Denver need to spruce up its golf courses
Why can’t Denver take care of its beautiful golf courses in the same manner that the suburbs do?
The greens are overwatered and mushy at City Park and the fairways are underwatered and brown at Wellshire.
Any Denver golfer will tell you that the greens at City Park, Wellshire and Willis Case golf courses do not even compare to those of Aurora Hills or Fitzsimons in Aurora.
It would be a pretty straightforward process for Denver to take a look at how its neighbor to the east is managing its golf courses and find a way to duplicate it.
All of the Denver courses are wonderful facilities, some with nearly 100 years of tradition. Denver should be setting the standard in golf course care instead of being shown the way by its younger, suburban neighbors.
Jason L. Arnold, Denver
Golf, what a waste of good land. The parks that could replace these wasted greens. Places for children to play and families to picnic. No we have to have a place where people sneek out of work to go and drink. The schools that could be built on the fairways. The displaced wildlife.
Golf what a poor excuse for a recreation
Posted by on July 24, 2007 04:35 AMhow could all of the courses be so over watered when everyone is on watering restrictions? maybe denver could let some of the farmers have a bit of the extra water to raise crops
Posted by on July 24, 2007 05:32 AMThis is nothing more than an example of how some people ignore truth in favor their own selfcentered personal preferences. I won't go any futher with that but, the people who know me understand what is meant.
Suffice to say that this type of thinking is and has always been the bane of reason, logic and common sense and, if taken to the extreme, as some do, results in the tyranny of the few over the many and an anathema of all constitutional guaranties.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 24, 2007 06:20 AMThe mentioned courses don't need additional resources or water, they simply need competent groundskeepers.
Golf is a great sport that I probably wouldn't play if it weren't for the municipal courses such as those mentioned that offer reasonable rates. I'm willing to live with some crappy greens if it means I'm able to afford to play at all...
Allen Campbell:
Could you get more specific with your criticism? Specifically who/what are you talking about?
Posted by Charles B on July 24, 2007 07:02 AMThere are plenty of parks for people to play in and picnic. More people use the golf course. It is not a game for everyone as it takes a strong mental capacity.
Posted by It's True on July 24, 2007 07:22 AMA strong mental capacity? To what, take a stick and hit a little ball. That is iterally a nobrainer. It takes a lttle skill, but no mental capability.
Truth speaks like a true nonathletic person. He more then likely can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Another skill not involveing liberal thinking.
"Another skill not involveing liberal thinking."
From the sounds of this moron his life isn't "involveing" any thinking. He knows all about being a "nobrainer."
Posted by drew on July 24, 2007 09:25 AMCharles B
Ok, you asked for it. People who ignore the truth in favor of thier selfcentered personal preferences are the bane of reason, logic and common sense and when that thinking is taken to extremes, that is one of the first indicators that tyranny may be waiting in the wings.
This is, in my mind, exactly what the zealous tobacco control advocates do. They not only ignore the truth that is easily available but, they don't even want to consider it because it does not agree with their agenda and, this aversion to the truth is an idicator of a closed mind and a closed mind is one aspect of tyranny.
The tobacco control popaganda that smoking bans are good for business and that nonsmokers would flock to bars and taverns after the ban went into effect have been exposed as a purposely told lie by the statistical reports we have secured from the Colorado Department of Revenue on the statewide negative financial effect on bars and taverns. That loss was $16.8 million dollars as of April this year not counting the bars and taverns which closed due to the ban.
It is a purposely told lie because tobacco control is perfectly aware that the opposite is true from the effects experienced in other states not to mention what happened in Pueblo Colorado during that city's ban a year before the state ban went into effect. The question then becomes, if they lied about those things what else have they lied about? I know the answer to that question but there is not room enough in these comments for it.
I hope this explains what I alluded to. You know Charles B, if people have no care for what the truth is, that opens the door to all kinds of corruption and the worst kind of corruption is that of the people we elect to represent our best interests.
All it really takes is for a few
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 24, 2007 09:40 AMAnd "zealous tobacco control advocates" would pertain to Denver golf courses because.......?
Posted by drew on July 24, 2007 09:45 AMThey using nicotine as an additive for the greens...?
