College for illegals
In response to Paola Perez, who is complaining because she can not afford a college education because she and her family are undocumented, I have this advice. Paola, go back to the country in which you ARE documented and petition your own government to provide you with a quality, affordable education. Problem solved, for All of us!
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And take the rest of your family with you!!!!!
Posted by mickey on August 2, 2007 02:34 PMUnbelievable! An illegal alien in this country whining because she can't afford a college education. Does she have any idea how many legal aliens and US Citizens can't afford a college education because those like her and her family have taken jobs at far less wages than legal aliens or US Citizens would be paid. Pack your belongings and your family and go back to your own country by whatever means you illegally entered ours.
Posted by COMom on August 2, 2007 03:20 PMour sissy mary congress isnt going to do a damn thing except give them what they want eventually. get ready for it
Posted by Fresh on August 2, 2007 03:33 PMI think the letter by the so-called Paola was a fake. Another letter supposedly written by an illegal kid was posted the very same week and was almost identical to this "Paolas" letter. Kinda strange dont you think????
Someone was just trying to stir up the anti-illegal crowd and they have done a good job! I found both letters to be, not only outrageous, but just plain arrogant, ignorant, and sickning! Someone may be having a big laugh!
Posted by A on August 2, 2007 03:38 PMTo hell with college. I can't even get my kids into head start in Denver because the illegals have filled all the slots, and seem to get first pick. Glad I can pay for em...wish I could get my moneys worth out of ice and have them all deported!
Posted by on August 2, 2007 04:46 PMI'm amazed at the level of arrogance we maintain as Americans. Have we lost our sense of spirit for humanity in this country? These "illegals" are real people and not animals or trash to throw away. We should be ashamed to call our selves Americans with the pervasive and unapologetic racist attitues some of us maintain. I hope all of the immigrants in this country have a fair and equal opportunity to obtain a college education. Perhaps then they could help teach us the real meaning of civility and harmony. I only hope my children and grandchildren will continue to be proud of their country when they, children of immigrant Colorado ancestry for over 5 generations, become the leaders and caregivers of tomorrow. My advice: get over your self-importance attitude and realize the world is a bigger place than the beaten path of a racist's heart and mind. After that, spend your energy doing something meaningful and constructive as an authentic human being...maybe provide a college scholarship to an immigrant child wanting to make the world a bit less angry. Now there's a novel idea.
Posted by E. Lucero on August 2, 2007 05:08 PMAnon 4:46: Of course you can't get your kids into head start in Denver. Hickenlooper is a huge supporter of illegals -- his restaurants employees tons of them. Of course he'll take care them before you.
E. Lucero: glad you earn enough to support the world. The illegals can both receive and generate humanity in their own country. We have enough problems in this country without the additional burden of their's. Why don't you and poster truth go sing kumbaya in the corner as you plan the next step in your strategy of keeping blacks unemployed and in their place.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 05:21 PMwhere is your green card "e. lucero" I bet you are an illegal too. otherwise you wouldnt be advocating that we spend our own money on law breakers.
call em what they are ILLEGAL Immigrants.
they are not just IMMIGRANTS
Posted by Fresh on August 2, 2007 05:43 PMThanks, James Darlinger. It's great fun to feel that you are in charge, doesn't it? Now that you got that out of your system, do you plan to come back to the real world?
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 07:00 PME. Lucero
Aren't you angry at whitey? Sure sounds like you are. And you used the "r" word. What a surprise. How many RACIST hispanics do you know?
Whats that? Lots?
UmmmmmmHummmmm
Posted by truthy on August 2, 2007 07:24 PME. Lucero, thanks for interrupting this thread with a thoughtful post. But you shouldn't frustrate poor Fresh that way. He feels badly because he can never think of anything intelligent to say.
And now, 05:21 and myself will join together in singing Kumbaya:
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
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Oh lord, kumbaya
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Nice, huh?
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 07:35 PMWhat's the point of sending illegals to college? They are here illegally - they cannot be licensed as professionals in this country. What are they going to do with a degree - when they are convicted of felony fraud or impersonation or identity theft?
