‘We all deserve equality’
After I read the Rocky Mountain News editorial on Jonathan, I was excited that he will be able to realize his dream of going to college (“The missing option in Colorado,” July 20).
But at the same time, I felt disappointed because there are many more students who need help.
I will be one of those students.
I am studying really hard so I can have the opportunity to go to college and to have a better job, because with the money from a better job I can help my family survive.
I am a high school student in Denver and in three years I will be graduating. I would like to have the support.
My parents are also immigrants, and they cannot afford to pay approximately $34,000 a year for out-of-state tuition at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
I have five brothers and sisters, and we all would like to go to college. By denying us the education that we deserve because we do not have documentation, the government is making sure we stay poor.
This is an injustice. We all deserve equality.
Paola Perez, Denver
Well Paola, I am glad you are studying, but if you are unable to earn a sholarship, too bad. Why should you get a free education just because your parents dont have proper paperwork? If they are illegal, they caused your hardship, not the American people. Too many Americans and LKEGAL immigrants also work hard trying to get a good education, but funds that would ehlp those who OBEY the law are spent paying for your poarents mistakes. Im sorry if I dont have sympothy, but I would rather help someone who has obeyed all immigration laws than someone who hasnt. And I dont care where they came from
Posted by Nick on July 31, 2007 12:34 AMSee Again...
You people..injustice..and equality..Those words.. Deserve? The American Citizen..deserves.
Unless or until ALL students qualify for in-state tuition, only legal residents should receive it.
Paola can feel free to go to New Mexico which has opened that up to all students by granting in-state tuition to illegals, since federal law says that if illegals qualify for in-state tuition,, the state must offer in-state tuition to ALL students. Of course, there is always the option of returning to the country that Paola's parents emigrated from - perhaps that country will offer Paola & her siblings in-state tuition.
Posted by Mary on July 31, 2007 02:48 AMWell Paola,
If you want justice and equality then I suggest you earn it. You garner no special privledges or status in this country.
If you believe you should have the opportunity to attend college then join the military when you graduate. They will offer you the GI Bill and you will also have an opportunity to understand what citizenship is all about. "Not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".
You DESERVE nohing more than what you have earned.
please send us your address so ICE can come over to offer you the assistance you deserve from the people who are here legally.
I believe its called a one way ticket back to where you came from.
I dont care if you are green blue yellow with dots, if you are here illigally then get out and stop asking me to support you and your whole family.
FYI they have a very good college in Mecixo City and they even teach all of the classes in your language, so getting good grades will be easier for you. take your family with you while at the university down there and with your education you can support them in that wonderful city.
Ok, we will pay for you to go to college and take ethnic studies classes and learn to hate white people. Then you can become an activist and tear down the evil American empire.
What a deal! Where do I mail the check?
Posted by truthy on July 31, 2007 05:47 AMAMAZING, I worked real hard too building my construction business up. But illegal invadors drove my wages so low I can hardly get by. I want Colorado to help me pay my bills. THIS IS INJUSTICE, WE ALL DESERVE EQUALITY.
Posted by FW on July 31, 2007 06:08 AM"By denying us the education that we deserve because we do not have documentation, the government is making sure we stay poor.
This is an injustice. We all deserve equality."
Deserve? Denying? No documentation? Lesson number #1 is free, keep the $34,000 (but I think the local community college might be a little less):
In America, we earn what we deserve. And you apparently haven't earned anything. So that's what you are going to get. Zilch.
You illegals are like invading, mindless cockroaches. You have no rights. Go back from where you came and get what you deserve there. Or has your own country already denied you that right?
Dear poor Paola, my forefathers were illegal immigrants too (slaves). They were forced into this country for their "free" labor, and they were rewarded by being stripped of their native language, religion, customs, and our women-folk were raped and bred like cattle, due to plantation masters' pusuits of Herculean slaves. These plantation masters gave their slaves "cocaine", so their slaves could work for longer periods of time and their muscles wouldn't ache. Today, criminal illegal Mexicans are giving blacks "cocaine".
