New Jersey killings
The New Jersey execution-style killings of 3 young, promising black students and the shooting of another young girl, turns my stomach. Is anyone in government finally going to do something about sanctuary cities? What are we doing to our own people?
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Get the liberals out of government you will get rid of sanctuary cities like Denver.
Posted by Keith on August 18, 2007 02:03 PMIt's an OUTRAGE! This cannot go on!
Posted by jane on August 18, 2007 02:13 PMInvoking Executive Privilege, W. Bush could carry out the whim of Keith; however, Bush supports sanctuary cities as evidenced in his quest to grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants.
Posted by rg r22037@yahoo on August 18, 2007 02:36 PM2:36pm; Are you implying that if we voted in Gore or Kerry that they would have done something about illegal immigration?
Posted by Brain on August 18, 2007 03:24 PMBrian
Not a chance. The Democrats are just as beholding to the big corporate and other special interest groups as are the Republicans. Both parties will support the status quo unless their feet are held to the fire by the general electorate.
Posted by Trinity on August 18, 2007 03:57 PMWe have had a step in the right direction. The house passed a measure spearheaded by Tom Tancredo that would eliminate federal alloted money to cities that declare sanctuary.
You may not like Tancredo but he is right on ILLEGALS
Posted by on August 18, 2007 04:42 PMNo one has done anything to enforce our immigration laws for decades.
This animal was let go after he had a rap sheet as long as a mile and I heard someone say on the news that his legal status didn't keep him from having the same rights that you or I do. INCREDIBLE!!!! (I believe it was the chief prosecutor on the case answering questions at a news conference).
Citizens (LEGAL) should be marching in the streets over this one. For God sake, he was sexually molesting a little girl for 5 years and nothing happened!! He should have been rotting in jail but instead was free to murder 3 innocent people.
And people give Tom Tancredo a hard time...
Posted by c on August 18, 2007 06:40 PMOh, come on, C, where's your human compassion. The man was only here to escape starvation, an impoverished life with no future and the opportunity to make something of himself for his family. It wouldn't have been fair to imprison him for any little minor transgressions or misunderstandings. After all, we are the land of opportunity.
Shame on you.
Posted by on August 18, 2007 06:48 PM6:48 Shame on you!
Misplaced sympathy illegal immigration and illegal aliens have caused the U.S.A. major headaches, and it will only worsen.
Tell your human compassion story to the families of these college students, Donnie Young and the 48,000 Americans illegal aliens have killed in the U.SA. since September 11th, 2001.
Ben:
Next time, rather than just let the sarcasm pour off my words, I'll alert you to the fact the over-exaggeration and drippy sympathy is SARCASM
"wouldn't have been fair to imprison him for any little minor transgressions or misunderstandings"
Do you think any rational human being (outside of poster Truth) could believe that molesting children is a minor transgression or little misunderstanding?
Next time I'll write the screen play with descriptive side action and dialog explanations.
Posted by on August 18, 2007 07:25 PMAug 18, 6:48 PM
I got it right away. Sarcasm is sometimes the only way to handle this immigration mess other than getting hoarse from SCREAMING.
And still THEY don't hear........
Posted by c on August 18, 2007 08:30 PMI'm not sure it's a good argument to judge all "illegals" on the actions of one. It may be shocking, but legal citizens are also sometimes criminals. GASP.
Posted by Kyle on August 18, 2007 10:20 PMKyle
We have enough home grown criminals without having to deal with additional ones here illegally. And, of course, an argument can be made that some of our home grown criminals turn to crime because they either can't get a job due to the preference for cheap illegal labor; or, that the jobs they can get have such low wages due to the cheap illegals working in the marketplace that they can't make ends meet and turn to crime out of frustration or desperation.
A major point of contention in this case is that even though the perpetrator had been arrested multiple times for other misdemeanors and felonies, and his illegal status was known by authorities, he was not held in custody for the crimes committed or on an immigration hold. His crimes and/or illegal status were implicitly condoned by the "sanctuary policy" mindset of the authorities in this jurisdiction.