Here's a thought - instead of whining about how expensive college is for illegals, why don't these children apply for citizenship or go back to their own country where they can go to school.
Mr Lucero is correct, illegal aliens are human beings - just like other criminals.
Posted by marie on August 2, 2007 07:51 PMBoy, marie, it doesn't much for you to convict a high school sophomore of a felony. Where on earth did you get your education?
Posted by Truth on August 2, 2007 08:32 PMObviously, truth, marie got her education were they emphasize fair play and acceptance of the fact that civilized societies have laws to maintain order. You must have missed those classes.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 09:07 PM"These "illegals" are real people and not animals or trash to throw away. "...You're right E. Lucero - I wouldn't throw an animal away but the trash and illegals can go!
Posted by Scott on August 2, 2007 09:14 PMRemember when we graduated from high school and moved out of the house with the money we saved from mowing lawns? Nobody handed us anything except some old pots and pans. Now whole families come, sign up for a house, hawk it for multiple Suvs, decimate it and hold their hand out. Wow, just because we can't bleed any more, the cry foul.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 09:46 PMWell, why doesn't Paola do what the rest of us do and GET A JOB! That's what her parents came here to do, right? Or, maybe she can do what some other people do and get in line for citizenship, work a few years and then go.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 09:46 PMI feel like BARFING on La Rasa and all it's members and supporters.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 09:50 PMThey are heavy, they are nothing like my brother and I will no longer be a gracious host. I will give my support to our troops when they get back. If we have enough money to consider giving the illegals, we can surely save it for those who have supported our dreams and our freedoms. We should be able to choose, that does not make us racist.
Posted by on August 2, 2007 09:56 PMThis is a SAD commentary on our society and reactions that seem to be so heated. I agree that ILLEGAL aliens should not be given handouts that LEGAL aliens and US Citizens should have 1st crack at.
With the anti-illegal forces brewing more anger, we should keep in mind that yes, they too are people - BUT they need to get their house in order, get legal, and EARN their way through like many others had to do.
The fact is that illegal aliens do not deserve the same entitlements that U.S. Citizens, both naturalized and native enjoy for obvious reasons. Earn it, get legal, then you can complain. You'll still have to WORK for it.
Posted by PJ on August 2, 2007 10:17 PMYes, the illegals are people. I think what you are seeing is the frustration of a group of people thumbing their noses at the law. They have broken the law by crossing the border and broken the law by committing identity theft. Most illegal aliens do not drive with insurance and most use the emergency rooms and do not pay...so we all pay higher insurance premiums and hospital bills. If that isn't enough, now the illegal immigrants are DEMANDING more! They are people, yes. But they are people that willingly committed a crime and it is now time for them to pay for that crime. I, personally, cannot continue to live with the results of the illegal immigration. I am tired of my kids receiving a less than stellar education because of all the funding going to the bilingual classes. I am tired of the uninsured motorists on the streets. I have had enough of the protests in the streets for more rights when my kids can’t even get a job at McDonalds because it is easier to hire illegals (than a kid trying to work his way through college who can’t work all hours of the day because of classes). I don’t want to spend another night in an emergency room full of people who can’t speak English while I wait through their sore throats to have an emergency attended to. I chose a job that paid less because it had health benefits. I chose to have as many children as I could afford to raise. I am now being “punished” by those choices. I have watched my health insurance triple in the last two years to pay for everybody else. I have seen the illegals move 4 or 5 families into a single family home and make noise all hours of the day and night. (by the way, illegals from Russia on that one, not Mexico so no, I’m not a racist towards Mexicans, I would like to see illegal immigrants of all nationalities dealt with in the same manner). I want to see the immigrants from all over the world who have played by the rules finally receive their reward. Start enforcing the laws that we have. Illegals do not need to be treated as if they are less than human, but they do need to face the consequences of their actions.
Posted by idk on August 2, 2007 10:28 PMWell said, idk. I agree completely. It is frustrating. They broke the law to come here illegally, flouting our country's traditions and laws by stealing someone else's identity. The press goes to those that BREAK the worst laws and flee back to their country to avoid OUR justice system. I know many hard working naturalized citizens. If they can do it, so can the multitude of illegals.
