Making it hard to back an amnesty program
I recently attended an air show. It was great! It didn’t start well for me, though.
You see, they played the national anthem to start things off.
Nothing surprising there, except ... there was a group of Hispanic people just off to one side. They were talking. I never heard a word of English, and when everyone else stopped and turned toward the flag, removed hats, and stood very quietly, I thought these people would stop.
However, these folks just kept right on talking, laughing and wearing their cowboys hats.
Even if they didn’t speak our language, they could understand what was going on; the least they could do was to shut up.
You would think they would realize something was going on when everyone stopped what he or she was doing and removed cover, but not these folks!
Sure makes it hard to go along with any amnesty program.
Butch Augustine, Arvada
Butch, they dont care as all they want is this to be just like the 3rd world country they come from.
look how they are creating more jobs in the Glenwood area. they shoot store clerks and then hide because they dont want to be sent back.
Shame on all of us, but more so the government for not holding them accountable.
if they are here legally fine but all of this illigal crap needs to be delt with and that means sending them home. and that includes all the kids they came across the border to have here so they can play the my child is an American. BS they are not American but a Mexican born in America illigally here by illigal parents.
Arizona just enacted a law making it illegal for employers to hire criminal illegal Mexicans, Hindu-Indianns, etc., much to the chagrin of their "dixiecrats". We should follow suit. However, US Sen. Benedict Arnold Salazar (surrender monky, communist-sider, and draft dodger) and (D-Punjab) Gov. Ritter will do their best to undermine those efforts. Illegal Mexicans are Salazar's favorite (#1 traitor and #1 treasoner in congress) and Ritters is Indian illegals in Dataman, Inc., located in DTC. We should do a protest march around the Dataman office bldg.
Posted by [jjtenant] "40acresandmymuleandvetbennies" on July 5, 2007 06:38 AMRe-call them both. They are at war with Colorados working class. Colorado will be just like southern California by the time they leave. We just need to remember theyre selling out Colorado in the next election.
Posted by FW on July 5, 2007 06:53 AMWhen I saw those Mexican flags and Che banners during the "marches", those images burned into my memory. They were expressing something other than wanting to be an "American".
Illegals, we will never forget your arrogance and disrespect for our way of life. You tried to force yourselves down our throats, and you woke us up to your ajenda. I think you should have stayed quiet.
The free ride is OVER.
Posted by truthy on July 5, 2007 06:55 AMRe-call them both. They are at war with Colorados working class. Colorado will be just like southern California by the time they leave. We just need to remember theyre selling out Colorado in the next election.
Posted by FW on July 5, 2007 06:56 AMDid any Mexicans cruise en masse down Federal Blvd. for half the day honking and waving large American flags on the 4th of July like they do on Cinco de mayo?
And BTW, if you would have asked them to show respect and removed hats and stopped talking, you may have been accused of racial profiling and racism.
Posted by Ben on July 5, 2007 07:29 AMMake that "like they wave Mexican flags on Cinco de mayo", from previous post.
Posted by Ben on July 5, 2007 07:31 AMIllustrates a difference between illegal and legal immigrants. Legal immigrants respect this country, and typically love it, planning on becoming citizens. Illegal immigrants are here for personal gain, and have no respect for the country or its laws.
Posted by fiesty on July 5, 2007 07:39 AMTypical disrespect for the U.S.A., it's flag, and it's national anthem.
I only lived in Germany for 18 months, yet
I had the RESPECT for the people there to learn passable German. No way in hell I'd have yakked through
the German national anthem at, say, a soccer match. A
large portion of these people don't seem to care a hoot about the CITIZENS or traditions of the county they supposedly are embracing.
Funny how you see/read about people who have lived here 10, 15, 20 years, and they're talking Spanish through an interpreter.
Funnier still, you go to an Asian restaurant,
and they can speak passable English.
What's wrong with this picture?
Posted by RickyLee on July 5, 2007 07:55 AMhey what about our "lets raise taxes forever" governor Ritter, who now signed a law that gives illegals free medical coverage paid for by us LEGAL taxpayers? maybe we should stop paying taxes for politicians salaries and let the mexican government pay their salaires
Posted by tim on July 5, 2007 08:45 AMWent to the Rockies game last nite, pissed me off to see the bi-lingual signs there, like the international symbol for woman isn't good enough, they have to put it in freaking Spanish!!! Guess we can't afford to "alienate" the new citizenery. BUT, the patriotism of the whole nite just made me that more determined to keep involved in this issue. We must be vigilant and not forget when election time comes. Everyone, display your flags to remind "them" what country they are in and owe allegience to. God bless the USA.
