President Bush & Vice President Cheney
Why is nothing done about this? The GOP congress, in office during the larger part of the Bush administration had a policy of total hands off, in all situations and the Democratic congress now sitting, is not a lot better. They talk a lot but do very little to restore our freedoms or to put a stop to the Cheney underhanded
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John Ruckman asked:
"I would like to understand how the Bush administration — and especially Mr. Cheney are able to consistently flaunt our laws and precedent and do as they please. "
Because police-blotter rags like the Rocky put stories about Cheney's unprecedented power grabs on page 54.
while i sit here in one of the safest countries in the world-lamenting my loss of freedoms and how badly i have ben affected here is my list.hmm ok #1. ok #2. gee-i cannot think of any.
there are a great number of people blasting President Bush about the things he does and how it is bad-war on terror-last time i looked we have not had a big one go off since september 11th,poor mistreated folks at gitmo-gee i am real sorry for these people bleeding hearts should all get a couple to come live with them and show them compassion-bet you there would be a lot less bleeding hearts left in a year of course that would mean the terrorists would be running around the good old U.S.A.-this war is against inhuman animals folks-being the good guys will guarentee we lose.
please provide a list of the laws they have broken. it seems only the libs think they break a law.
Posted by [fish] on July 2, 2007 02:50 PMwhile i sit here in one of the safest countries in the world-lamenting my loss of freedoms and how badly i have ben affected here is my list.hmm ok #1. ok #2. gee-i cannot think of any.
there are a great number of people blasting President Bush about the things he does and how it is bad-war on terror-last time i looked we have not had a big one go off since september 11th,poor mistreated folks at gitmo-gee i am real sorry for these people bleeding hearts should all get a couple to come live with them and show them compassion-bet you there would be a lot less bleeding hearts left in a year of course that would mean the terrorists would be running around the good old U.S.A.-this war is against inhuman animals folks-being the good guys will guarentee we lose.
America is a land stripped of moral bearings thanks to Bush. Her treasury is exhausted and national debt is in many $trillions. Bush leaves office with a system of church-state entanglements on an epic scale as he pours $billions into Christian faith initiatives through forced compulsory taxation to underwrite religious activities created by executive fiat in which he says: “Congress wouldn’t do it so I did it,” and the beneficiaries begin speaking in tongues as the dollars poured in and they cast their vote for their largess from the federal treasury while on their knees giving thanks to the Jew in the sky coming from the “loins of David,” shouting: “Give us that ol’ government-funded social service.”
How can Bush abscond with such thievery of the national treasury? He appoints his ilk to the judiciary who stand to benefit from Bush’s generosity. Five Catholics on the Supreme Court with their hands out boil the hell out of some water and sprinkle it over Bush and before that, he had Congress (Senate and House) in his pocket. Just like Hitler achieved power, Bush followed in his footsteps with special thanks to evangelists and the 10,000 mutants springing from the cult of Christianity which by adding the ingredient of time and a football team became a religion.
America’s Founders articulated by James Madison, main architect of her Constitution in creating godless Organic Law to guide America, said that no government in a free society may “force a citizen to contribute 3 pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment” of religion. Bush, like Hitler, made into a tyrant by Christianity told the Founders to take a hike; however, he said it in vernacular not permitted in this forum.
Being compelled to support others’ faith was a wrong that the Founders understood. They were fully aware of religious wars and mass slaughter that came in the wake of the Reformation. Some had progenitors who were part of the migration from Europe escaping religious tyranny. Minority groups such as Quakers and Baptists chafed at state-collected religious taxes. Who gave Bush and Cheney the power to bushwhack America, you ask? The Christian Right: People like Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Christian fundamentalists as wicked as Islamic fundamentalists gave “Shrub” this Hitleristic power.
The dismantled wall between church and state will be just another one of Bush’s disastrous legacies. America is indebted to the Christian fanatics with their “from the loins of David” Jew transmogrified into an anti-Semitic Christian God, a monster promising a Holy Genocide: An extinction of humanity: So damn stupid and so deadly: America is a victim of a Right Wing conspiracy. Rejection of Christianity's anthropomorphic God, made in our image, silly and malicious, vain and puerile, irritable or tender, would wipe out Bush’s power base. Christianity is America’s Taliban and this ChristoBan gave Bush the power to shred America’s Charter granting it existence.
