On the other foot
How many filibusters have the conservatives in Congress used in the past six months? The party that continually bemoaned and threatened the Democrats with the “nuclear option” for even hinting at the use of the filibuster, are now using that very same “tricky obstructionist procedural technique” to hide from voting on the most important issues facing our country today.
The conservatives filibustered debate on Iraq, the Medicare prescription drug plan, the energy plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, the immigration reform package, the Employee Free Choice Act and many more.
The obstructionist conservatives are blocking Congress from doing the people’s business.
I guess they didn’t get the message this past November that the United States is looking for change, not business as usual.
James M. Gleeson, Denver
wow a liberal upset that the tables turned on them and they are getting the same treatment and tactic they used.
I guess when the shoe is on the other foot you liberals dont like it, do you? but I am sure the liberals only used the filibuster when there was only non important issues up for a vote.
so sorry james you cant have it both ways and if anyone was the obstructionist it is your liberal buddies
When complaining about our leaders in Washington, not doing their job, it doesn't seem to matter which party you are talking about.
Everything that is done now, depends on both sides trying to gain some edge to get an advantage in the next election with little concern toward the countries needs.
We are in need of a new direction in Washington.
Posted by Don Evans on July 18, 2007 07:02 AMThe Democrats didn't use the filibuster to stop the appointments of Alito and Roberts- a transgression for which I will not soon forgive them.
Another reason Salazar has got to go.
Posted by Charles B on July 18, 2007 08:23 AMI hate to say it but this all night "debate" was nothing more than a media stunt. Senators tout the shrinking approval for the President and the war but fail to see that Congress' approval rating is even lower!
This was nothing more than a play to the media. It had nothing to do with the war and everything to do with political motivation and gains.
I admit I am conservative.... That being said it does not mean that I rubber stamp the republican agenda. I am conservative first and republican second. And as a Gulf War (1991) vet I do support the war and the action that was taken. That being said it does not mean that there needs to be some thought or debate aout the possibility of a change in tactics in the region. But this endless political posturing and debate to pull out troops and end a mission before it is accomplished does nothing but demonstrate to the world that America does not have the heart to finish what it starts and that we will pull out if our nose gets bloodied.
If congress wants to do something how about quitting the political posturing and focus on fixing issues with America. But instead we get bills watered down with pork-barrel spending for stupid projects designed to benefit only the district of the polititian that put in in the bill is in. I have heard alot of liberal complaining about the cost of the war and the budget but yet liberals introduce pork into alot of bills.
Last night showed me once and for all that congress is broken and needs to be fixed. Maybe it is time for term limits for congressmen.
Last nights debate did nothing but allow senators to posture so that when the time to be re-elected comes up they don't fear a loss.
Maybe it is time for polititians to quit worrying about getting re-elected and start doing what is right and honorable for this country.
Pull troops out of Iraq and in 10 years we will be cleaning up another September 11, why? Because America will have again demonstrated that we will run away if the cost is too high. This "Iraq war debate" did nothing but send a message to those that are opposing us in Iraq that if they keep doing what they are doing America will lose its stomach for the fight and run. We did in Somalia and in doing so we embolden those that hate our way of life.
So congress keep staying up all night and keep debating the defeat of America. While those that are the real heroes do their job. Congress keep gathering those big paychecks and thinking that you are actually doing something all the while taking forever andthreatening to withhold funding for our heroes in iraq.
On second thought maybe last night was a good thing.... For the first time a senator actually lost some sleep for a change, Welcome to what our heroes in iraq deal with all to often. It is time for the congress to shut up and fund our troops and for the first time since WW2 stay in an extended fight until it is over! Not until it is unpopular. We do not wage war based on public opinion if we plan on winning it.
So congress continue to do nothing and thank you to those that voted for change and got this---- but what did you get? Nothing! A few renamed buildings. I think America desreves better than it has gotten from congress since this past election.
