Anti-right agenda
So, Sen. David Vitter is tied to a second high-priced brothel (“Louisiana senator familiar at brothel, ex-madam says,” July 11). This is either another nonstory or a one-sided, liberal Democrat story, take your pick.
Let’s talk about just a couple of Democratic mayors who seem to have forgotten about any wedding vows they might have taken (“Few bad vibes in L.A. love affair,” July 6).
Nope, of course we won’t. Let’s just continue to bash the Republicans. This is the natural course of events within the socialist Democratic agenda, abetted by the Democrats’ media allies.
Remember, the gate swings in both directions and you simply cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Nice try, however.
D.B. Coffman, Arvada
Hey what the heck it's New Orleans, they don't need no stinking responsibilty! It's all because Bush hates black people.
Posted by kg on July 17, 2007 02:00 AMWell, `ol D.B,
For great comic relief you can`t beat a "family values" guy getting outed by a madam.
When someone on the right goes wrong they do it with such abandon.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 17, 2007 03:45 AMole sharon says 'When someone on the right goes wrong they do it with such abandon.'
how do the ones on the left do it?
4:38
Problem with the righties is that they preach "family values" and claim a moral high road which is exactly what Vitter did.
Posted by conservative media on July 17, 2007 05:27 AMTell you what, D.B.,
When the democrats spend $50 million to prove that a republican had a little extramarital sex, then you can have something to whine about.
Until then, you ain't got nothing to stand on.
Posted by Thomas on July 17, 2007 07:02 AMAlong the same line: why are we being so hard on Hitler? Stalin killed a lot more people than he did. Doesn't that make Hitler a nice guy?
Posted by Truth on July 17, 2007 07:07 AMJust because one did it does not make it right for the other guy to do it.
Posted by on July 17, 2007 07:16 AMThat Vitter was on record as speaking out against Pres. Clinton and his relationship outside of marriage by definition made him fair game should he do the same. He did. He is reaping what he sowed during the Clinton debacle. No one has mentioned the timing of said visit to the escort. Was it during the Clinton time? As with the Clintons, this is really between Vitter and his wife, and as with Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Vitter has chosen to forgive and move on. Why was Hillary so villified for that yet Mrs. Vitter was made to sound like a saint yesterday? I actually think the Vitters are not taking as much of a hit as they could so everyone should just leave it be.
Posted by Kelsey on July 17, 2007 08:22 AMThat Vitter was on record as speaking out against Pres. Clinton and his relationship outside of marriage by definition made him fair game should he do the same. He did. He is reaping what he sowed during the Clinton debacle. No one has mentioned the timing of said visit to the escort. Was it during the Clinton time? As with the Clintons, this is really between Vitter and his wife, and as with Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Vitter has chosen to forgive and move on. Why was Hillary so villified for that yet Mrs. Vitter was made to sound like a saint yesterday? I actually think the Vitters are not taking as much of a hit as they could so everyone should just leave it be.
Posted by on July 17, 2007 08:22 AMIt should be noted that prostituton isa crime in both D.C. and Louisiana.
Vitter is a United States Senator and has a responsibility to obey the laws as well as make them.
Vitter is essentially pulling a "Ted Haggard" in claiming that he was only calling up the brothel but he didn't purchase sex from them.
Yeah, right. Then why does he need forgiveness from his wife and God?
Vitter didn't just cheat on his wife. He broke a law! It doesn't matter whether you agree with the law or not. The fact is it existed and he broke it. Why aren't all the law-and-order GOP'ers demanding his resignation?
Poor D.B. Coffman - the nasty liberal media is after the GOP. I'm pretty willing to bet Coffman had a field day with the media coverage of the Clinton/Lewinsky fling (until Larry Flynt offered a bounty on GOP members guilty of the same behavior & got several reports that ended Congressional careers). I don't recall that fling having anything to do with White Water (remember - that was what Kenneth Starr was hired to investigate - but he just HAD to nail Clinton on something) or the media not covering it as either a lead story on TV/radio or wothy of being on the front page of the papers. The GOP lowered the bar (Clinton wasn't the first President of either party involved in extramarital affairs - just the first one outed by the opposition) - then whines when they are held to the same standard. The fact that David Vitter ran on a "we're more family oriented, holier & more righteous than the Democrats" - and his wife stated duning the Clinton impeachment that she'd have gone Lorena Bobbitt if her husband cheated & that Hillary shouldn't have let Bill off the hook just makes catching a hypocrite more of a story.
