Another senator caught up in hypocrisy
With Sen. David Vitter we now have another one of the self-righteous, family-first boys caught in his own twisted conservaspeak (“Louisiana senator familiar at brothel, ex-madam says,” July 11).
Vitter, with Bob Livingston and Newt Gingrich, was part of the pack of family-values attack dogs who snarled after Bill Clinton’s extramarital indiscretions. They were so appalled by the president, yet each apparently was having his own affair, or, in Vitter’s case, his own hooker.
It’s funny how all that Republicans need to do to correct their infidelities is to make peace privately with their families and God.
Why wasn’t President Clinton allowed to do the same?
And now their hypocrisy is spreading to their wives. I remember Wendy Vitter chastising Hillary Clinton for not attacking Bill (in public) and stating she would react more like Lorena Bobbitt if her man strayed. Well, Wendy, I cannot wait for you to make good on your promise!
Chick Cavallero, Loveland
I hope she goes Lorena on him too! But hey it's New Orleans. Is he black? How can we blame this on Bush? Help save me, I'm ignorant. Hey let's place the blame on the fact that all men are pigs. That works for me.
Posted by on July 17, 2007 02:11 AMlets see a republican is slime for cheating and a democrate screams its only sex and private. So the republicans have family values and the democrats dont?
why make a big deal out of it, its what they do when they get elected.
Oh for pete's sake, get of the damned right/ left tired old nonsense, All politicians are hypocritical denizens of the self created swamp they live and work in but, they call it something else; the political expediency necessary to attain and keep power in the belief that they and only they have the best inerests of the population in mind. Hypocrasy, arrogance and deception are the only real attributes one needs to be a successful lawmaker.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 17, 2007 05:13 AMImpeach him. He lied (Scooter) on his federal and state election applications, that he hadn't comitted any crimes. Prositution is a crime. OK ! We need to cull the herd of GOP felons ("W" and Alito UCMJ felons illegal separation and discharge and AWOLees and deserters).
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandvetbennies on July 17, 2007 07:00 AMGOP (Rudy, Newt, Vitter, McCain, etc.), the few, the proud, the HORNY!
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandvetbennies on July 17, 2007 07:02 AMThe difference is that Dems don't profess to be the "Family Values" Party, they leave religion, sex, sexual orientation up to the individual. It''s the Republicans who try to twist and manipulate everyone to do things their way, the "right and Christian moral way"..and yet it's these same stupid hypocritical Republicans who get caught with GFs, hookers and gay lovers. It's sad that Republican voters can't see the hypocrisy in these slime wads doing the very same thing (at the same time yet) that they attacked Clinton for? Shapen your knife Wendy, theres a line of GOP slime at Your door waiting for atonement!
Posted by cjc on July 17, 2007 07:14 AMThe difference is that Dems don't profess to be the "Family Values" Party, they leave religion, sex, sexual orientation up to the individual. It''s the Republicans who try to twist and manipulate everyone to do things their way, the "right and Christian moral way"..and yet it's these same stupid hypocritical Republicans who get caught with GFs, hookers and gay lovers. It's sad that Republican voters can't see the hypocrisy in these slime wads doing the very same thing (at the same time yet) that they attacked Clinton for? Shapen your knife Wendy, theres a line of GOP slime at Your door waiting for atonement!
Posted by cjc on July 17, 2007 07:15 AMI think Wendy Vitters would be doing America a great service by castrating as many Republicans as possible, dont stop at just her husband. Clean up America and cut down on lying, cheating and hypocrisy! Imagine the war in Iraq would be over a lot quicker too. You go Wendy!
Posted by Bill on July 17, 2007 07:24 AMGOP Sex-Capades: Nicole Bush trained Rush LimPbaugh to doctor-shop for Rx Viagra. Neil Bush, when informed 12 Beijing hookers were spotted in his hotel room, was confused. Jeb Bush snorkeln' under his desk with a staff member. Mark Foley dormitory manager and boys' "short arm" inspector. Newt divorces one of his wives on her death-bed. Rudy brings his hooker home to his wife and kids. Heard in a NOLA brothel, Dave "The Diaper" Vitter, singing a stanza from "Just-a-Swinging. Laura Bush drove through "STOP" sign, killing boyfriend. Bill "phone-sex offender O'Reilly. Rev. Haggard likes meth and body-builders, Falwell too fat. GOP introduces our unsuspecting kids to Clinton's perverted "cigar" curing process.