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Glad to see the public back-stabbing of our troops was brought into every American home via TV. Now we all know and its not subject to any debate. The Democrats--bringing their pajamas and beds to "work" with them is also the very same political party totally asleep on the issue of terrorism. And America watched this unpatriotic "cut-n-run" crowd of cowardly Benedict Arnolds make fools of themselves.
The party of defeat--the Democrats (aka Islamocrats)--sent a very negative "we don't support you" message to our troops while backing, supporting and giving aid and comfort to AQ terrrorists. These snakes couldn't even wait for the scheduled September surge report from the battle field.
No wonder why Congress enjoys a lower approval rating than Bush. Pelosi and Reid have conspired to deliver absolutely nothing in the past 6 months. And now, its been reduced to theatre. Wait for the next poll to reveal that their approval rating has plunged even lower than the losers total in a low scoring soccer game.
Boy, am I glad that we exposed these cowardly traitors on national TV. This will bite the Islamocrats in the ass come election time.
Meanwhile, just as the Dems delivered a slumber party, Bush delivered DJIA 14000 on its way to 16000!
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 08:27 AMOh Hank, your ignorance and rabid support for anyone with an R after their name is frightening. If you had the misfortune of being born in Palestine, Iraq, etc. you would be the perfect suicide bomber candidate. Let us see, you seem to be uneducated, you hate those you do not agree with you, and you are easily duped as witnessed by your ludicrous assertion that Bush was responsible for the DOW topping 14,000.
Good thing you live here and not there because some bearded mullah would be sizing you up for a bombing belt. Here you are laughable, there you would be deadly.
The Republican list of accomplishments:
All-time record household net worth, record corporate profits, record dividends, record corporate profit margins, record stock prices, record stock ownership, record new jobs, record employment, record household incomes, record consumption, record GDP, record trade, record capitalism, record wealth, record prosperity, record IRAs, record 401Ks, record low interest rates, record home ownership, record college attendance, plunging deficit near record low as a percent of GDP, plunging inflation, plunging interest rates.
...and the Dems offer record pajamas, record cots, record slumber parties, record troop back-stabbings, record cut-n-runs, record surrenders, record poverty and misery in the cities that they run and control, record global warming, record windmills, record earth savings, record endangered species, record carbon credits, record drowning polar bears, record number of victims, record diversity, record granola bars, record Birkenstocks, record backpacks, record bicycles, record bottled water, record membership in the Benedict Arnold Club ...and no energy with record tax hikes.
Rudy or Mitt....vs. Obama or Hillary? I'll go with "Team DJIA 20000," not the socialists and displaced communists.
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 09:29 AM
You must hold the record for writing the word "record" into a single post.
Here is one record you do not have, a record of taking economic classes. If you think the President or any political party is responsible for the bull run of the last five years then you are on record as being one misinformed individual.
Marine,
I'm glad to hear that you don't approve of every single Republican initiative on the agenda. Unfortunately, it appears that you are one of very few conservatives who don't just blindly follow the GOP "leadership" like lemmings off the edge of a cliff.
How do you say that Democrats are "asleep on the job?" They have tried to pass substantive legislation and get the president to listen, but they have been stifled by vetoes and lack of support from their GOP counterparts.
No matter which party is in power, it takes cooperation of the minority party in order to get things done.
If today's Republican party would get their act together, they might even get my vote. But the course that we've been on since January 2000,under a Republican president and Congress, is not even close to what I could have imagined. (Talk about rubber stamping!)
The president and many congressional Republicans have become too extreme in their conservativism and have closed their minds to new ideas and to the will of the American people.
No matter what the next elections bring, I only hope that we can get some real leaders in government who can put aside partisan politics and start working together to tackle and solve the issues.
I wish that America would follow the plans of our founding fathers. Politics was never meant to be a profession. It was the intet of the founders for common people to "give back" to the country by serving as part of the legislature for a few years, then go back to the regular lives -- not become ridiculously wealthy by catering to special interest groups and forgetting about their constituents.
