For most, 9/11 was no ‘overblown’ event
Paul Campos, in his column of Aug. 14, “The Cult of 9/11,” reinforces the fact that there is, among the educated elite, a true indifference for the well-being of the United States and its citizens.
He actually says that it’s high time that we stop wallowing in our obsession with 9/11 and that he considers it an “overblown” event (his words, not mine). He also says that since most fellow Americans didn’t actually know anyone killed on that day, that it is, at best, merely a very disturbing incident that we endured watching over and over again on TV.
I have news for Campos about how most Americans feel: We all knew personally the 3,000 who were killed. They were our neighbors, co-workers, family and friends. They were fellow Americans.
I see where Campos teaches at the University of Colorado. I would think that these statements would give pause to all of those who will soon be writing checks to CU for their kid’s tuition.
Denny Cannon, Littleton
The left with its mouth pieces like campos want people to believe it was all the fault and planned by the right. not just the far right but anyone who opposes thier socialist view of things. No matter what the truth is or who is hurt the left want you to be angry at conservatives in all colors.
The left has an adgenda and it is ANTIAMERICAN in nature. Those who speak loudest and longest for the left do not speak for liberals, but for the fringe of the party.
We in America enjoy the 1st admendment but forget that with freedom comes reposibility. Remember how the Dixie Chicks cried foul. Thier fans held them accountable for thier words and actions. We hit them where it hurt them ... thier pocket books.
Remember people like campos want to say and do whatevr makes them feel good at the expense of others. They have no consideration for others like they claim. Thier actions portray this clearly.
I certainly will not be sending my alumni check this year.
Posted by on August 21, 2007 06:25 AMCampos can't be taken seriously, this socialist is the "Professor Irwin Corey " schollar at CU, Boulder. Since Campos probably didn't personally know any of the 6 million holocaust victims, then by his logic the holocaust probably either never happened or shouldn't be given any historical significance.
This clown is an intellectual midget. And its very unfortunate that folks just like him occupy so big a footprint in academia. The RMN should lose this jerk.
Posted by Hank on August 21, 2007 07:07 AMAccording to the far-left nutjobs,George Bush and the Government secret operatives were responsible for 9/11.The plane that went down in a PA field was a shadow plane,it did not happen.We have no terrorists trying to kill U.S. citizens.It was all made up by the current Administration to start a was in Iraq.
Our sources for this information are Rosie O'Donnel,Michael Moore,And the people who think they have been abducted by space aliens.Oh, and some looney professors and engineers.
Now if I could only find my brainwashing prohibiter hat,I know I'll be safe.
Damn it's gotta be here somewhere! Oh! No! I'm going into a panic attack! I can't find it!
I bet you Bush and his cronies stole it.
While the senseless deaths of 3,000 Americans is indeed tragic and outrageous -- it is time that the president and his cohorts quit using the 9/11 attacks as a justification for everything that they want to do.
We now openly torture people in secret prisons. We allow the government to wiretap our phone calls without probable cause or warrants. We allow the government to censor our coverage of the war.
Using 9/11as an excuse to throw away our Constitutional rights is definitely an overblown, overused and stupid ploy that has been successfully used by the GOP for the past 6 years.
The goals of the 9/11 terrorists were to change our way of life and take away our freedoms. Thanks to the Patriot Act, the terrorists have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
Posted by Tree Hugger on August 21, 2007 09:07 AMTree Hugger you are ignorant! unless you are doing something illegal and calling foriegn countries talking to known terrorist or a criminal element your phones are not tapped. Well maybe yours is with all that pot your smoking but I am certain there is a warrent to listen to your inane conversations.
To address your idea of torture. LOL!!!! you lefties have no clue as to what torture really is. I have yet to read or hear of our troops or government beheading anyone. We do not keep prisoners tied up and physically abuse them on an hourly basis. I suggest you read and look at what former prisoners of the Iranian hostage crisis your icon Carter let go on for 444 days. We alow excercise, access to religious material , and television even. the terrorist do not do that, and they force conversion to thier opprseive ideaology with penalty being death for those who do not convert.
