real here...a bunch of hop heads are now claiming medicinal qualities so they can get marijuana legalized! Why don't we ALL get real...we just want the damn stuff legalized so we can smoke it without fear! Pot is the least harmful of all the mind altering substances out there...but it's illegal, makes no sense to me or anyone else. I don't smoke (but have in the past) but think the "medicine" argument is hurting the cause because it is so moronic. Yea, when I feel bad I have a cocktail...and it helps...is that medicinal? I'm all for legalization, but start making valid points...by the way...I'm one of those "Law Enforcement" people mentioned before in the typical rhetoric.
Posted by my name 2 on May 10, 2007 01:33 PMMy wife doesn't smoke pot. It makes her very sleepy. She suffers from terrible migrane headaches to the point of throwing up. At this point, the expensive (and, I imagine, powerful and dangerous) pills for her headaches are
completely worthless because she can't keep them down long enough for them to take effect. A few years ago, she called me at work in this condition to take her to the emergency room for a shot. Previously we'd been through this, and the shots were Morphine or Demerol, in pretty big doses.
So, I'm driving home thinking of the $150.00
co-pay and hit on an idea. When I got home, I had her smoke a little of the TOP SHELF reefer I had on hand. Five minutes later she was laying in bed saying she felt TONS better,
and five minutes after that, she was asleep. She slept long enough for the migrane to subside.
These days, she keeps a little Tupperware container of "medecine" on hand, and we haven't been to the emergency room for a shot since.
There's nobody who can tell me pot didn't help her MEDICAL condition. The shots were designed to put her asleep, same as the pot did.
There's nobody who can convince me that she's safer with a heavy dose of opiate drugs.
Anyone care to try?
Posted by RickyLee on May 10, 2007 02:23 PMAnderson, you are the jackass running around.. Your story that cannabis damages the heart and lungsand causes lethargy and paranoia is BS. That is not our of thin air, you have posted this comment. Cannabis is harmless and has never killed anyone. Just because the government is trying to protect the dangerous and deadly prescription drug dealers by declaring cannabis illegal, does not make it go away. Every year in America, about 106,000 innocent Americans are killed because their doctor convinces them to eat poisonous pharmaceutial drugs that have never cured anyone of anything. Maybe you should be concerned about this.
Posted by Herb on May 10, 2007 02:50 PMHerb, keep playing stupid. Smoking pot will help.
Posted by anderson on May 10, 2007 03:16 PMOnce again Herb illustrates the problems with the pro-legalization movement.
1) He presents himself as a stereotypical stoner which annoys or even disgusts most of the general population. Thus stimulating the reaction in some of "Well I thought pot was ok, but if it makes you act like that, never mind"
2) He holds ludicrous positions "all prescription drugs are bad" and "Every year in America, about 106,000 innocent Americans are killed because their doctor convinces them to eat poisonous pharmaceutical (spelling corrected by me) drugs that have never cured anyone of anything."
Claiming all prescription drugs are harmful and provide no benefit is akin to claiming the earth is flat, I mean really. It’s hard to take any positions seriously from a person or group who seriously assert that antibiotics don't kill bacteria. Really now, this is something you can watch occur under a microscope. Herb is inflating what could be a rational claim "some prescription drugs do more harm than good" into a totalitarian stance. I wonder in Herbs world, would pot become bad and ineffective two if it were legalized for medical use and produced and sold by a pharmaceutical company? Is it the act of a drug being prescribed that makes it useless? Or is it the case that all drugs not being consumed by Herb are bad?
In any case, again this turns off the general public.
3) Herb also uses statistics poorly. If his 106,000 people die from prescription drugs each year is true, which I doubt. He is not providing a basis of comparison. For example I would guess that it would be easy to show that more than 106,000 people a year die in car accidents, does Herb argue that cars are evil too? Does he abstain from riding in cars or busses? I doubt it and people see through crappy statistics easily.
I support legalization, but it’s never going to happen until the pro legalization crowd until they put together a professional, sober, intelligent PR campaign and actively disassociate themselves from the stereotypical stoner crowd. They need a leader who has never and will never use pot socially to advocate for legalization based on the necessity of pluralistic freedom. They need to stand apart from people like Herb and make the case that most pot users are not obnoxious stoner, but are reasonable intelligent productive members of society who use either socially and responsibly or for medical use.
Allowing stoners to champion legalization is a little like allowing the public face of social alcohol use to be a bunch of drunks.
2) He holds ludicrus positions "all perscription drugs are bad" and "Every year in America, about 106,000 innocent Americans are killed because their doctor convinces them to eat poisonous pharmaceutial drugs that have never cured anyone of anything."
Claiming all perscription drugs are harmful and provide no benefit is akin to claiming the earth is flat, I mean really. Its hard to take any positions seriously from a person or group who seriously asert that antibiotics don't kill bacteria. Really now, this is something you can watch occur under a microscope. Herb is inflating what could be a rational claim "some perscription drugs do more harm than good" into a totalitarian stance. I wonder in Herbs world, would pot become bad and ineffective two if it were legalized for medical use and produced and sold by a pharmasutical company?
