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School massacres

Friday, May 11 at 11:09 AM

David Cook of Loveland writes:

When are we going to be willing to admit that we know what causes the slaughter in schools in this country?
Years ago we did not have this problem. For many years it was taught that:
a. There is a God and you are responsible to him for your conduct in life.
b. You are significant, loved, and he has a wonderful plan for your life.
c. All things were created.
For the last 50 years we have experimented with:
a. There is no God and you are responsible to no one for your conduct in life.
b. You’re insignificant, a savage who will slaughter or be slaughtered; there’s no morality in life.
c. All things evolved.
Now, which one of those worldviews do you think is responsible for the slaughter? If you still are not persuaded, look at history. The second worldview was held by Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, just to name a few, justifying between 100 million and 300 million dead just in the last century because of it.
The T-shirt worn by Eric Harris during the Columbine slaughter read “Natural Selection.”
And that is what your kids will be force-fed in school tomorrow.
“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” (Proverbs 22:6)

READER COMMENTS

Lets just put the 10 Commandments & Focus on the Family leaflets in all schools and everything will be sunshine and roses again!

I was going to go with list "B" on old Dave's list but then I realized all things couldn't have evolved - I mean, look at Dave's mind!

Posted by Drew on May 11, 2007 02:04 PM

Why can't we be responsible to our fellow human beings instead of some mythological gu in the sky?

Posted by Repugnants on May 11, 2007 02:09 PM

Sometimes there is no amount of nourishing and teaching that will undo someone born ill.

It is important we keep them away from guns.

The Bad Seed came out in 1956, is about a charming pigtailed eight-year-old whose apparently perfect manners mask a genetically engineered mini-murderess.

Posted by David DiBello on May 11, 2007 02:27 PM

To 02:09PM - I completely agree, but that is not what we teach our children. We allow schools teach that the individual is not reponsable for their actions. That they only do something because of some bad treatment in their past and it is not their fault if they fail or hurt someone. There is no repect for your neighbor being taught.

Posted by on May 11, 2007 02:34 PM

"You are significant, loved, and he has a wonderful plan for your life."

But if you do anything to make the Big Guy angry you will be tortured in Hell with fire & brimstone where you will writhe and scream and curse and have your liver eaten for eternity, and have to listen to James Dobson's radio show 24 hours a day - BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU!!!

Posted by Drew on May 11, 2007 03:18 PM

"We allow schools teach that the individual is not reponsable for their actions."

Hey, 2:34, what in the world are you talking about??!! You are a nimrod. No wonder you don't sign your name to your post--then everyone would know who the huge moron is. Schools have to work extra hard to teach kids about responsibility and consequences for their choices/actions because of sad-sacks like you. When was the last time you were in a school? I don't mean when you dropped out of 4th grade either. And finally, you don't allow anything, except for the rest of us to hear your pot-bellied whinning. Shut your mouth please. There's very little chance of anything intelligent coming out of it, so there's no need to keep it open. Here's an idea you jerk, go to a school, and volunteer. Then you can see what really happens there. Until then, shut up!

Posted by mr. crab on May 11, 2007 03:23 PM

"Now, which one of those worldviews do you think is responsible for the slaughter?"

I think the individuals who pulled the triggers are responsible for the slaughters. Have you really run out of scapegoats in the church that you are now trying to pin blame on world views? Is that the same reasoning that you use to console all those innocent boys after the priests raped them? "Sorry, Johnny, but the current world view is to blame for the priest anally raping you." Yeah, I'm sure the altar boys didn't buy it either.

Posted by shaupeen on May 11, 2007 03:33 PM

Sayings by Hitler:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Posted by Truth on May 11, 2007 04:44 PM

David Cook: "For the last 50 years we have experimented with

"b. You’re insignificant, a savage who will slaughter or be slaughtered; there’s no morality in life."

I'm not aware of anyone who has experimented with that. But then I am not acquainted with the people David runs around with.

