Ending the Iraq war
Everytime President George W. Bush tries to defend the Iraq War he is simply repeating history that we never learned. Earlier this AM, when I was listening to CNN and how the President was going to address some vets in Kansas City, it never ceases to amaze me that he has the nerve to say that “if we were not in Iraq the insurgents would thrive” (and I am paraphrasing him). President Nixon used the the same lines of rhetic in Vietnam, and it didn’t bring our troops home sooner — when will we remember Vietnam mistakes. The truth of the matter is the longer stay the stronger the insurgency is gaining in strength, the civil war in Iraq rages on, and only more of our precious young men and womens lives are dying for a “War of Choice".
The longer the Iraq War lingers on — its only consequences for Americans will be the lose of their sons and daughters. We need to bring OUR TROOPS BACK HOME, NOW AND NOT LATER ON —— The only other way to end this nonsense is for Congress to STOP FUNDING THE TROOPS — so that President George W. Bush cannot continue this insanity — we need the monies from the Iraq War to strengthen our infrastructure, have better health care for everyone, and to teach our children well so that they can survive in the 21st century we a great education. THIS MADNESS MUST COME TO END —-
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hmmmmm, Let's see, repeat of Vietnam.. Yep, the dems force a cut and run strategy and the people of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos pay for it with their lives and visits to Re-education camps. But, that's ok as John Kerry said that many of those people are now doing Ok.....
So, yeah, the dems could bring about a repeat of Vietnam.
oh, and the reason you want the war to end is for you to get your hands on the money that is being spent there.... interesting. Why do you not say you want to just give it back to the taxpayers? Oh, right, the lib mantra, We Want Your Money!
Dravur would obviously rather keep throwing billions of dollars ($453 BILLION so far) down the drain in Iraq than spend it here at home.
Damn tax and war conservatives! They just want to get their hands on our money so they can spend it on anyone but us!
And uh..Dravur...let's go over this one more time since you obviously can't seem to get it....
In 1991, a lot less years ago than the Vietnam and Cambodia that you're still vainly hanging on to, when we had a justifiable reason and the support of the world to invade Iraq and take down Saddam, because he had invaded the sovereign nation of Kuwait...George H.W. Bush chose to cut and run.
And as a direct result of him cutting and running then...we are in Iraq today.
His son tried to justify attacking Iraq because they supposedly had WMD's and were preparing to use them...well, if his father had not cut and run...and had dealt with Saddam 16 years ago...he wouldn't have been there.
Saddam was a Bush family pawn. They could have taken him down but it wasn't convenient to them at that time. So, they waited until it was.
Weak, Dravur...really weak and truly pathetic. Try again.
Posted by Thomas on August 23, 2007 03:49 PMActually Dravur, Iraq won't become a repeat of Vietnam until Congress cuts off funding.
Then it will be exactly like Vietnam.
Posted by KW on August 23, 2007 04:17 PMAmericans were being killed by terrorist attacks long befor Bush became president....hmmmmm, how did that ever happen?
And now we just learned that Tenent, an incompetent Democrat moron in his own right, put Clinton on full alert, but that Bill was more focused on his own plumbing. Hmmmmmmm!
Posted by Hank on August 23, 2007 04:26 PMHey, lets cut -n -run, the Surge is working and we are winning!
Posted by Hank on August 23, 2007 04:47 PMKC & Hank you two are morons. Don't tell me about Veitnam. I was there. That war was no differant then Iraq. It was a gorilla warfare. There was no frontlines to take. You two talk so tough and stand up for that village idiot in the white house and say stay the course. Well tell us all how this war is going to be won. I will be waiting for a good education from two highly skilled field generals.
Posted by larrymc on August 23, 2007 05:19 PMPresident George Bush's latest effort to rally support for his Iraq policy has touched a nerve in Vietnam, where previous US intervention led to the deaths of millions of people.
In a speech to US war veterans yesterday, Mr Bush invoked the Vietnam war, saying that widespread death and chaos would envelop Iraq if the US troops left too quickly, as he claimed had happened when America pulled out of Vietnam three decades ago.
But people in Vietnam, where opposition to the US intervention in Iraq is strong, said today that Mr Bush had drawn the wrong conclusions from the conflict.
"Doesn't he realise that if the US had stayed in Vietnam longer, they would have killed more people?" said Vu Huy Trieu of Hanoi, a veteran who fought against US troops in Vietnam. "Nobody regrets that the Vietnam war wasn't prolonged except Bush."
Vietnam's official government spokesman offered a more measured response. "With regard to the American war in Vietnam, everyone knows that we fought to defend our country and that this was a righteous war of the Vietnamese people," said the foreign ministry spokesman Le Dung. "And we all know that the war caused tremendous suffering and losses to the Vietnamese people."
