College for illegals
In his letter of 7-31, Paola Perez says h
That is the mentality of most illegal aliens, especially those from Mexico. They believe that their own nation owes them nothing but that a land they entered illegally and whose laws on immigration they routinely break owes them education, medical care, welfare payments, etc.
We owe illegals nothing. Out of charity we should agree to transport them home to the nation where they are citizens.
Our President and Congress could solve this problem by seeing to it that laws against illegal immigration are enforced. If illegals cannot find work, the vast majority will return to their own country.
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God help the fools if those of us who see reality ever organize. God help them.
Posted by truthy on August 1, 2007 01:42 PMMr Dodge and Truthy are correct. The American people have been sold out by not only Bush but most of the congress and senate. A family from Germany, here in accordance with the laws and who owned a business face deportation because the business they owned did not hire a predetermined percentage of employees. They will be ignored by all the elected officials because as an aide or staffer of Ken Salazar put it, "They have not met the requirements for Mr. Salazar to be able to get involved with the situation." Most likely that means because they are not hispanic, Mr. Salazar does not determin them wqorth his time or effort. Two border agents are in jail with their lives in peril for defending the country against illegals and drug smugglers, Bush ignores them in order to placate his masters south of the border. The people of this country do need to unite and replace all those in congress, the senate and the presidency with those who will defend the United States and not bowdown to the whims of illegals and governments outside of our borders. This government is ours, not their for WE THE PEOPLE, ARE the government.
Posted by Nick on August 1, 2007 02:06 PMI remember going to Mexico and expecting to see real natives there, and all I saw were a bunch of American living there, My guess would be that they check in at the border but they never come back to ther own country
so they to are Illegal aliens in Mexico. Maybe every country should sent back everyone that in there land Illegally back where thay came from, I bet yah we will have alot more Americans living here with suntans and blonde hair.
Yes, we should form a world-wide government agency to make sure that no-one ever leaves the general proximity of their birth-place, it would solve so many problems!
Posted by roy on August 1, 2007 02:20 PMBABS. No Mexico is very good at controlling who stays in their country. Have you ever seen the requirements needed to stay in Mexico? Have you talked to these people to see what the requirements are and if they are following them?
Have you not heard what happens to people entering Mexico illegally from Mexico's southern borders? Please look into what the Hondurans and others go through as they are caught, even if they have permission to be in Mexico.
Mexico controls its borders very well, and the Govts of US and Mexico make sure of this fact for Mexico. We abide by their rules but the same can not be said of them for us.
If you are for amnesty and giving them free govt services, just say so, dont try to turn the tables without facts that are sustainable. If you believe in it enough you should have all the information needed to make your points.
Posted by bwr on August 1, 2007 02:36 PMbwr,
I'm surprised you could even understand what BABS was attempting to write enough to respond. I have read that post 5 times, and keep getting stuck by the "to" instead of "too", "there" instead of "their" and the lack of proper tense spelling (i.e. "every country should sent" instead of send, and "a bunch of American" instead of Americans). Oh, and I love the word alot. Someone tell me what an alot is please? Because if BABS meant a lot, that would be different.
Posted by Dan2 on August 1, 2007 03:30 PMThanks bwr for understanding, hey Dan2
thanks you also for correcting my spelling.
I wish I knew how to use my words correctly.
Alot of people have problems pronouncing words and maybe it could be why i spell or hear word differently. I went to school with
alot of different cultures and now that im an adult i work with the same even my managers forget how to spell and guess what they ask me. bwr your right Mexico dooes protect their borders better, thanks
also Dan 2 I wish I had you as my teacher.
Mucho thanks to the Salazar brothers (senator/rep.) and Gov. Richardson for their "Shamnesty legislation". The financial benefactors of criminal illegal Mexicans is the Vatican, GOP, Mexican gov't, Wal-Mart, and the Salazar family. The Salazar's are using cheap illegal Mexican labor on their family farms, where they are illegally displacing qualified American wrokers. Their worst sin is, the Salazar family are members of the federal subsidy "cash-cow", it is astonishing that Rep. John Salazar is pimping and exploiting the American people, where he collected a whopping $484K in federal subsidies. No wonder the other racist Colorado farmers like him so much.
I want to personally thank US Sen. Benedict Arnold Salazar (draft-dodger), where he and his flunkie, Bennie Milliner (JUDAS), haven't found time to get me my '"7" years arrears social securty disability pay, derived from injuries I incurred from serving in 3 deployments to Vietnam. The Salazar's are using their federal offices strictly for the greater good of the Salazar-Klan.