Yes, Richard, I said GOD bless America.
A tax revolt is a very real possibility if our "elected officials" continue to ignore our wishes.
If they can't deport 12 million illegals, how are they going to arrest 100 million people for tax evasion?
We (Legal law abiding American citizens) have the numbers, they just have to pray that we never act together. They better pray hard.
Posted by truthy on July 5, 2007 09:50 AMBS they are not American but a Mexican born in America illigally here by illigal parents.
[fish]
The 14th amendment to the constitution specifies that anyone born in the United States automatically becomes a citizen.
Posted by JK789 on July 5, 2007 10:32 AMUNLESS, they are born here to those illegally in the US........why do people want to forget that part?
Posted by -J- on July 5, 2007 10:37 AMJ,
There is nothing in the 14th Amendment saying regarding legal status of parents.
Posted by JK789 on July 5, 2007 10:56 AM
We can deport 12-20 million illegal aliens, well, its not exactly deportation but real close. ENFORCE the laws regarding business hiring illegal aliens for cheap labor?????????? Pass laws like AZ, OK did.
HB2779 (AZ) signed by the Governor on Monday. Mandates law enforcement investigate claims that businesses knowingly hired illegal aliens. If true, businesses would have to fire the illegals within 3 days and sign an affidavit that it would not again hire illegals or face a 10 day suspension of a business license. A second infraction would result in permanent loss of business license.
If every state passed this one and some others, the illegal aliens would go home on their own accord.
If we stand up as Americans united it can happen, it did happen. We can be the stronger voice, we got through to the Senate, and defeated the S 1348 and S 1639 bills so why stop now.
Posted by Pam on July 5, 2007 10:59 AMThere people have no respect. If we'd been there ,guarentee we would of said something
to those people at that air show! Take your hats odd, stand up in revrence..you're in America. Wonder if they've ever had to go to court and have had to stand up in revrence to the judge ? It p*** me of to see spanish on everything.
Amendment 14 is being revised ..as..we..speak! That's what we need to push!! Oh..and GOD BLESS AMERICA! :)
"Shame on all of us," says Fish. There you go with those damned pronouns: "us, we" et al. You are including me in your denunciation of your choosing. Stop with the pronouns. Praise be Allah for he is God; we all agree on that, right. God Bless America and trash her Constitution, it is just "a goddamn piece of paper," says Bush. "God Bless America" and in His faith initiative that drives airliners into tall buildings and let the five Catholic terrorist Supremes pilot their aircraft into the Wall that Separates Siamese twins of Church and State. We all agree with my denunciation.
Posted by Richard Grimes r22037@yahoo.com (ffrf.org and ask for complimentary copy of Freethought Today) on July 5, 2007 11:11 AMAmmendment 14 states those born to those under the jurisdiction of the United States of America and not owing allegience to any foreign government......And I'm tired of this being used to justify the breaking of the law. This ammendment was created to define the status of Africans who were freed from slavery, thereby establishing their citizenship, and giving them the rights of citizens.
Do we have to change the freaking constitution to stop this invasion??? Come on......
-J-
The 14 Admendment is a easy way for any illegal alien that has given birth numerous times at the Americans expense on American soil to defend why they are still living here illegally. So to answer your question, yeah, unfortunately it will probably have to be rewritten and it will probably have to written in Spanish (or draw graphic pictures) also to make the illegal aliens understand they don't have a leg to stand on.
Posted by Pam on July 5, 2007 11:46 AMHey, Pam, nice to see you back on again. I haven't seen Anderson's name for a while. He either gave up on us, or is using another name. Steady on, girlfriend, we shall overcome. I love to remind the disrespectful spanish speakers that some of us Gringos speak Spanish....in their own language, but I will NEVER use it to communicate with them for their own convenience.
America...love it or LEAVE it. Do I need to say it in Spanish? NOT.
I speak a bit of Spanish.
But only when I'm vacationing in a Spanish speaking country, legally, I might add.