By the way - is Giuliani one of the mayor's referred to?
Posted by Mary on July 17, 2007 08:54 AMApparently D.B. means deaf and blind. When it comes to the Right...hear no evil, see no evil, eh?
The Right puts itself on a moral pedestal, so it's a target for getting knocked off.
Hey Mary, hands off of Giuliani...any guy that marries his first cousin then divorces her because he thought she was only his second cousin is the kind of moral compass this country needs.
Posted by hypo-hypocrisy on July 17, 2007 10:18 AMKeep whining, Coffman, impotent Republiscum bitching is music to my ears.
Posted by UYRMN on July 17, 2007 10:26 AMDon't worry alot of Democrats are sweating because of the list of clients. They just haven't been outed yet.
Posted by on July 17, 2007 10:40 AMAw Shuckins!
Taint no anti-right agenda hyar. This air jest a kinda afirmashun thet them thar pundits what war afussin all over bout agettin folks ta agree with em no matter what bout "Christianity" mebbe done got it sorta right atter all.
Down South airways, thet thar "Christianity" shore nuff teaches "love".
And them thar rightchus Republicans air shore nuff experts at ashowin usns all bout it too; from tha diaper stage right on up,
Bet thet thar Senator fella looked right cute afirmin them thar "lovin family values" o hisn thetaway over ta tha Washington D.C. cathouse.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 17, 2007 10:53 AMDems arent as concerned about being on the Madam's list, after all, we never claimed to be as self-righteous as the Family values gang. So a Dem on the list is 'eh, so what... big deal', the Dems focus more on issues than dictating how 'thall shall live their life' (which I thought was the pint of religion not politics and govt. Well, Wendy Vitters should be happy her man was at least caught with another woman..this time, instead of cheating on the Haggard/Foley ticket.
Posted by Bill on July 17, 2007 10:58 AMDems arent as concerned about being on the Madam's list, after all, we never claimed to be as self-righteous as the Family values gang. So a Dem on the list is 'eh, so what... big deal', the Dems focus more on issues than dictating how 'thall shall live their life' (which I thought was the pint of religion not politics and govt. Well, Wendy Vitters should be happy her man was at least caught with another woman..this time, instead of cheating on the Haggard/Foley ticket.
Posted by Bill on July 17, 2007 10:59 AMAccording to Thomas and others posting here, as long as a politician refrains from claiming the "moral high ground" (honesty, integrity, etc...) you give them a pass on cheating, breaking the law, lying etc... because people don't expect very much from them in the first place.
My question is why the heck do you elect people with no moral compass into office in the first place.
Is this the creed of liberal politics?
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 11:29 AM
"My question is why the heck do you elect people with no moral compass into office in the first place."
Ask any Republican that.
Posted by conservative media on July 17, 2007 11:45 AMThis letter is a textbook example of the conservative response to a Republican scandal, which is "but a Democrat, or Democrats did (insert scandal verb here) during (insert date here).
I personally do not care if a man, and it is always men, has sex with an adult and willing prostitute. What prostitution laws end up doing is outlawing consensual sex between adults because money is exchanged. Kids and sex-slaves are not consenting to sex.
But when a member of the "holier than thou" party engages in the type of behavior that the party is so against, charges of hypocrisy abound. Remember, the Senator belongs to the same party that witholds anti-AIDS funds to poor countries because those countries have legal prostitution.
KW , no pass on breaking the law. Cheating is for their spouses to deal with.
We elect them to do a job, and their personal life is not part of the work they do.
Kind of like I don`t care is the people I pay (doctors, hair dressers, etc) have a sex life in or out of marriage.
My hair and health are not effected.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 17, 2007 11:53 AMExactly, we should be electing good leaders, intelligent representatives that will carry out the will of the people and make solid intelligent decisions based on solid reasons. Leaders who will follow and uphold the Constitution and its laws, not twist and break them.
Case in point: Bush 'may' be a moral christian, at least he claims to be. BUT, the man makes one bad decision after another, refusing to listen to the 70%of America who oppose him, basing these decisions not on fact or logical thinking, only on that "I beleive" and stubborningly refusing top admit his mistakes. His dictatorship is making is proving him a horrible leader who is insulting the Constitution and running such a corrupt administration that it would make Nixon blush.
But hey, he 'may' be a good moral man.
Sean:
"This letter is a textbook example of the conservative response to a Republican scandal, which is "but a Democrat, or Democrats did (insert scandal verb here) during (insert date here)."