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandvetbennies on July 17, 2007 07:38 AMThe difference is that Dems don't profess to be the "Family Values" Party, they leave religion, sex, sexual orientation up to the individual. It''s the Republicans who try to twist and manipulate everyone to do things their way, the "right and Christian moral way"..and yet it's these same stupid hypocritical Republicans who get caught with GFs, hookers and gay lovers. It's sad that Republican voters can't see the hypocrisy in these slime wads doing the very same thing (at the same time yet) that they attacked Clinton for? Shapen your knife Wendy, theres a line of GOP slime at Your door waiting for atonement!
Posted by cjc on July 17, 2007 07:14 AM
What nonsense. Hypocrisy is a charge everyone seems to like to make, but what real hypocrisy is would be doing what CJC says the dems do, "leave religion, sex, sexual orientation up to the individual."
Do the dems profess that going to prostitutes is a good thing? Do they think that Clinton's cheating on his wife was okay? If they don't, if would be hypocritical to "leave it up to the individual" and to remain silent about it.
Vitter would be hypocritical if he really didn't believe in family values and preached them. The fact that he was weak and did frequent a prostitute doesn't say he was hypocritical. It only said he didn't live up to the standards he believes in.
If people could only support values they could live up to all the time, we would live in a pretty ugly world.
Posted by Jim on July 17, 2007 08:07 AMSorry Jim, you are wrong plain and simple. Religion, sex, sexual orientation IS up to the individual. Forcing YOUR ideas, as the Republicans do, is simply wrong, it's what they do in dictatorships. America is about individual rights, so yes it is hypocrisy when you attack gays and then are cught in a gay relationship. It is hypocrisy when you condemn someone having affair..when you are in the middle of your own affair. It is hypocrisy when you speak and preach 'family values;' when you have your own prostitute or lover on the side. I have come to believe the louder a Republican rants against something the better the chances he is commiting that very same offense. If Vitters is your idea of a man with Family Values, then Republicans really have some serious issues.
Maybe thats why they favor the marriage ammendment so much, they need all the help they can get to force themselves to be pure and righteous, lol?
Cheating on one's wife is not 'ok', but it is something between you and your wife to sort out, not something to 'regulate by law' and certainly not something to impeach a President for.
Legislating 'morality or religion' is ridiculous and that's what the self-righteous Republicans try to do. Whose morality or religion is right? Yours Jim? What if the majority vote against your morals or religion. Should you be stoned to death? Conveneient how Republicans read and follow only the parts of the bible they want to.
Funny how the left always mention Clinton when it comes to these sort of issues. It is the only one they remember. This is because the right are held to a higher standard. Through the years we have seen polititians act poorly. The difference is if the person is a conservative it is a lead story, if they are liberal...well page 63. My personal favorite was the inquisition into Newt teaching (gasp) with a conservative view. Moral character and dedication are not important to the American voter. We vote for image and slick ads (don't get me started on those annoying yard signs). What about voting on political platforms? (yes I know they do not exist anymore) Personally the infidelity of Mr. Clinton and Mr. Vitter is a family matter. It effects their families. What is of greater concern is John Salazar's infidelity with foreign nationals. This effects our nation.
Posted by Tom on July 17, 2007 09:06 AMOnce again Libs are always right and never do anything wrong. That's because nothing a person can do is ever wrong with the libs. Unless you are a conservative of course. They are so good at judging people that don't agree with them.
Posted by on July 17, 2007 10:03 AM--------- and the pot called the kettle black. you're all so wrapped up in your vaious opinions of political crap that you can't see the truth. What makes the righties so damned sure the transgressions of their crowd are any less reprepugnant then the lefties indulgence in the same.
I'm so tired of the idiots who can't see that ALL POLITICIANS are cut from the same cloth. All are guilty of the same thing, lying to themselves and to the public. The only time it bothers them is when they're exposed. And when that happens and when that happens to the lefties, they take great pains to point out what the righties did and vice versa. Don't you, all of you, get tired of defending your side by pointing fingers at the other side.
It's all the same thing no matter who does it and it all means the same thing to me; When people ignore what politicians do they open the door to the worst politicians can do.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 17, 2007 10:22 AMTom how ignorant your statement is. The indiscrestions of of Clinton were all over the front page, and the Repugs made sure it was kept there. Were you asleep at that time?
Posted by Ron 2 on July 17, 2007 10:24 AMAw Shuckins!
Shore caint make no sense bout why thar air so much fuss hyar. This air jest a kinda afirmashun thet them thar pundits what war afussin all over on nother postin, bout agettin folks ta agree with em no matter what bout "Christianity", mebbe done got it sorta right atter all.