When I was a kid in NC/SC, I saw my loved ones and friends, die at the entrances of hospital rooms, because they were denied medical care because they were poor and black. LAWDY! Today I am paying the hospital bill of criminal illegal Mexicans. Insult to injury, Gov. Richardson (UNM) is allowing criminal illegal Mexicans to attend various state colleges. Again, when I was a kid, these schools refused me entry, however, my tax dollars were used to fund their operations. Gonzo, Chao, and Spelling should bust Richardson for federal funds fraud, waste, and abuse. Secy. Chao is the only federal official who can legally contract with "foreign-nationals".
I do respect you for not using the "T"-word. Terrorized. Welcome to blacks' America, we've been terrorized for the past 400 years.
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies on July 31, 2007 07:30 AMWe don't all deserve equality. That's a French goal. We all deserve something much better than that.
We all deserve, and Americans have, equal opportunity. We will be better off when we realize that and make the most of our freedoms.
Posted by James Jones on July 31, 2007 07:33 AMPaola, going to college involves going through a lot of different channels and filling out the necessary paper work and forms and waiting in lots of lines. Do you expect to cut every line that you find yourself in or disobey any rule that you feel is inconvenient to you if you go to college on the back of American cititzens? Yet you speak of "equality". Do you think American citizens and immigrants (not illegal aliens) are being the given the courtesy of equality by you?
Now, why on earth did your parents have so many children if they do not have the means to support them or put them through college? Please go back to your country of origin and get your college education there, then stay and make it a better place.
welcome to america. you are here in violation of the law. your parents should be punished for breaking the law. yet you want a free ride or subsidized education?
get real, i speed, i pay a fine, your parents come over illegally and should be punished as well. they are 'undocumented' with 6 children and you expect the government to pay everything, maybe you're not really paying attention in school like you say you are.
if i had to work and follow the rules to go to college, so should you. you are owed nothing. you deserve nothing, and you are here illegally. what more is there to say.
Posted by ktr on July 31, 2007 08:09 AMWhen I read this letter I about barfed.
It shows the ignorance and ARROGANCE of the illegal mindset. Illegals are being told by pro-illegal groups, La Raza, ACLU,etc, that they can break the laws of this country and be rewarded with free health care, free educations, free housing, free food, and the American people can do nothing about it.
In Hazelton PA. A liberal judge (Democrat appointed by the Clinton administration) and the ACLU just blocked the towns strict immigration laws from instituting a ban on hiring illegals, renting to illegals, denying illegals business licenses, etc.
In other words the Judge DENIED the American people their constitutional rights in Hazelton PA. and sided with the Mexican illegals.
The judge even scolded the mayor of Hazelton PA and asked him if he had consulted and asked permission from the president of Mexico, Phillipe Caulderon, if the plans to eliminate illegals from this town would be granted!!! I saw this on CNN the other night and it made me madder than hell!!
( shaking head in disbelief!)
These liberal judges have got to GO!!!
What's up with the Democrats??The majority of them voted FOR amnesty!!! Do they just hate the American people or what??
I know who I am NOT voting for!! I guess I will vote for the candidate who has the strongest voice against illegals!
Bush and his cohorts have turned a blind eye and have become deaf to the American peoples pleas for border security, workplace inforcement, and deportation of these dishonorable border-crossers.
Our so-called leaders, Dems and Rubs, plus, greedy business, and special interest groups have gotten us into this situation and refuse to kick these people out and back to their countries of origin.
Paola Perez, your dishonorable parents brought you here. You and your other siblings do NOT belong here! Your parents came as thieves in the night and have stolen jobs from American citizens.
You and your family deserve absolutly nothing from the U.S.!!!!
Go home and let your country pay for your education. It is a grave injustice that you are DEMANDING that the American people to give you hand outs in the form of an education or anything else!!!
If they can't afford to send you to college,then why don't you get a job and go to a community college and pay your own way like alot of American citizens do everyday?