Posted by Truth on May 11, 2007 04:52 PM

Thus spake David Cook of Loveland! Gee, and here I was thinking he didn't love us anymore. How long has it been since his last letter to the editor? Three weeks? A whole month? I'd gotten so used to seeing his name at least once a week I'd actually begun missing him. (Trivia fans: remember Mrs. Miller, the perennial audience member on "The Tonight Show"? Johnny Carson was never the same after she died. David Cook of Loveland is kind of the Rocky Mountain New Opinion section's version of Mrs. Miller. Most other newspapers won't publish more than one letter to the editor from the same person within two or three months.)

So, David Cook of Loveland, long time no read! Let's catch up. Actually, we don't really need to. It's been pretty much same-old-same-old around here. Nobody has anything particularly new to say; and, as I notice, neither do you.

Posted by Hans Christian Brando on May 11, 2007 06:37 PM

But Jim Jones is back in the jungles of Guyana, or on vacation.

Posted by Yo MAma on May 11, 2007 08:52 PM

David Cook,

Logically incoherant, based on superstitious nonsense, rife with fingerpointing, spittle-choked leaps of stupidity abound, congratulations on one of the worst letters to the editor I've ever read David! Your reputation is again confirmed as a rube for the ages!

Posted by Charles B on May 11, 2007 09:45 PM

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

Now where is this "Soros" person, to chide you all for not being "nice", and encouraging you to begin engaging in "dialogue" with the letter writer? After all, this is something of a typical list of "conservative ideas", isn't it?

Posted by Old Grouch on May 12, 2007 07:53 AM

OG,

I need Soros around to guide me, otherwise I might react indignantly when the following is implied about me:

"You’re insignificant, a savage who will slaughter or be slaughtered;"

Ah yes, the civility...

Posted by Charles B on May 12, 2007 08:22 AM

Charles B.,

"Civility" TOWARDS "conservatives" being obligatory, of course. Never mind the idea of "civility" being a two way street. Doesn't it remind you a lot of someone else who posts rather regularly; but gets all uptight and huffy about it when cornered, or criticized;?

And then we have the ones who don't like this forum, because it doesn't conform to all the rules and regulations of providing a profile, etc., etc., before being "allowed" to join.

Isn't it wonderful how so many are there, both eager and ready, to "civilize" the rest of us? All good "conservatives", naturally.

Posted by Old Grouch on May 12, 2007 09:22 AM

Why are there so many shool shooting now?The answer is simple.I think it was in the 60's when the ACLU went to court to stop insane people from being committed to mental hospitals.That is one of the main reasons the homeless population increased.What they started to do is give these dangerous individuals a handful of pills and send them on their way.My source is Michael Reagan president Ronald Reagan's son.So once again you can thank the liberals for the school shooting that were rare before 60's.

Posted by Ron on May 12, 2007 10:13 AM

Once again, Ron is full of it.

You won't find any support for Ron's false and asinine claim that the ACLU was responsible for the deinstitutinalization movement for the mentally ill.

A google search of Michael Reagan and the ACLU does not turn up a discussion by Reagan in which he blames the ACLU for the deinstitutionalization movement

Only a jackass would lay the deinstitutionalization movement at the door of the ACLU. This was a broadly based and supported movement, supported as much by civil libertarians as anyone.

There were many cases in which people's civil rights were violated by their involuntary incarceration in mental institutions. However, most people recognize that the movement went too far.

A big problem today is the opposition of the NRA types to laws which would permit law law enforcement authorities to know more about the mental health condition of gun permit applicants who have had a history of mental health problems in and out of mental institutions. I don't think many people would resist the notion that the people like the VT killer and the Columbine killers have mental problems. However, the NRA doesn't seem to want them to be excluded from carry around loaded guns.