You have it all wrong Sean. You like to pretend I'm justifying the actions by saying certain dems have done the same.
The reality is I am pointing out the double standards held by most when they ignore previous like behavior from dems while attacking reps.
You all seem so enraged when a rep stumbles. Where's you outrage when dems do it?
Here's a partial list of other indiscretions we never hear such outrage over:
The Honorable Mel Reynolds (Democrat-Illinois) (1995) -- Obstruction of justice; convicted in state court of criminal sexual assault, aggravated sexual abuse, solicitation of child pornography.
The Honorable Barney Frank (Democrat-Massachusetts) (1990) -- Allegations: (1) use of personal residence for prostitution by third parties; (2) improper dismissal of assistant's parking tickets; and (3) sexual activity in the House gymnasium.
The Honorable Dan Rostenkowski (Democrat-Illinois) (1994) -- Indicted for mail fraud, wire fraud, witness tampering, concealing a material fact, false statements, embezzlement, and conspiracy. Defeated for re-election.
House Banking Scandal. General Accounting Office report concluded that numerous Members routinely overdrew bank accounts. The Honorable Albert Bustamante (Democrat-Texas), Carl Christopher Perkins (Democrat-Kentucky), Delegate Walter Fauntroy (Democrat-District of Columbia), Mary Rose Oakar (Democrat-Ohio) (1997) -- each were convicted after leaving the House on charges related to the House bank.
The Honorable James A. Traficant, Jr. (Democrat-Ohio) (2002) -- Convicted of conspiracy to violate federal bribery and gratuity statutes, receipt of illegal gratuity, obstruction of justice, defrauding of the government, racketeering, and tax evasion. Committee report. Expelled.
Since Jefferson hasn't been convicted yet I'll hold off on adding his name to the list. But I'd still like to know... WHERE'S YOUR OUTRAGE???
• Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.
• Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
• Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
• Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
• Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
• Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
• Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
• Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
• Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
• Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
• Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
• Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
• Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
• Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
• Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.
• Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
• Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
• Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
• Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
• Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
• Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
• Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
• Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
• Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
• Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
• Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
• Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
• Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
• Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
• Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
• Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
• Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
• Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
• Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
• Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
• Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
• Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
• Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
• Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
• Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
• Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
• Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.
A small sampling...where is YOUR outrage!!!!!
You guys crack me up. This whole "Where's your outrage" is so predictable. Ever notice they are never outraged at their own guy?
Well, there's an explanation as to why that is and whats going on, as this sci-am column by Skeptic publisher Michael Shermer explains:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=13&articleID=000CE155-1061-1493-906183414B7F0162
"During the run-up to the 2004 presidential election, while undergoing an fMRI bran scan, 30 men--half self-described as "strong" Republicans and half as "strong" Democrats--were tasked with assessing statements by both George W. Bush and John Kerry in which the candidates clearly contradicted themselves. Not surprisingly, in their assessments Republican subjects were as critical of Kerry as Democratic subjects were of Bush, yet both let their own candidate off the hook. "
Well, that shouldn't come as much of a surprise, we see this sort of thing all the time (like in this thread), but what is really interesting is:
"The neuroimaging results, however, revealed that the part of the brain most associated with reasoning--the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--was quiescent. Most active were the orbital frontal cortex, which is involved in the processing of emotions; the anterior cingulate, which is associated with conflict resolution; the posterior cingulate, which is concerned with making judgments about moral accountability; and--once subjects had arrived at a conclusion that made them emotionally comfortable--the ventral striatum, which is related to reward and pleasure."We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning," Westen is quoted as saying in an Emory University press release. "What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts." Interestingly, neural circuits engaged in rewarding selective behaviors were activated. "Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones," Westen said."
(empahsis mine)
Well how about that! These folks you read here are making moral judgements in response to emotional reactions and not reason. And it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside to boot!
Posted by CL on July 17, 2007 02:28 PMNice Kyle but I thought we were talking about Congress, not every little flunky politician from podunk.
From the Congressional standpoint the numbers deeply slanted and the dems lead the reps 68-34 in scandals and crimes while in office.
CL - Nice attempt at reverting the blame back to conservatives by asking where our outrage is. A real simple answer. It's gonna hurt, are you ready for it?
I didn't bitch, whine and moan about Clinton getting a BJ. Although I do feel a person in his high position needs to stay as far away from the possibility of blackmail. His judgement sucked, fortunately without putting the highest office in jeopardy.