Even American citizens have to pay to go to college. You insult those who work hard and go to college,by expecting the tax payers to pay for you and SURPRISE!SURPRISE! 5 brothers and sisters.
Your parents chose to have 6 children and now expect the American tax payer to pay for them to go to college.
Since you really seem to want to go to college come out of the entitlement zone into the real world and work and pay for your own college. I hear there is plenty of work available now that some of the illegals are getting the message we don't want them here.
If you parents are illegal. You are only a citizen by a small technicality.However citizens do not reconize you as a citizen.
Get over youself and work your way through college and advise your parents to stop having children they can't afford.
Real World time Paola. Is that pronounced Pay-ola?
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on July 31, 2007 08:33 AMPaola: While I admire your goal to get ahead in life through hard work I fail to see where you should be put in line ahead of other people in this country because your parents broke the law. In state tuition rates are for the legal residents of this state. Due to your parents disregard for the law you do not fit into this category.
However, if you really want a college education and to rid yourself of the handicap of being classified as an illegal alien, consider concentrating on all of the high tech education you can get in high school. Join the military after high school -- with a high tech background you can look for a non combat position .
That four year commitment will earn you the GI Bill to pay for college; and, American citizenship to use for the rest of your life.
Your parents broke the law. You shouldn't expect to be rewarded for their action. But, you do have the opportunity to set yourself straight with the same laws and pursue your dreams of a higher education. The question boils down to: How bad do you want it?
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 08:46 AMPaola - My wife is an Asian national. We are going through the process of getting her here legally. We still have at least four months to go before the INS service center even reads our papers. They are right now processing applications received in January.
Being without her is by far the hardest thing I have ever had to go through. We talk, email or chat online daily, but due to the time zones, it is difficult to communicate sometimes.
We are putting ourselves through this because we respect the laws of the US. Try it sometime, rather than complaining that you are not getting the free handouts that Laraza tells you to demand. You do not "deserve" a free education. If your parents could not afford to provide for five kids, perhaps they should have not had five kids.
Posted by Philip on July 31, 2007 08:55 AMFive brothers and sisters? Why do you people keep having children ? Then you expect the American Citizen to foot the bill for your education? You all shouldn't even be here..in the first place. This is for the American children. Hope you can understand that.
Posted by on July 31, 2007 09:30 AMAnon 09:30AM
You ask why 5 kids? Most (I'm sure not all) Mexicans are Roman Catholic and the Church prohibits birth control and encourages large families (larger Church membership). Paola's parents probably chose to obey Catholic law while ignoring American law. It's easy to have a lot of kids when somebody else is paying for delivery, ongoing medical care and the education of those kids.
Hey, even though they broke the law coming into the country, and as such are driving on the streets illegally without license and insurance, they did follow Catholic law!
Posted by on July 31, 2007 09:46 AMHey paola, GET THE F out of my country!
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 09:48 AMNice intelligent reply to a 9th grader, Fresh. I'm sure that response will wake him and his family - along with all of the other illegals in town -- up to the fact that it's racist bigots who don't want them here (implying everybody else does).
Do you kick dogs and burn cats also?
Posted by on July 31, 2007 09:59 AMactually, i'm a mexican, however I am a citizen of the country along with my family for generations.
and NO i have no real hope that any of them will wake up, and go home. Infact i think it is entirely possible that we are going to give them amnesty, free benefits( of any kind ) , college tuition, medical care etc etc
why , because we as a people are too damn dumb and sheepish to do a damn thing about it!
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 10:14 AM9:59 while freshe's comment may have been base and profaine, it is not without merit. Many people are tired of illegals finding themselves above the laws of our country. Then they want to use our laws for even more privilidge. As a nation the silent majority is getting fed up with the very verbal minority claiming rights they are not entitled to. If they want the rights earned by our forefathers, then they need to return to their country of origin and petition to come here legally.