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies on August 1, 2007 03:59 PMI agree with the letter writer that the sense of entitlement among illegals is disgusting. I understand that I am a citizen of this country only by the luck of my birth. But I also know that my family fought very hard to maintain that freedom and way of life. I have tried to be sympathetic to people seeking a better life. But the current wave of demonstrations and demands by the "illegal community" has really turned my stomach. I have as many children as I can support. And to me, support includes paying for college or at least helping my kids pay. The one letter writer (if these letters were even real which I'm not so sure of) talks of the 5 brothers and sisters that would like to go to college also. And nothing is their fault...they were brought here as infants, they shouldn't be held accountable for their parent's actions..etc. etc. It is unfortunate that this is the only country that they know and that their home country is not familiar to them. But it is NOT the responsibility of the American taxpayer to do ANYTHING for them. Their families actions have sealed a fate for them and until the illegals stop "demanding" what they want at the expense of everybody else, their arguements will mean nothing. Where in any of these letters from the illegal children wanting to go to college was an acknowledgement of the crime their family committed and a desire to make it right??? Where is the offer to work harder or take a different route? No, they simply demand it "because they deserve it!"
Posted by idk on August 1, 2007 04:19 PM40acres - If disabilities are from active service duty you should be pulling disability from the VA, not social security.
It would be nice to pull big subsidy bucks for NOT working an active farm while at the same time receiving congressional pay and benies (lifetime) for fighting to allow illegal slave labor into the country. SUCH A DEAL! Ouvay!
Posted by on August 1, 2007 04:21 PMCollege for illegals...that college is in the country they just left. In America, illegals and lawbreakers don't go to college, they go to jail.
Posted by Hank on August 1, 2007 04:39 PMAre there no colleges in other countries?
Perez should say thank-you to America for providing a basic education. Then he/she should go back home for college and work to create better opportunities for people that country.
Posted by karen on August 1, 2007 04:54 PMgo try the university of mexico in mexico city....................please
Posted by on August 1, 2007 06:40 PMInstead of giving freebies to the illegal aliens, the US government should take care of the Veterans and Senior citizens. It is totally unbelievable to me that the government is giving free education, free medical care and free whatever else they want to the illegals. It is time for the politicians to wake up and realize that American citizens are not going to take it much more. Enuf is enuf. Illegals GO HOME WHERE YOU BELONG.
Posted by mi on August 1, 2007 08:13 PMGood letter Mr. Dodge,
Brw>>>Look at "Dog" the bounty hunter how Mexico is treating him and his brother.
And America treats the illegals like royalty..
May as well roll out the red carpet for them.
(sarcasm)
Truthy,
It looks as if we are.
Except of course for 40acres, and Hank to a lesser extent, the responses have been civil, which is a nice change from many of the responses in similar threads.
To me, it's unfortunate that all of the responses are, in my opinion, more emotional than reasoned. I can't tell as to any of the posters, for example, if they believe that the illegal immigrants already here should be deported or what should be done about them. It's too bad that none of the posters are willing to take the time to provide more than a sound byte answer that addresses what the solution should be rather than just how they feel about the illegal immigrants.
Truth, you asked for it...Yes, I do think that all illegals should be deported. While that is probably not reasonable, if enforcement in the workplace was taken care of, illegals would not have a place to work and would most likely go back to their country. If they could receive no jobs or benefits, there would be nothing for them to stay here for. Yes, I realize that this would be a hardship, but they knew what they were getting into when they crossed the border illegally. There are thousands of immigrants waiting their turn all over the country to come to the US. They are being punished by the sheer numbers of illegals in the US right now. We cannot reward those that broke the law by allowing them to now work towards citizenship. I think that the bottom line for me is that they crossed the border into this country illegally and they knew that they were breaking the law. For many of them to now demand rights and a path to citizenship is unfair to those who applied to immigrate and were told to wait. There is not perfect solution to this problem. If our government had acted responsibly after the last amnesty act, we wouldn't be in this mess...but we are and whatever solutions end up being implimented, there will be crying and hand-wringing.
Posted by idk on August 2, 2007 10:49 AMTruth,
Yes they all should be deported so that the one's in line prior to them can get in. When it is their turn to come in, they should be reviewed as to what type of neighbor they where when they were here illegally. A criminal record and civic record would be a start, What type of car insurance they had if any. Also what Code infractions the accrued while here. Were any and all fines paid in full and was community service fulfilled if any was ordered.
How about we do two things that will be cheap and easy?
First we only go after illegals who are breaking the laws. Include traffic violations like no driver's license or insurance and pass laws that punish ANYONE who drives without a license or insurance by towing the vehicle. Illegals will not be the only ones who lose a car but I'd guess that if a person was without BOTH there is a good chance we need to keep them off the road.
Second we file suit against the requirement we issue birth certificates for children of illegals. Would result in a Supreme Court revisitation of the issue and I'll bet this court would NOT agree that they deserve to be automatic citizens.