Posted by RickyLee on July 5, 2007 12:07 PMThe other day I read about how the farm subsidies here in the US has led to US produce being sold in Latin-America at lower prices than it cost to produce. This in turn has led to just under a million farmers and farm-workers in Mexico and other places being unable to compete and losing their jobs. One way they cope with this misery is to come over here legally or illegally.
So if this is correct, part of fixing the illegal-immigration problem is to stop undermining their economy by using US taxes to subsidize products that get sold below cost of production.
We live in a decent quiet neighborhood in Wheatridge. The neighborhood is diverse with American Hispanics, Caucasian, Black, Asian and two or three American Indian familys.
Then, two illegal alien familys moved into a couple of two bedroom rentals that became available. Then the fun started......
LOUD Mexican music at all hours(does a tuba only have one rhythm?) Boom pa pa boom,boom,boom, boom pa pa.
Then came the cars,trucks, parked everywhere, some with no plates some not running at all. One of the women actually drove an SUV for 6 months will NO PLATES at all. Men and pregnant women came and went all the time... some just stayed with the occupants that had rented the place. Two bedrooms remember? I saw filthy mattresses being dragged into the places many times. The front yards became dumping sites with toys, budwieser bottles, used diapers, car parts, old shoes, you name it.
Their numerous children played in the middle of the street and dared cars to hit them.
If some unfornuate in the neighborhood had a garage or yard sale they would converge on them like locusts and demand items be cheapened or free. I even watched some pick up stuff and just walk away while the others kept the homeowner busy. They would walk away and laugh!!!
Our newly wed son and daughter-in law had the misfortune to live on the opposite side of one illegal family. My daughter-in law was totally embarrassed when she walked out onto her tiny back deck and saw a man and woman from next door having sex on their deck...this was in the early afternoon.
They used the tiny attached garage for car repair AND painting cars. They about choked my son and daughter out of their place two or three times. My son tried to ask them not to paint in the garage as the fumes came over to his part of the garage...since they couldn't speak a word of English they just gave him a blalnk stare and walked away. Did I forget to mention the pitbulls that moved in with them???
Know what we did to combat this?????
My son and daughter in- law brought out their heavy duty LOUD speakers placed them outside and when the illegals would play the Mexican music they would crank up and play Italian opera (soprano only) They just laughed at first, but opera can be very irritating after awhile especially if you don't have an ear for that type of music. Sorry opera fans!!!
We did this in the day time only!!
They started turning their loud music down!!!
When they turned theirs down so did we!!
Then we called zoning on them not just once or twice but on a CONSTANT basis, we complained about the junk cars,unlicensed cars on the street, trash in the yards. They would clean it up, then, start trashing it all over again.
When my daughter-in law saw the sex scene we called the police, if they were loud after ten at night we called the police, if their dogs barked after ten we called the police,if they hit their children or neglected them we called the police...many would run out the back way when the police showed up.
When they tried working on their cars in the garage or painting them we called the fire department on them....claiming toxic fumes. We involved the landlord many times(he was not thrilled) in disputes over them blocking our vehicles in our driveway.... took pictures to show cops!!
All in all we drove them just as nuts as they did us....It worked!! one family moved last November and the one that stayed is keeping a very low profile. There's more but I will just say..... Illegals don't like the police being called CONSTANTLY!!
Anyone else have a story or two about combating the trashing of our neighborhoods by illegals???
I am talking about ILLEGAL aliens ONLY not about trashy Americans(there are plenty of them also) but, they don't go to Mexico and trash up Mexicos resort hotels do they??
So save your breath all of you PRO-Illegal advocates!
I just wanna hear from American citizens with the same problems.
Posted by AAA on July 5, 2007 12:34 PMBango, I have read quite a lot about American companies using Mexican land and driving the farmers out. The Chiquita (U.S. Fruit) people have done this. Also in Guatemala that company did business with the rebels to keep farmers down.
If, and I say if, all this is true, then once again, big, international businesses have hurt us all.
How do we get Americans to care why people are migrating here?
What do we show them or say to them?
History is one long sorry tale of wars and migrations because of scarce resources. If we could make the resources a lot less scarce in Latin America, if we are contributing to this condition, then the migration might stop peacefully.