Posted by mickey on July 31, 2007 10:20 AMFresh:
I sure hope that you are wrong in regard to the granting of amnesty! The illegals have crushed the wage base and job opportunities for the working class in this country. Once the crap nailed the lower social economic working class it became an anchor weighing down the entire middle class above.
The politicians can talk all they want about how real wages have increased at almost record pace and levels over the last couple of years. But, the real question is, where would they be if wages were not artificially suppressed by political acceptance (responding to special interests) of cheap illegal labor.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 10:24 AMI hope I am wrong too, but i seriously doubt it.
our leaders are terrible and there is no other way to say it. MAYBE something will change and a REAL leader with the interests of the majority will take office, the senate, house. in the next few years. I think that is just wishful thinking though.
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 10:32 AMI agree that Paola is asking for too much.
But what is pathetic are the vicious comments the various sewer rats feel it necessary to direct at a high school sophomore who is concerned about her future. America might be better off not financing a college education for people like Paola. But it definitely would be much better off if there were some way to humanize the embittered sleazeballs whose egos are so sick that they use this girl to try to strengthen them. Who would you rather live next door to, Fresh or Paola?
Posted by Truth on July 31, 2007 10:39 AMat least all my house is paid for , and I EARNED everything i have!
oh yeah, i dont ever ask for handouts either!
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 10:45 AMPaola is hammered so intensely I feel the urge to defend; however, for every ten who apply to law school only one is accepted; therefore, Paola need not panic: Go into one of the trades since it appears that presence here has Americanized (her) or buy into a franchise and if like McDonalds you will make more money than graduate school can create. Find in my comment embedded innuendo since (she) has been demonized enough.
Deicide Corner: I petition baby Jesus to call Chief Justice Roberts home for his terrorist activity of blowing a hole so big in the Wall that separates America's Siamese twins, Church and State, half the wall meets the fate of the twin towers in NYC. (As you know, Jesus struck him with a second seizure.)
Posted by Richard Grimes r22037@yahoo.com, Deicide ffrf.org. (http://www.geocities.com/r22037/think.html on July 31, 2007 10:46 AMPaola,
Maybe you should petition the Mexican Government for tuition assistance and the Catholic Church as well.
Paola you are not equal,you are illegal.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on July 31, 2007 12:03 PMCmon, 2 of these posts from school age kids demanding secondary education. Saying basically the very same thing in both posts. This is a damn front and using kids to try and get their views across. They used kids in the hopes that people would not confront them in a negative manner. Or is this a cool project for school? Either way, it does not seem to be above board here.
Posted by bwr on July 31, 2007 12:06 PM9:46 am..
Shouldn't Mexicans obey the laws of the land, asgood Catholics?
Being they're Catholics..how does that help America by them obeying THE CATHOLIC LAW and having lots of children..?
That's their ploy..have anchor babies..go get food stamps every year ..while dad works roofing or construction..and Americans pay for that and education for the kids.
Go back home have all the chilren in your own country..be Catholics there..have Pres. Calderon support his own people.
Fresh is fresh.. so is -A-
Posted by on July 31, 2007 12:18 PMbwr: Astute observation! I was wondering if there might not be an organized agenda in the background. I think I'll scoot over to the Denver Post (shudder) and see if there's any letters of a similar nature.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 12:41 PMWhile bwr's comment is well taken, it fails to notice that the disparaging comments were directed at a high school sophomore and not at any adults. So it's OK to belittle high school children if you think adults are behind what they do? Or should any derision be directed at adults? This was a valuable opportunity to provide this high school sophomore with some mature advise, Some posters did that. Others chose a lower road, one that ran through the mud. There was nothing evenly remotely mature about the attacks.
Posted by Truth on July 31, 2007 01:21 PMA minor quibble with 40 Acres: the law has always assumed the legality of Black Americans' presence in the USA and its predecessor jurisdictions.The legality of the (mis)treatment of Black Americans was the point at issue,and THAT controversy has been ongoing for some sixteen generations.
