Democrats should focus on what matters
Oh, yes! The Democrats who now have the majority in both houses of Congress are doing just fine.
They tried to ram an immigration bill down our throats that consumes over 200 pages (as it showed on my version of Microsoft Word) and that is almost impossible to read, let alone implement.
They are wasting everybody’s time with investigations of the president’s firing of a few prosecutors.
Of course, these Democrats never mention that Bill Clinton fired them all when he was president.
They are consuming resources investigating why the president had the NSA spy on our enemies’ phone calls.
And to top it off, one of their leading candidates for president, John Edwards, runs around claiming that the war on terror is just a bumper sticker.
How misguided these democrats are.
They should stop wasting all of our political talent on such trivial matters and instead focus on how to win the war with the radical Islamists. This is an enemy that has repeatedly stated in writing what it wants to accomplish — our demise, our destruction, our submission or death.
Apparently, the Democrats are more interested in grabbing power than in protecting this great country.
Colin C. Case, Highlands Ranch
You Repub's better get offthe immigration band wagon when your idiot president starts to bring his Iraq buddies home. Estimates are as much as 50,000+. Democrts are much more interested in bringing democracy back to the US after the imperial president is booted out in Nov of 2008. You Repub's had the power and look what you did to this country. Shame on you, your party and president. "The worst President in the history of this nation," what a legacy to be proud of.
Posted by BG on July 31, 2007 12:52 AMyep if ole W would have just been happy to sit at his desk and get a bj from an intern close to his daughters age, everything would be fine. I dont understand how he couldnt follow in the foot steps of the person he replaced.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 03:57 AMYou seem to forget that it was Bush...a Republican who was trying to ram that immigration bill down our throats. The rest of Colin's letter is nothing but the same old nonsense repeated over and over....thump thump thump.
Posted by conservative media on July 31, 2007 05:31 AMDemocrats record to date ...... over 300 plus investigations on alledged allagations. All going nowhere. Yet no apology for the corruptness on thier side of the aisle. Bribery, fraud, and treason by thier leaders. Wow what a record of accomplishment.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 05:43 AMLet's put Sen Ted Stevens (R) in charge of the ethics committee to show those Democrats how it's done!
God - with the Democrats in power, we could see us mired overseas due to foreign policy incompetence and running up a huge debt. That would not even be thinkable under GOP leadership...
Posted by Liam on July 31, 2007 06:03 AMColin C. Case said:
"They tried to ram an immigration bill down our throats that consumes over 200 pages (as it showed on my version of Microsoft Word) and that is almost impossible to read, let alone implement."
I suppose it would be pretty hard to implement if one doesn't have the ability to read it...
Colin, you could've made your case more succinctly by simply saying:
Suspend your oversight functions Congress! You'll have no liberties when you're dead!
And then you can resume the fetal position.
"Yet no apology for the corruptness on thier side of the aisle. Bribery, fraud, and treason by thier leaders."
Where's the apology from the Republican epidemic of scandal, bribery and corruption.
Posted by conservative media on July 31, 2007 06:31 AMUnited we stand.... Devided we fall.
Posted by A on July 31, 2007 06:55 AMCharles B.
What ?????? Are you agreeing or disagreeing here? Do you expect Mr Case to implement the bill?
I wish you would have "made your case more succinctly ".
And what does this "Suspend your oversight functions Congress! You'll have no liberties when you're dead!" have to do with the issue?
And you want Congress to "resume the fetal position." ?????
You keep making less and less sense with your ramblings.
AF
Case,
The lunatic left's success in driving Joe Liebreman out of the Democrat Party tells us a lot about their current mind-set.
This degradation of a once-viable political party into a seedy pack of interest groups fighting for the all groping for a bigger slice of the pie has damaged the political fabric of the country.
I hope the next generation on Democrats can get them back on track.
Posted by James Jones on July 31, 2007 07:25 AM"This degradation of a once-viable political party into a seedy pack of interest groups fighting for the all groping for a bigger slice of the pie has damaged the political fabric of the country."