I support harsh penalties for employers. Perhaps that might be the most effective measure. In areas where there is stiff enforcement of laws against hiring illegals the illegals have left. Even though the stiff laws in Pennsylvania were ruled against, the illegals already left and, with the future possibility of those laws being ruled valid, they aren't coming back. Maybe the federal government won't deport illegals but we can make situations unproductive for them so they decide to leave on their own.
Thank you, idk and slopoke, for your clear and civil answers.
My own view is that the United States has for many years encouraged the illegal immigrants to come her by not enforcing our borders and by allowing businesses to reap the benefit of hiring them with impunity.
My view is that the motives of most illegal immigrants who have been here for some time are worthy ones, that is, trying to provide a higher quality of life for their families, a quality not available to them where they were born.
My view is that it is inhumane to take an illegal immigrant who has been here a number of years, who has worked productively during those years, who has no criminal record other than that of coming here illegally and perhaps minor violations, who has learned English, and who perhaps has purchased and lived in a home here for many years, load him and his wife and children, born here, on a plane or bus, leaving their home behind and perhaps many of their possessions, and cart them back, in many instances, to the hinterlands of Mexico.
It is also my opinion that to do that the United States would further alienate itself from the rest of the world. because of the inhumanity of its actions. And I think the United States has and will pay significantly for the way it has soiled the once high regard most of the world has had for the United States, I think that more and more, the attitude of the world about the United States will play a big part in how successful it is in dealing with the many current international issues, and these days most issues do have an international aspect to them.
It is also my opinion that such a mass deportation would cause severe economic disruptions in the United States.
I think that for all of the above reasons, as well as because of the political pressures, there is not going to be any such mass deportation. Consequently, I think we are much better off figuring out how to best accommodate the presence of such illegal immigrants, while barring the entry of any more of them, than we are by continuing to treat them as a caste of undesirables and by hindering their assimilation rather than encouraging it.
And I do think there is a strong tendency to think of the illegal immigrants as objects to be gotten rid of rather than as fellow human beings.
In my opinion, it is somewhat similar to the way some people, for example, about the poor. That is, viewing them as problems rather than as people.
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 12:33 PMTruth: see my post of 1:46Pm under "how are we going to pay for the war". You are a racist of the highest order in selling out the American born blacks for the benefit of illegal aliens.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 02:20 PMturth, it was inhumane for them to come here and steal from us and i love the fact that you say " no criminal record OTHER then coming here illegally"
get real. we should deport them all. and as soon as possible.
Posted by Fresh on August 2, 2007 03:25 PMI got quite a kick out of Fresh and 03:25's inability to respond with something intelligent. Feels good, guys. Thanks.
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 06:56 PMTruth
Dealing with criminals is never easy and often messy. Outsiders, in this case other countries, may not like us for doing what is necessary but we have to take a stand. I am all for letting someone who is not drawing benefits, who is working and who is obeying all laws, indluding licensing and insurance for their cars, a break in that we will not seek them out.
I would impose a mandatory jail sentence for any illegal immigrant found guilty of breaking law with immediate deportation to follow jail time for traffic offenses I would tow the cars of everyone who drives without a license and is also uninsured. For violent crimes I would totally eliminate bail so that the criminal is here for the trial.
Extreme enforcement of laws against employing illegals is the best way to deal with the problem. Businesses don't want to take non-profitable risks and when the jobs are gone so are the illegals. I just read an article, here I think, where even after the court overturned the laws against renting to illegals and other harsh penalties like loss of business licenses for companies that employ themthe illegals are still staying away. There are apartments with 30% vacancy rates and employers have had to spend the time and money to verify the legal status of workers. They are continuing to do so just in case the law gets re-instated and they face such penalties again. Some, but not many, have raised the pay they offer. Looks to me like letting them deport themselves is the best way t go.
Denying citizenship to anchor babies will also decrease the illegal presence and would be easily done with a simple challenge to the federal government's requirement that every state issue birth certificates for children of non-citizens. Would you care to guess How THIS Supreme Court would rule on the 14th ammendment which makes a clear distinction between persons here legally and those who aren't?
If anyone needs any reason why we need to become active on this problem re-read the original letter. Now it isn't enough that they are here illegally they not only want to be allowed to stay they want special allowances! Time to close the door.
It's pretty clear that those illegal immigrants who have been here for some time and who fulfill certain requirements are going to be provided a way stay here legally and a way to eventually become citizens. That is a good thing. Hopefully, the United States will also provide a program under which those illegal immigrants who become legal, and their children, will be able to earn a college education if they work hard. That is also a good thing.
Posted by Truth on August 4, 2007 05:22 PMok..Martha Stewart!
Posted by on August 4, 2007 07:47 PM