Mr Dung said Vietnam hoped that the Iraq conflict would be resolved "very soon, in an orderly way, and that the Iraqi people will do their best to rebuild their country".
Although Vietnam opposed the US intervention in Iraq, Mr Dung stressed that ties between Hanoi and Washington had been growing closer since the former foes established friendly relations in 1995.
In his remarks in Kansas City yesterday, Mr Bush said that a hasty retreat from Iraq would lead to terrible violence.
"One unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like 'boat people,' 're-education camps' and 'killing fields'," he said.
But many people in Vietnam said the comparison was ill-considered.
The US could not have overcome the will of the Vietnamese people no matter how many bombs it dropped, said Mr Trieu.
"Does he think the US could have won if they had stayed longer?" Mr Trieu asked. "No way."
The only way to restore order in Iraq was for the US to leave, said Trinh Xuan Thang, a Hanoi university student.
"Bush sent troops to invade Iraq and created all the problems there," he said, adding, "suicide bombing was unheard of before."
If the US withdrew, he said, the violence might escalate in the short term but the situation would eventually stabilise. "Let the Iraqis determine their fate by themselves," Mr Thang said. "They don't need American troops there."
Posted by an idea whose time has come on August 23, 2007 07:26 PMAt what point do the Bush supporters realize that he is making fools out of them?
With every increasingly outlandish claim by Bush -- in this case a clumsy misread of recent history by a 2nd string speech-writer (the good ones have long since left this waning admin) -- you are jumping right up to defend the indefensible, from a historic perspective.
No serious historian, of either liberal or conservative bent (Max Boot for example), is willing to defend this latest analogy. And while it appears to be a prelude to 15 more months of delay (and handing over this war to the next administration to 'lose'), given the universal chuckle the world has had with his audacity, it is unlikely Bush is going to hang onto this analogy much longer.
Standing by your man shouldn't involve being abused by him...and you guys are being made laughing stocks, while he is simply grappling to find some new spin on an old mess.
Posted by on August 23, 2007 07:55 PMIf GW Bush had ever served one minute in Vietnam I might listen to his latest bull.....
he didn't
I won't
golly aren't we heroes for taking on Iraq the size of the state of Kentucky?????????
Posted by janis houston on August 23, 2007 08:37 PMFeel sorry for Bush, this next year is going to be hell for him. Still president, still in charge of Iraq invasion and occupation. Still sliding in the pols. still looking for some light in his tunnel.
Just look at his lined, sad little face. He can`t be a happy man.
Posted by Sharon B. on August 24, 2007 06:57 AMIs there any truth to the rumor that KW, An(ti) American, Hank, Dravur and their buddies are rnlisting and going to Iraq to fight the war they so passionately believe in? Nope, guess not, they are just more 'stay home & hide" Republicans willing to fight their war with the bodies of others. Such brave Americans you are.
Posted by shani on August 24, 2007 06:58 AM"it never ceases to amaze me that he has the nerve to say that “if we were not in Iraq the insurgents would thrive” (and I am paraphrasing him)."
Well, Ms. Lowry, apparently, he didn't have the nerve to say it; you said it, not him. You shouldn't put quotes around a comment that someone didn't say while also inserting "he has the nerve to say". That is misleading.
"The truth of the matter is the longer stay the stronger the insurgency is gaining in strength, the civil war in Iraq rages on, and only more of our precious young men and womens lives are dying for a “War of Choice"."
Where did you learn this "truth". Do you have access to some secret documents that the public has not seen? Perhaps, you have a close personal relationship with General Petraeus and he talks in his sleep a lot. Does Hillary Clinton know this "truth" as well? If she did, why did she admit a few days ago that the surge was working?
I love how your letter eventually becomes a screaming rant. That's what typing words in all upper-case means, you know; it's used to signify screaming or shouting. Was that what you were trying to convey to us? Your histrionic hysteria may be typical of muliebrity, but I think it hinders, rather than helps, the point you were attempting to make.
Posted by John II on August 24, 2007 09:02 AMI do know a bit about Vietnam and Iraq.
To the left: Cindy, do you believe the bombers of the London night club looked at chioces of cars and picked the Mercedes not the van, because the van would hold too many nails? Do you believe the backpacks on the trains carried two pounds of c-4 not three pounds so that fewer people would be killed? Do you believe that the IED that killed my son was planted in Ramadi and not outside FT Carson, because they did not want to hurt soldiers here? My son's grandfather was liberated from German concentration camp, his entire family lost. We can fight this fight or fight the next, you choose, but know the fight is not in doubt, only your life and liberty.
The main reason that Prez George Bush does nothing to stop the illegal war in Iraq is because he, his family and a lot of his friends are making huge profits from the war. Profit from war is a long standing family tradition and it is not gonna stop.