I couldn't have said it better about the Republican Party myself.
Posted by conservative media on July 31, 2007 07:36 AMOk...let's see what important things Republicans focused on when they gained control of both houses back in the 90's so that Colin Case of Crowded Ranch can have a true gauge of what dems should do...
1. Make sure gays don't have the right to marry or serve their country.
2. Find out how much the president or the first lady spend on their hair cuts.
3. Appoint a special counsel and spend as much taxpayer money as it takes to throw mud at the president until something sticks.
4. Throw fits if the first lady steps out of the traditional subserviant 'little woman' role first ladies are apparently supposed to assume.
5. Bog down the congress with petty, self-serving partisan politics.
Would that be a good enough start for you, Colin?
Posted by Thomas on July 31, 2007 07:48 AMLook at where the Dem presidential nominees are, at a convention for a far-left hate filled website. This speaks volumes. They have done absolutley nothing since gaining power aside from trying to turn the USA into a third world Latin American country via ill -advised, ill equipped amnesty legislation,against the will of 8 out of 10 Americans. The dems are just plain scary and who they keep company with is of deep concern. They are just not in touch with reality. They won't even debate on Fox News. How in the world would we expect them to protect this country if they can't face a huge segment of the American people? BTW-neo cons are not much better.
Posted by Ben on July 31, 2007 07:49 AMSo..Youtube is now a "far-left hate filled website"?
Really, Ben?
The same website that millions of people logged on to so they could see a bull dog riding the skateboard....
Where ANYONE in the world can post a video...
There's a reason they won't debate on Fox News. Because it's not a true news network. It's filtered entertainment for neo-cons.
And this line really cracked me up?
"How in the world would we expect them to protect this country if they can't face a huge segment of the American people?"
How can we expect Bush to protect this country when he can't face three people from Littleton with a "No guns for Oil" bumper sticker on their car?
thomas the dems wont go on Fox because they can not see the question first and apporve them and they are scared there would be real questions on issues, unlike CNN or utube questions.
did you hear that udall had the war protestor sent to jail for being in his office? good work as to the 3 morons who were asked to leave
"Look at where the Dem presidential nominees are, at a convention for a far-left hate filled website."
Ben you must be referring to Bill O'Lielly's rant about DailyKos.com website and their convention. Funny since O'lielly's site is now being investigated by the FBI for hate and death threats posted against Hillary Clinton.
Posted by conservative media on July 31, 2007 08:25 AMConservative Media
You can;' say anything better yourself which is why you have nothing better than mimicry to offer.
Posted by James Jones on July 31, 2007 08:27 AMThis is the worst congress I've seen in my life time.They are doing everything they can to undermind the President and the country,a honest President unlike clinton.They are doing everything in there power to lose this justified war,using our troops as pawns not caring how many die.They lie about how strong the economy is,they just want to over tax us again for there personal interests.They know that if they can mis-lead the American public they can get back into the White House.Unfortunitly there are people dumb enough to believe them.Just read above.
Posted by bart on July 31, 2007 08:39 AMThis is the worst congress I've seen in my life time.They are doing everything they can to undermind the President and the country,a honest President unlike clinton.They are doing everything in there power to lose this justified war,using our troops as pawns not caring how many die.They lie about how strong the economy is,they just want to over tax us again for there personal interests.They know that if they can mis-lead the American public they can get back into the White House.Unfortunitly there are people dumb enough to believe them.Just read above.
Posted by bart on July 31, 2007 08:39 AM"thomas the dems wont go on Fox because they can not see the question first and apporve them and they are scared there would be real questions on issues, unlike CNN or utube questions."
And what do you have to say about Bush?
This man, for eight long years, has refused to appear before any group that doesn't already support him.
Bush is the definition of gutless when it comes to confronting people who are opposed to him.
You are griping about something that dems won't appear on a very partisan network while completely ignoring the fact that that Bush won't so much as take a question from someone who doesn't already agree with him.