Down South airyways, thet thar "Christianity" shore nuff teaches "love".
And them thar rightchus Republicans air shore nuff experts at ashowin usns all bout it too; from tha diaper stage right on up,
Bet thet thar Senator fella looked right cute afirmin them thar "lovin family values" o hisn thetaway over ta tha Washington D.C. cathouse. Bet he ud look a smart site cuter tho, war he ta be apreachin em at tha mega-church o a Sunday mornin. Like Ted Haggard, mebbe?
Posted by Old Grouch on July 17, 2007 11:05 AMAllen, I agree Both Parties and in general all politicians are pretty much power-crazed greedy basta*ds. But the Republicans are just so much easier ( and whiniery) targets and they just seem to be screwing up like crazy lately. I love watching them crash & burn, going down in flames.
Posted by Jimsbasta*dson on July 17, 2007 11:06 AMAllen, I agree Both Parties and in general all politicians are pretty much power-crazed greedy basta*ds. But the Republicans are just so much easier ( and whinier) targets and they just seem to be screwing up like crazy lately. I love watching them crash & burn, going down in flames.
Posted by Jimsbasta*dson on July 17, 2007 11:06 AMAllen, I agree Both Parties and in general all politicians are pretty much power-crazed greedy basta*ds. But the Republicans are just so much easier ( and whinier) targets and they just seem to be screwing up like crazy lately. I love watching them crash & burn, going down in flames.
Posted by Jimsbasta*dson on July 17, 2007 11:06 AMWouldn't it be refreshing if:
When confronted with obvious hypocrisy, i.e.:
Marriage is fundamentally important to society.
Hillary was wrong to stick with Bill, I'd go all Lorena Bobitt if my husband cheated.
and the speaker's of these lines (paraphrased) violated the intentions of their word with their deeds, the Rethuglicons would just admit that these people were indeed hypocrites and traitors to the values they espouse.
Posted by James Jones is a glow in the dark bitch on July 17, 2007 11:10 AMMaybe we need to recognize that morality can not, and should not be legislated, but instead is a personal commitment each INDIVIDUAL makes.
My request or rally cry would be no matter the candidate, no matter the party, anyone that PREACHES as a politician, morality or "family values" should be ignored. Let us, as individuals, with individual liberty and rights, make our own conscience choices as it relates to our own 'family values' and morality.
Posted by Dan2 on July 17, 2007 11:15 AMThis is why I call them RePewblicans (rhymes with "pubic"). They are obsessed with things pubic, and other things which should be discussed while in a pew.
Posted by Liam on July 17, 2007 11:38 AMAllen's correct. It's all just politics and we here get sucked into arguing over who is most hypocritical. He's also correct that most all of them lie to maintain their ill-gotten power over us and they only really get mad when their transgressions get exposed.
Give it a rest - most all of them are slimy. Rich and slimy. Rich liars and slimy. You get the idea.....
Posted by RU Serious on July 17, 2007 04:31 PM"Funny how the left always mention Clinton when it comes to these sort of issues."
It's even funnier that this statement can be made after six years of Republican moral shortcomings being excused away with "Yeah, but Clinton..."
Posted by Hans Christian Brando on July 17, 2007 07:18 PMMaybe Mrs Vitter and Mrs. Haggard should start corresponding. Maybe get together for tea and ideas of revenge.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 03:38 AMHi thar Sharon,
Aint it wunnerful! How them thar poor, abused, picked on, Republicans air arallyin ta tha defense!
Seems as ifn a feller name o "Oliver" done sorta put tha ball outen tha park on thisun, back a ways on tother line. But areadin all them thar aweeeeeepin an awaiiiiiiiilin Republican excuses an sech shore air more fun than agoin ta the monkey house at tha Zoo.
Good ol Republican, "WE done fergived; now YOU better FERGIT", all round.
Course, tain't never "hypocricy" fer a Republican ta preach one thang, an live nother. Ther hull Party is built on tha idee of, "Do what we tell YOU ta do; not what we do our own selfs", airyways, ta begin with.
An Haggard gets bout a hunert thousand dollars payoff ta get outen Dodge; while Vitter keeps on abein a Senator. Them wives ain't got nothin ta complain bout whan they gets tagether; thet's fer shore.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 18, 2007 07:46 AMIntegrity doesn't seem to count much any more in politics. That must be why so many politicians are just corporate whores, and the mainstream media are the politicians whores.