Posted by Tree Hugger on July 18, 2007 09:44 AMMarine said:
"Pull troops out of Iraq and in 10 years we will be cleaning up another September 11, why? Because America will have again demonstrated that we will run away if the cost is too high. This "Iraq war debate" did nothing but send a message to those that are opposing us in Iraq that if they keep doing what they are doing America will lose its stomach for the fight and run. We did in Somalia and in doing so we embolden those that hate our way of life."
I guess then you'd agree that our current troubles with terrorists can be laid at the feet of good old "cut and run" Reagan.
Remember how Ronnie cut & run from Beirut in the 1980s after the Marine barracks bombing? That must've "emboldened the enemy" and led to the rise of Al Qaeda & other terror groups. Shame on Ronnie - he must've hated America!
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 10:10 AMSO YOU VOTED FOR CHANGE...BUT ONLY GOT A SIESTA?
Zogby...congressional approval poll plunges to 14% --prior to last night's fandango. Its headed to single digit...we are now only 14 points above zero!
Did you know that Nancy's highly touted-first 100-hour "house cleaning" included a cot, pajamas and a snooze button?
Rome burns while Reid fiddles, this incompetent, "not ready for prime time" clown couldn't direct a 2-car funeral. He walked away from his "OK Corral" looking looking like a Swiss cheese--52 to 47! How can America take this bunch seriously, why should we trust them? Can you imagine how this crowd of Islamocrats would handle things in the event of a real emergency? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ is not the answer.
The Islamocrats should filibuster themselves. 6 months and ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, VOID, VACANT AND 0 accomplished. What a waste of time and money.
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 10:19 AMAnd you, Hank, have just set the record for number of lies in a single post you displaced nazzi you.
Posted by J on July 18, 2007 10:20 AMAnd you, Hank, have just set the record for number of lies in a single post you displaced nazi you.
Posted by J on July 18, 2007 10:28 AMHank is full of hyperbole and short on facts. Don't worry Hank, nobody in their right mind is at risk of taking you seriously.
Hank
Why don't you keep regurgitating the same moronic pablum that you obviously listen to on Rush every day.
You're throwing your toys because you got your butt whipped in the last elections. But it gets better! Next year the empty-headed brush-cutting buffoon from Crawford is going to be gone - as well as all the immoral, bribe taking, thick headed hangers-on - and any chance of another wingnut presidency has vanished forever. Halleluja.
And next year the Democratic Congress won't be hamstrung by a veto-happy fool. Thank God we'll get rid of this crowd & have a chance to reclaim our country's good name.
So put that in your pipe & smoke it, halfwit!
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 10:36 AMWow. The republics had 6 years to get things done. And they did NOTHING, unless you are rich or a corporation. Now the dems are struggling in their first 6 months due to republican obstructionism...and its somehow the dems fault? Please hank.
Let me guess....you were the first to b!tch about democrats obstructionism, but when the republics do it, its OK, right?
"record corporate profits, record dividends, record corporate profit margins, record stock prices,"
Too bad that none of that translates to higher pay, huh hank? % of corporate take devoted to employee income is at its lowest since 1929.
"record household incomes"
This is a lie, hank. Household income has been declining every year since 2000.
"record consumption,"
And this is good?
"record wealth"
For the top 1-2%. Everybody else gets the shaft.
"record IRAs, record 401Ks"
ANother lie. JEez hank. Savings rates the last few years have actually been negative.
"record low interest rates"
Which started under Clinton, no?
"record home ownership"
and record number of foreclosures....ahh, the Bush "legacy"
"plunging deficit near record low as a percent of GDP"
Too bad the deficit is at an all-time high.
"plunging interest rates."
Dude you already said that.
Hank - you've proven yourself to be at least as full of BS as karl rove.
"A DIFFERING VIEW: Diagnosis of mental illness lacks scientific rigor. "
Did you miss last night's Islamocrat Fandango & Siesta?
Zogby's pre-"Fandango & Siesta" poll has Congressional (read Pelosi and Reid)approval collapsing to 14%--that's only 14 points above zero. What will the next Zogby poll reveal? If you didn't belive in BLACK HOLES before, then you'll surely be a believer by the weekend.