I work in the health care field, and I too am dismayed at the >50% of NONPAYING illegals that flock to an emergency room for non emergent conditions, knowing they have no intention to pay. In other countries, if we pulled that, we'd be in jail in their country.
Everyone deserves health care and education, but it should not be straining our country's resources so severely - in addition to all of the illegal activities that many must resort to, to support their decision to come here illegally. This is part and parcel of the debate and why so many are so angry now. This is the lash back effect.
Posted by PJ on August 2, 2007 10:46 PMEDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE
Posted by RR on August 2, 2007 10:49 PMThe parents likely broke the law, not the children. This is a distinction that seems to be forgotten by the "they took our jobs" crowd. The US is harming the Mexican economy more than the "illegals" are harming the US. Don't forget about that.
And for whatever it is worth, I'm a "white" American, born into a military family, and I support services for so called "illegal" immigrants.
Posted by Kyle on August 2, 2007 11:06 PME.Lucero....>>>SELL OUT!
Posted by on August 2, 2007 11:28 PMKyle,
I am truly tired of the "parents broke the law, don't blame the children" arguement. All children (citizens, illegal immigrants, legal immigrants) are subject to the choices that their parents made. If I were to choose to rob a bank tomorrow, my children would pay the consequences. That is just the way the world works. Maybe it isn't fair, but that is the way it is. You cannot have it both ways...the parents came here to give their children a better life/don't blame the children. The US is NOT responsible for the problems of Mexico (or any other country for that matter). Certainly some trade restrictions are not beneficial, but why is it the responsibility of the US to bolster all foreign governments??
And what in the world do you mean by "so called illegal??" They broke the law, they illegally immigrated to this country...they are illegal immigrants. You are welcome to pay for their services, I am not. (that is what charity is about. I choose where I give my money and you choose where you give yours, the government does not decide for me!)
Posted by idk on August 2, 2007 11:32 PM5:08
Civility and harmony? Are you serious?
Dragging a lady with a noose around her neck to her death is really civil,shooting our policeman Donny Young in the back,civil ?
How many more examples of harmony ?
kyle congrats you are a "white " American and born into a military family. I am also a "white" American, not that it shold matter in anyway. I was also born into a militarty family and I also served in the military and have bled for this country. I will be damned to hell if I did that so an American citizen gets shoved to the side just so an illegal can be given more reasons to break the law, ie free college. You feel that Americans are destroying the Mexican economy? then please oh omnipotent one, why the richest man in the worl is a Mexican national? seems like there is money there if they get off their asses and try to fix their government and quit expecting America to give them a free life. Hell Ghandi, MLK and many others changed history and governments, why can't they take a lesson and do the same? Or are you saying they are more important than these 2 great men and the lessons they taught?
Posted by Nick on August 2, 2007 11:48 PMOn this discussion forum, it should be obvious that anyone trying to support immigrants is usually labeled as one.
IDK
If you rob a bank, your children are not labeled as criminals. They may suffer indirectly, but not directly. The children did NOT break the law, their parents did. I do not get a say in my money being spent on the immoral war in Iraq, do I?
Nick
The United States IS destroying the Mexican economy. Agriculture, the area that many immigrants come to work for in the US, has been decimated in Mexico by the combination of NAFTA and US farm subsidies, along with the WTO and World Bank (dominated by the US) saying that Mexico cannot subsidize its farmers if it wants economic aid. Hmm... the US can subsidize, but nobody else can? Interesting... Those three factors alone are devistating to Mexico. The fact that one of the wealthiest people in the world is Mexican means nothing. It simply means that NAFTA makes the rich richer, and the poor poorer, which is indeed the case in Mexico since its passing.
Okay, let's see. Colorado is considering granting in-state tuition to ILLEGAL aliens, who are in this country ILLEGALLY, while LEGAL United States citizens who obviously are in this country LEGALLY, will continue to be charged more tuition as out-of- STATE residents?