My fear is street violence and Americans using vigilante justice when they think an illegal has broken the law. It will come to that. It always does.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 5, 2007 12:37 PMThe 14th Amendment will not be changed. Come on people...
And just so that there is clarity:
"1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - Section 1 of Amendment 14 to the US Constitution.
Posted by Dan2 on July 5, 2007 12:44 PMIt already has...innocent latino-american beaten to death after a car accident....can't remember where but it was last week.
Posted by -J- on July 5, 2007 12:48 PMSharon, thanks - you raise two really good issues.
” How do we get Americans to care why people are migrating here?”
Somehow Americans have to get off the internally divisive “talking points” and start asking more questions. That isn’t easy because there is a mature, robust, and well-entrenched system of tit-for-tat political discourse. It also takes something big to get people on both “sides” to accept that the leaders they have been rooting for and whose talking-points they have been defending are taking them for a ride and making a fool of them.
” My fear is street violence and Americans using vigilante justice when they think an illegal has broken the law. It will come to that. It always does.”
Sadly yes, usually victims wind up attacking other victims in a misplaced effort to get relief. Americans have plenty to be angry about, they just seem to pick fellow victims as targets instead of the systems and people who really are responsible.
For most Americans, disposable income, job security, healthcare, and many intangibles to do with American leadership in science, technology, democracy, leadership, etc. have all dropped over the last 50 years. (with a few brief upturns here and there). For others the last 50 years have been a bonanza. That might be a good place to start to look.
The illegal immigrant problem is a symptom imo, not a cause.
Citing the deeds of criminals is in no way a positive arguement for the acceptance of illegals of any race, creed or color. It must be remembered folks that a lot of the illegals that come here from Mexico have lived in abject poverty for generations in their homeland so they do not know any other way. Theft, violence, filty environments are as common there as fleas on a uncared for dog. It is ignorance that is as much to blame as the arrogance that results from fear of dicovery and the envy of what all the people around them have that they feel they can never achieve. Don't take this for any justification for illegals, it's not, it's just an explanation of why some of them don't know how to act in civilized society.
Posted by Allen Campbell on July 5, 2007 01:30 PMJ, that was in Austin, TX here is the news article:
http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/Jun/20070621News020.asp
There are tons of others if you Google.
Allen said, “It must be remembered folks that a lot of the illegals that come here from Mexico have lived in abject poverty for generations in their homeland so they do not know any other way. Theft, violence, filty environments are as common there as fleas on a uncared for dog.” – but why bring all that here, if you like that lifestyle, may be you can move into your dream neighborhood in Mexico, keep it there!
Posted by Uno on July 5, 2007 01:52 PMIf Mexican immigrants (legal & illegal) should learn English, then fish & Truthy should learn English as well, it's only fair.
Posted by drew on July 5, 2007 02:34 PMAAA,
I know how you feel, I am dealing with this now with a family of illegals moved in and another family down the street. The one down the street has had 5 different families since being bought...nothing like a safe house for illegal aliens just breaking into our country. The cars also have alot of different license plates...one car can have 5 different ones depending on how often Code Enforcement drives by (they drive by often, because I keep calling them LOL). They only come out a night and than cars will appear and they go through the trunk with boxes that looks like paperwork and that car disappears and a couple of months later that family is gone and a new on suddenly moves in. The other one down the street at any given time has 5 to 7 vehicles parked around any empty spots they can find and the music kicks in, the kids start screaming at an extra large decibel.
I am a good neighbor, I keep to myself and try not to cause to many problems, so I feel that if I can hear your kids or your music in my house with the windows closed.....YOU ARE TO F***** LOUD. So the battle begins and so far we are at a Mexican impass, but I will win, be sure of that...I am American hear me roar. Gives a new meaning to revolving doors, doesn't it
Damn Drew, you can do better than that. Are you tired or something? I don't even feel a little offended. Try calling me a racist, that one really pisses me off! :)
Pam I hear ya!!!! Keep after em! I watched as they took licence plates from one vehicle and used it on other vehicles. They did this all the time! But, the woman who drove with no plates at all just did it openly and blatently. It totally p***ed me off!!
I don't care where people come from surely they know a teeny little bit about cleanliness of some sort...if they take a shower or bathe once in awhile that tells me they have some sort of inkling about the necessity of getting clean. I don't know if they did or didn't wash themselves.
