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California dreamin’
Wednesday, August 22 at 12:01 AM

I read with disdain the Aug. 15 Rocky Mountain News story “Colo. studies Calif.’s tough energy rules” (Business).
I have a solution: Compel everyone who wishes to emulate California to move there. And while they are at it, they can take the California-inspired smoking ban with them! Thank God Colorado is not California ... yet!

John M. Berger, Lakewood


READER COMMENTS

John,

Agreed. I'll help them pack. Additionally:
Before implementing California "green" solutions it might be a good idea to see how much such solutions cost the public because of increases in the area of goods transport. I drove a truck for 10 years and California is/was on the list of states for surcharges and double freight rates. A large number of drivers, eventually including my husband and me, refused any trip beginning, ending or going through California.
One of the reasons behind this attitude is the fuel surcharges and extra taxes on diesel. Another reason became clear when my husband and I were pulled over. I'm a non-smoker and my husband used to smoke. The officer stopped him and gave him a warning that it was illegal to smoke in any workplace in California...trucks included.

Posted by momma y on August 22, 2007 03:06 AM

John,
I also agree 100%! I wish they would also take their bad drivers too! Between all the "cement" they love so much and the smoking ban and the yupee attitude I wish they would leave. I live in Golden and I hate all the homes sprawled out across the foothills too and of course if wild animals came in their yard they would be the first ones to call. They forget who was their first! I am sure not all Californians are like that but the ones that are can go back.

Posted by Lisa on August 22, 2007 06:15 AM

I agree that smoking bans in privately owned businesses are stupid and should be repealed, but I totally support most of the "green" solutions of which the letter writer speaks.

I also noted that nobody including the letter writer has detailed what exactly they don't like about California's regulations.

Perhaps debating the merits of those rather than registering your disdain for Californians would be more productive.

Posted by Charles B on August 22, 2007 06:41 AM

So California has the answer for Colorado. May we should also study the prevailing sexual activituies in San Francisco to provide Denverites a model for their social behavior.

Posted by Hank on August 22, 2007 07:26 AM

Hank:

Any more non-sequiturs you want to bestow upon us?

Posted by Charles B on August 22, 2007 09:20 AM

Charles B
You chastise the writer and poster for not detailing what they don't like, yet you pull out of nowhere "most of the "green" solutions of which the letter writer speaks" which you say you support. DETAILS ,please, "Perhaps debating the merits of those rather than registering your disdain for"... everyone but yourself ...."would be more productive".

A trace of hypocracy here?

AF


Posted by on August 22, 2007 10:47 AM

Dudes,
All the "green" solutions are based on the hoax of global warming being man made and that CO2 (less than 1% of the green house affect) is the culprit. Any study that disregards the 95% of greenhouse affect being water must be deemed fatally flawed.

But we "feel" better by claiming our "good stewardship" of the environment.

Bush, now amazingly is "green" conscious. Could it be that someone has convinced him it is "good business" to perpetrate the myth?

"Carbon Offsets" being added to our IRS returns?
Whew...good business, oh yeah.. the shell game is alive and well...

More government mandates according to each citizen's "carbon footpint" would be another good start. Shall all of us be taxed as smokers are? After all we all have to "pay" for carbon footprints as we all have to pay for smokers health problems. Right?

E85 is one of the placebo's now being forwarded, yet its use increases Ozone which has an immediate affect on all humans with lung disfunctions. Add to that the Ozone tests that cities must undergo to retain Federal Dollars, I can't wait for the switch to occur to E85. Then our illustrious Supreme Court has mandated CO2 as a pollutant. Since when did they become scientists?

Then our scientific experts in Congress has mandated more E85 vehicles which can be 25% less gas mileage efficient and at the same time mandated increased gas mileage.. whew...talk about mandating private industry out of business, then socializing it because the free market can't meet government mandates..think Health Insurance....

whooowa!!!!

California will be the first to feel the pain of their miscalculations and government mandated greed....as it should be.....

I wonder if anyone in government has a clue?

Posted by Father OMalley on August 22, 2007 11:10 AM

Father OMalley, every solution starts another problem with global warming and pollution.

The climate and weather are changing, why, who knows at this point. Could be a combination of changes in the sun, shift in orbit and human contributions.

We can do nothing, or we can try something. I get the idea from your post that doing nothing is preferable.

What would you do?

Posted by Sharon B. on August 22, 2007 11:20 AM

Good point Sharon. You want us to do something ,do anything. Great logic. First we need to answer the question "Is the earth warming?" If and only if we answer yes. We then need to ask "Why is it warming?". Once that is answered the next question is "Can we or should we stop it?" This whole issue started with a desired solution, renewable energy and conservatiohn. Then the had to frame the problem to fit the solution. That's just not the way science and enginering should work.

Posted by on August 22, 2007 12:27 PM

I commend you Father OMalley; you seem willing to attach your hyphenation labeling you a pedophile since the sentiment is to err in favor of the children. Stick to spiritual guidance and stay out of politics as your boss Kaput takes the opposite ground. I bet you are happy our Supreme Court grants itself a license to practice medicine. You wear your hypenation on your sleeve like Bush wears his religion on his. To me it is not titular title, but diabolical title.

Posted by Richard Grimes r22037yahoo Risen ape/Deicide. Intelligent enough to be atheist but lack courage. on August 22, 2007 12:33 PM

Charles B:

A hyphenated non-sequiture is indeed a nonsequiture. anyway--------------,

California is an example of how governments self destruct when they take on to much regulating of people in order to jusify all the factions of people who live in that fractionalized society. They pass all kinds of unnecessary feel good laws based on someone's Idea of what should be without investigating whether it ought to be or not.

Then, when the bureaucracies reach the point of being unable to define what it is they are responsible for, they create another bureau to study why that happened and how to fix it which also grows and grows until it reaches the same state of affairs of the bureaucracy it was created to study etc, etc, so on, so on, ad infinitum, ad naseam and ad toit again.

Californianism should be rated right up there with depression and attention deficient disorder by the AMA as one of the more serious mental disabilities.

Posted by Allen Campbell on August 22, 2007 01:12 PM

While in Berkeley a few years back, the local housing inspector made two trips, in the period of two weeks, from a facility eight miles away in a pickup truck. His purpose? To consult and then inspect the results. The results? 18 inces of insulation on a piece of hot water heater pipe and a bill for $275.00. That's California Deamin'.

Posted by Stan Broyles on August 22, 2007 03:50 PM

Ah, Disdain. An arrogant, dismissive, contemptuous, scornful, superior attitude, regardless of the facts on the ground or the experience of people who have been there...

Sounds pretty Republican to me.

Posted by Orville on August 22, 2007 05:22 PM

Richard Grimes, put down the pipe and step away from the crack.

Posted by on August 23, 2007 03:30 PM

Yes Massa. I'll do it Massa. Just don't flog me anymore. No more crack Massa; I'll stick to the hard stuff I did in Monte Vista 60 years ago: arithmetic. Spare me Massa O3:30 PM. I'll be good. "God Bless You" Massa. You are so good; I am so bad. I love you, Massa; I love your family and those who extend far beyond you.

Posted by Richard Grimes r22037@yahoo.com, Deicide ffrf.org. Web: http://www.geocities.com/r22037/think.html on August 24, 2007 11:23 AM

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