Posted by Ann on August 3, 2007 01:27 AMIt’s daft to reward illegal behavior. That’s exactly what would be happening if illegals were to be granted in-state tuition.
If i had to pay for college out of my own pocket and working my ass off doing everything from fast food to call centers. if i had to pay and me being a citizen of this country (and also Native American), why should they have it for free especially since they are in MY country illegally , ...this country is in a sham and our government seems not to care any more about the people that are citizens of this country , the American people should be in an uproar, but instead there are people like "truth" if you like the Illegals aliens so much , why dont you go live in Mexico with them and take one under each arm with you on your way, it is people like you who are breaking this country ,
i really hope a family of illegals break into your home and take everything you have then maybe you will understand where we come from and why we are so angry ....
Posted by hoimaha on August 3, 2007 05:37 AMDear Illegal Aliens from Mexico,
This land was NEVER yours. It IS NOT yours to reclaim. We, the LEGAL citizens of the United States will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stop fighting your INVASION. Never.
Our forefathers died for this land, and we are not about to just let you take it.
You are exposed and we are ready. If you want this land, you will have to fight us for it.
Period.
Posted by truthy on August 3, 2007 07:01 AMKyle
If you were in the military you must have been really something. I am a Veteran and took an OATH to defend America from INVASION from home or abroad. An Oath has no time limits, from one veteran to another(doubt) you are a waste of skin.
Paola, go home and take as many of the the ultra-liberal America-second crowd with you.
Now you are helping fulfill my American dream.
Kyle,
You are the type that needs to feel superior, so you have a clutch of subservients around you at all times. Otherwise known as a lowlife.
I just read on Yahoo that Bush's new crackdown on illegals (yeah, yeah, this one wont have teeth either) will require employers to FIRE people who SSNs do not match the Fed database and who cannot otherwise prove the SSN is theirs. This is GOOD NEWS! Another step int he right directions. Illegals take notice - We are cominjg after you!
Posted by Frustrated on August 3, 2007 08:32 AMWe owe you nothing...you have earned nothing...you are here illegally...you have no rights...you don't give a damn about America...you are a sub-human parasite with no loyalty other than to yourself attempting to suck the blood out of the greatest country on the planet. And you will fail.
This great melting pot is ready as soon as you are. It all starts with respecting our laws. Until then, do us all a favor and get packin."
Posted by Hank on August 3, 2007 08:55 AMWell, this ought to make people very happy. David Skaggs, director for Colorado Higher Education wants to reward illegals and the children of illegals with even cheaper costs for college. He is poushing for such legislation. Kyle and Pula should be very happy that yet again, another elected official is wanting to screw over the American citizen.
Posted by Nick on August 3, 2007 09:29 AMNick..9:29
David Skaggs wants to change the law for them. The 14th Ammendment needs to be changed!
Posted by on August 3, 2007 10:26 AMTime to start massive E-mails and calls to the Colorado legislature. Some guy named Skaggs wants the legislature to change the law and allow in- state tuition for illegals.
WE CAN"T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!!!!
I know they are on summer break but we need to start the e-mails,letters and calls and flood their offices with thousands of HELL NO !WE DON"T WANT TO PAY FOR THIS!
We need to be heard by the thousands this is wrong and I am sick and tired of my tax money and k-12 education dollars going to educate a culture that doesn't want to learn and are draining our education system with their stupid children.
Look at the numbers. They get free breakfast,free lunch,free K-12 education ,and free preschool.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!
Now is the time to stand up to our Colorado Politicians and say NO! We do not want our taxes to pay for illegals to go to college.
If you don't think this is a problem and this law should be past,let me put it this way.
The colleges and universities are asking for more public funding and raising their tuition rates. That will be passed on to you and I the tax payer or the college student from out of state or the college student that is legally in-state.
Do you want your taxes raised even more? Do you want your children going to college to pay for an illegals education?