Then again you smoke your pot, live with your head in a hole and believe 9/11was a inside job.
Posted by on August 21, 2007 09:25 AMIslamic terrorists want to destroy us. But, 9/11 was just another act to get us sheep to do what the shadow government wants done. They are both Democrat and Republican. Read the Project for a New American Century. You will see that they needed another Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize opinion of the masses to allow an unwarranted invasion of a country with lots of oil and strategic value. Maybe what they did really was a good thing for the US in the long run. Somehow, I doubt it. Elsewise we would have gotten at least some of the truth by now. Ex-Republican
Posted by on August 21, 2007 09:31 AMI would imagine that the families of those who lost their lives knew their loved ones well.
But I guess some of us could just care less about them and their feelings.
Posted by Heather on August 21, 2007 09:36 AMSo, what is the next thing to ban, anything and everything people say that does not fit in with your private opinions. The first amendment is not a ping pong ball to slap around a personal preference table. Why is it so called Patriotic Americans find it necessary to use kneejerk reactions demanding limiting the freedom of those they don't agree with when the issue is a nonissue for all intents and perposes.
You treat Compos's statement like it's a prophesy of the beginning of the end for the United States when it is just another one man, voice opinion and, do you really think his students are so blindly ignorant and gullible as to buy into everything he says. If that is so, it's the kids parents fault for not giving them the intellectual tools to question the motives behind what people say.
I'm sorry but, I can't get all lathered up over what some obscure teacher at a State College says about something he has no knowledge of. And, I really don't think anybody else should either. All that accomplishes is the exact opposite of what you want. Giving him fame he can cash in on the same way Churchill's fame, or infamy, depending upon how you look at it, will, at some point, offer him a position to cash in on.
Tree Hugger:
"We allow the government to wiretap our phone calls without probable cause or warrants."
Not quite true Tree. With the new laws they don't have to wait for a warrant, but probable cause is still needed.
At least one of the people involved in the communication must be outside the US and at least one must be suspected of terrorist activities.
Posted by KW on August 21, 2007 10:47 AMKW, how naive of you,
One end of the communication must be SUSPECTED to be outside the country. That means every call can be suspected, thus listened in on.
Who will the majority of the calls be on? You can bet suspected terrorists will be low on the list, political rivals and insider business calls are always first when conducting secret surveillance.
If Americans are gullible enough to believe that losing our rights gives us safety, we deserve neither. America was once the home of the brave, now the fear of a phantom menace has us giving up our freedom.
Posted by holy reality on August 21, 2007 12:14 PMThe new executive powers allow Federal agents to arrest a person for absolutely no reason & detain them incommunicado indefinitely. They don't have to be guilty or even suspected of doing anything. All it takes is someone under the President to issue an order to arrest. So, anyone who posts anything that could be deemed detrimental to the war effort in Iraq could be captured and shipped off to Gitmo forever, without cause or charge, and without the Feds even having to acknowledge they have you. You don't have to be calling or emailing or otherwise dealing with those deemed terrorists.
Posted by Jay on August 21, 2007 12:31 PMOf course the 911 debacle has been overblown.
Americans MUST keep their self image as that of the brave nation. It states so in the last line of our national anthem.
But Americans are afraid to deviate from the herd. Any mavericks that do stray from the herd mentality are called names, vicious names, like lickspittle lapdogs.
Why do we attack each other? Because we fail to agree that we need to attack another whole race, or peoples? The left, and right are divided because we are trained to do so. This division puts us at each other's throats. We are all one people. American, Arab, Mexican, African. European, all of us are indestructible if united. Easily duped we are manipulated into destroying each other.
Denny, you take the 911 attack personally, that is why you cannot accept Paul's suggestion that we stop wallowing in our obsession over 911.