Posted by Trinity on August 18, 2007 10:49 PMI take RTD to and from work. Yesterday at 7th and Sheridan I observed a Mexican behind the bus bench with his pants down taking a crap. Unbelievable. Send em home I say!
Posted by Kenneth on August 18, 2007 11:15 PMAnon @ 7:25, Oh sarcasm, The blogs must be running together on me.
Kenneth, I see them urinating in parking losts of businesses on a regular basis. They are immune from following laws you know.
(Sarcasm)
Kyle
Don't be naive. We have tons more crimes being committed because of illegals.
Don't judge all illegals on the actions of ONE? Oh, please! I wish we could talk face to face. There's not enough room on this page to list all the crimes committed by illegals.The FIRST one is when they sneak over here.
Read the paper - listen to the news. They have crashes and run from the scene (No insurance or license) just to name a BIG one.
Another big one is stealing the identity of innocent LEGAL citizens. How about stealing the identity of the dead! Another one is getting paid under the table while you and I are taxed to the hilt. I could go on and on.
Sympathy for ILLEGALS will only drag us down further.
Posted by c on August 19, 2007 07:21 AMI mentioned getting paid under the table in my previous post but forgot to mention how EMPLOYERS, including the Rocky Mountain News, should be fined big time for this illegal activity (understand their warehouse is little Mexico and no doubt employs many illegals. Others have quit because of this. That's another problem they have caused).
Posted by c on August 19, 2007 07:25 AMThis forum really gets me going!
Kenneth mentioned that he takes the RTD at 7th and Sheridan. He saw a Mexican taking a crap behind a bus bench. Did anyone yell at the guy that this is not (yet) a third world country and we don't crap anywhere it's convenient?
Just another contribution they make--contributing to the good health of all of us. HA! Nothing like the spread of disease!
And they are the main ones working in our restaurants. A thought to ponder, huh?
Posted by c on August 19, 2007 07:34 AMIt's only going to get worse until our "politicians" wake up and smell the coffee instead of the dollar signs. Our governor nor our mayor are doing anything to stop the illegals, in fact, they play the stupid card and state this isn't a sanctuary city. Bull crap. I think it is time for all who are against this invasion to take to the streets and show our stance before it is too late.
Posted by mi on August 19, 2007 08:38 AMYou can thank the liberals for this whole mess. Every time this issue comes up, there will be some liberal labeling conservatives racist, liberals come up with their own interpretation of the constitution to protect this scum, protest politicians like Tancredo who wants to do something about it, and make human rights issues out of US laws as racists bigoted on it’s own. So what did you people expect? Just keep voting for liberal Democrats, put liberal judges in charge, and be happy.
Posted by Uno on August 19, 2007 10:26 AMKyle said:
"I'm not sure it's a good argument to judge all "illegals" on the actions of one. It may be shocking, but legal citizens are also sometimes criminals. GASP."
Kyle, you have blood on your hands. I blame you for those killings.
No one said all illegals are killers. You know this. Yet, you chose to dilute the argument anyway with your whiny bleeding-heart babble. Not only do I blame you for those murders, I blame you for every other murder in this country. It is because of losers like you that we don't have a stronger police presence where it's tragically needed. You cry police brutality at the drop of a hat. It's because of you we have to ask for permission from the government to own and carry a gun despite the rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. It's because of you that we cannot build a wall on our southern border. It's because of you that we cannot deport illegals. Yes, George Bush is an obstacle. But the House could easily override him if Democrats were on board.
I blame you, Kyle. You are the enemy to hard-working, tax-paying citizens in this country. Your punishment: Go to the people of Newark and tell them what you just told us.
Posted by John II on August 19, 2007 10:41 AMWhether your rep. is Democrat or Republican it is time (past time) to make sure what their stand is on ILLEGAL immigration and vote accordingly; it is sad that we have let this get out of hand to deny that it is out of control is (governer, mayor) not doing your job!