I thought Mel Reynolds-D was prettty sick and he was found guilty of 12 counts of sex with a minor but I didn't climb a soap box and wail to the world as if he had eff'd my own daughter.
You see, I don't feel the need to scream at the top of my lungs everytime someone has a transgression in life.
But as soon as Foley sends a mere text msg to a 17 yr old, you guys want him strung up like you caught him with your own 4 yr old son.
You can't deny the double standards because your actions display the truth plain for all to see.
You're just so filled with hatred for Bush and all things Republican you can't help yourselves.
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 02:49 PMKW
Good job on turning this into a Democratic scandal complaint session.
The aforementioned Democrats did commit crimes and other hings that are pretty repugnant. However, like I said, conservatives will turn a Republican scandal into "but the Democrats did this" debate. Just like you are doing.
KW:
CL - Nice attempt at reverting the blame back to conservatives by asking where our outrage is.
And just where did I do that?? Both you and kyle asked where is your outrage. If you paid attention you would have noticed that I never did.
But then you do have demonstrated a tendency to make things up before.
It's gonna hurt, are you ready for it?
Moi? I doubt it.
Since I was the last one you mentioned, I assume this was for me:
You can't deny the double standards because your actions display the truth plain for all to see.You're just so filled with hatred for Bush and all things Republican you can't help yourselves.
Oh really? If you read my post it is actually about double standards. Please point out where I singled out Conservatives, Republicans or even mentioned Bush or anyone on this thread (so much for my reverting blame back to conservatives).
The irony of your response KW is it fits right into what Shermer was writing about.
Predictable, emotional and lacking reason.
Sean - Are you maladroit? Only someone completely deficiant in comprehension could make such a statement after reading my posts.
Your denial of your irrational hatred is amusing.
Thanks for the laughs.
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 03:39 PMCL wrote: "You guys crack me up. This whole "Where's your outrage" is so predictable. Ever notice they are never outraged at their own guy?"
That pretty much covers the reason I included you in my post. And why I explained it to you.
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 03:44 PMWoo, maladroit, was that your word of the day from dictionary.com.
You are the one who is being very gauche in your retorts and rebuttals.
I wrote "This letter is a textbook example of the conservative response to a Republican scandal, which is "but a Democrat, or Democrats did (insert scandal verb here) during (insert date here).
And then what to you do, you give us a list of disgraced Democrats along with their misdeeds and the year that they were committed. Thus proving exactly my point.
Are you sure you are not some closet liberal who is posing like a screeching, red in the face conservative in order to make conservatives look bad. Because if you are, you need to work with better arguments to at least make it seem that you are credible.
Not going to join the name calling fest. What gets forgotten is that not all GOP members are social conservatives, yet all get tarred with the same broad brush and held up to ridicule for their moral failings.
One point that KW made seems to be missed in all the gnashing of teeth. That is, a politician that can be compromised due to his moral failings is easy prey for corruption, blackmail, exploitation for espionage, etc.
Those that say we elect them to do the political work and that their personal life doesn't matter ignore this fact.
I expect all our government officials to behave in their personal lives in a moral and ethical fashion because we can't afford to have somebody in a sensitive position to be compromised. When I say moral I mean in a way that hurts nobody else or breaks any laws. That's all.
Posted by RU Serious on July 17, 2007 04:17 PMSean - Here's what I posted since you obviously didn't read it:"The reality is I am pointing out the double standards held by most when they ignore previous like behavior from dems while attacking reps. You all seem so enraged when a rep stumbles. Where's you outrage when dems do it?"
Hence the term maladroit. You really ought to read a post before responding to it.
Try it sometime.
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 04:20 PMKW,
Is that the drivel you want me to respond to? So is one supposed to voice their outrage at Democrats whenever a Republican has a "moral failure". Am I first to express my outrage at past Democrats before I express my current rage at a Republican or is vice-versa in the etiquette that exists only in your warped world?
Ok, here you go.
I am outraged by the behavior of the aforementioned Democrats as well as disappointed.
As for the Senator from Louisiana, I am neither outraged nor disappointed for I expect just this sort of behavior from the party of marriage and family values . But look at the bright side, at least this Republican sex scandal involves heterosexual sex and no children are involved.
Too late Sean, you can't now be suddenly outraged. But we'll see how well you do with this current bunch in congress. Their sure to screw up big time.
Trust me.
Posted by KW on July 17, 2007 05:36 PMI`m not biased. I once thought Bush made a very intelligent, thoughtful statement, off the cuff with no speech writer, and I was proud of him and pleased.