Or maybe you forgot about Jeff Gannon, the "reporter" planted in the White House media corps even though he had no journalistic credentials so he could lob softball questions to Bush?
Posted by Thomas on July 31, 2007 08:43 AMThe Republican candidates refuse to participate in the You Tube debate,
Ron Paul, the 'dogcatcher' and John McCain, the 'Manchurian candidate' are the only two brave enough to face unknown questions.
Posted by Holy Reality on July 31, 2007 08:54 AMAlthough I'll admit that I did vote for Bush, reluctantly, I have learn to regret that vote. However, I do agree with the letter writer in one sense; the over emphasis on all of the "investigations" are pretty much just posturing for the next election.
In reality, by the time anything could be substantiated against Bush which MIGHT lead to impeachment, his second term will be, gratefully, over. (unless, of course, there's a reason for him to declare Marshall Law and suspend elections -- but he could do that before impeachment hearings anyway with a couple of "suspected terrorists attacks").
The Democrats could do better for themselves and the country by pushing hard for meaningful legislation. Even if stymied by the Republican congressional members or vetoed by the President, they would establish a track record of honest attempts that they could point to. Such a record is weak thus far.
By pursuing this investigative mode they are locked into they are only going to increase the animosity toward government and the big game of "gotcha" all politicians seem to love.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 09:06 AMconservative m:
"Ben you must be referring to Bill O'Lielly's rant about DailyKos.com website and their convention. Funny since O'lielly's site is now being investigated by the FBI for hate and death threats posted against Hillary Clinton."
What Ben was refering to is the company these pres candidates are keeping. Recognizing this can give you insight about anyone, not just a politician.
Regardless, any candidate who espouses such a hate filled website should never be considered for office.
BTW - Hadn't heard about OReilly being investigated. Do you have a link?
Posted by KW on July 31, 2007 09:10 AMALL of you are prime examples of why the american people are some of the dumbest and biggest sheep in the history of our country
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 10:03 AMYes, C. Media where is the link to O'Reilly being investigated?? I am very curious and wish to read about it!
Posted by A on July 31, 2007 10:08 AM(_) Democratic
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Until the electorate wakes up to the fact that neither party has the country's best interest as their primary goal and purpose for existence, we'll only perpetuate the government power elite structure we now have. Vote for individual philosophy and record -- not party affiliation.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 10:12 AMTrinity - I think if enough people are fed up we could see a late entering Independant making a strong run for white house next year.
The current crop of announced runners just isn't going to cut it.
Posted by KW on July 31, 2007 10:24 AMKW -
Remember when Perot ran as an independent? He was rapidly gaining support until the "two power parties" were successful in labeling him a kook. One of the biggest things they nailed him with was his opposition to NAFTA: to paraphrase, "hear that big sucking sound -- that's jobs leaving America." Turns out he was a prophet before his time.
I never caught the full Perot bug so I can't comment on a lot of his positions. But the point is that any independent is going to be attacked in a bipartisan manner to preserve the current power structure.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 10:37 AM. . . the over emphasis on all of the "investigations" are pretty much just posturing for the next election.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 09:06 AM
So the truth is no longer important and merely an exercise in posturing. And Watergate was just a bungled break in.
Not withstanding the filibusters by Republicans it is obvious that this White House doesn't want anyone to know the full extent that they tried to politicize and corrupt the Department of Justice and other federal agencies. It is a blatant attempt to sweep everything under the rug and pretend that they weren't trying to rig elections in favor of Republican candidates. In the Tour de France they are called cheaters and aren't welcome or tolerated. Only the adolescent Bush Zombies believe that this stonewalling is over innocent college pranks and doesn't deserve to be investigated. Democracy means fair elections and the election dishonesty and sleaze that the Bush Zombies tolerate says a lot about their moral character and desire for a real functioning Democracy.
As far as DailyKos is concerned it is the kind of new wave communication that scares the hell out of Republicans because it can dissect the lies from the Republican propaganda network and mobilize Kossacks to find the truth. dailykos.com is one of the scariest websites in all the Internet to Republicans because it is an unapologetic liberal website that works to support progressive candidates.