I'm certain that had the illegal Mexican immigrants actually been treated like Black Americans,the stampede across the border would never have happened.
Truth: I whole heartily agree with you in regard to the personal attacks and name calling. Such actions demonstrate on which side of the argument the immaturity falls.
These girls have enough to overcome due to their parent's decision to break the law. Calling them names is not constructive. There are ways for them to follow their dreams, but it's going to require extra work on their part to overcome the illegal alien status that is currently in their paths.
Name calling and other such immaturity only plays into the hands of the pro-illegal immigrant lobby by allowing them to claim that those against an amnesty consists mainly of bigots and racists; allowing them to skirt over legitimate arguments against amnesty.
Personally, I fail to see how calling a teenage girl names, or taunting them can make a supposedly grown adult feel better about themselves. But, that's just me.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 01:33 PMGee, who to believe?
"Paola you are not equal,you are illegal.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on July 31, 2007 12:03 PM"
The Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"
So a high school sophomore wandered onto a forum used by adults, and some of our overly sensitive posters want to give her a pass? Not likely,Skippy.
I do recall some of said overly sensitive posters writing ad hominem attacks-ad nauseum-when someone disagreed.The most recent one was at 1:21 today.I'm particularly honored whenever that poster flames me.Those are the times when I KNOW I'm right.
Please try to remember you are responding to a child. He has been accosted with derision and personal attacks by many of the posters. Regardless of where you stand on the immigration issue, it is not fair to blame him for the misdeeds of his parents. He did not make the choice to immigrate illegally, his parents did. It is unclear from his letter whether he was brought over (also illegally) by his parents, or if he was born here and therefore is a citizen himself. Either way, would you use the same words to a child you encountered face to face? Yes he is in a forum that I believe was intended for (though not restricted to) adults. However, I encounter children in many public spaces and never feel the need to attack them or blame them for the choices of their parents (he had no control over those choices). When parents chose to have a meth lab (also an illegal activity) and it is discovered, I have never seen people attack their children. This kid entered this forum and discussion on the topic is fine and relevant, as are the constructive solutions that some have posited. But I find it hard to believe a decent ethical person has reason to spit venom at children (and it would be great to see more decency in the way adults treat each other as well on these boards).
Posted by Keri on July 31, 2007 02:45 PMPayola, you are not a citizen of this country. Thus, you do not deserve in-state tuition. And if you feel you deserve an education, why don't you ask the government of the country you are a citizen of, for help? We taxpayers don't owe you one thin dime. By the way, who paid the hospital bills for 6 kids? Your parents, or us taxpayers?
Posted by RP McDaniel on July 31, 2007 02:58 PMHandled with true honesty and eloquence (as far as allowed when chastising "adults"), Keri. Thank you for voicing reason and maturity.
Posted by Trinity on July 31, 2007 03:03 PMKeri and Trinity are right, it is not Paulas fault that his parents decided to become criminals living in the US, (Illegal means a criminal act therefor a criminal) It is unfortunate that he has to face the actions and responsabilities for these criminal acts when the parents decide to ignore them. However, the people of the United States own nothing to the family or anyone that are in the United States illegally. If anything, they owe the United States and her citizens compensation for any and all befinits they recieved through illegal means.
Posted by Nick on July 31, 2007 03:09 PMKeri,
These families don't understand the meaning of 'illegal'..they really believe..
as soon as they hit Americas soil ...they 'Deserve"..everything like "if" they are "Americans"...I know these posts are harsh...but they need to know that America dos'nt 'owe' them anything...because they 'really..really' believe..it dosn't matter if they're illegal...they deserve justice, equallity,etc.
Just because they made America their home.
The parents didn't tell them..so I feel sorry for them if it's a rude awakening for them, to read how Americans feel about their country.