Start writing,dialing,and e-mailing.We must make it clear to anyone in office if the vote for this law to be change they will be out the door as soon as the next election.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 3, 2007 10:26 AMWe shouldn't even be arguing this topic. Tuition should be free for the children of undocumented workers. They are here doing the work we are too fat and lazy to do, and they deserve it. They also enrich our culture by providing some badly needed diversity to a culture that needs it.
Posted by PA on August 3, 2007 10:40 AMPA, are you serious? What in the world are you talking about...FREE tuition??!! Don't you dare tell me that they are doing work that we are too fat and/or lazy to do. My son went to get a job and couldn't get hired at a fast food restaurant because he was in school and they didn't want to work around his class schedule. They would prefer to hire an illegal immigrant that will work all hours of the day. Why do they deserve a free education for crossing the border illegally? The families committed a crime and now you want to reward them for it. What la la land do you live in? And....according to your arguement, the illegal immigrants do the work we don't want to do so we should educate them for free....then who will do that work???
Posted by idk on August 3, 2007 11:05 AMPA?? Does that stand for parasitic ass??
I don't know what your problem is, but, I bet it's hard to pronounce!!
Posted by A on August 3, 2007 11:11 AMPA do you need a bus ticket back to Mexico ?
I do NOT want my tax dollars helping pay for an illegal aliens college tution. This is one of the most insane ideas many Colorado elected officals have ever come up with.
idk, did it ever cross your mind that maybe your kid is just either unqualified, or just not that bright?
And yes, tuition should be free to the children of undocumented workers. Education is the only way that these people are going to better themselves. It is not the fault of the children that they were dragged here by their parents.
As to your last questrion..."then who will do that work???", well...maybe your kid will still be looking by then.
executivedirector@cche.state.co.us
If anyone wants to let Mr Skaggs know their opinion, theres the email he has. When we talk of making voices heard, let them be heard, not only to the senate or congress or the president, but also individuals such as Mr. Skaggs. Let him know how you think and feel in this matter. and PA, when you ask a man who is unemployed and the family is living in a homeless shelter if he wants a job, he would jump at any chance to get one, however he cant beacuse like idk sons position, they will not hire an American for they find it cheaper to break the law. McDonalds is at the forfront on that idea, especially the owner of several McDonalds in south denver/Englewood area. Gregg (last name unknown) will not hire any person that is not hispanic with the exception of a token few and has even interefered with ICE investigations.
PA, My child graduated from high school with many AP classes completed. He graduated with honors. So, no that isn't quite it. The low paying jobs did not want to hire kids who were in school because they had to work around the schedules. With illegals, they could work them at all hours. I still don't understand your reasoning that the tuition should be free because they broke the law. Why should the illegal immigrants get free tuition when the working poor and middle class are pinching pennies to send their kids to college? It's not my kids fault that I'm not a billionaire either, but they have to live within our budget!
As far as who will do the work? That is always my favorite arguement. The pro-illegal crowd touts the fact that illegals do the work that no American will do and that is why we need them...then we should educate them so they can make themselves better...then who will do the work...(not my question per say, but a logical progression from YOUR original arguement!)
Posted by idk on August 3, 2007 11:41 AMPeople are human beings...they are not "legal" or "illegal". You are either treating them with respect and dignity or you are not.
Posted by PA on August 3, 2007 11:50 AMPA, are you ignorant? illegal means they are here in violation of laws, they are committing a crime. If you had kids and some raped and tortured them before killing them, would you be so willing to forgive and be their friend? Or would you want jutice for a crime that was ommitted? They are illegal, they violated laws and by definition, they are criminals.
Posted by Nick on August 3, 2007 11:55 AMAll humans deserve respect and dignity. We should be striving toward a world of bridges and collaboration, not borders and walls.
Posted by PA on August 3, 2007 11:59 AMPA, I agree with you that people are human beings and deserve respect. However, respect does not include free tuition. Humans also need to earn respect in many regards. By breaking a law and sneaking across the border in violation of our laws, they did not earn respect. They showed a disrespect for the thousands of people around the world who played by the rules and applied for citizenship and are waiting their turn. They show a disrespect for citizens of the US when they commit identity theft to get work. Respect is earned and illegal immigrants have not earned the respect of many citizens of the US. You are not advocating treating illegal immigrants as humans, you are advocating treating them better than US citizens. You have said that they "deserve" free tuition because they have broken a law. That is a whole lot different than coming up with a humane solution to the immigration/college problem. That is putting them ahead of US citizens and that isn't right.