In 1942, The New York Tribune dubbed George Bush's grandfater, Senator Prescott Bush, "Hitler's Angel" for his treasonous banking role in financing and arming the Nazi's. That profit began the Bush family fortune. The hidden history that even the Rocky Mountain News fails to tell the public is that Prescott Bush, after graduating from Yale University, was a tire salesman when he met Dorthy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker, who was very weathy. George Herbert Walker, unhappy that his daughter was going to marry a tire salesman, then gave Prescott a better job at his New York Union Banking Corporation and together with weathy German Fritz Thiessan, they screwed Americans and began to supply the Nazi's with financial support needed to kill Americans during the war.
When the U.S. government closed down the Union Bank, using the 'Trading With The Enemies Act', the Bush family received $1.5 million and that was the beginning of the Bush rise to wealth and power. Prescott became the father of George Herbert Walker Bush then later came George Dubya Bush. And so there you have three generations of War Profiteering,. Genocide, Gangsterism, Corruption and the Rape of the U.S. Constitution. Thes people are crookes and will continue as that is what they do.
THis history of the Bush family should be taught in public school so Americans can learn the real truth the mainstream media hides so well.
Posted by WW on August 24, 2007 03:37 PMcindy you just another liberal that flunk..
Posted by Keith on August 24, 2007 05:57 PMWho Owns You? Video http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18100.htm
Posted by WW on August 24, 2007 07:01 PMAnalogies between Vietnam and Iraq are relevant only in the regard that politicians and politics have prevented the military from achieving victory. The US abandoned a nation in Vietnam. The US allowed a beautiful country with a fragile (though flawed) democracy fall into the hands of a communist regime. The “freedoms” we cherish, what so many progressives so ardently appeal to have never been granted to the Vietnamese people. The US military could have indisputably won that war, hog tied by rules of engagement and bowing to the communists; our politicians lacked the will to win. There are numerous similarities between Iraq and Vietnam but four standout:
1. Politicians determining military strategy instead of military experts.
2. A Democrat controlled Congress lacking in vision and will.
3. A left-wing Press propagandizing the US citizenry.
4. The prevalent notion that our enemies will stop in some distant land.
To Shani-The next time you march in a “gay pride” or "pro murder" parade, be sure to thank citizens like me who served their country and protected you from regimes like Al-Qiada
You got that right Kobetabber.
Posted by Keith on August 25, 2007 10:44 AMKris Hager: I am sorry your son (I think his name was Joshua?) was killed. I wish he hadn't been there. I hope your heart finds peace.
Our Troops are serving for your benefit and freedoms and yes, some are dying, but they are not dying for "Bush" as your crack name implies, they are dying for you - you jerk.
Posted by on August 25, 2007 05:07 PMan idea whose time has come
"...the violence might escalate in the short term but the situation would eventually stabilise (sic). "
Bet you wouldn't be so self assured and smug if your ass was one of the civilians facing being left in the path of retribution after the US knocked down all of your defenses. You're a hypocrite theorizing with other people's lives while you enjoy your Homer Simpson reruns.
It took four years and countless lost lives for SE Asia to stabilize after we broke our promises to the people and pulled out.
Posted by on August 25, 2007 07:06 PMI'm sorry. Didn't mean to post anonymous; left my name off the 07:06 PM post by error.
Posted by krait 2 on August 25, 2007 07:09 PMkrait 2 said:
"It took four years and countless lost lives for SE Asia to stabilize after we broke our promises to the people and pulled out."
Which was a marked improvement over the preceding 15 years in which millions of lives were lost because we decided it was our place to bomb, burn, and kill the people of a sovereign nation who posed us no threat. And by the way, the "countless lost lives" after we left were largely a result of our intervention in the first place.
And what is this "promise" of which you speak? A promise to kill vast numbers of their countrymen in the name of the specious "domino theory"?
Posted by Charles B on August 26, 2007 10:06 AMIraq was a threat to us ,at least that's what both clintons said and kerry,kennedy and others but didn't do anything about it.History repeats it's self with the naysayers.In the 30's it was said Hitler and the Nazi's were not a threat to us,to leave Hitler alone including Joseph Kennedy,teddy's dad.60 million died.Get it!
Posted by Keith on August 27, 2007 08:54 AMhmmmm, The elder bush cut and ran.... Yep and look what happened. Kinda makes the point.
Mr Dung, of the Vietnamese government saying that millions more people would have died if we stayed in Vietnam? You mean his people? yeah, probably. That's the whole point. But after we left, they were able to take their revenge on the people we left. So maybe millions of Dung's people would have died, but our side would not have suffered the loss.
Cutting and running comes at a cost. I hope the Iraqis are willing to pay it if the libs get their way.
Posted by Dravur on August 27, 2007 10:00 AMcindy,If you really wanted to support our troops you would be bitching at the democraps.
Posted by Keith on August 27, 2007 08:08 PM