Never before has a picture of mental illness been brought into the living rooms of so many American homes. Even Benedict Arnold would have been embarrassed.
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 10:58 AMI think Hanks Kool-aid is spiked! I find it interesting the hatred some people have for those who disagree with them. Because people want a different solution than breaking the bank on our country in Iraq they are Islamocrats and fascists. Look up the word fascist Hank it describes everything about the Bush administration. Don't forget to take your ADD meds with your Kool-aid.
Posted by Michael D on July 18, 2007 12:21 PMI think Hanks Kool-aid is spiked! I find it interesting the hatred some people have for those who disagree with them. Because people want a different solution than breaking the bank on our country in Iraq they are Islamocrats and fascists. Look up the word fascist Hank it describes everything about the Bush administration. Don't forget to take your ADD meds with your Kool-aid.
Posted by Michael D on July 18, 2007 12:23 PM
Thank God 70% of the nation disagrees with “hank’ and this poor disillusioned Marine ( proof that Walter Reed and veterans’ health policies haven’t been corrected yet). America and the Constitution are being spit on by the thugs in the white House! It’s time to stop this madman’s vetos and impeach very corrupt one of them! We need to take back America before BushCheney and their ilk ( ilk=Republicans) take away every right that past Americans died for. They pretend to honor America but use the Flag to hide behind and accuse anyone who oppose them as traitors ( standard practice of all dictators). Saddam, Castro, Stalin, Hitler all declared that anyone that opposed them was unpatriotic and a traitor as well. I suggest hank volunteer and get his a** over to Iraq if this is such a glorious war. The marine, while I respect his service I disagree with his thinking, after all, military men usually support wars..it’s what they do, just as plumbers support indoor plumbing and drainage. Military men do well at fighting wars but they are the last people I want to decide whether we go to war. They are a little too gung-ho and all to willing to follow orders. But my son served on the USS Abraham Lincoln when Bush stated ‘mission accomplished’ and the consensus of the sailors there was that they were sickened by Bush’s photo shoot, turning it into a political sideshow instead of honoring those who had died for nothing! Tell me how in he world 28% of the people can still support this lunatic in the White House? I wish you guys loved this country as much as you love the republican party. It’s time to take back America, Damn it, IT”S OUR FLAG TOO!!!!
Watch for Newt this fall. Finally, here comes an opportunity to vote "government of the people, by the people, for the people!"
Posted by Gail K on July 18, 2007 12:41 PMCan't wait, Gail K - Newt's such a role model! Issued divorce papers to his wife who was in hospital with cancer while Newt was fooling around with an intern (remember how scandalized Newt was by Clinton?). In fact Newt was a serial adulterer. Guess he stands for your "family values" eh, Gail?
Maybe David Vitter can be his running mate - he's such a stand up, religious guy who's always preaching to us about "values." Maybe he was just teaching "values" to the young women he encountered on his brothel crawling escapades.
And so contrite now that he's been caught!
Yup - encourage Newty to run - he can be the "values" candidate!
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 12:51 PMSLEEP DEPRIVATION FAILS, HARRY REID ESCALATES TO WATER BOARDING FOR HIS NEXT SENATE SESSION.
It won't be long before the Islamocrats resort to introducing select body parts to the jumper cables attached to a Peterbilt truck battery. Can the chipper-schreder and acid baths be far behind?
The Surrendercrats are on the loose...Nurse Ratchet, get their meds. Ratchet, are there any spare Benedict Arnold-type straight jackets ? You know, nurse, they're the yellow ones.
Congressional approval=14% and plunging!
Gail, Watch for Newt, is he between love afairs and interested in government again?
Or am I confusing him with some other ladies man in the Republic party.
To all of you who have started using the term "Democrat Party" and "Republic Party" to get back our dignity at having our party name trashed. I salute you.
I am a proud member of the Democrat Party.
There are Republicans that would make a good, better then Bush, President. Almost anyone would be better then what we have to endure now.