These people all wore filthy clothes and looked pretty nasty, even the women!
Who knows what they smelled like. YUK!!!
Enjoy that fast food when it's handed to you!!
Posted by AAA on July 5, 2007 04:51 PMPam, I’ve tried to make some sense of your post, when I realized that you used “to” where it should have been “too”, lol. That's OK. What a woman!
Posted by Uno on July 5, 2007 06:30 PMNoticed something interesting here....a little more DIY about the Third (or is it Fourth?) World customs our uninvited guests bring us,and a little less(however well-deserved) excoriation of our leaders for not sending in the National Guard.....A vigilante mob will always disperse;a garrison will always remain much longer than anyone wants....For the person who worried about the anchor-baby phenomenon-nothing precludes foster care placement for the children of deported parents.After all,being the parents of young children didn't do much for Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
Posted by Jimminy on July 5, 2007 09:00 PMAAA,
We visited our old neighborhood in Lakewood and the whole block id changed,
you can now call it Taco Blvd. My friend said there's 7 ROOSTERS across the street from him, they don't know night or day.. I said if I lived there I'd probly have a BB gun :),
He said if you don't have roosters now..
"THEY ARE COMING"
And these people are in the shadows?
If amnesty passes....everything will come out..clothes on the fences..the loud music..,
rooster cock fights, what else. We will not have America as we knew it.
To be continued....
Posted by maria-now -Independent on July 6, 2007 01:02 AMMaria... I have seen Mexican flags being tacked up on picture windows in some neighborhoods. That "shove it in your American face" attitude is arrogance, ignorace, and enrages me!!!!!
I agree with you these people are certainly NOT "in the shadows!"
It's a darn good thing I wasn't at that air show when the illegals disrespected our national anthem. I would have shouted ICE and watched them scatter!!
We didn't give an inch in our neighborhood!!!
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We obtained a list of our zoning laws and called Code Enforcement or the police at the slightest infraction of these laws.
Most areas have ordinances(noise, etc.) we found out out what our area allows and took advantage of the laws.
Citizens NEED to start fighting back!!! It is not "working class" Americans that welcome these poor, down-trodden, "it's all Americas fault that they are here" invaders with open arms.
It is the business owners and politicians who live in gated communities, enjoying their particle board palaces, that never see or hear of the chaos and filth that illegals bring into American neighborhoods.
Actually the above mentioned, including the illegals, could care less!!
We boycott all companies that hire illegals!! We call our representitives and request they tighten the noose around businesses that hire these people. We are just a single neighborhood taking small steps in an effort to bring peace and quiet back into our lives.
We stay within the law and are not about to get stupid and violent with the illegals no matter how much they p*** us off!!!
We are well aware that if violence occurs the cops would arrest US and let the illegals off the hook!!!!!!!
That's now.... the American way!!!
Posted by AAA on July 6, 2007 09:47 AMContact your elected officials every day.
Demand they make efforts to repeal of section one of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
Demand border enforcement.
Demand the deportation to the southernmost area of Mexico, all illegal Mexicans who have committed other crimes.
Demand immediate deportation of illegals of all nationalities who commit other crimes.
Demand an end to 'sanctuary cities' and those policies.
Call I.C.E. and advise them of employers of illegals and demand they enforce current immigration laws.
Demand the Federal Government stop jerking us around with unneeded bills such as the AMNESTY bill just defeated by the will of the people.
Since all we ever hear are Demands made by those illegals and their enablers, demand change now and don't stop demanding until the will of the citizens of the USA is made reality.
Posted by Jay on July 6, 2007 10:29 AMLast week in Basalt an employee at a convenience store wore his Border Patrol baseball cap to work, and some un-happy illegals shot at him through the windows of the store when they left. Maybe turnabout it fair play. Just plink into the shadows since that is where Salazar and Cherthoff say the illegals are.
Posted by on July 6, 2007 10:38 AMBango & Sharon B, the reason all the family farmers are being driven out is so that all the corporations can buy all the farmland, own all the farms, and when it suits their needs, simply not plant. That way they can starve us all out. It is part of the plan. Fascism is growing faster than a thistle in the meadow. Just look at how many American family owned farms have failed this past 40 years, then look at the Mexicans being driven out of farming, and see where this pattern leads. If it isn't exposed for what it is soon, then stopped in its tracks, millions will starve in the very near future. The truth is out there America, wake up and open your eyes.