He is going to pardon Scooter. What a surprise.
I wish God really did exist so he could damn this man.
Posted by Sharon B. on July 2, 2007 04:02 PMFish - You need to be more specific. To most liberals, the rantings in this letter are a listing of the supposed crimes committed.
Problem is these same people never went to law school so, there you have it.
Posted by KW on July 2, 2007 04:18 PMBy commuting Libby's sentence, Bush just rang a death knell for the GOP.
I'm ok with Libby walking if it helps bring about the demise of the most despicable, anti-democratic, unlawful group of people since Hitler and the Nazis.
Walk free, Scooter...and anyone who continues to consider themselves or vote republican has no shame.
IMPEACH DENVER FEDERAL JUDGE ED NOTTINGHAM. Scooter scoots. Notty, former USAG John "Disco" Ashcroft, and Boy-George (surrender monkeys, communist siders, and draft-dodgers), sentenced Black Denver US Marshal Benny Bailey (26 years service) to 6 years in prison, simply because he had sex witha WHITE woman, and he lied about it. Scooter (draft-dodger) lied under oath too. Clinton lied about the same thing. The Bailey family was emotionally and financially rapedo. Hillary adn Chelsea got an $8 million book deal.
Posted by [jjtenant] "40acresandmymuleandvetbennies" on July 2, 2007 04:34 PMThomas - Were you this upset after Clinton pardoned hundreds before he left office?
Posted by KW on July 2, 2007 04:58 PMOh, uh - KW & the fish - what a formidable tag team! Sounds like an afternoon show on Faux News.
Posted by drew on July 2, 2007 05:22 PMAwww, yes, the bleating of the libs...Where was this anger when Sandy Burgler Stole items from the national archive and got a slap on the wrist? awwww yes, the bleating was silent....
Considering this Libby crap was a political stunt in the first place and there was no crime even commited, I am happy he commuted the sentence.
Posted by Dravur on July 2, 2007 06:56 PMThe current occupant of the White House (Dubya the Dolt) and his right hand crook (Jackel Cheney) have now paid off their debt to Scooter Libby. He took the fall, he did not roll on Cheney and, as I am sure he was promised, he will not spend any time in jail and his idiot supporters will donate the money to pay his fine. I am sure they will find a probation officer who will decide to never meet with him and he will be off that hook as well. So much for any respect for the law in this country. The mental midget and moral cretin who currently resides in the White House has made his contempt for law and order very plain.
Posted by Gayle Smith on July 2, 2007 07:12 PMGee, looks like John of Lakewood is foaming at the mouth, angered by the fact that it’s not a Democrat breaking the law again in the WH and getting a bj instead of taking care of terrorists. I wonder what would Hillary do in the oval office, invite Janet Reno over for a cocktail?
Posted by on July 2, 2007 09:07 PMForgot to sign ^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted by Uno on July 2, 2007 09:09 PMArtical 2, section 2 of the Constitution ..... no law was broken in the comuting of Scooters political witch hunt of a trial. Even though the truth has now come out and it was not Libby or even anyone in the White house who leaked the name of blame ..I mean Plame. It was i fact her hubby with his political adgenda that outed his wife a year before the crying began.
It is amazing how those on the left ( just because you are liberal does not mean you are an extremist, although many extremists have hijacked the phrase liberal). cry foul and forget the pardons for campaign contributions that good ol Bill Clinton held in the last days of his office.
Posted by on July 2, 2007 09:50 PMUno said with a lack of short term memory:
"Gee, looks like John of Lakewood is foaming at the mouth, angered by the fact that it’s not a Democrat breaking the law again in the WH and getting a bj instead of taking care of terrorists."
Who was President when 9-11 occurred?
Posted by Charles B on July 2, 2007 10:04 PMFor all, you missed the most important problem regarding Bush.
"I will decide who stays in MY government and who does not (not an exact quote)". With remarks made like this by a President, you should know now that he has his own agenda and it does not include what is good for the country or the people, just him and whatever interest groups are pulling the strings that day.
