‘Redneck’
I have a genuinely honest and open question for the, what,’ European American’ community. Is it alright to use the word Redneck? My gutbrain as Stephen Colbert would say tells me no, that it is in fact an insult. A serious insult. However after querying exactly ten White males I know I was told absolutely not. ‘I’m proud to be Redneck (sometimes)’ was a common refrain. And yet I still find this difficult to get my head wrapped around. Could this be true though? Maybe I’ve just heard one too many ‘Brothers’ I know use the word vehemently and prefacing it with the vicious mother ‘hubbard’ word to ever be comfortable addressing anyone with it.
Jeff Foxworthy aside I would invite anyone to tell me if the majority of people feel it is appropriate to use this word. Gracias por este.
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Cyrus in Boulder. It depends, what's in it for me? Can I use it to manipulate or censor other people? Can I empower myself by censoring other ethnicities and thus limiting their use of words. Can I use this term to put myself in the victim's class and thus get special treatment? You better be careful Cyrus in Boulder, it all depends.
Posted by Ben the Native American Redneck on June 30, 2007 02:37 PMI don't know Cyrus. Is "stupid liberal moonbat" offensive? Or is "race baiting ass hat" offensive? Who knows? One would have to try out terms like "Pathetic pussyboy" to find out I guess.
Posted by truthy on June 30, 2007 02:45 PMThe PC crowd claims it's offensive, but I disagree. You'd be suprised at how much of Wyoming (and other areas) takes pride in the culture that is associated with the word.
By no means am I a supporter of the Confederate Flag. What it represents is offensive.
However, there does seem to a surprising number of people that like to affix said flag to to their pickup trucks and whatnot. What does this have to do with anything? A lot of people who think the redneck culture is cool affix the confederate flag to their trucks--No this is not a routine--I've see this.
Posted by [Louis] on June 30, 2007 03:09 PMSimple Answer: it depends.
To go around calling people rednecks might be construed as offensive. One the other hand if they're driving a pickup flag sporting the confederate flag it wouldn't be.
Posted by Louis on June 30, 2007 03:14 PMDepends who says it in what tone or spirit it's said. You can jokingly call each other that if you know each other well enough. An outsider couldn't joke.
Depends if a person is saying it in a derogatory spirit or not.
Jeff Foxworthy made a HUGE amount of money out of playing up "redneck" stereotypes
Posted by tj1961 on June 30, 2007 08:34 PMJeff Foxworthy made a HUGE amount of money out of playing up "redneck" stereotypes.
Posted by tj1961 on June 30, 2007 08:35 PMThe term "redneck" is complimentary when used by one of us,and we know who we are....It's very much like the the "N-word".If you think you might not be qualified to use it-you're not.
Posted by Jimminy on June 30, 2007 09:11 PMUnlike your skin color or ethnic background (and the slurs that go along with them), being a redneck is a lifestyle that you choose.
Something that you choose to identify yourself as. Use of the term "redneck" is not even in the same ballpark as use of the "n-word"
Posted by Me on June 30, 2007 09:26 PMYou all are SOS , stuck on stupid for even debating this subject.
Posted by [Can I get an AMEN!] on June 30, 2007 09:49 PM"Redneck"... One whose neck is red from working outdoors. A common, unassuming man. One with more common sense than liberal indoctrinaires.
Hell, Yes, I am, and proud of it!
Posted by clyde on June 30, 2007 11:21 PMAMEN , lighten up, not everyone wants to debate Earth shattering subjects every day.
Pretty soon now, elites will start playing at being "Redneck", the next cultural fad.
I`m out to get some gingham dresses. Yahoo!
Posted by Sharon B. on July 1, 2007 06:13 AMIt depends. Redneck means a confederate flag-flying, PU truck...excuse me...SUV driving, toothless, ignorant, racist. However, as we get closer to the election, Hillary will start courting the NASCAR crowd and claim to be a redneck from Arkansas, southern drawl and all. Then, it will be OK.
Posted by [murdo] "The Honorable Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.V.)" on July 1, 2007 06:43 AMThanks so much for the feedback. It remains a pretty divided response but I appreciate your replies. Incidentally I'm an American African male myself, not
Hispanic, although I speak Spanish. Thought I'd better make that clear-don't want the Hispanics blamed for my 'inquiring mind.' I remain a bit confused though in that some of you say you're proud of the word in a kind of defiant way, while others agree with me that using it is indeed like using the dreaded 'N' word. Think I'll stick to just not using it/discouraging its use around me. Later, now Grant.
Here in Colorado we already have what I call "instant rednecks" they use cash from a lucrative real estate deal, an inheritance or some other windfall to set themselves up on a small acreage near some small town and proceed to play at being cowboys and cowgirls. A pickup truck with a dog and a gun are essential along with an SUV. Speaking with a fake southern accent is a plus.
Posted by [jerry] "csh" on July 1, 2007 01:59 PMYo Amen: You do not get an Amen from me. Grant's letter is one of the most (fill in the blank) letters I've read in this forum. For years I've wondered: What is a Redneck? I teamed up with a toehead from Redneck turf and sired three babies and again teamed up with a Redneck and sired two babies. Love those Rednecks. I'd like to do it again.
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-- Edward Clodd
RG, you must have grandkids wall-to-wall.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 1, 2007 05:17 PMYo my dear Sharon: Ordinarily I make it a practice not to respond except to the letter writer and certainly not to the "fish" people; however, you are of the ilk that makes this forum a pleasure to read. Actually, I have more kids than grandkids: five and three respectively. I love the grandkids coming over as we mount our bikes; my kids have outgrown their bikes.
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Posted by Richard Grimes, a deicide: Risen Ape r22037@yahoo.com (ffrf.org on July 2, 2007 09:25 AMActually redneck orginally meant farmers who worked outside and consequently got sunburned.
The pseudo elites tend to use it derogatorily much as the rich used to call these people "peasants" as if to lift themselves above the riff raff.
Rather than be derogatory of the more common person, I would say it is derogatory to the person who uses it. It says they are elitist without much class.
Posted by jim on July 2, 2007 10:58 AMAccording to historian David Hackett Fischer, the terms Crackers, Rednecks, and Hoosiers "were not coined in the New World. They were carried out of north Britain. For three centuries these terms were variously used as praise words and pejoratives, according to context and occasion. But always they described the same paradox of poverty and pride."
Fischer also writes that the earliest known use of the term "Redneck" in America was "in North Carolina by Anne Royall in 1830, who noted that 'redneck' was 'a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians.' It had long been a slang word for religious dissenters in the North of England."
In other words, the Scots and Scots-Irish in America are called Rednecks because that is what they were called in England. In America, the name now also refers to people of non-Scottish ancestry who have intermarried with the group and/or adopted the same lifestyle. I believe whether or not it is pejorative is in the eye of the beholder.
David Hackett Fischer quotations are from "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways In America," pp757-758, published 1989.
Posted by Karen on July 2, 2007 05:15 PMToo much information on Rednecks; however, thanks to the letter writer. I'm thinking my progenitors were known as shanty Irish and compelled to America where they became a scourge on America and today, I have no objection to being referred to as shanty Irish, It is pejorative one day and compliment the next day. Richard Grimes
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Posted by RG on July 3, 2007 10:04 AM