Posted by idk on August 3, 2007 12:07 PMPA
Are you saying that all children (my grandkids, nieces and nephews included)should recieve a free secondary education? Or should I a voting, taxpaying citizen(or grandkids, nieces, nephews)be required to pay for education of said persons?
ok PA, why do not the Mexicans try fixing problems in their country? If the richest man in the world is Mexican, it would appear to me that they do have opportunity to make a good life. All people do deserve respect true, but people like Ghandi, and MLK didnt cry or run, they made life better by working for it in their own countries. I have yet to see that south of the border so why should I respect them if they do now respect us, or respect themselves enough by fixing the problems there?
Posted by Nick on August 3, 2007 12:15 PM"All humans deserve respect and dignity."
PA- please provide us with your definition of respect and dignity. So far it seems that your definition includes excusing someone for willfully breaking the law (illegal immigrants), and advocating that the law-breaker receive additional special benefits (free education) which law-abiding citizens don't even receive, on top of what they are already taking (health care etc).
Posted by fiesty on August 3, 2007 12:46 PMPA, do you think of the cultures represented by legitimate Americans as milquetoast?
European Hispanic
Italian,
German,
Eastern European,
Middle Eastern,
African,
Asian, this list goes on and on!
The whole rest of the worlds' cultures are blended in the unique culture we call American.
Latin American cultures are a small piece of the pie. And much of what we recognize as Latin American culture ( of various flavors) is actually from somewhere else! Heck, the major language down there is from Europe (Spain).
In my children's classes, American and Illegal does NOT equal diversity. It equals WRONG.
E. Lucero
How hypocritical! All the hispanics from spanish/mexican decent are the most racist people I know. And I'm chicana..will you let your sons and daughters date an african -american? No! Every hispanic in our old neighborhood,would dare not date a black
american. If you did.you were called the most racist words..that I wouldn't dare say.
And in California the hispanic/mexican is worse ..I called looking for a relative..the lady said to me ..come visit sometime we live in a really nice area..theres no blacks around here.(?????) There's no "negritos"..Now our black brothers and sisters are ok to plan school fundings,or community fundraisers,etc. But honestly...fourth and fifth generation mexicans never embraced black people. Only at arm length.
But NOW..when it comes to the Mexican illegals....its a different story. You.cry RACIST!
How about you contributing a scolarship to a child thru NAACP?
To E. Lucero and anyone else who agrees with him that the people, here in the USA illegally, should be given an easy ticket through the university system:
Bull crapola. I've recently returned from 4 years of living in a foreign country and I'll be darned if they would have permitted me (and my children) to attend university at thier taxpayers' expense.
Furthermore, there are lots of people here who, while born into the USA, are charged EXHORBITANT amounts of money to attend colleges/universities in states other than where they were born... AND THIS IS THEIR COUNTRY.
I don't want to see anyone suffer... for cryin' out loud I feed homeless people, donate time and money (when I have it) and do as much as possible to show love and kindness to my fellow human beings, but there are some very good arguments being made in this thread that these people should take up arms - NOT AGAINST OUR SYSTEM -- but against their own countries, and fight for changes back there.
Posted by Sheila on August 3, 2007 06:37 PMTo E. Lucero and anyone else who agrees with him that the people, here in the USA illegally, should be given an easy ticket through the university system:
Bull crapola. I've recently returned from 4 years of living in a foreign country and I'll be darned if they would have permitted me (and my children) to attend university at the taxpayers' expense.
Furthermore, there are lots of people here who, while born into the USA, are charged EXORBITANT amounts of money to attend colleges/universities in states other than where they were born... AND THIS IS THEIR COUNTRY.