Living right is the best revenge, and Americans failed utterly. We now demand that our decider seize dictatorship, and deny our rights. This has played out better than any terrorist attacks ever could have hoped for, if we continue to support this sham we all will lose.
Posted by holy reality on August 21, 2007 12:32 PMKW,
And of course, Your observations come from that position and belief that: "When Daddy - or Big Brother - or AUTHORITY says it's so, it MUST BE so. It just HAS TO BE; because "Authority" never lies. Only you bad, bad, nasty, unbelievers who don't follow "Authority" lie about things."
Which is quite predictable in the True Believer, as you so often show yourself to be.
Ah! Well! I'm sure Santa Claus will find you to be a "very nice boy"; never caught in something as "naughty" as questioning the Party Line. And, the tooth fairy will always leave something extra under your pillow; while the Easter Bunny will see to it that your sweet tooth is never left without abundance of pleasure. Even the Halloween Pumpkin will rise to bless you.
After all, there is the old saying: "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise". And no one would want you to leave the pure bliss of your present world.
Do greet your playmates there in the land of pure imagination; and be sure to share all the benificently bestowed gifts, like the good little fellow you are.
I'm sure the Whiz will be happy to make certain you are always rewarded, just as long as you never open your eyes and yield to that nasty temptation to grow up and begin to learn how to deal with reality. You are all having such delightful fun, no one would want you to lose your way on the Yellow Brick Road.
Posted by Old Grouch on August 21, 2007 12:36 PMHoly Reality said:
KW, how naive of you, One end of the communication must be SUSPECTED to be outside the country. That means every call can be suspected, thus listened in on.
Um, Holy... I don't mean to sound sarcastic, well maybe I do, but, in this age of technology, the feds know immediately if one party on the line is out of the country or not. There's no "suspecting" on that issue.
The "suspecting" is whether or not one of the persons is connected to terrorism. But I will gove you an E for effort since you were appx 50% correct and now we can move to the bonus round...
How many terrorist suspects have been picked up due to the wiretapping? The answer in a moment...
OG - You're having paranoid dillusions again. I think you need a (nother) beer.
I'll buy!
holy reality,clinton used the NSA to listen in on Princess Di's conversations and over seas corporate conversations.Where was the outcry then.Remember clinton the most corrupt,second most incompetent president after carter in my life time.
Posted by Keith on August 21, 2007 12:58 PMIn Germany, after the Reichstag burned, a Communist was arrested and tortured into confession. Thus the terrorist gave Hitler his chance, he demanded from the Germans, power to defend the fatherland from the despicable terrorists.
He then staged a fake attack from those dangerous Poles, terrorists all, the Poles were subdued and the Germans safe, but terrorists were beyond Poland. Germany had to attack and kill all the threats.
The Germans were very proud of their self image of bravery. The Germans descended from fierce warrior tribes, they defeated the three greatest legions of Rome. The Wiemar Republic was a nation of laws, no leader could seize dictatorship, the legislature was the check to balance power.
The Germans, thus proud of their image of bravery, denied the possibility of malintentioned leadership. So proud they cravenly denied the Reichstag attack was self inflicted. Savagely attacked anyone insane enough to publicly speak of it. Germans were so proud of their bravery they had no courage to question the direction their Furher was taking them.
Does any of this sound familiar?
Posted by holy reality on August 21, 2007 01:16 PMAll of you folks condemning the so called wire tapping and other government surveillance programs being instituted in the name of National Security should be asking yourselves a very serious question. If the next president is indeed a Democrat, and that president has a veto proof majority in the legislature, do you believe they will eliminate the laws authorizing such surveillance?
Personally I do not approve of basically unregulated and under supervised surveillance. Getting "official" approval after the fact rubs me the wrong way. The slippery slope to excessive police powers and surveillance is a steep one that must be constantly guarded and caution exercised against.