04:05
There is a big difference between arguing about what treatment/ rights illegal immigrants do or do not deserve and saying things like “Get the F out of my country”. There is a distinction between discussing a relevant topic and just being hateful. I did not enter into the debate about immigration. I just feel there is no excuse for being intentionally mean to a child. Some posters presented there opinions respectfully, some provided suggestions like joining the military in order to gain citizenship
(if necessary) and college tuition. I have no problems with those responses. It is however, inexcusable to blame the child for his parents choices (though he will have to deal with the consequences of those choices), to use racially loaded terms like “you people”, or be outright vile. Of course people are free to voice whatever opinions they want, but that is no reason not to advocate for people to behave decently.
By the way, wanting to have immigration laws enforced and curbing illegal immigration is a reasonable position in this debate. But I don’t see how hating a particular country as implied in your last sentence is relevant to the discussion. Taking the position that illegal immigration is a serious crime/imposition on our country is one thing, provided that sentiment applies equally to all illegal immigrants regardless of the country of origin. And by that same token, legal immigrants should not be met with derision regardless of their country of origin. If a single country or group is singled out, then you have just crossed the line from taking a conservative (I mean literally, not as a political label) position, to being racist. The distinction is important.
Hey 12:18 p.m. I tell it like it is! If you don't like it, tough!!!
I am almost convinced that this letter is a fake and was sent to enrage, race bait, and garner sympathy for illegals.
The mean ole posters here are just picking on a poor 9th grade illegal kid.......hmmmmm!
With the very negative feedback from Americans concerning illegals now days, the author of this letter (probably inspired, maybe written, by La Raza) should have expected hostility!
I think we all have been duped!!
Posted by A on July 31, 2007 05:13 PMKeri,
first of all, you need to understand that My feelings on the matter are very strong, and this " Child" has the audacity to demand a handout on top of what they have already been given ? please give me a BREAK. illegals deserve NOTHING from any of us, and they need to make the choise to LEAVE this country willingly. if this "CHILD " is under age then the second they turn 18 they need to make the choice to go back to where they came from or they should be rounded up and charged with breaking our laws , premeditated. ( since they all KNOW that being here is illegal ) and made the CHOICE to be here after they become of age.
it sickens me to see how pathetic we as a people have become, we are ready to just HAND over everything to these law breaking slime bags. I for one am not going to stand idly by and let it happen. I suggest anyone who does should foot the bill for all the crap they demand themselves!
Posted by Fresh on July 31, 2007 05:24 PMJimminy: "So a high school sophomore wandered onto a forum used by adults, and some of our overly sensitive posters want to give her a pass?"
Not all of the posters here are adults. For example, there are you and Fresh.
Posted by Truth on July 31, 2007 06:58 PMKeri, or is it "KIM" :)
I never said Get the 'F' out of my country.
I said ..as soon as they hit American soil they believe 'they deserve' everything...like "IF"
they were Americans...I don't use the "F" word! Do yoy 'know' it's a 'child'? No you don't.
You can be easily duped!
I meant ..they should now how we feel about our country...not theirs..Their country is beautiful...if only their president would let them enjoy it.
Like I said...Ad hominem,ad nauseum.
Posted by Jimminy on August 1, 2007 12:42 AMProbably worth pointing out that this thread is only one of a host of indications that we've got a big problem,and we're angry at the flippant disregard shown the law of the land by those who make and administer said law,who all the while are telling the rest of us to shut up and obey the law.We say to government:Fix this now and fix this right-or we will.Then we'll see to the folks who were tasked with the fixing and didn't do it.
Posted by Jimminy on August 1, 2007 01:19 AMWOW !!!!!!!!! What vile you all spew..Its no longer anti -illegal aliens, it's down right anti-hispanic....You have such hate in your hearts it is very hard for me to undrestand your opinions..One thing I do know is that God see's what your true agenda is............He knows your heart people,there is no hiding it..Get your own house in order before you meet your maker.....
Posted by ray on August 1, 2007 02:13 AMSpewing vile is really hard! Even harder than spewing bile! But hey! I am spewing the vile Americans aren't doing.
Posted by truthy on August 1, 2007 07:36 AMRay: Are you suggesting that it's time to start building an ark?