Posted by Brain on August 19, 2007 10:41 AMmi:
Of course Denver is a sanctuary city. Mayor Hickenlooper made his personal wealth which allowed him to jump into politics in the restaurant business where he employed many illegals to his benefit. One of his restaurant's illegals even executed a Denver cop.
Keep in mind the term introduced above: plausible denial ability. Businesses and politicians (often times one and the same like the mayor) love and abuse that term. They claim they did their due diligence but they're just lining their own pockets with cheap slave labor while accepting as real false documents.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 11:13 AMJohn II
You're right in pointing fingers at people like "Kyle" and others with a similar mindset (i.e., "Truth" a regular defender of illegals) as enablers of the illegal immigration catastrophe we are facing in this nation.
Besides becoming a magnet for the actual criminal elements in the originating countries, we have more crime committed by illegals either intentionally or out of necessity from those who did actually come to work.
An example of this would be an illegal alien driving without license or insurance, a crime in its self, and being in an accident. Quite often the response is to bolt the scene and leave the vehicle behind - a vehicle registered under a false name. They just buy another vehicle under another name.
Identity theft isn't just limited to the total assumption of someone's identity. An illegal who just fabricates a SS number on an application can be stealing an identity on the books of the IRS and SSA. A prime example of this happened to me when I worked out of this country all of 2004. I had no US based income as I worked for a foreign company in another country. I filed my tax return as required only only to have the IRS contact me in 2006 asking why I hadn't declared the $23+K "I earned" in California during 2004 as reported by a landscape employer on his annual W3. Took 14 months to get that resolved.
Besides the theft of jobs from the working class, the artificial suppression of wages for all other jobs as the employers know that they can eventually hire illegals at lower rates, we have a major problem with legal American worker displacement which is contributing to serious socio-economic problems.
Enablers of this destruction of the American working class and the escalating crimes being committed by illegals should be continually called out so the average citizen can see who is behind and/or assisting in making the problem worse rather part of the remedy.
Unfortunately support of the illegal immigrants is not limited to the businesses who hire them and the politicians who are either seeking business support or new voters, and thus justify no action to remedy the problem. We also have the crusaders who take the defense of the illegals based on misguided compassion for the criminals who illegally crossed the borders while ignoring the damage being down to our society starting at the working class and continually moving up the socio-economic ladder.
Posted by Trinity on August 19, 2007 11:45 AMWell said, Trinity.
So, the next two questions are these:
1) How do we identify and expose the enemies to hard-working, tax-paying American citizens? Perhaps, we should create a list. For example, in addition to Kyle, Truth, Mr. Bush, and Democrats, we could add the Associated Press, Reuters, and CNN for their complicity in regards to this issue. After all, these so-called "news" organizations are nothing more than shills for the liberal establishment. The proof of this is in their constant use of the term "migrant workers" or "undocumented immigrants"; their stories about right-wingers opposing immigration in general; their reluctance to report that a crime was actually committed by an illegal alien.
2) After we have identified our enemies, how do we punish them for the enormous damage they have done to this country? We do have, as many are aware, many options.
Posted by John II on August 19, 2007 12:49 PMAfter Raul Gomez shot and killed Donnie young in cold blood and ran to Mexico. The only way to bring him to justice was to allow a corrupt government tell us what our justice system could do to him. Life with the possibility of parole. No death sentence.
To add insult to injury of Mr. Young's family It was found out that Gomez was illegal and working in the one of the mayor's restaurants.
Where was the outcry against the mayor.? The silence was deafening. Was his business fined? Were they raided to make sure no more workers were illegal?Did the mayor even come out in public and appologize for hiring an illegal who killed a cop with a family"Not that I am aware of.
The new name for Mayor John Hichenloopey, should be "The Teflon John"
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 19, 2007 01:19 PMTo all posters-
Check out the Perspective section of today's paper and read "in the Midwest, Bring on the Immigrants"
Get your blood pressure meds ready!
I have made three attempts to post and keep getting the message that Service is temporarily unavailable due to downtime or capacity problems--more than likely unavailable due to capapcity problems. The website must be exploding with outrage!
When you attempt to add your opinion your entire post disappears. Very frustrating!