But I seriously don't believe the political power elites of either party will eliminate, or not justify continuation of, these programs now that they have been established. Nor do I believe that you will see an "enlightened" political leader move to overturn the laws passed in 2006 that have essentially overridden the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which prohibited the use of Federal Troops within (not just to protect) American Borders based solely on the evaluation and declaration of the president.
Once power is achieved in the political arena it is very seldom relinquished. Justification for continuity is found and appeasement to the citizenry is offered with assurances that such powers will only be used frugally and when absolutely necessary to ensure public security.
Posted by Trinity on August 21, 2007 01:17 PMKeith, thanks for your reply.
I agree, Clinton did much to extend the globalist agenda. Secret surveillance always leads to abuse and corruption.
I am no fan of the Clinton family nor the Bush family. Both are in the CLUB, this club is not working to make Americans lives better, safe, nor free.
This cabal controls who gets elected and pulls the puppet strings of the POTUS. The last president/member who tried to cut the strings died in a planned guantlet and subsequent coverup.
What Americans must do is realize that the artificial division will destroy us. We need to educate ourselves in the role the Federal Reserve Bank has. How the CFR, Trilaterals, and Bilderbergs control those puppet strings.
We are manipulated in every waking moment, think for yourself, question authority, and kill your television.
Posted by holy reality on August 21, 2007 01:27 PMYour comments about the September 11, 2001 events, Can I get an Amen, make it clear that you have not actually spent much time, if any, studying what occured on that day and that is why you have not received and 'Amen' from anyone as of yet.
You state that "Our sources for this information is Rosie O'Donnel, Michael Mooore and the people who think they have been abducted by space aliens. Oh and some looney professors and engineers".
It sounds like you have been imagining that you can one can somehow get a clear understanding of what occurred on 9/11 from simply watching Rosie on' The View' or other trash on corporate controlled American TV, instead of reading some of the many books that have the ability to demonstrate that the U.S Governments account of the events of 9/11 are impossible. You do like to read non-ficition, except for the Bible, don't you?
Have you read and comprehended the many lies and ommissions listed in the government controlled '9/11 Commission Report'? Before you can justify your silly and uninformed comments, this should be one book that you have already become familiar with Amen..
This book is available for free at most libraries and is the official fairy tale account. How about the part where the 9/11 commission says, as fact, that the World Trade Towers center section contained a "hollow shaft" when the truth is that these towers actually had huge box cores consisting of 47 massive steel beams and columns that reached from deep below ground level all the way to the top of these 110 story structures? Why did the report decide to lie about this simple fact?
How about the part where they decided to omit the fact that World Trade Center Building 7, a 47 story tall steel framed highrise, that was not hit by an airplane, and collapsed at free fall speed in 6.5 seconds and resembled a controlled demolition at 5:20 PM on 9/11? They avoided it completely. Why?
Professor David Ray Griffin has written book 'The 9/11 Commission and Ommission" in which he lists over 100 lies and or ommissions in the official report. He also challenged Popular mechanics with an excellent debunking titled 'Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of The Offical 9/11 Conspiracy Theory' Be brave, Can I Get an Amen, turn off the boob tube and read some books that challenge the ridiculous government fairy tale.
Log on to http://www.patriotsquestion9/11.com
and discover the leel headed citizens that do not believe the governments 9/11 conspiracy theory and simply request an independent investigation into the events of 9/11.
ww 01:34 PM
Your provided link is dead - conspiracy?
Web address correction:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
Posted by WW on August 21, 2007 01:49 PMOh and some looney professors and engineers.
Yup that sums up the entire list at the provided link, only loonies and moonbats will question the government.
Posted by holy reality on August 21, 2007 02:47 PMThis web article helps to explain the corporate controlled media blackout on the events of 9/11. They are paid shills for government propaganda.
'The Media Monopoly's Code of Silence'
http://www.globaloutlook.ca/Store/Magazines/12/12ed.htm
Posted by WW on August 21, 2007 03:25 PMA good point! Campos' column is a nothing less than a show of contempt for the 3000 men and women who died in the World Trade Center.