Posted by Wes on July 31, 2007 10:47 AMAs a footnote to the possibility of an independent, there are not many out there that can appeal to a broad spectrum of voters.
Perhaps the strongest will be Ron Paul, one of the Republican candidates. He's Republican in name only (due to a technicality in Texas Election laws - backed by Bush when governor). He's a very constitutionally oriented Libertarian who will not get the Repub's nomination. He'll probably then be drafted by the Constitution Party to be their candidate. He sort of fits the Perot mold.
I don't know if he's totally right; but, he's better than anything declared thus far. And he is definitely anti partisan politics.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 10:53 AMHere's just one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lane-hudson/billoreillycom-being-inv_b_57777.html
As far as Daily Kos being a hate site. What O'Reilly is referring to are postings to the site which hardly makes the site itself a hate site. There are plenty of conservative sites out there that have people that post hate including BillO'Reilly.com.
Posted by conservative media on July 31, 2007 11:03 AMWes --
My point is that everyone already knows the corruption and abuse of power existing in the administration. To waste time and resources continually posturing, instead of working for the benefit of the country, the Democrats are perpetuating the view of a do nothing, power hungry political party.
The American people already know how bad things are. Those who still defend to the dying breath the overall performance of the administration are not going to change their mind regardless. Those who realize how things are now are getting POed at the Democrats for doing nothing for the country while beating a dead horse amplifying what is already known.
The more they launch investigations, the lower their ratings fall. It may make the die hard Democrats feel justified, but nothing will be gained from them. By the time anything can be pulled together Bush will be leaving office. Work to amplify the positives that can be accomplished -- the negatives are not going away.
The Republic will be stronger by the Democrats taking positive strides ensuring that further corruption will not be tolerated. What's done is done (albeit wrong), and the time remaining in office for this administration is going to limit any substantive action being taken.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 11:10 AMThe investigations are being viewed as just political witch hunts. Whoever heads such investigations is going to win - eventually. But, to what gain?
Posted by on July 31, 2007 11:23 AMWes -
Your "justification" of getting to the truth which is already obvious to any clear thinking individual , regardless of party affiliation, borders on the same fanaticism as those "justifying" the righteousness of the Bush administrations actions to date.
Both positions are based solely on partisan grounds and both are a waste of time and resources which could be used much more effectively for ensuring to the well being of the country.
The two party system sucks. It provides artificial camps keeping the electorate divided while allowing the monolithic power elite (comprised of both parties -- in reality one "party") to continue unabated.
Posted by darfor on July 31, 2007 11:35 AMSo wanting to know the truth about how corrupted our justice department has become is now considered fanaticism. And positions are based solely on partisan grounds. No explanation or proof which would require research or perhaps an investigation. Just these broad pronouncements that these investigations are purely partisan.
What reasonable boss when confronted with the possibility of serious malfeasance by an employee would shrug it off as not important and entrust the suspected employee with future critical tasks without attempting to determine if the charges of malfeasance were true?
If we are to believe the propaganda from the White House our men and women are dying in Iraq to give the people of the Middle East a chance to benefit from living in a real Democracy. It is spitting on their graves to tell their families that they died for a noble cause when Republicans are working in secret to create a permanent majority by rigging elections. If you believe in Democracy and the Rule of Law then why not support a full investigation into the working of our government. Bush is going to be gone in 539 days but his tawdry practices could haunt our country for a long period of time unless we make it clear that elections will be won fairly by the candidate with the best ideas. To accept the use of the Justice Department to open or avoid prosecution of public officials based on party affiliation is a traitorous act to our Republic and an insult to every soldier who was blown to bits by an IED. Regardless of what the Bush Zombies write, we the people want clean elections and we want to clean out the cheaters before they can cheat again. The Tour de France kicked out their cheaters and the sport will survive because they acted when they did. Republicans didn't have any problem financing Kenneth Starr to the tune of 30 million and years of investigation but six months by Congress to determine if elections were being influenced or politicians from the opposing party had their phones unlawfully tapped is too much. What blatant hypocrites the Zombies are.