Posted by c on August 19, 2007 01:35 PMJohn II - Add to your list the Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News. A young man who works for me related how he and his wife had a delivery route with the Denver Newspaper Agency (the business arm of the two, combined papers). At the time that they left their position he said that the distribution center where they picked the papers each morning was like little Mexico. Hardly anyone spoke English, Spanish being the predominate one. You could even arrange to purchase identity establishing documentation or false IDs through other delivery people right there at work.
There's a better discussion of the RMN & DP using illegal aliens under the thread "Rocky Woes".
Geoff L.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 01:44 PMCIgaAmen - Of course Hickenlooper is not going to apologize. He made his personal wealth by hiring cheap illegal slave wage labor. That's how he parlayed his way into politics. He actively supports illegal immigration and will do nothing to disturb the status quo. As long as he mouths the same old rote about Denver not being a sanctuary city the sheep who elected him will keep right on ignoring the high working class unemployment, especially among young blacks,and keep electing their idol. And they wonder why there so much gang activity and other juvenile crimes -- the young of the working class have nothing to look forward to but unemployment and/or low wages due to the cheap slave labor their own mayor profits from.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 01:52 PMAfter the horrible murders of three black students that were going somewhere positive in their short lives,what needs to happen know is huge demonstrations from the black community that are directly impacted by illegals. Where is Jesse Jackson? Where is Al sharpton? Where is the outrage from the black community?
I think if Jackson and Sharpton would get of their high horses and stop being outraged when a white person commits a crime against a black,(Which is rare) and start standing up and getting their people to start protesting against illegals,maybe our politicians will listen. Black people do vote.
What happened to these bright up and coming students is only a microcosm of the crime the illegals are doing in this country.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 19, 2007 02:07 PM"UNCLE OBAMA's CABIN". He and his 42 kids are virtually useless, in defending blacks from criminal illegal Mexicans. They fear poll backlash from Latinos overall. Latinos are using this fear to take advantage of blacks, with regards to the disbursement of federal funds in jobs and contracts.
I recently encountered Denver SBA CEO Deherrera. She and Linda "Wonder Woman" Alvarez, have turned this SBA office into a "cash-cow" for both illegal and legal Mexicans. I've earned federal contracting and job preferences by serving in 3 deployments to Vietnam. I didn't see these racist cows while I was there.
I applied for my federal backed $150K Patriots Express business loan through this SBA office. DeHerrera dismissed me to the Colorao Enterprise Fund (CEF). The CEF told me I could only borrow $25K. This is racism at its worst and indicative of why blacks can't get federal business or housing loans. Meanwhile, back at the cabin, Obama and his posse are singing stanzas from "We Shall Overcome".
CEF is committing federal funds fraud, waste, and abuse. The US Dept. of Treasury secretary has accountability, responsibility, oversight, and stewardship into CEF's and SBA's disbursement of these federal funds. I made a shout out to US Sen. Shamnesty Salazar (surrender monkley, defeatist, draft dodger, and communist-sider) , but he couldn't hear me, because he was too busy counting the $484K (my blood-loot) he just got in federal farm subsidies. I just know Shamnesty isn't using my blood-loot to employ criminal illegal Mexicans on his family farms.
Tomorrow bright and early, I'll be standing tall in Uncle Tancredo's office.
Posted by centennialslavebehinddacottoncurtain on August 19, 2007 02:20 PMI'm thinking you have to put a lid on your compassion and think in terms of the life form that you are which is equal to that of a cockroach, a rat, a flower. There is so much wickedness generated by humans toward each other such as Dateline's venture into an arena where 8 year old girls younger and older are forced to perform fellatio (for Keith that means oral sex) on Americans. About 42,000 children die daily from starvation; genocide goes on and on. Like it or not it is folly to feel compassion. If compassion wiped out inhumanity I'd say embrace it. To feel compassion for illegal immigrants is like feeling compassion for 8-year-old girls sold into sexual bondage. There is nothing that can be done to wipe out inhumanity. Bill Gates is giving $billions to foreign nations e.g. cure for aids, condoms while our infrastructure is collapsing. Feed the hungry and they will just spew from the womb more to be fed. For one who compassion rescues a million are not abated. Jan Herron writes of "sanctuary cities" which seems compassion at work in an exercise in futility. Militate against Nature and you err. Other life forms eat each other and provide a balance; humans need to comply with Nature's edict or suffer enormous consequences which are the consequences nature had in mind anyway: Eat, Sleep, have Babies, and Die. If you can't put an end to human suffering completely purge yourself of compassion. Compassion performed half-assed does more harm than good. I take back my tears when I imagine what those little girls endure; however, my compassion for them will only injure, not cure. Ends before the moderator takes away my soap box.