Government can`t function with a bottle neck at the top.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 12:59 PMGingrich is the type of slime hanky and his buds would jump to follow..hopefully like lemmings over a cliff.
I cant help wopndering what happened to Democracy, can it really work when somehow a minority get to dictate to the majority? Oops I forgot, the minority has the money...its a Monocracy. hank and gail give Newt a kiss for us better be careful tho, you might catch something.
I think little Hank gets turned on by anything to do with torture - just like his chickenhawk buddies Bush & Cheney. Hank's probably getting off on his secret Abu Graib video collection right now! But when his wife comes back to the trailer he quickly flips it back to "Judge Judy."
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 01:11 PMNow hank's on line looking for a place that discreetly sells hoods and leashes.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 01:17 PMTo all of you who have started using the term "Democrat Party" and "Republic Party" to get back our dignity at having our party name trashed. I salute you.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 12:59 PM
Different name, same elitist organization...
Posted by Roy on July 18, 2007 01:25 PMRoy, but the Repuclic party says they are not elitist, that they have a big tent. That was the party you were referencing, right?
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 01:38 PMI was referencing both parties...
Posted by Roy on July 18, 2007 01:41 PMI was referencing both parties...
Posted by on July 18, 2007 01:41 PMDrew,
"Values?" Do democrats really care? Look him up.
GailK,
"Look him up" - is "values" a person?
And I don't know about Democrats, but it's quite clear that you don't really care.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 02:01 PMHere is a great website to learn all about republican "Values"..and I use that term loosely. Read about these great and noble whoremongers . Oops I meant WARmongers, and honest mistake considering Vitters, Livingston, Gingrich, etc...
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
Republicans..they are not just for pedophilia anymore!
Posted by jimd4x4 on July 18, 2007 02:04 PMZOGBY: 1 OUT OF 8 (14%) AMERICANS APPROVE OF CONGRESS, WHILE 7 OF 8 (86%) AMERICANS DISAPPROVE OF CONGRESS.
The horror for the libdems (Islamocrats/Surrendercrats/Benarnoldcrats)is that all--each and every one--100.0%--of the Democrat candidates for '08 are in the increasingly unpopular and much hated and despised Senate while none--0.0%--of the top Republican front-runners are in either the hated Senate or House...And I bet the next polls reveals a 9/10 disapproval rating.
Are we getting a sneak preview of '08 here? Can we connect the dots? Are Hillary and Obama immune to the rapidly growing rancid stink being exuded by the Democrat ? party? Can roadkill deliver the prize in '08?
Hmmmmmmmmm?
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 02:05 PMFrew,
It's quite clear that you do not "value" true solutions over party politics.
Drew,
It's quite clear that you do not "value" true solutions over party politics.
Uh, oh - little hank is back. Abu Graib - tape 2, must be over. Must be waiting for the missus to go get some Bud lights before he starts tape 3. That Lindy English is hot, isn't she?!
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 02:12 PMOh, I see, Gail. When Newt is a serial philanderer who commits adultery with interns & then serves divorce papers on his wife, in the hospital with cancer - that's OK - because he provides a "true solution." And criticism of him is just "party politics."
Funny how people like you called Bill Clinton every name in the book for an extra-marital affair - said he disgraced the office & provided a "horrible example" for kids (not to mention the billions spent by Repugs trying to nail him). Then, of course you're not indulging in "party politics", you're sticking up for "values."
Funny how your story changes - or maybe I've got you wrong & you're a huge Clinton fan? Or is it only Dems who have to pass your "values" test?
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 02:23 PMDrew,
All I heard thenwas defense of Clinton, stating that those things "don't matter." It's refreshing to see that people truly care about values these days.
Now, can we get to the subject of solutions to America's problems? Newt has solutions. I've heard nothing but talk about solutions from the Dems.
Posted by Gail K on July 18, 2007 02:28 PMThe dems ran on a platform of a new direction and pointed sharply at the reps for all the worlds problems. Elect us and we will fix everything was the mantra.