Posted by Truth on May 12, 2007 11:43 AM

Here is some information about the deinstitutionalization movement, taken from Wikipedia:

"In the early 1960s in U.S., amid public images of mental hospitals as sites for horror movies, a deinstitutionalisation movement caught hold in many states. At the time, mental hospitals were viewed as the least desirable solution to the problem of mental illness, both from a humane point of view and an economic one. California, for example, began to scale back its large mental health system in favour of community-based care, whereby smaller clinics would provide care. Although many facilities were emptied, outpatient services proved severely inadequate, a disaster according to some, which has only recently been addressed with the enactment of the California Mental Health Services Act."

The California Mental Health Services Act calls for more, oh-oh, taxes. Which is a clue to why the conservatives also liked the idea of closing down mental hospitals; they cost money.

Posted by Truth on May 12, 2007 11:48 AM

Michael Reagan? Let's see now. Was that the ballet dancing son old Ronnie wished HE could have kept locked up in a closet?

Or, was that the one who wouldn't have anything to do with either Daddy's politics or second wife?

What difference does it make anyway?

Posted by Old Grouch on May 12, 2007 01:44 PM

Wow! such calumny directed at a person of faith.Drew should stop ripping off George Carlin.Hans,Truth,Mr.Crab and Charles B. REALLY need to sit back and light up a Marlboro.

Posted by Jimminy on May 12, 2007 07:19 PM

Truth does not know what he is talking about.Mike Reagan has his own talk radio show.I called his show every week.He told me on the air it was the ACLU that pushed to let the insane people walk the streets.Truth is just trying to cover his liberal butt.Liberals cause most of the problems we have and then try to blame the Right to Keep Bear Arms.You can fight these anti gun liberals by joining the NRA.1-877-NRA-2000. Bill Clinton said he lost the House and Senate in 1994 because he pushed the Assault Weapon Ban and the Brady Bill.He blamed the NRA for his loss.Also most Democrats think Al Gore lost to George Bush because of the gun issue and the NRA.There were at least 5 states that Gore should have won but did not because of the NRA.Also a few years ago Fortune 500 magazine rated the NRA as the most powerful lobby in the US.It is because of the 4 million members that the NRA is so strong.Join today!!!

Posted by Ron on May 14, 2007 07:50 AM

Also in the 60s there were no Background Checks to buy guns in most states.So the insane people could buy all the guns they wanted.Why were there no mass school shootings back then?It is because the liberal Democrats pushed to let the insane people walk the streets.Remember the Left is trying to destroy our country so they can install their agenda.

Posted by Ron on May 14, 2007 08:07 AM

Ron,

"Truth does not know what he is talking about.Mike Reagan has his own talk radio show.I called his show every week.He told me on the air it was the ACLU that pushed to let the insane people walk the streets."

I guess if a conservative talk-show host told you the ACLU did it, then that's all the proof you need, because nobody on talk-radio is ever wrong about anything...

Ron, are you really that naive?

Posted by Charles B on May 14, 2007 08:55 AM

Perfectly good reasons to dislike the ACLU can be found at their own website.

1) They fight for the rights of illegals

2) They don't believe in a persons right to keep and bear arms

3) The DO believe in a childs right to have access to online porn at the library

The list is pretty long. They're hardly a group looking out for the rights of law abiding citizens.

Posted by KW on May 14, 2007 02:35 PM

You are assuming, of course, that "law abiding" means that the "law", or Statute, is always right, or perfect; and that as "law", it is always to be obeyed, rather than ever challenged. Sometimes known as "tyranny of the majority"; and something dear to the hearts of those "conservatives" for whom the Constitution is "just a piece of paper".

The "law abiding" citizens of the South used to think it perfectly "right" to force people of other skin color to drink from separate fountains, sit in sections away from whites, go to separate schools, and otherwise behave according to "laws", or Statutes, enacted by those for whom "law abiding" was their own proud self-distinction.

We have moved away - at least somewhat - from those days and times. Of course, for those who prefer the clock to run backwards, this is a terrible thing. For the rest of us, however, it is good to have an ACLU, to make sure the nation is not dragged backwards into that 19th Century life where the self-proclaimed "law abiding" rule as they feel themselves chosen.

Posted by Old Grouch on May 14, 2007 03:03 PM