Posted by Jay on July 18, 2007 01:01 PMOld Grouch,
I see you finally fixed your "spell check". Looks good!
I also see you have not changed you practice of "selective outrage". If my guys do it, then it is okay, however if the other guys do it, we should string them up.
When you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem!
OG, hi there, just in case Mrs. V. forgot her threat we could all mail her kitchen knives. Wonder what she will do now"
Stay, ala Hillary, or show us some of that Conservative backbone and kick his expensive butt out the door.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 04:57 PMjdg777,
Waaaal, I rekon you can call it "selective outrage", ifn thet makes ya happy. Shore air a way ta dodge tha real issue, tho; but thet thar kind o thinkin is allus expected whan tha sanctiphonys done gets caught out..
Shore nuff, them what air called "my guys" done gets caught adoin thangs they oughtnt, too. Real difference thar air, simply, "my guys" aint agoin round atellin everone else how ta live, an how much better thar ways o thinkin air than airyone elses, so airyone else better live tha way theyre told.
Tha word fer thet is h-y-p-o-c-r-i-c-y, sonny.
An jest by tha way, what part o thet thar "solution" air you sposed ta be offerin? Defendin sanctiphonyness dont peer ta be airythang more than atryin ta sweep tha problem under a rug, an hope folks aint agonna recamember it fer much longer.
Thet thar good ol "WE done fergived, so YOU folks better ferget", kind o stuff an nonsense air typical o "conservatives" taday. Mebbe they oughtn think about how thet thar way o thinkn air a hull lot o the problem in tha fust place.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 18, 2007 06:59 PMOld Grouch,
There is a good reason that I can't understands how you feel or what you think about any issue Your seemingly humorous word usage, just reinforces my opinion you don't have a stance on anything. You choose to just ramble on about meaningless topics. You would fit right in with the rest of the politicians.
"Selective outrage" is exactly that, selective. I will respect anyone"s position that if any one lies to a grand jury they should be punished, or you can choose to believe that it is okay for everyone to lie and recieve no punishment.. However if you choose to be outraged when one person does it, but sweeps another persons lies under the rug, you are a hypocite, plain and simple.
If you are outraged at the illegal Hispanics in the country, but choose to ignore the Illegals of different nationalities, you are a bigot and suffer from selective outrage.
Old Grouch,
"Shore nuff, them what air called "my guys" done gets caught adoin thangs they oughtnt, too. Real difference thar air, simply, "my guys" aint agoin round atellin everone else how ta live, an how much better thar ways o thinkin air than airyone elses, so airyone else better live tha way theyre told."
Obviously you are not talking about Al Gore and his "global warming" or Hilary's Universal health care plan. I could go on but my "spell check" crashed, trying to correct your last statement.
Posted by jgd777 on July 19, 2007 02:50 PMjgd777
There's nothing to "correct" in my last statement. Gore, Hilary, etc., etc., are proposing general social and political programs and actions, NOT matters of PERSONAL "morality" concerning such ideas as "family values", sexual orientation, the "definition" of marriage, and adherance to the superstitious codes of kosher and tref from the Hebrew mythology book..
Try learning the difference between matters such as these, before you try to "correct" others. You won't find that knowledge in your spell check. You will actually have to consult texts and sources of information other than your own anecdotal fantasies and imaginations about how things ought to be in Ameica because you happened to have some experience living elsewhere before you became an immigrant.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 19, 2007 08:12 PMOld Grouch,
Regarding your statement about my experiences living elsewhere before I became a immigrant. You just did what you are constantly accusing me of doing. Putting words in my mouth. For your information I am a natural born citizen and choose to do my research on the benefits and drawbacks of living in a socialist society by actually moving to one of those countries. Silly me, for thinking that actually living in and talking with the people that live in a socialist environment would give me a better insight, when all I really had to do was read a couple of books..
During my years I have read many text and came to the conclusion that most the content was biased based on the authors political positions. So I actually put down my books and decided to find out for myself. I could suggest you do the same, but it is much easier for you to sit back in your comfortable chair and do your "research"
I was raised in what would be called a lower class family, and now live a comfortable life, not rich but comfortable. Furthermore all of the members of my family are living this way and we have never asked for any government assistance in achieving that. We were taught to be honest and work hard. I have worn the uniform of the US military and served with pride. My children went to the University on my dime, not the governments and we paid for all of our own doctors bills.
The socialist ideas being pushed on us by the "nanny state" liberals makes me sick. In this country you do have to right to pursue happiness, but it is not something that is just handed to you. You actually have to work at it.