I think the reason this veered into the realm of "anti-hispanic" (which is unfortunate) is because people relate to their environment around them. To pun my opening sentence, if you look around you see a "brown wave" of Hispanics engulfing us and demanding "their rights". As a result Hispanics become the focus of the illegal immigration problem even though there are plenty of entrants from other regions.
Posted by on August 1, 2007 08:30 AMI am an American citizen. My family came her legally generations ago. I did not receive any public assistance to go to college. I had to pay for it myself working several jobs. I did not think anyone owed me an education, nor did I think that I should take the place of a legal state resident for lower tuition. If I were to break a law I would not expect to be rewarded. People say that this child should not be penalized for her parents actions, but do the children of common criminals receive education assistance because their parent broke the law. I doubt it. Break a law face the consequences. Your parents broke the law, you can fix it. Go back to your country of origin and go to college there.
Posted by Mickey on August 1, 2007 09:40 AM7:28PM
I don’t read every set of comments for every editorial so I am afraid I don’t get your reference “KIM”? But, I did not mean to imply that you said “Get the F out of my country” that was Fresh. I was using that example to clarify the difference between reasonable discussion and name calling.
I do not know for certain that this was written by a child. But because none of us can know if any of the demographic data given or gleaned from these boards is accurate, I am choosing to operate conservatively and assume that is was written by a child. Though as I mentioned before, I would do not approve of berating adults either, it is just a bigger issue to berate a child. I feel strongly that one can disagree with, disapprove of, or hold a personal accountable for their actions and still treat them civilly.
I am sorry that I misunderstood your initial post and I appreciate the clarification (about the reference to their country). Though in any case you are overstepping a little bit by claiming (implicitly) that you speak for how the whole of our country feels. There are many who feel as you do, but there are many who feel very differently this is a complicated issue subject to much debate and I am certain there is not at this point an overwhelming consensus of opinion.
Mickey - totally agree and couldn't have said it better. Why should the letter writer get anything - he is an illegal alien, and if he wants to blame anyone for the situation he is in, he should confront his parents. They put him here - they should take him home and get his education from his own country. Sound harsh? Too bad - I'm sick of this country bending over backward for the illegal alien, while what once was a wonderful country to live in is turning into a third world country and our health care system is going in the toilet. STOP THE FREEBIES AND SEND THEM BACK TO MEXICO.
Posted by mi on August 1, 2007 08:24 PMA ... 5:13
That was a compliment for you and fresh.
12:18
fresh: "first of all, you need to understand that My feelings on the matter are very strong".
It isn't a matter of the strength of one's opinion. It has to do with the quality of one's character. There are many people who feel very strongly about the illegal immigration issue, indeed about any number of current issues. But because of the quality of their character, it would not even occur to the overwhelming majority to use the kind of language that fresh uses.
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 09:31 AMRay, Question
Which one of the posts offended you?
Posted by on August 2, 2007 10:31 AMTruth,you assert correctly that "Fresh's" opinion is stated in an angry,rough-and-ready,perhaps ungrammatical fashion.It's a bit of a stretch,though,to equate ungrammatical writing with lack of character,or to assume that ungrammatical expression somehow vitiates the validity of an opinion.
The well-educated almost always assume that a societal problem can be dealt with through cool,reasoned debate,or perhaps slickly crafted one-liner sound bites,or at worst,peaceful demonstration.That may be rather an ill-advised assumption to make relative to the immigration issue. I have said before that government has utterly failed in their duty to protect us(us as in "We The People") from the invasion of scofflaw foreigners,and indeed has joined them in saying very clearly that all law is equal,but some laws are more equal than others.
There are a whole lot of Americans who have just plain had it with this abuse of trust,and we're beginning to worry that those tasked with defending us "from all enemies,foreign and domestic" are incompetent to do that job.If WE have to step in and do it for them,the consequences will change the definition of "rough and ready" to the point that "Fresh" will be the Norman Vincent Peale of the new century.