Posted by drew on July 24, 2007 09:48 AMDrew. The comparison is in the thinking not the location.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 24, 2007 10:30 AM8:54 I was an All-State Basketball player in high school. (Colorado 1980) and I am now a 2 handicapper in golf. Guarantee you that I am far more athletic than you. Golf requires power and a deft touch like no other game. You could not hang.
Posted by It's True on July 24, 2007 11:07 AM@It's True
Being a good basketball player doesn't always translate to being a good golfer--just look at Charles Barkley. Being a good golfer doesn't always require power either. Good technique can over-come a lack of power.
That being said, golf does require the ability to think on your feet, the ability to accept your mistakes and move on quickly, the ability to visualize a shot and carry it out, and the ability to calculate distance, slope, wind and angles.
It is a game that requires patience, perseverance, honesty, intelligence and yes, a deft touch. It is truly a game that requires the blending of one's mental and physical abilities.
The game provides an opportunity to get out in the fresh air and beauty that is Colorado and enjoy the company of friends on a regular basis--even in today's hectic world.
Those who have never played the game will not know or even come close to understanding this.
As to the point of the letter, being a Denver resident and frequent visitor to the city's courses, I really don't have a problem with the shape of the links, or the facilities given the budgeting issues facing Denver. Things are continuing to be improved--like the relatively new City Park clubhouse or the planned improvements to the one at Willis Case.
Posted by Not a two handicap (but that's not the point) on July 24, 2007 12:34 PMAllen Campbell,
You still haven't related how your ideas relate to the letter or the comments pertaining to the letter.
Posted by Charles B on July 24, 2007 03:55 PM"Things are continuing to be improved--like the relatively new City Park clubhouse or the planned improvements to the one at Willis Case."
I also take my son to the little four-hole par 3 course they built recently at Willis Case. Someone supposedly donated a million bucks or so to have 2 of these mini-courses built. Very cool.
Like I said, the slightly less manicured nature of the muni-courses is a fair trade-off for the reasonable cost of playing.
Posted by Charles B on July 24, 2007 03:59 PMI love golf but hesitate in trying to convince anyone else to play. Too many hacks already and too many people who do not belong on the course. ( I played last year with 2 guys who had a bong in their cart??) Left them after a few holes and they didn't even notice
Posted by just sayin' on July 24, 2007 04:50 PM@Charles B.
"Like I said, the slightly less manicured nature of the muni-courses is a fair trade-off for the reasonable cost of playing."
A good point--Denver's green fees are reasonable compared to the suburbs, even for non-residents.
When you consider the age of the Denver courses (most at least 50+ years old) versus the relatively new courses in the suburbs, I think the shape of the courses and facilities hold-up well in comparison.
"I also take my son to the little four-hole par 3 course they built recently at Willis Case."
The Harvard Gulch 9 hole par 3 course is very nice place for younger players to learn the game too.
Posted by Not a two handicap on July 24, 2007 06:52 PMCharles B. See my 10:34 Comments on the 24th. The relationship is not in the location , it in the type of thinking that ignores the priority of the truth.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 25, 2007 09:44 AMjust sayin'--
" ( I played last year with 2 guys who had a bong in their cart??)"
I would much rather play with those two than I would a couple of guys that had a fifth of Jack Daniels in their cart.
Posted by Know What I'm Sayin'? on July 25, 2007 11:24 AMI do know what you are saying. They were actually nice guys but had no business on the golf course. One guy took a swing, fell down and just laid there laughing. Golf should not take more than 3.5 hours but with some of the guys on the course you can have a 6 hour round.
Posted by just sayin' on July 25, 2007 03:30 PMThat's why I never play on weekends...
Posted by Charles B on July 25, 2007 07:54 PMThose of you implying that the slightly less manicured nature of the muni courses allows them to remain affordable missed the point of my letter. My letter was simply a comparison of 2 cities, aurora and denver. Aurora golf courses are LESS expensive than Denver courses and are maintained at a level far superior to those of denver.
Posted by Jason Arnold on August 1, 2007 02:04 PMOh and Allen Campbell, this is a simple discussion of why one municipality is capable of maintaing a golf course and another is not.... not a philosophy class.
Posted by Jason Arnold on August 1, 2007 02:09 PM