Posted by Keri on May 10, 2007 04:12 PMWell, Keri I guess I must respond. Please excuse The Rocky Mountain News for not providing spell check and then perhaps those that are reading this post will forgive you for the mistake you make (two instead of to..see your post) and that I made a typographical error. Please excuse me for not having my dictionary handy Keri. I will do better next time.
Since Herb is just an invented name, because as a medical professional, employed at a major Denver metropolitan Medical Center, I choose to use a surname, your blind assumption that I am somehow a "sterotypical stoner" is absurd and that it "disgusts most of the general population" displays your arrogance and naive prefernce to label people in this manner when you know nothing about them except what you have read on this blog.
"Herb uses his statistics poorly" Wrong Keri! According to a new book by Pharmaceutical (correct spelling) Chemist Shane Ellison, author "Health Myths Exposed", available on amazon.com, page 45, "Courtesy of Direct -To-Consumer (DTC), advertising, Western Medicine's plague of deception is deadly. Well-documented in scientific journals and reported by media outlets nationwide, FDA approved drugs kill an estimated 106,000 people every year. That equates to one individual dying every five minutes from "approved drugs". To put this into perspective, Keri, that is almost twice the number of people killed in the Vietnam war (58,000) every year. References are clearly noted in the book Keri. But doubting what you wish to be untrue does not make it so.
If you non-read fiction books and consider that the propaganda machine against medical or recreational cannabis use is alive and well in police state America, because of Big Pharma, you would see right through the ridiculous lies you are absorbing and not parrot stuff you see on TV and know nothing about, but seem to belive to be true.
"I wonder in Herbs world, would pot ( you mean cannabis ) became bad and ineffective two (bad spelling keri) if it were legalized for medical use and produced and sold by a pharmasutical company" Keri, it is because of the drug companies that cannabis is illegal in the U.S., because it is not dangerous, cannot be patented and threatens their poisonous and profitable market. When it was made illegal, it just went underground and an enormous black market was created that did not exist before. It did not go away, it just allows people to make a lot of money without paying taxes. Keri, get out your passport, travel to Amsterdam, Holland like I do and enjoy cannabis without the fear of arrest. What a civilized society. Or keep displaying ignorance. Doctors who prescribe these harmful drugs have nothing to do with the safety of automobiles Keri. And yes, I like my 2006 Toyota 4 Runner just fine.
Prescription drugs may kill bacteria Keri but there are no documented cases of any prescripton drugs ever curing anything. If you find this to be true, which you will not, please market this drug and you will be a rich person. If you are sucessful, then the world really is flat keri
.
Posted by Herb on May 10, 2007 06:16 PMYou see, no one is really who you think they are in the forums.
Posted by Sharon B. on May 10, 2007 07:57 PMYikes!!!!!!!!
I am and always will be RickyLee.
I'm still waiting for someone to try and tell me a couple puffs of the KGB is potentially more
harmful to my migrane stricken wife than
a big dose of Morphine or Demerol.
OR: tell me that's not legitimate medicinal use.
After all, the shots were to make her sleep, just like the weed did quite well, and continues to do, when she gets a migrane of that severity.
I've never claimed pot is harmless. I will venture the opinion that it is FAR more harmless that Morphine or Demerol, yet achieves the same medicinal result in my wife. And, considering it takes a dollar's worth or so, at FAR LESS COST.
Posted by RickyLee on May 10, 2007 08:19 PMWell Herb,
I guess a lot depends on what you mean by using the word "cure".
Not all of us are sufficiently trained in medical practice to differentiate between "alleviate", "symptomatic relief", and such other terms as the general public considers "cure" to be a sort of catch-all for in general use.
And, when writing up a chart, or discussing the matter among other health-care personnel, no one should be expected to substitute something such as "cure" for the specific action, or benefit, to the patient.
Out here on the blog, however; things are usually being presented in ways somewhat less technical. But you have done a good job of clearing up the confusion; and I, for one, thank you for the clarification.
I come from the day and age when cannabis was on the counter in the drug store - in what were called "bronchial cigarettes" - and Paragoric and Codeine Cough Syrup were "signature items", not prescription required.
Our present "war on drugs" really comes out of the days when Prohibition was repealed; and all the kooks, jerks, crack-pots, and nuts, bolts, and loose screwballs in the Je$u$ Bu$ine$$ couldn't rant and blather on about "saving your soul from Demon Rum".
So, today, we have "dangerous drugs" for the Elmer - and Elmira - Gantrys to "save us" from. (With tobacco now heading for top of the list.)
A line from Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream say it so well: "What fools these mortals be."
Posted by Old Grouch on May 10, 2007 08:46 PM"Yikes!!!!!!!!
I am and will always be RickyLee. What ??? What you tryin' to say?
Posted by Herb on May 10, 2007 09:34 PMI'm sayin I don't use false names.
Posted by RickyLee on May 11, 2007 05:22 AMGood boy RickyLee, now include your email address and telephone number so we an varify that you are not fibbing.
Posted by Herb on May 11, 2007 05:43 AMJust pointing out I stand fully behind what I say.
I'll be at Mike O'Shay's pub in Longmont on Main this evening round 5 or 6 if you'd like to meet me. Ask a bartender to point me out.
I'm on your side by the way, so why the sarcastic post?
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