Now, almost 7 months of earning their salary, they have only sent 2 bills to the pres. One which contained the very thing Bush said he would veto.
People like Tree Hugger like to keep pretending it's Bush's veto pen that is thwarting the dems. Sounds good on the surface but only two bills have reached the pres so far and only one was vetoed.
Pelosi & Co hammered out (not well thought out) a few bills in the "first 100 hours" but NONE of those bills have even been considered by the senate yet. They appear to be too busy looking for virtually anything remotely scandalous they can pin on the reps.
So sorry folks, yes, the dems have a dismal record in the first 7 months. It's nobodies fault but their own.
They tried to take the moral high ground in the last election when they claimed they would fix everything toot sweet. What they won't get now is a pass from Americans who believed in their shallow promises. And they won't be given any slack past 2008 to either put up, or be replaced.
I say it's time for them all to go. Lets clean house people!
Posted by KW on July 18, 2007 02:36 PMGailK,
Actually Democrats for the most part believe that people's private lives should be private. it's Republicans who make such a huge deal of "values" and then pretend that these don't matter when it concerns Newt, Vitter, Livingstone, ted Haggard, etc.
See, what we're pointing out is your hypocrisy. Apparently as a religious person you have no problems with Newt's version of family values & serial philandering.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 02:48 PM"Actually Democrats for the most part believe that people's private lives should be private" - drew
You're joking right?
Posted by Roy on July 18, 2007 02:57 PMDrew,
Careful, you are making yourself sound Newtophobic, and you don't even know what he plans. Don't rush to judgement. Be a little more tolerant. He's really not going to hurt you. Visiting his website won't infect you.
I have to get some things done, but will check back with you some time in the morning. Bye.
Posted by Gail K on July 18, 2007 03:00 PMGail,
He's a smart guy - but I don't trust him a bit - not many do.
And you still haven't answered my question as to whether Newt being a cheat, liar & philanderer is OK with you (especially as a religious person).
"You're joking right?"
No, Roy, I'm dead serious - why do you ask?
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 03:14 PMBecause any politician that supports the IRS and the income tax does not care about your privacy being private, as you must register with the State in order to work and in doing so you must supply them with all of your financial documentation regarding income etc. Lieberman (nominally a democrat) was recently pushing for British style surveillance around the US, reducing privacy to a minimum...etc. Wire-tapping was not invented by the Bush Admin. in response to 9/11, as it had been happening by the government (D & R) since the technology was available...
The Dems, and Repubs both want a National ID card which would be connected to a national database containing all sorts of 'private' information about the citizens of this country.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Roy,
Income tax is paid by all first world democracies, so how is that a "privacy" issue?
Lieberman is a Democrat in name only.
Where is your documentation that wire tapping " had been happening by the government (D & R) since the technology was available...?"
Democrats, in principle are for privacy rights and the constitution - who do you think made the most noise at bush's illegal wiretapping and intrusion into libraries & bookstores?
Most dems - myself included - believe that the govt should get the hell out of people's bedrooms & personal lives. I really don't care who marries whom or what consenting adults do in private. And private family issues like abortion, assisted suicide, etc should have nothing to do with the govt.
And the national ID card issue is pretty much on the fringe right now.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 03:41 PMCorrection - Lieberman is an "Independent Democrat" - and should be kicked out of the Dem party permanently. Disgusting boot-licker for this administration.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 03:45 PMIncome tax is paid by all first world democracies, so how is that a "privacy" issue?
How is it not just because there are a lot of countries that do it? It is a privacy issue in regard to keeping your financial records private, and the idea that you are owned by the government and must report to them all your activities.
Where is your documentation that wire tapping " had been happening by the government (D & R) since the technology was available...?"
Do a google search for clinton and wiretapping and you will see a host of evidence...if you want more, i will do some research and get back to you...
Democrats, in principle are for privacy rights and the constitution - who do you think made the most noise at bush's illegal wiretapping and intrusion into libraries & bookstores?
Individuals...
And the national ID card issue is pretty much on the fringe right now.