Posted by RG Risen Ape/Deicide r22037@yahoo on August 19, 2007 02:21 PM40acres/centennialslave receives direct deposit a pension for feigned disability far in excess of what ten illegal immigrants combined take home and he continues to squawk and squawk and squawk and his squawking is driving me up the wall. Can it you a-hole.
Posted by jvd on August 19, 2007 02:33 PMjvd
Irregardless of the alleged feigned disabilities, 40acres/centennialslave does make a very valid observation regarding the abandonment of the legal minorities in this country, whether born here or LEGAL immigrants, in favor of embracing the new "darling social project" of the compassionate do-gooders.
Preferences are given to hiring illegals over legal workers as they will work cheaper and not complain about unfair treatment or abuses in order to keep their jobs (or simply move to another employer hiring illegals and be replaced by another illegal).The lower costs of hiring the illegal is reflected in the profit margin of the employer, not the product or service price to the consumer. Additionally, preferences are given to the illegals as referenced in 40acres letter on the pretext of non-discrimination due to immigrant status -- just another way of supporting the illegal presence by social do-gooders financed by big business influenced politicians; your tax dollars working to encourage the entrenchment of illegals in our society.
The destruction of the lower level of the working class is almost complete. We have over a 30% (and up to 52% according to some analysis) unemployment in the black working class community. Many of those unemployed are long past unemployment benefits and not officially included in the "official unemployment" figures released by the government.
When you hear Mike Rosen or some other pundit extolling how strong our economy is based on an essential full employment (less than 5% unemployment nationally), they are being disingenuous to say the least. Only the people officially drawing unemployment are included in that figure. Not included are those whose benefits have expired and are still unemployed. Conservative estimates by economists place the TRUE unemployment in this country at 12%-14%.
Holding down the wages at the bottom levels of the working class is weighing as an anchor on the wages paid the middle class workers above. In other words, the employment of cheap illegal workers is artificially suppressing the wage levels throughout the working middle class.
Posted by Trinity on August 19, 2007 04:21 PMTrinity: There is no such word as 'irregardless'. There is, however, 'regardless' (which is what you wanted to say) and 'irrespective'. which has an entirely different meaning.
Posted by The English Teacher on August 19, 2007 04:54 PMTrinity: There is no such word as 'irregardless'. There is, however, 'regardless' (which is what you wanted to say) and 'irrespective', which, with a few changes to the sentence, you could have used.
Posted by The English Teacher on August 19, 2007 04:55 PMThe English Teacher
Thank you for your correction. Would you like instruction on how to single, and not double post?
Posted by Trinity on August 19, 2007 05:33 PMTrinity:
Don't let that nitwit english teacher bother you. This twit sits back smugly receiving some twisted satisfaction at correcting people on the blog. You know the type, small minds with self esteem problems.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 05:57 PMAnon 05:57Pm
Actually, I don't really mind the corrections. I find myself falling into bad habits all the time and a little light shined on those occasional faux pas is not totally unwelcome. Now if I could just get my typing to keep up with my thoughts I'd be further ahead!
Posted by Trinity on August 19, 2007 06:19 PMPresident Bush has stated that his administration is cracking down on illegal immigration. It's just a Band-Aid approach to the problem unless active deportaion is included.