Then I found out he was quoting someone else.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 17, 2007 05:42 PMHere is an idea KW, write a letter to the editor expressing your outrage at the latest Democratic scandal. Wait there is none. Well, how about a letter concerning Bill Clinton and how his sexual escapade pales in comparison to Senator Vittor's sexual escapade. Then you and all your wing-nut companions can express their outrage until they turn red in the face. I might be tempted to point out that Clinton is old news and this scandal is just getting started. Then you can ask me if I am maladroit for pointing this out and being unable to follow your convoluted logic that only makes sense to you.
Posted by Sean on July 17, 2007 05:45 PM"This is either another nonstory or a one-sided, liberal Democrat (sic) story, take your pick."
So, to the wrong-winger's out there, breaking the law (along with your marriage vows) is either a non-story or the fault of the liberals. Wow. Very telling--apparently, it is just peachy to break the law these days. If you are a Rethuglican, that is.
"Let’s talk about just a couple of Democratic (sic)mayors who seem to have forgotten about any wedding vows they might have taken."
Why, did these mayors run on a "family values" platform? Are they the holier-than-thou kind who preach what others should do in their private affairs? The diaper wearing, prostitute hiring Vitter certainly was.
"Let’s just continue to bash the Republicans (sick)."
Well, you guys sure do make it easy, don't you?
And while we're at it, let's not forget our very own "family-values" ex-governor, Billie Bob Owens. Not only did he violate his marriage vows, but sired an out-of-wedlock child. Nice values there!
I suppose it the that "anti-right agenda" that kept that little affair out of the headlines...
Posted by Whatever on July 17, 2007 05:57 PMKW:
"CL wrote: "You guys crack me up. This whole "Where's your outrage" is so predictable. Ever notice they are never outraged at their own guy?"That pretty much covers the reason I included you in my post. And why I explained it to you."
But your "explanation" was (with a list of Democratic transgressions):
"You see, I don't feel the need to scream at the top of my lungs everytime someone has a transgression in life."
(empahsis mine)
I didn't say everytime, I said "Ever notice they are never outraged at their own guy?"
Your "explanation" dodged the point.
You responded to Sean with a list of sins by Democrats and asked "where's your outrage?"
My post specifically addressed that question.
kyle responded to you with a list of sins by Republicans and asked "where's your outrage?"
My post specifically addressed that question.
You, kyle as well as others here have followed my oberservation - lack of outrage for "your guy".
Get it?
Posted by on July 17, 2007 06:01 PMThis whole thread is an outrage!
With the exception of the post by CL describing the study results.
Posted by Charles B on July 17, 2007 07:26 PMGood old Cal Thomas has an article in Tuesdays RMN where he says our first emotion, upon hearing something like Vitter, should be sadness.
Oh yea, we should allow ourselves to feel a negative emotion, sadness, over someone we don`t even know. All negative emotions hurt our health.
Laughter, however, is good medicine. So if Cal dosen`t mind I will continue to self-medicate with guffaws over this stuff.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 03:37 AMSo, Sen. Vitter likes to preach Family Values, condemns others in a very public manner for the very sins he is guilty of, and likes to soil his own diapers. Sounds like a 'normal' Republican to me.
Posted by Oliver on July 18, 2007 06:51 AMOliver,
I think you done hit a home run thar!
Trouble is, them thar pure, riiiichus, "family values" Republicans mostly don't ever want ta have ta wash thar own diapers whan they done soils em. Ifn its thar mess, its thet thar "no dirty linnen in public" shtick what air sposed ta apply. An real hevy on thet thar "fergive an ferget" business, too; heavier on tha fergettin, o course.
Yep! You done got it right. A normal Republican, fer shore.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 18, 2007 07:25 AMLet me aid those possessing flawed reasoning. Vitter speaks of the importance of “family values”; the nuclear family and worships the living God. Each of the aforementioned has merit, is proven to be beneficial, each has been an intrinsic component of the development and success of our great republic. Vitter bemoans the fall of social culture in this great land of ours. Sounds reasonable, look around, somehow I can’t see Andrew Jackson approving of a gay pride parade (I suppose he lacked the sophistication). Vitter has committed a crime, he is selectively “outed” by the D.C. madam. Vitter doesn’t claim innocence, he doesn’t hide behind semantic mumbo jumbo, he professes his guilt before God and his constituency. Vitter had already worked through this with his wife (that doesn’t sound too easy). Vitter only knows too well the importance of “family values”. While I am saddened and disappointed a man who has promoted the validity of “family values” has engaged in this behavior, it doesn’t change the validity of his statements.