The candidates for the next Presidency....well I am very afraid of the road this country is going down. "We the People, By the People, and For the People" has become a historical thing of the past...shame isn't it?
Posted by [Pam] on July 3, 2007 06:27 AMOuting an undercover agent (which Valerie Plame had been - and could have continured to be until Cheney et all decided to get even with her husband for having the audacity to the the US public the truth) in a time of war - and according to Bush & Cheney, we are in a war - is TREASON. In other words, Mr. Cheney could be up for the death penalty.
In addition, the US has subscribed to the Geneva Conventions regarding prisoners of war almost since their inception - but now we have an administration which - despite input from a man (McCain) who was a victim of a country (VietNam) which did not subscribe to those conventions, and who can speak first hand to the fact that torture merely forces a prisoner to SAY ANYTHING TO MAKE THE TORTURE STOP - now advocates torture, both at Gitmo & at bases in allied countries which believe torture is a valid questioning method.
Do I understand that those who pervert Islam & want to shove their bastardized view of that religion down everyone's throats love bring the US down? Absolutely. Do you understand that those who pervert Christianity believe it is somehow their RIGHT to shove their religious beliefs down everyone's throats are no better?
As far as the current Congress not doing anything, please remember that the margin of Dems over Reps is so slim that nothing can be done to clean up this mess - especially when the administration believes they are above any laws & that (to quote W) the "Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper".
Posted by Mary on July 3, 2007 06:46 AMRichard Grimes Risen Ape r22037@yahoo: I was going to list your drummed up charges and imagimary statements, but
that includes EVERYTHING you said! Starting with "America is a land stripped of moral bearings...." Are you stripped of moral bearings? apparently, since you cannot speak without lying. I know few people "stripped of moral bearings" You must associate with some interesting people, don't turn your back.
Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
All this fuss and furor about clemency for the latest member of the White House Felons Club, the creme de la creme of the Republican Party. My, my.
There is one difference, of course. After being pardoned in advance, the unindicted criminal co-coconspirator, Nixon, abandoned ship - as we are told certain other entities do as well - and left his gang, the tried and convicted felons, to sink on their own.
Maybe Bush was trying to set a better example.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 3, 2007 08:39 AMbbbbuututtt.....bbbuuuuuttttt......bbbbbuuuuttt Clinton did it too!! Waaaaaaa!
Posted by Tbone on July 3, 2007 09:10 AMMary,
Fitzgerald learned early on in the investigation that Richard Armitage, a former State Department employee, revealed Plame's identity to the press. He learned that because Armitage told him what he had done.
Fitzgerald did not charge Armitage with anything and yet now you come calling for the execution of the Vice-president for what Arimtage did.
Doesn't that seem a bit extreme?
Posted by James Jones on July 3, 2007 09:40 AMChris Mathews on Today Show says 2 out of 5 Americans believe Iraq attacked America; I'll surmise they are Republicans. Chris Mathews says that by Bush favoring Scooter he will never be persuaded to tell the truth that will inciminate the White House. Scooter has to pay pocket change/no confinement. Richard Grimes
Deicide Corner:
Once we thought the earth was flat--
What of that?
It was just as globos then
Under believing men
As our later folks have found it,
By success in running round it;
What we think may guide our acts,
But it does not alter facts.
-- Charlotte Perkins
I'll surmise 2 out of 5 Republicans believe the earth is flat. RG
Old Grouch,
The better comparison to Nixon is Clinton.
Nixon had the inetgrity to admit his mistake and resign to save the country the shame and expense of a protracted legal battle required to hold his office.
Clinton used the full force of the federal government, including the Justice Department, to hide the truth, keep his lies alive and hold on to power.
All this even after the semen-stained dress made it's appearance.
Unlike Nixon, Clinton put his personal interests ahead of the Country's.
Clinton was impeached but the Republicans allowed him to stay in office as a political calculation - and it worked!
In the next election cycle the American people elected a Republican President, Senate and House for the first time in more than 40 years.
Posted by on July 3, 2007 09:51 AMIs there any reason why Fitzgerald doesn't just haul Libby in for questioning again?
If the man lies again or obstructs justice again, simply charge him again and repeat the process until they can drill p[ast him and get to the orebody.