Posted by Jay on July 6, 2007 12:55 PMAntonio Villaraigosa.
Never forget that name.
Posted by truthy on July 6, 2007 01:25 PMAnd pray tell, truthy, just why should we remember his name? Because he happens to be a Mexican-AMERICAN, even though you want to forget the operative half of that distinction? Hmm? Is it so that you can help to stoke further hatred of AMERICAN citizens of Mexican/Latino/Hispanic descent? Hmm? Is it so you can feel better about your own personal failures (which I am sure are many and varied) by scapegoating an entire ethnic group, many of which are not even related and hold deep resentment of some within the group? Hmm? Or are you finally letting your bigotry shine through?
BTW, it is good to see you back and slinging your nonsense as before. Try not to let your precious little feelings get too hurt when you get mercilessly torn to shreds by those who think you talk nonsense this time, eh?
Posted by Paulie on July 6, 2007 02:08 PMSecure the borders FIRST.
Then we'll talk about the rest.
American CITIZENS have spoken loud and clear.
Pussy...uh Paulie,
I think that "torn to shreads" thing happened only in your under developed little brain. Call me out all you want, your still a punk and too stupid to know it.
You can't hurt ANYTHING on me especially my feelings, so throw your tantrum. It might work on mommy and daddy, but not with me.
SECURE THE BORDERS!
Posted by truthy on July 6, 2007 02:49 PMAwww, truthy, you are still just as cute as a sea slug, and still just as smart too!! Nothing surprising coming from a bigoted moron like you. Ho hum . . .
Posted by Paulie on July 6, 2007 02:56 PMPretty lame comeback Paulie. Have your parents help you next time. 'kay puddin?
SECURE THE BORDERS NOW!
Posted by truthy on July 6, 2007 02:59 PMTo all those who want to "SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST",
First of all, I believe that, among these posters, only RickyLee is truly interested in securing ALL the borders, with no bigotry in mind. Just remember, that "securing the borders" entails:
1. Securing the totality of the US land borders to the South and the North, over three thousand miles of it,
2. Securing all commercial ports, major and minor (not only to stop illegal immigrants but also to stop potential terrorists and the to stem the unimpeded flow of drugs into the country),
3. Dramatically upping security in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and all US territories anywhere in the world (from the Carribean to the South Pacific, again to stop illegal immigration and potential terrorists and to stem the flow of drugs into the US),
4. Actually providing the money needed by DHS and ICE so they can finally do their jobs in a half-way efficient manner (even if it means -gasp- raising taxes, but we could de-fund the tortilla curtain instead and put the money to law enforcement; the iron curtain didn't work for the communists, so why do we think it'll work for us?),
5. Scrapping the bigoted rhetoric about "mexicans this and mexicans that". Tommy-Boy Tancredo himself today on CNN grudgingly admitted that about 45% of people in the US illegally did not illegally cross a border to get here.
These are but five initial steps that would help us achieve the commendable objective of securing the borders. Who has the gumption to want to do this? It will be necessary if we want to get ANYTHING constructive done about the conditions at the entry points to our great country.
Posted by Paulie on July 6, 2007 03:14 PMMy final address to you, "truthy":
If you want to pick a fight, start punching your kid again. You'll get more attention that way, narcissistic a**hole.
Posted by Paulie on July 6, 2007 03:18 PMwell, Thank You, Paulie, for judging all of us. But, I do agree with your post.
Posted by on July 6, 2007 03:50 PMYou two boys, try to get along, we need to be "united", here. Babies......
Posted by -J- on July 6, 2007 03:52 PM3:50pm poster: I did not really judge you all, I merely made an observation (otherwise I would not have used the phrase "I believe that", I would instead have omitted that subordinate clause from the sentence). It is indeed a harsh observation, but I will happily admit I am wrong where applicable.
-J-: Be careful lashing out like that, man, as I have seen more than a couple of your postings where you too devolve to the childish. But hey, at least I can admit that I do it.
Posted by Paulie on July 6, 2007 04:03 PMWhen people start calling each other names, their credibility goes right down the drain.
Posted by A on July 6, 2007 05:12 PM