Posted by kobetabber on July 18, 2007 07:44 AMkobetabber claimed:
"Vitter speaks of the importance of “family values”; the nuclear family and worships the living God. Each of the aforementioned has merit, is proven to be beneficial, each has been an intrinsic component of the development and success of our great republic."
Care to support your claims with evidence?
(grass grows)
(church bell rings in distance)
(universe expands)
(natural selection occurs) etc.
Posted by Charles B on July 18, 2007 08:30 AMkobetabber,
Right nice sermon you done preached thar. Tho I aint so shore jest who you are athinkin has tha "flawed reasoning".
On tother hand, thets sorta typical o tha Je$u$ Bu$ine$$ taday. Tha good ol, "We done got all tha ways fer YOU folks ta behave an live. An, like em er not, were agonna make shore YOU live em. But whan we get caught out NOT alivin em our own selfs, than YOU folks better not criticize; cause we're tha ones atellin YOU how."
Thets jest bout what air expected ta be right fine reasonin from tha pulpit. But this hyar conuntry ain't sposed ta be run from tha pulpit. An tha United States Senate aint a pulpit fer tha Je$u$ Bu$ine$$ in tha fust place.
An jest aparrotin them thar Je$u$ Bu$ine$$ pulpit idees shore don't make em all thet "valid" neither. Peers as ifn thet thar "flawed reasoning" is a lot more tha idee thet the pulpit belongs in government than airythang else.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 18, 2007 08:42 AMNoce post kobetabber.
I tried getting that very point across on another thread but many here are unable to grasp the true meaning.
Professing a certain faith, or in this case family values in no way implies one is perfect, or saintly and above transgressions.
Yet, those who choose alternate beliefs decide they need to bash anyone who fails at trying to better themselves.
No one is perfect. And those who bash others for their shortcomings are usually more deficient than those they bash.
Posted by KW on July 18, 2007 08:54 AMAnd those who support and defend perverts and sexual deviants are usually perverts and sexual deviants themselves...
Posted by Whatever on July 18, 2007 09:43 AMKW,
Nope! Yer wrong! Usns done got yer pint O.K. Caint miss it. Yer pint air vury simple: Whan them as sits in tha legislative seats, amakin laws fer everbody else don't live up ta the laws they air amakin, thet's jest fine, dandy, and shore nuff all right. Cause they air them what air the LAW GIVERS; an all tha rest o usns air them what air sposed ta be tha law abidin receivers an OBEDIENT followers.
An even when them thar law givers keep on asayin jest how saintly, perfect, and all above usns they air, we aint sposed ta do nothin but bow our heads an thank their gods they air, since we air "deficient" ifn we dont take em at there word, an accept jest how much better they air than usns ever could be.
Ya never really do get tired o makin yer pint, KW. Its jest thet usns what you say air "deficient" what gets mighty tired o ahearin on it. Special whan its nothin more than a pint o allus astickin up fer self-riiiiichusness in them as call theyselves conservatives, an nothin more.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 18, 2007 10:17 AMWhatever - You could have a valid point. Is that why you're a defender of Mel Reynolds?
Posted by on July 18, 2007 10:40 AM"Is that why you're a defender of Mel Reynolds?"
Not sure were you pulled that one out of, but I can certainly guess.
Have you stopped wearing soiled diapers 10:40?
Whatever - 10:40 was me.
And I'm pretty sure I pulled that out of a similar place that you pulled your comment from.
I'm just responding with one assinine comment back at another.
Posted by KW on July 18, 2007 11:49 AMDuh... Your unique brand of stupidity is always easy to recognize.
I have no doubt that you have lots and lots of things up your arse....
Posted by Whatever on July 18, 2007 12:27 PMWow! Dr Ron Paul has been married only once, and is still married to his wife of 50 years.
Posted by Jay on July 18, 2007 12:54 PMSome one referred to "perverse Pelosi," because she is from San Francisco. Ah yes married and probably not a customer of brothels, for how many years.
We need more women in government.
The nuclear family only came into existence after WWII. The nation did real well without it for centuries.
Did everyone see the cartoon in RMN where it says V. is into family values? He was asking a working gal the price for her and her sister. Priceless.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 02:01 PM