Posted by Wes on July 31, 2007 12:09 PMDemocrats ARE focused on what matters.
In the meantime, Republicans can keep on worrying about all those things that don't while they filibuster and veto every piece of substantial legislation under consideration.
Then, the Republicans can point fingers and tell everyone how the Democratic majority is a failure.
After all, that's the plan, isn't it?
Posted by Tree Hugger on July 31, 2007 12:18 PMIt's really only a matter of time before the dems completely self destruct. They're already drowning in the swamp Nancy claimed she was going to drain.
I say let them have these witchhunts. The voters are watching, and they're taking notes.
Posted by KW on July 31, 2007 12:22 PMNobody is accepting any corruption, Wes. We know it happened. Quit beating it to death and work for something constructive. Your dignity won't suffer -- take you knowledge of the corruption and shout it to everyone at the next election. Vote based your knowledge. But, quit trying to prove the world is round -- we know it is.
Posted by carl on July 31, 2007 12:23 PMMr Case is great at citing investigations being conducted by the Congress now controlled by the Democrats. However he is lacking in any understanding as to why these investigations are important. He also obviously fails to recognize the fact that when the Republicans took control of Congress of 1993, they immediately commenced more investigations into the Clinton Administration about trivial matters than the current Congress will ever do. And as an expample of just how much of a witch hunt these were to destroy a President, the investigation that former Senator Fred Thompson was charged with doing into alleged campaign finance law irregularities of Clinton and other Democrats, he wanted to go further and also include such alleged irrgeularities by Republicans and the Republican Congressional leadership denied this request. Was this denial for the purpose of protecting their own? You figure it out.
When those like MR. Case have something intelligent to state, then and only then should we consider giving their BS and Spin consideration.
I wonder if MR. Case is aware of the reasons why those Federal Prosecuters were fired? For instance, Bud Cummings who was the U.S. Attorney of record In Arkansas was fired to be replaced by a protege of Rove. He had absolutely nor prior experience as a prosecutor. However he has since resigned and has been linked to voter fraud in five states as a member of the RNC and Roves's hired guns or political hacks. Interesting isn't it MR. Case.
Posted by A True American on July 31, 2007 12:24 PM"A True American": The investigation by the Republicans were just as bad a load of **** as the current one's by the Democrats -- nothing will come out of it except people on the opposing side can smugly say "I told you so!" Meanwhile, valuable time and resources of congress that should be working toward solving real problems are being expended by political posturing.
Oh, and regarding the firing of the attorneys, Clinton fired 93 of them when he took office. He filled the positions with people loyal to him. It was his right to do so just as it is the right of Bush to make a partisan fool of himself. In both cases the best interests of the people was secondary to partisanship politics.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 12:32 PMDo not forget that Pelosi and Reed promised to stop all of those earmarks that came out of the last congress and so far in the first 6 months of this congress only 32,000 earmarks have been given out.
Posted by legal on July 31, 2007 01:21 PMDemocrats should focus on what matters, I believe that was the topic you are discussing.
They are focusing on what matters and what matters to them is having a Democratic in the White House.
OH! You were trying to say what mattes to the country.
NEWS FLASH!!!
Neither party cares about what matters to the country. Both parties put their political agendas before the citizens. And like a couple of stupid fighters you come after each other while they sit back and let you beat each other's brain out.
Anyone who is stupid enough to support either party deserves everything you are getting now. For the next 4 to 8 years our Congress will do nothing of any importance and later on another group of lying, crooked, politicians will take control and they in turn will do nothing. History has shown that to be true.
If you wish to stop the madness, then stop fighting amongst ourselves and start fighting the real enemy OUR CONGRESS!