What do you mean by that? There was a National ID card/Database section in the recent Immigration bill, the REAL ID Act of 2005 is set to become law next year...
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.R.1268:
An act making Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes.
'Other Purposes' = National ID Card
Posted by Roy on July 18, 2007 03:56 PMI like Newt.
Posted by on July 18, 2007 03:58 PMReally, well if Clinton was wiretapping private individuals, then that's a conspiracy that I wasn't privy to.
What, you think Dems didn't raise a ruckus about privacy in congress? I suggest you look at the record.
And
"How is it not just because there are a lot of countries that do it? It is a privacy issue in regard to keeping your financial records private, and the idea that you are owned by the government and must report to them all your activities."
Quite frankly, pal, you're starting to sound like those militia nuts who claim that they don't have to pay taxes to the government. Maybe you should go and do some basic reading on civil society. Sounds like the ID card isn't the only thing on the fringe around here.
Oh, and watch out for those black helicopters.
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 04:03 PM"Actually Democrats for the most part believe that people's private lives should be private. "
Even when they are sworn under oath and are testifying before a grand jury....perjury can get get you impeached and disbarred. It should have also gotten him jail time.
Posted by hank on July 18, 2007 04:38 PMhank, I agree, Scooter should definitely have gone to jail. Good to have friends in high places, eh?
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 04:53 PMDrew: "Actually Democrats for the most part believe that people's private lives should be private. "
Then why do they want to mandate socialized medicine and be in the Drs office with me?
I consider that particular meeting extremely private.
Posted by KW on July 18, 2007 05:26 PM"mandate socialized medicine and be in the Drs office with me?'
KW - you've said some goofy stuff before, but this time you've really lost it!
Posted by drew on July 18, 2007 05:44 PMI strongly suspect that conservatism is a form of brain disfunction.
Right hemisphere paralysis of some sort, leading to inability to accept new ideas, and a tendency to repeat things and believe in ghosts.
It is wonderful to get a belly laugh now and then.
When I carefully followed this intense thread and then saw "Frew", from Gail, I just lost it.
Once that was posted, there was no undoing it.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 18, 2007 08:29 PMPooir KW. He's fine with the government being in the doctor's office with any women, it just doesn't apply to his ignorant ass.
Posted by on July 18, 2007 09:55 PMDrew,
re Newt - he's addressed his past. Since there are no charges he's currently facing, then I take the view that we can all move on now.
I believe at this point Newt's the country's best choice. He should probably run with Fred Thompson.
Posted by Gail K on July 19, 2007 08:32 AMDrew - Please explain how I've "lost it." I mean other than the fact that your post is meaningless drival.
If you force me to participate in universal health insurance then the government will be privy to all my medical history and decisions. Without my permission.
Screw that.
Posted by KW on July 19, 2007 09:24 AMKW, so if you get sick and we have a different health care program, may a capitosocial one,
STAY HOME.
FULL PARDON IS IN ORDER:
"Judge dismisses Valerie Plame's lawsuit accusing members of the Bush administration of leaking her identity... Developing.."
Throw Fitz in a 6X10 cell with Sandy Burgular, they deserve one another!
Posted by hank on July 19, 2007 01:26 PMHank said:
""Judge dismisses Valerie Plame's lawsuit accusing members of the Bush administration of leaking her identity... Developing.."
Talk about activist judges. Judge Bates is the same judge that dismissed the suit over Cheney’s energy task force meetings.
Posted by conservative media on July 19, 2007 02:16 PMBack at ya Sharon B.
But you see, I already have decent medical insurance.
I paid high premiums for many years while self employed. Also paid high premiums as a contract employee.
Now I work far a large company in real estate development that has a very affordable plan with BCBS.
Planning for ones future, especially as the hair turns gray, is critical to a comfortable retirement.
Posted by KW on July 19, 2007 03:05 PMKW, and if your insurance company refuses to cover you for something and good old socilcaptial med would, then you have to turn it down, right.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 21, 2007 10:25 PM