Somebody leaked classified info on the identity of a CIA operative, and that deserves some scrutiny.
Posted by Bango Skank on July 3, 2007 10:07 AMOld Grouch,
That was me at 9.51 am
Posted by James Jones on July 3, 2007 10:30 AMAnonymous July 3, 2007 09:51 AM
And that Republican president and congress have done more than any other American government in history to destroy our international reputation and make a mockery of our democratic process and constitution. That same congress paid the piper in 06 as they were exposed as the stooges they are. Furthermore, like most RepubliCON gasbags on this forum, you seem to think pointing to Clinton's mishaps (Clinton was a punk and I'm not at all defending him) will somehow turn people's attention from this administration far more serious skullduggery.
Posted by Beavis on July 3, 2007 10:35 AM9:51 - Bush is doing the same thing that Clinton (supposedly) did. Only difference, when Clinton did it, it was about an extramarital affair. What bush did (and is doing) is far worse - commiting treason, illegal wiretaps, suspension of habeus corpus, among others.
Bush and cheney are putting their personal interests ahead of the country. Why is it that you're not complaining about what bush is doing, but have the gall to say that Nixon was OK, and Clinton is the devil incarnate?
Posted by Tbone on July 3, 2007 10:38 AMBango Skank,
Fitzgerald discovered early on in his investigation that Richard Armitage revealed Plame's indentity in interviews with Bob Woodward and Bob Novak. Woodward and Novak have confirmed the truth.
So you see there is no need for futher scrutiny: the mystery is solved - Richard Armitage did it!
Under Find Law you will find the following:
Ex-CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and former Amabassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV file an amended complaint in their civil lawsuit seeking damages for blowing Plame's cover and violating their privacy and constitutional rights. Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is named as a new defendant, but in his individual capacity only
So as the civil case works forward - Armitage walks the streets a free man this very day. Why do you suppose there is no outrage over that fact?
This conspiracy must go deeper then anyone suspects.
Posted by James Jones on July 3, 2007 10:42 AMTbone,
I don't know where I get "the gall to say that Nixon was OK, and Clinton is the devil incarnate?"
Of course I haven't said that so I haven't looked too hard. I really can't be expected to explain every false attribution you choose to make.
As for the rest, the crimes you charge Bush with are monumental and unsubsantiated.
I suspect the Congress would act if there was any justification.
Perhaps you're just being hysterical.
Posted by James Jones on July 3, 2007 10:51 AMThis administration is like a sleazy crime syndicate - the "sopranos" based in DC & not Jersey. Instead of "garbage' they make their money off war. Rove, Halliburton people, Libby, Gonzales are all the "capos."
The Saudis are the external branch of the syndicate. Cheney & others run things because the empty figurehead at the top is only good for cutting brush and assassinating language.
Posted by drew on July 3, 2007 11:35 AMThis all started when Ford pardoned Nixon. Then daddy Bush pardoned all his corrupt little musketeers. Now we are left with no accountability at all in the highest offices of our government. The President now officially operates outside the bounds of law. I wish it were the case for the rest of us little people.
Posted by Charles B on July 3, 2007 11:47 AMJonesy,
Everyone reading the posting knew it was you, already. After all, everyone recognizes by now the same old same old crap load of fantastic and fabulous imagination, without a single fact to base it on; coupled with the oh, sooooo soulful apologetics of minimization - as applied to the multiple crimes and felonies committed by Nixon - and the accompanying moralistic and pietistic sermonizations concerning Clinon's inability to keep his zipper up. Just about standard performance for you, Jonesy.
While you offer a very poor imitation of Lewis Carrol's works, it is too bad you have neither the wit, and style - nor the necessary intellectual grasp of reality and facts when dealing with satirical contrast - by which to tell your tale of life in your own little Wonderland - or as seen through your personal warped fun-house Looking Glass - as Lewis Carrol did.
But do keep on keeping on. Sometimes even a slightly amused smile is as beneficial as a good belly laugh. And nobody really needs to feel obligated to take you seriously anyway.
Posted by Old Grouch on July 3, 2007 12:37 PMCharles unwittingly stated:
"This all started when Ford pardoned Nixon. Then daddy Bush pardoned all his corrupt little musketeers. Now we are left with no accountability at all in the highest offices of our government."