Posted by on July 31, 2007 01:25 PMThe Republicans had their chance and they blew it time and time again. They cannot even organize a trip to the grocery store let alone run the world's most powerful country. Karl Rove wanted 100 years of Republican domination. He was 94 years off the mark. Rest assured that the fall of the Republican Party is entirely their own fault and it could not have happened to worse group of people.
Republicans are a self-fulfilling prophecy, they say, constantly, that government can't do anything and once in power they prove just that.
You Republicans should stick to what you are good at mainly making sure that I do not see female breasts on TV or hear profane language on the radio.
Anyone who DOESN'T support a political party is a fool.
How can you expect to ever get anyone elected unless they are a member of a major party?
Do you know how many independents are in Congress right now? (Two in the House and one in the Senate.)
So you can think as independently as you like -- but unless you pick a party, you'll just be a frustrated and impotent loser.
Source: http://www.house.gov/fattah/features/faq.htm
Posted by Partisan on July 31, 2007 01:45 PMThose arguing vehemently for the continuing investigations of what is already obvious to the world; i.e., the corrupt use of power by the Republicans the last few years (like Wes, Tree hugger and A True American) epitomize the weakness in our 2 party system. They are so wrapped up in establishing the justification of their self righteousness that they are unwilling to let go of the obvious and turn that concentrated energy toward solving problems facing this country.
Everything going on in Washington is now under a microscope -- whether or not there's an investigation due to past activity. Any further corruption is going to be exposed on an ongoing basis, not by an investigation into the past.
Quit sacrificing the present and future so that you can loudly proclaim "I told you so" when the corruption is already acknowledged. The only people denying it are the administration and a dwindling amount of zealots defending them. On the other hand, the only people who are interested in the investigations are the Democrats who are seeking to solidify their power, and a few outside zealots of self righteousness like those mentioned above.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 01:52 PMPartisan:
Pick a party and you'll still be frustrated and impotent. The parties don't give a hoot about the electorate, they only care about their power. The only solace you're going to get is sucking up to their coattails.
Until people do break away from the party, or herd mentality, the number of independents is not going change. And neither will the party elite and our country. They'll still take care of themselves and maybe, just maybe, throw a few crumbs to the mind numbed robots who elected them as "party faithful".
Wake up and smell the coffee. You're voting yourself into the position of frustrated and impotent.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 01:59 PM"This degradation of a once-viable political party into a seedy pack of interest groups fighting for the all groping for a bigger slice of the pie has damaged the political fabric of the country.
Posted by James Jones on July 31, 2007 07:25 AM "
It has previously been pointed out that this applies equally to the Rs as well.
This result is inevitable in a two party system. Parliamentary Democracies can have ideologically pure parties that then contribute their 10% of the vote to the ruling coalition.
How else to explain the poor rural bible thumper whose biggest concern is boys kissing being in the same party as a rich corporate libertarian who wants lower taxes on capital gains and dividends, or the leading position of Rudy Giuliani in the Republican field when he supports socially liberal positions abhorred by the party's base?
Posted by James Jones is a glow in the dark bitch on July 31, 2007 02:24 PMReal mature name there, 2:24 PM. It was an intellectual masterpiece in clearly articulating your wisdom and position.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 02:55 PMPoster at 12:32PM, you really don't get it do you? Clinton and every other President precceeding him fired all the the U.S. Attorneys at the begining of their terms. No one has fired any of them in the middle of the term except for cause. These were fired strictly for political purposes and the the Administration lied and smeared them by stating they were fired for cause (mis-conduct which later was refuted.
I will admit the last sentenced of your post was absolutely correct. But, when I read posts like yours and the letters lilke the one by Mr. Case, I read BLA, BLA, BLA.
If you Bush apologists can't come up with something new, please refrain from regurgitating the same old BS and spin of the Grand Old Pedophile party, it as gotten worn out.
Posted by A True American on July 31, 2007 03:16 PM"A True American":
Hey, I agree Bush should be removed post haste from office; but it's not going to happen. The fired attorneys still served at the pleasure of the president. You're expressing shock that Bush lied about the reason/s behind the firings? Are you that naive? Simple answer: politicians lie to advance their political posture.