I don't want to see anyone suffer... for cryin' out loud I feed homeless people, donate time and money (when I have it) and do as much as possible to show love and kindness to my fellow human beings, but there are some very good arguments being made in this thread that these people should take up arms - NOT AGAINST OUR SYSTEM -- but against their own countries, and fight for changes back there.
Posted by Sheila on August 3, 2007 06:39 PMwhat Paula and E. Lucero are ignoring as do many such individuals is that in the world there are several hundred different spoken and written languages. They, however cry discrimination only when Spanish is ignored. All other minorities or immigrants are not even worth their recognition. They expect and demand that all other cultures and nationalities intergrate into American culture but they refuse to do so. That is another of the true racism of the hispanic community that Paula, E. Lucero and Ken Salazar represent.
Posted by Nick on August 3, 2007 06:41 PMPA, well by God let's get all the bank robbers, child molesters and drug sellers in on this free tuition, government subsidized way of life, because they too only tried to better themselves by committing an illegal act. You ought to be banished from the planet. Lets let all the people out of prison so they can do the jobs "no one else wants to do" maybe that is where you are writing from.
Posted by Kim on August 3, 2007 08:06 PMFolks, I think PA was a shill playing devil's advocate. Nobody is that naive nor wears their heart that far out on their sleeve. This person was advocating far beyond what the illegals take to the street and demand.
Get the blood pressure back under control. IF "PA" returns, consider the he/she is either a shill, or one of the most naive, dreamy thinking individuals you'll ever run across. If the latter is the case, appreciate and savor the experience -- most people that idealistic and naive don't survive in the real world as they are a true freak of nature.
Posted by on August 3, 2007 08:32 PMTerry Anderson talk Show.com has a 6 minute video on his web site against illegal immigration......He is BOLD!
Posted by on August 3, 2007 11:08 PMKeep working America, 20 million illegal aliens depend on you!
Posted by No more wetbacks on August 4, 2007 07:23 AMYou think Lucero is 'illegal' simply because he has a latinized surname? And still you don't see the inherent racism in your position. I am a multi-generation American of Scoth-Irish descent. I am happy to help ensure that people born here and living here get a good education. Better than spending billions and billions in our failed war or to build a border wall that will be obsolete before its finished.
Posted by on August 4, 2007 07:47 AMAnd 'truthy' where I sit in Western Colorado, the land did belong to Mexico and not that long ago in the scheme of things. You can have your opinions, but you can't have your own facts. Not that you care, or your ilk, about what is factual and what is unadulterated bullsh**
You just spout and spout and facts be damned...
Posted by Oliver on August 4, 2007 07:56 AMThis is the only fact I need: The United States purchashed this land in the Treaty of Guadaloupe Hildago. (I don't care if I spelled it right.)
It belongs to the people of the United States of America. Mexico has no claim on it. NONE.
And SCREW the scheme of things. I don't care if Mexico owned it yesterday. It is the United States. Period.
I have my facts straight you moron. You want this land to belong to Mexico again? Then bring the Mexican miltary up here and TAKE IT.
Otherwise shut your stupid pie hole!!!! I am tired of the revisionist histroy being spewed by RACIST hispanics.
Got it "Oliver"?
Posted by truthy on August 4, 2007 09:04 AMOliver,
What ever happened then..happened then,
So suck it up! Mexico has no part of America..neither do illegals! They deserve nothing..NADA!
It's pretty clear that those illegal immigrants who have been here for some time and who fulfill certain requirements are going to be provided a way stay here legally and a way to eventually become citizens. That is a good thing. Hopefully, the United States will also provide a program under which those illegal immigrants who become legal, and their children, will be able to earn a college education if they work hard. That is also a good thing.
Posted by on August 4, 2007 05:18 PMNo, I hope that any and all illegals, regardless of country of orging and wether or not they obey the laws now be arrested, deported and fines levied against them, their employer and country of orgin. Such money then could be used to assist in providing increased medical care in the United States and better education at all levels for those who have ALWAYS obeyed and complied with the laws.
Posted by Nick on August 4, 2007 06:46 PMAnon 05:18PM; I posted an example of one way that illegal immigrants have, and are continuing to hurt families from the lower rungs the working class. I will repost the example here and ask a couple of questions after it.