Posted by Brian Stuckey on August 21, 2007 03:31 PMSpeaking of fairy tales WW, you sure are good at spinnin your own, I suppose in your sweet little la-la land The Holocaust didn't happen either......
Posted by Heather on August 21, 2007 03:45 PMLa La Land Heather? Sure the Holocaust happened, that is historic fact. What the government says happened on 9/11 is what is the fairy tale and is easily debunked by investigation.
Let's discuss the fairy tales on the governements official '9/11 Commission Report' that was directed by George Bush insider Phillip Zelikow. You have read the entire report right Heather? Professor David Ray Griffin wrote an excellent challenge book that I mentioned above and refers to the official report as a 537 -page lie. What was you opinion on that rebuttal of the official report Heather? Dont be in La la land Heather? Fire has never caused a steel framed high rise to collapse anywhere in the world, except in the US governments fake 9/11 fairy tale..
KW:
OG has you nailed. You simply believe everything that you're told by the government.
Nobody knows what they're doing with their powers except the executive branch, because the judicial oversight has been removed and the fox is guarding the hen-house.
Posted by Charles B on August 21, 2007 04:24 PMI have a couple of questions: 1- A few years back Payne Stewart's private jet veered off course and within 20 minutes had military jets escorting the doomed plane. Why were no jets scrambled when 4 major airliners go that far off course? Why was the military doing simulated exercises regarding terrorists attacks far removed form the actual area? Why did Bush say he saw the first plane hit the tower on TV and thought it was pilot error? No buildings in history have fallen like the twin towers after being hit by an airplane (yes it has happened before). Why couldn't they find the black boxes but supposedly found a passport belonging to one of the terrorists. And finally, why the stonewalling by the Bush paople over investigating the incident? Buehler, Buehler, anyone?
Posted by Mike D. on August 21, 2007 07:05 PMCharles-
Isn't it wonderful what your fellow "progressives" believe?
Any thoughts?
Posted by Get Real on August 21, 2007 09:43 PMOk 'Get Real'. Let us know what YOU believe, as it must be also wonderful and groovy! Tell em Get real! We can't wait..
Posted by on August 21, 2007 10:31 PMIn 2001, the mortality in people under 65 years of age due to Motor vehicles was 35,154.
3,971 people between 15-24 comitted suicide.
In the age group 25-34, there were 5,070 suicides, cancer killed 3,994, and Heart Disease killed 3,160.
In the age group 35-44, Heart Disease killed 13,326 and HIV killed 5,867, while 6,635 comitted suicide, and Liver Disease killed 3,336.
So is it only when somebody else kills us that we get upset?
Get Real tried really hard:
"Charles-Isn't it wonderful what your fellow "progressives" believe?
Any thoughts?"
Why would it be up to me to defend the thoughts of others? I know the concept might be foreign to you, but I come up with my own thoughts. Those are the ones I will defend.
Posted by Charles B on August 22, 2007 07:52 AMBango:
"So is it only when somebody else kills us that we get upset?"
Auto accidents and illness are assumed risks. One can have reasonable expectation and choose what level of risk they expose themselves, to a degree.
Are you suggesting terrorist attacks should now be added to the list of assumed risks in our daily lives?
Posted by KW on August 22, 2007 08:30 AMAnyone who takes the time to go to their local library and read the Official 9/11 Commission Report will understand that it is full of lies, ommissions and BS.
Here is a critque of that bogus U.S Government Official 9/11 Commission report : By David Ray Griffin
'The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/571-page-lie.htm
Posted by ww on August 22, 2007 11:55 AMI have yet to see any proof that it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon. You would think that the FEDS would want to end the conspiracy theorists once and for all by showing any number of their digitally recorded tapes from the hundreds of cameras around the Pentagon. They could shut up all disbelievers with a few different angles showing conclusively what hit the Pentagon. The only tape ever released did not show what hit the building. It could not be used to boost the opinion of either side of the debate.