As far as the "morality" goes, You can "sleep" with who ever you want, hell, you can "sleep" with your dog if you want to. There are no "family values" left in this country, they are just doing what ever they want to do, because it is their "right". Your liberal friends just fought for an organization's right to post on the internet the information on how to rape children. Now that is the type of people I want to be in control of our government. NOT!
jgd777,
Thank you for clarifying your source of knowledge concerning what's wrong with America, as contrasted with a '"socialist" country. Perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to just which "socialist country" you lived in, and are making your comparrisons from.
And perhaps, also, you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to what restrictions, or conditions, you lived under, while learning all about how this "socialist country" functioned. Did you work there? Did you participate in the political arena there? In what ways did your living in a "socialist country" demonstrate to you that texts here were "based on the authors' political positions"?
After all, Marx, Engels, Mao, and others WERE writing to establish political positions in the first place. And the libraries full of informational writings - often those from "socialist countries" themselves - are quite adequately representative of what was going on - and what goes on today - in other parts of the world. Or are you insisting that only your decision to go off on a venture of your own is actually "valid research"?
As to the last paragraph of your answer: Is this then supposed to be a defense of the h-y-p-o-c-r-i-c-y of attempting to legislate - or preach, teach, and demand enforcement of - a particular set of "family values", or other particular set of "morals", while at one and the same time flouting the very set of "moral values" you are trying to force down other's throats?
My "liberal friends" may indeed succeed in achieving further guarantee of a form of free speech that you don't like. But, are you suggesting that only YOUR form of expression is to be allowed? Certainly reads that way.
So, I guess we can then come to the conclusion that YOUR "Americanism" is, somehow, superior to anyone else's who might happen to "make you sick" by advocating programs, or continuing adherance to Constitutional guarantees, that you find - from your vastly superior experience - to be "socialist", or "nanny".
Joe Mc Carthy would have been mighty proud of you..
Posted by Old Grouch on July 20, 2007 08:47 AMOld Grouch,
And Chairman Mao would have been proud of you.
Old Grouch,
I will have to concede the point that I feel posting information on how to rape children is totally inappropriate and should not be allowed. But Hey! who cares what happens to the children anyway? Obviously not your liberal friends. To them it is more important to protect the sick people posting and reading those post, than it is to protect the children of this country. And you want to educate me on "Moral Values"?
I would attempt to enlighten you but I feel your thinking bulb has burnt out.
Posted by jgd777 on July 20, 2007 09:18 AMjgd777,
Thank you for conceding that I at least had a "thinking bulb" to begin with.
Of course, I will be happy to be "enlightened"; just as soon as you establish your credentials as an "enlightener" by way of answering my questions concerning what you claim to be the experiential sources of, and specific reasons for, your own "superior wisdom".
Until then, I shall continue to regard your postings as I do any others; i.e. yours by absolute right of freedom of speech and expression, in this forum and anywhere else; but, in and of, themselves NOT AT ALL either particularly enlightened or enlightening.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 20, 2007 10:00 AMOld Grouch,
Enjoy that freedom of speech, at least until Hilary, Pelosi, and Boxer get the "Fairness Doctrine" back. Then who knows what will happen. We may have to start counting the number of words you use, so everyone else can have an equal amount.
Posted by jgd777 on July 20, 2007 11:16 AMOld Grouch,
"Until then, I shall continue to regard your postings as I do any others; i.e. yours by absolute right of freedom of speech and expression, in this forum and anywhere else; but, in and of, themselves NOT AT ALL either particularly enlightened or enlightening".
Even if it is a lie?
Posted by jgd777 on July 20, 2007 12:26 PMjgd777,
The "Fairness Doctrine" has nothing to do with either the RMN as a newspaper, or with this forum, or with the matter of the Senator caught with his pants down; as I am certain you very well know already.
Whatever else you might have acquired by "living in a 'socialist country'" - as you claim, and cite the experience as evidence of your superior knowledge of how things ought to be in the United States - you certainly demonstrate excellent knowledge of the pure textbook "Socialist" tactics of setting up straw men to knock down as if they were actually germaine to a topic; along with ducking out of ever giving any real answers to legitimate questions. But, you're not alone there.
And having had a great deal of previous experience with those tactics, as often used by a couple of others on this blog, I see no particular sense in continuing that kind of waste of time.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 20, 2007 12:29 PMOld Grouch,
Isn't this forum about hypocrisy?
Or is it just a forum on the hypocritical conservatives?