...points regarding the real fallout effecting some members of our society suffer due to the influx and acceptance of cheap illegal labor. Many of the jobs, such as in the service, janitorial and construction industries, which have traditionally provided family supporting income for families of the lower working class are now staffed by illegals.
Since the illegals are willing to work for lower wages (oftentimes under the table cash payments) even jobs still obtainable by the working class are paying artificially suppressed wages. Legal resident employees are faced with the choice of accepting the suppressed wages or losing their jobs to illegal workers.
While many people in our society may look down on such jobs, those jobs do provide the means to hold a family together and provide at least a minimum level of support. With Federal Tax Earned Income Credits and other established assistance programs a family can provide the love and support to encourage their children to get an education and better their lot in life. Take away those jobs (or decent income levels) arbitrarily by giving them to illegal workers, we are cheating a portion of our society out of a fair opportunity at a better life.
Compassion is being shown for the illegal immigrants now in our country. Where is the compassion for these displaced legal residents? Don't they matter? Disruption of the family support unit for the children of these workers are resulting in disastrous consequences -- don't these children matter?
Children from these broken or destitute families have to go an extra step to become educated, move on to college and make a better lot for themselves. The children of the illegals can also go an extra step by, for example, joining the military - in a non combative position - and serve a four year commitment. They not only earn a GI Bill to pay for college, they also earn their way to citizenship which will forever remove the obstacle of being illegal from their path.
Posted by Trinity on August 4, 2007 07:14 PMOk.Truth aka Martha Stewart. I'ts not a good thing for Americans!
Posted by on August 4, 2007 07:59 PMThose small minded souls who don't think the richest nation in the world, a nation adrift with luxury items and drowning in afffluenza, can afford to enable the people living here to acquire a good education are pitiful. Our future greatness does not lie with such small minded people. Despite the desire of so many posters here to do so, our future does not lie in following the example of India and creating a permanent lower caste; rather, it depends very much on how good a job we do educating all of the people living here. If there are citizens not getting the help they should, the answer is to give them the help they should have; the answer is not to deny the help to others.
Posted by Truth on August 5, 2007 02:52 PMTruth you're a closet bigot who feels the only solution to a problem is to spend everyone else's money. Your compassion is without justifiable merit or honesty. Go crawl back into your hole and amuse yourself with the guy who calls himself, An American. You complement each other as being two of the biggest fools on these blogs.
Posted by on August 5, 2007 03:03 PM"Truth":
Your basic argument has a lot of merit. However, as long as businesses can fill jobs at depressed, or undeclared wages with illegal workers as the fulcrum, those jobs are not going to benefit those legal workers in our country.
We supposedly already have laws in place that would give those jobs in question to legal workers, not to illegal. Slowly enforcing those laws in the work place would result in the illegals migrating back to their homes (much better off then when the came here illegally) and reinstating the legal residents in the workplace.
Just as kids growing up in the "underprivileged class" now have to work harder to get an education and move on to college, the children of illegals can work harder (many ways have been outlined in these various threads) and get ahead also -- and that includes ways to not only pay for an education, but pay as legal in-state residents with either legal US resident status, or citizenship (their choice).
I don't object to the kids of illegals getting an education. But, just because their parents chose to jump ahead of others desiring legal immigration, those kids shouldn't be awarded special status.
Posted by Trinity on August 5, 2007 03:32 PMHi, 03:03: it's exciting, isn't it, this waiting for the laws to pass giving the illegal immigrants who qualify a way to become legal, and eventually to become citizens. More excitement: waiting for universal health care. Yet more excitement: waiting for the laws that will enable all the people here to get a good education. Glad you agree, but, man, it sure took a long time to convince you. Good to hear from you. Sounds like you are really enjoying your Sunday.
Posted by Truth on August 5, 2007 03:33 PMPoor, poor Truth you have finally lost it! I knew it was going to happen sooner or later.
Now run along and take your meds you'll feel better in a day or two.
Posted by A on August 6, 2007 05:51 PM