Iraq
1. Millions of Iraqis are going to die whether U.S. troops are there or not. Until Iraqi factions want to stop their slaughter of each other and form a unified country, Iraqi deaths will continue to pile up. Only they have the means to stop it.
2. If Bush is correct, the terrorists are fanatics who are spread around the world with no thought in mind but to kill Americans and anyone who is not an Islamic extremist. Terrorists did not exist in Iraq in any numbers of any significance before we attacked Iraq. Our withdrawing would not affect their motives or their plans for new attacks anywhere else in the world. Fighting such a small contingent of AQ in Iraq does not in any way keep them from more 9/11s here.
3. If the insurgents in Iraq are capable of fighting to a standstill the most powerful military nation in the world because their government will not resolve their problems, but also because they do not want us to occupy their land, they would not accept Al Qaeda’s occupation of their land either. AQ in Iraq represents about 1% of those we are fighting there according to the Pentagon. It seems to me that the Iraqis have proven they are capable of removing AQ from their country as well.
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Peg,What color is the sky in your world?
Posted by on August 10, 2007 02:16 PMPeg, what about the fact that uninvited, we invaded that country and turned it upside down. You don't believe we have a moral obligation to stabilize it?
The Iraquis haven't fought us to a stand still. They weren't supposed to be the enemy which is why invading Iraq was such a stupid thing to do. President Bush decided they had to have a democracy among other things and now he needs to decide to start killing them in numbers which would cause them to create the kind of government he wants them to have if we are ever to "win" in Iraq.
No one who voted for the invasion of Iraq should be elected again to any office.
Posted by Dona Dunsmore on August 10, 2007 03:03 PMGlad to see all you have all the answers. I can rest my mind now....
Posted by on August 10, 2007 03:11 PMDona D said:
"...uninvited, we invaded that country and turned it upside down. You don't believe we have a moral obligation to stabilize it?"
I agree with most of your post, but not this. We don't have the right to be in Iraq. Our moral obligation is to get out.
Posted by Charles B on August 10, 2007 05:20 PMMost of the people have already "checked out" of the Iraqi civil war......
Now if we can just "check out" our troops.
Peg and her international expertise can take care of the rest of the mess while her polcies stablize the region...or not.
Bring our troops home now. I respect that they fight with honor...we must respect their honor and loyality by bringing them home...
Let's truly "check out" now. "Peace in our time!"
2:16 and 3:11 - presumably you are the same person. Too bad the best you can do against a reasoned and good faith response is to offer a juvenile belittleing sneer. Your response validates everything the author said.
Posted by Liam on August 11, 2007 07:01 AMcharles b.,If clinton would of did his job we wouldn't of had to go in,plus no 9/11.Check the facts.
Posted by bart on August 11, 2007 08:41 AMBart,
You say we had to invade Iraq because Clinton fucked up?
LOL
That is the very best zinger I have heard this year:)
Never mind the PNAC plans to invade before the 2000 election, Never mind the Downing Street Memos that listed tactics to get Saddam to shoot down a fraudulent UN airplane.
Bush just had to invade because Clinton didn't get Osama's head on a platter. Clinton didn't invade Iraq after the '93 WTC bombing (the justice department only caught and imprisoned the culprits)
Bush had to invade Iraq because Clinton didn't attack Chad and Sudan after the Cole bombing. He only tracked the bombers and had a case ready to bring them in, for Bush to finish in 2001.
Bush had to invade Iraq because Clinton's Bin Laden unit was ordered to abandon the Bin Laden money trail in Bush's very first executive order.
And Bush just had to invade Iraq because he ignored FBI experts warning him in person of airplane attacks. "you've covered your asses now"
RIIIIIGHT, It IS all Clinton's fault, if he was not so concerned with female oral attention he could have made us safe so Bush would not have needed to invade Iraq to keep us safe.
Posted by Holy Reality on August 11, 2007 10:04 AMWell, gee-whiz, if "millions of Iraqi are going to die whether the U.S. troops are there or not," why not just let them all die anyway and then send the U.S. troops in?
Posted by Hans Christian Brando on August 11, 2007 11:06 AM"I would not be President if it wasn't for Billy Graham," says W. Bush on 20/20 Friday which means that Billy is responsible. The Christians got America into Iraq. America's Taliban seeks to "teach all nations."
Deicide Corner: “Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.” --Philanthropist/Microsoft entrepreneur Bill Gates
Posted by Richard Grimes r22037@yahoo.com, Deicide ffrf.org. Web: http://www.geocities.com/r22037/think.html on August 11, 2007 12:58 PMYo Peg Reed (Reed, my favorite judge on the bench now retired): I got carried away with my brilliance that so enchants so many, I forgot to compliment you on your letter. Me, Deicide and horny enough to be a TV evangelist.
Posted by RG on August 11, 2007 01:05 PMCharles B, I am not saying we have a right to be in Iraq. I said once we invaded the country and created all this turmoil, we have a moral obligation to at least stabilize it.
BTW, has anyone noticed how the administration and its supporters are now unanimously calling this our war against Al Queda in Iraq? One of the worst things about this is I have yet to meet a Bush devotee who even knew about PNAC before voting for him and Cheney. One of them asked me if that was a black helicopter kind of thing.
Posted by Dona Dunsmore on August 11, 2007 01:59 PMMs. Dunsmore,
How do you propose to "stabilize" another country's Civil War, one between religious factions at that? And one that has been going on for some 1100+ years now, as well?
Posted by Old Grouch on August 11, 2007 02:12 PMOld Grouch
You could pray for peace.
Posted by on August 11, 2007 10:34 PM10:34 PM anonymous,
I rather suspect that a whole lot of people have been doing that for the 1100+ years of the conflict. Doesn't seem to have produced any results so far. Got any suggestions for something that might work?
Posted by Old Grouch on August 12, 2007 12:17 AM