You ought to try and keep up with the news CB. Or get some help for your apparent selctive memory.
Here's a list of Clinton Pardons. I tried posting all of them here but due to the enormous size of the list it is being held up for review.
Would like to see a list of Clinton's commuted sentences?
I'd suspect you wouldn't because you prefer to pretend Bush is the boogieman.
Ignorance is bliss.
Posted by KW on July 3, 2007 01:51 PMKW,
All presidents issue pardons - Clinton included. The difference here is that Clinton never delivered a pardon for someone in his own inner circle - you know, like his own vice-president's Chief of Staff.
Old Scooter gets rewarded for not spilling the beans on the big fish that should've been hooked. The bald-faced sleaze that comes out of this bunch of crooks & liars never ceases to amaze me. What a shame for our country.
Posted by drew on July 3, 2007 03:02 PMI misspoke above - "commuted sentence" not "pardon."
Posted by drew on July 3, 2007 03:04 PMWe can all agree that if Bush was guilty of any crimes, he would be charged. After all, the government has a 100% track record for catching criminals.
Didn't Al Capone get busted for tax evasion? I'm sure the Republicans in here are convinced that he never once killed a guy. After all, I'm sure somebody would have done something about it if he did.
Posted by Grog on July 3, 2007 04:45 PMdrew - Did Clinton ever deliver a pardon to someone who gave an extremely large donotion to his works? On multiple occaisions?
Or to a congressman convicted on 12 counts of actually having sex with an underage page (as opposed to texting)?
Oh wait, that dem congressman had already served his whopping 5 year sentence for the felony sex and was doing even more time for other felonies he later commited.
I'm sorry, what was your point again? As if the inner circle you mention has any relevence to your statement???
It's amazing how you can defend Mr Bill and condemn Bush in the same sentence for very similar actions.
Posted by KW on July 3, 2007 07:31 PMKW,
"It's amazing how you can defend Mr Bill and condemn Bush in the same sentence for very similar actions."
So you are condemning Bush's commutation of Libby's sentence? Or do you think what Clinton did was ok?
KW you're painting yourself into corners again...
Posted by Charles B on July 3, 2007 09:08 PMDrew,
Having read the posts in this thread, do you still think that Cheney revealed Plame's identity and Libby lied to give him cover?
Posted by James Jones on July 4, 2007 06:24 AMCB - No, your completely wrong again, as usual.
The pardoning and commuting of sentences is within the power of the President. Clinton and Bush are no exception.
The point you missed, again, is that you make yourself look like a clown when you condemn Bush for Libby's commute and make statements aluding that Clinton didn't pardon anyone. Your post at 11:47 did just that.
You all wail that Libby was "guilty of a crime and should be punished" so I ask you one question...
How many of the 300+ pardons that Clinton handed to felons shouldn't have happened because they were "guilty of a crime and should be punished?"
Selective anger is what ails you CB.
Posted by KW on July 4, 2007 08:34 AMKW claimed eroneously:
"The point you missed, again, is that you make yourself look like a clown when you condemn Bush for Libby's commute and make statements aluding that Clinton didn't pardon anyone. Your post at 11:47 did just that."
Here is my post from 11:47:
"This all started when Ford pardoned Nixon. Then daddy Bush pardoned all his corrupt little musketeers. Now we are left with no accountability at all in the highest offices of our government. The President now officially operates outside the bounds of law. I wish it were the case for the rest of us little people."
You're just wrong as usual.
So was Bush wrong to commute Libby's sentence? Was Clinton right to pardon who he did?
Posted by Charles B on July 4, 2007 08:41 PMTypical Charles B. You ignore my one question and respond with two questions of your own.
And no matter how many times I reread your 11:47 post, I can't seem to find any mention or outrage about Clintons pardons.
Thanks for helping me make my point. Again.
Posted by KW on July 5, 2007 10:21 AMBecause it is so obvious,they have not broken ant laws and followed the constitution to the tee.Those people who make these false accusations are also liars.Plus there is only one law writtened in the constitution,treason,which has performed by many democrats in congress right now.
Posted by bart on July 6, 2007 09:54 AM