It's all about partisan politics on BOTH sides of the aisle. Because you happen to be sitting on the correct side of the aisle for this farce, you think that everybody who doesn't jump up and down in glee like you is a Bush apologist? Most people are just accepting the fact that another politician got caught lying. There are no consequences because it was legal albeit not politically smart nor expedient.
So now you're going to have a in-depth, no stone left overturned investigation to prove the already established facts (as you laid out and have also been in most of the major papers, etc.). Boy, are we ever going to benefit from getting a better death grip on the obvious. And that's all we're going to get out it besides zealots having the opportunity to express their self righteous indignation over it happening. The country gains nothing.
I'm no Bush apologist as you like to believe. I'm just a realist who can recognize a gigantic waste of time and resources. We're going to accomplish even less than that witch hunt over Clinton receiving fellatio in the oval office. We wasted what, $40 million, tied up congress for 6 -8 months over that BJ? And NOTHING was gained outside of the Republicans being able to proclaim "gotcha". Now you want to repeat the same type of folly just because it's "gotcha" time for the Democrats?
I submit that this is a prime example (examples when you bring Clinton's experience into it) of why nothing of substance ever comes out of Washington.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 03:42 PM
They are so wrapped up in establishing the justification of their self righteousness that they are unwilling to let go of the obvious and turn that concentrated energy toward solving problems facing this country.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 01:52 PM
I would think insuring that our country holds clean elections would be a priority. It is obvious that the Zombies are desperate not to have these sleazy "facts" get out in the open. They even want to cite "executive privilege" to prevent an investigation into the death and possible murder of Pat Tilman. The fact that so many of the Zombies are repeating the same tired talking points that it is all "known" and nothing left to do but move on is a pretty clear indication that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. The party that was going to restore dignity and honor to Washington is swimming in a cesspool of corruption and want everyone to ignore their crimes. From Libby to Gonzales we have serial liars who somehow are suppose to be above accountability. This is like saying that Qwest lost a lot of money but there is no reason to pursue poor Joe Nachio. "Just move on. We know Joe was kind of a shady guy but hey rich people do those kind of things right?" Wrong. Make sure the slimy CEO who ruined pensions and lives gets the full force of the law applied. If Martha Stewart and Joe Nachio can called to account for their inside trading schemes then this administration needs to be called to account for trying to ruin our form of Democracy. The Tour de France kicked out the leader of the race because he lied about his whereabouts. Investigations into the corruption of our public institutions should be aimed at those who would dirty our elections for profit and power.
We know that the Iraq war is a VERY BIG priority but the obstructionist Republicans have filibustered every attempt to have an up or down vote on whether our troops should be provided with adequate rest and training before they are sent back. Every attempt to have a debate over the direction of our occupation is roadblocked by the obstructionist Republicans but somehow we're just supposed to move on to "more important" matters.
Tree Hugger has this meme pegged. Throw up every obstructionist tactic available and then blame the Democrats for not getting anything done.
Posted by Wes on July 31, 2007 03:48 PMPS "A True American": I didn't mean to post anonymously. I didn't notice my name block was blank. I only glanced at my email address block.
Sorry about that!
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 03:48 PMNo, Wes. Just get on with business for the country; not business as usual. The elections will be honest and free because every eye is going to be on every move of both parties from here through the elections. Thanks to the administrations lies that they've been caught in, and the political posturing by the Democrats, there's not much trust left. Everything is going to be under intense scrutiny.
The Democrats are yelling at the Republicans as being obstructionists. The Republicans are yelling at the Democrats as being majority bullies.
There's no "tip of the ice berg" to worry about. Both parties have slammed into the body of the ice berg harder than the second coming of the Titanic. Let's quit rearranging the deck chairs and start worrying about the water flooding the nation.
Posted by carl on July 31, 2007 03:57 PMTrinity, if you were the poster at 12:32PM and you are truly not a Bush aplogist, I apologize for referring to you as one. However, when someone makes commets such as you did abut Clinton did so and sok, theygereraly do so to make excuses for what Bush has done. Again my apologys.