It only furthered speculation. And why were the tapes from all the businesses and the hiway tapes around the Pentagon confiscated by the Feds and never shown publicly? Hasn't anyone out there ever asked themselves these questions?
The official government LIE about the Pentagon attack and the supposed plane that crashed into it is that the airplane "vaporized". These planes had titanium engines that each weighed in at 6000 pounds and we are supposed to believe that? Ha HA! And in addition, the crash site showed no signs of wings, seats, wheels, luggage, tail section or anything else from a 757 airliner and yet the government claims they recovered body parts and DNA evidence. The 9/11 Commission Report does not answer what happened. What are they hiding?
Posted by ww on August 22, 2007 01:26 PMww,"child left behind".
Posted by Keith on August 22, 2007 01:38 PMKeith, 'A man without a clue"
Posted by ww on August 22, 2007 02:17 PMhttp://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Posted by on August 22, 2007 03:21 PM"Are you suggesting terrorist attacks should now be added to the list of assumed risks in our daily lives?"
Yep, for as long as the US supports dictators in the Middle-East and dinks around with the geopolitical dynamics in any region to "protect strategic interests", guerilla attacks are not just a probability, but a certainty.
If you insist on a steady supply of foreign oil and a gasoline price much under $5, you have to pay the price in taxes for military and covert operations, and the risks that go with those.
What the US does to secure its “interests” has collateral risks and harms a great many people in those regions. It motivates them to action, and since they have no ability to obtain relief in the UN, they will inevitably resort to violence at some point.
The US citizen and taxpayer pay the price for that either in money or blood, and also in lost freedoms.
Simple stuff really, there is always a price to pay when one fiddles with stuff.
Bango Wimpy Shank,you are so full of it! But as long as the people have no idea what you are talking about, the little people that think they have the power to edit your nonsense will let you pretend that you make any sense. Just never criticize Keith, the idiot..
Posted by on August 22, 2007 09:38 PM9:38 - Pay Bango no mind. He's a guest here for one, and seeing how every one of his posts critisizes the US in one way or another tells me he's a very, very angry little man.
Why else would you move from the UK to live in a country who's policies chafe you far worse than super-course sandpaper undies?
Posted by KW on August 23, 2007 09:37 AMThere is something akin to a mental disorder in people who resist change and won’t even admit when things aren’t going according to their fantasy. I think it has to do with being a coward.
It’s a pity neither of you have the rocks to face what your own country gets up to.
Sort of childish cowardice really, I have never had much time for the weenies that turn their face from the reality of what goes on to secure "interests".
You insulate your little world with a little fake fairy-tail that you call “Conservatism”, but which really is just being a lazy coward.
You want the goodies, you want the puffed out ego of being in the most powerful country, you want to believe you are pure and honorable, but you want it to come easy and not be messy. You want to claim Christianity and morals, but you don’t actually want to do anything to earn that, you want it to be a birthright of some sort.
The biggest problem is you don’t really understand your own country.
You certainly don’t understand the planet you are on, which is why you push against science, and particularly evolution.
You live in a country with unprecedented freedoms and wonderful opportunities, and this is what you do with them.
Not sad as much as revolting.
P.S. Funny sort of guest that pays taxes.
That sure is an aweful lot of anger brewing beneath the surface of a very unhappy person.
BTW - The taxes you pay are the cost of living in this great country. You know, the country (and people) you constantly trash with posts like the one above.
Posted by KW on August 24, 2007 09:36 AMAs usual KW, you got it backwards.
I am pleased as punch, but I base that on knowing what actually goes on, whereas you are a fraidycat that clings to a fantasy and are unwilling to face reality.
Taxes aren't a "cost of living" and especially not from your Conservative viewpoint, so spare me the guff.
I trash stupidity and cowardice, not the country or the people.
I know you have trouble understanding that mate, but there it is.