Posted by A True American on July 31, 2007 04:18 PMWes: You keep talking about "these sleazy facts" and the "Zombies" not wanting them to get out.
They are out, that's why you know about them. Who else are you trying to get the word to? Half the people in this country who swear allegiance to one or the other party can't even tell you who the vice president or the speaker of the house are. You're going to enlighten these people to the "revelations" that you are already privy to?
You may look forward in anticipation to watching the "necessary hearings" to substantiate what you already know, but the majority of the people in this country are going to be watching some sitcom instead.
The "sleaze" is out and it's only going to increase. Every wannabe investigative reporter is scouring the political scene in search of that coveted Pulitzer material. Nothing that was swept under the rug is going to remain there. Nothing new is going to be put under the rug. Private reporters are going to be able to dig deeper through anonymous, but verified "sources" than any politician is going get attempting to hold hearings and call witnesses (look how well that's worked already). By the time the courts finish determining who can call who and what information has to be released, anything that could have been discovered will have already been on the six o'clock news.
You used Pat Tillman as an example. It was only after the "secrets and sleaze" regarding his death started to seep out that the politicians started yammering about holding hearings over the circumstances of his death. Now the hearings, if held, will confirm what's already out and published in the media. More grasp of the obvious.
You don't need hearings to get the sleaze out -- it's free flowing on it's own thanks to reporters and insiders who are afraid to get caught in the goo.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 04:31 PMPoster at 03:42PM,(Trinity ?) I do not believe it is a waste to investigate what this Administration has done. If such investigations prevent a future Administration from doing the same criminal activies, then these investigatons will have been well worth it.
I am in agreement for the most part about your statement that nothing of substance ever comes out of Washington.
Posted by A True American on July 31, 2007 04:32 PM"A True American"; Apology accepted - it did hurt to be called a Bush apologist! Personally, I can't defend either party.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 04:34 PMYes - my bad again re no name 4:32PM!
These investigations won't stop future administrations from either side of the aisle from committing criminal acts. Politicians are always going to think themselves above the law -- privileged, until the electorate stripes that from them. They will just find other, more sophisticated ways and means to accomplish the same type of political goals. This administration is being publicly humiliated already. We can't add to it. We can only detract from figuring out answers to some of the many problems we face in common -- Iraq, immigration, corporate welfare, ad infinitum.
Let's use some energy and initiative in a constructive manner where recognizable and enduring gains can be made.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 04:43 PMIt is not a waste of time to Impeach. It is IMPERATIVE that we Impeach.
The Bush Regime has built a fortress of Executive privledge around it's activities. The Unitary Executive, backed by the war on terror is above the law.
Congress can either, Impeach the would be King. Or pass a vetoproof bill declaring that the US is not fighting a war on terror.
By not pursuing either course, America will no longer be the republic we grew up believing in, we will no doubt remain comfortable, and "safe" from terror. But Americans will not be free, a long chain is still a chain. Freedom of speech will apply, as long as you don't say too much.
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Big Brother is watching you
If there was a shred of evidence for impeachment the dems would be all over it.
The bottom line is just because the left keeps screaming "criminal activities" doesn't mean it's true. You have to have evidence to show high crimes or misdemeanors were committed.
Rather than wasting time with witchhunts the bullying majority dems and filibustering minority reps should try and get some actual work done.
But don't hold your breath.
Posted by KW on August 1, 2007 10:04 AMYou mean politicians should actually get to work?
Maybe in your dreams they will. Until then Lobbyists will be telling them how to write and vote on bills.
Posted by Holy Reality on August 1, 2007 10:47 AMHey idiots,clinton fired attorneys investigating him on laws he broke.We as a nation could of put him away for life.Just think,no 9/11,corparate scandals,destroying our military and itelligence,etc.etc.etc.etc.etc..
Posted by bart on August 2, 2007 06:59 PM