President Bush's Band-Aid solution ignores the underlying crime wave that is developing in the illegal alien population. Throwing millions out of work with no visible means of support will only increase crime across the nation.
It has been widely reported and disputed by some that at least 25 violent crimes per day, including murder, negligent homicide, and rape (especially of children) are being committed by illegal aliens.
The execution style murder of three young college students, and the wounding of a fourth, in New Jersey last week is testimony to this.
Jose Carranza and others, allegedly committed the crime. Carranza's bail had been set for a previous crime. After the bail was reduced, he was released. His status is listed as a non-citizen. Records indicate he is from Peru.
To make matters worse, New Jersey has a "sanctuary" law whereby criminals when apprehended cannot be interrogated as to their citizenship. As a result, many of the succeeding violent crimes committed by illegal aliens are committed by individuals with long criminal records. No effort appears to be made in most cases to advise immigration authorities who would be responsible to deport criminals after the first and most certainly after multiple crimes.
Crime could be reduced dramatically across the nation, simply, by deporting the criminal after the first offense.
It has been reported that 30 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. at present involve illegal aliens.
The United States today is resting on dead center. There is no decisive action being taken by either the executive branch or the U.S. Congress. to solve the immigration issue.
American citizens can be certain of one thing: Band-Aids are of little use in solving national problems.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 07:36 PMI enjoyed the postr from serial maggot John II, who has blood not on his hands, but all over his fat flatulent body as he sucks off his murdering chimp master.
Posted by on August 19, 2007 11:33 PMThe clock continues to tick......Today's Post pointed out that the survivalist/militia types are getting some traction from the immigrant problem.Ironic how the Left has been howling about the weakness and turpitude of the present government to the point that the present government seems to look nearly as weak and inept as they say it is.Absent some backbone in border enforcement and some big-time get tough on alien criminals,how long would you suppose it would take before
some well-armed(wanna bet they're not armed to the teeth?) antigovernment group decides the government can't or won't stop them from dealing out some very rough justice.What if government in an effort to avoid an insurrection decides to look the other way?What if the embattled illegals get help from people like Hugo Chavez? Fidel's successors? The mullahs in Tehran?
The cleaners may soon be calling a whole lotta folks with the news that their brown shirts are ready.And a whole lot of other people might be hearing from THEIR cleaners that their dynamite vests are ready too.
Today's tune is"Life is a cabaret,oh chum."Tomorrow's may be "Horst Wessel".
Posted by Jimminy on August 20, 2007 12:00 AMCrime is down 11% in Denver over the past year...
Posted by Charles B on August 20, 2007 07:29 AMEveryone needs to go to www.numbersusa.com and call and fax your elected officials and DEMAND they deport illegals, fine the employers, build the border fence and defend this nation. If we can have Guardian Angels patrolling our streets and doing citizens arrests on gang bangers and other criminals, why can't we do the same with illegals doing the crimes that Americans won't do?
Posted by Jay on August 20, 2007 08:04 AMAugust 19, 2007 11:33 PM
This page would be improved if the RMN would eliminate the mindless posts that contain nothing beyond an ad hominem attack.
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Posted by James Jones on August 20, 2007 08:58 AMAhhh,
Let's all play a violin for poor little James Jones, who's sensibilities have been damaged.
Perhaps the RMN should eliminate all the morally vacuous hypocrites who cheer-lead the slaughter of innocents in senseless wars....
Posted by Charles B on August 20, 2007 09:21 AMBeing an illegal alien is also a crime, Charles....
Since it is not reported in the Sanctuary City, what would your statistics look like? Also, if we had deported all Illegals in Denver, what would the crime statistics have dropped to?
Even farther.
It doesn't matter one bit if the overall crime rate is dropping. That is your strawman. If one illegal commits one crime in this country, it is too many and should have been preventable.
Posted by Dravur on August 20, 2007 09:23 AMCharles B - You usually, and I emphasize USUALLY, argue with perspective and rational thought behind your positions. While I may not agree with everything you say, I can respect your arguments and as a result use your thoughts as food for consideration.
Then, you make rash, inane comments about people who disagree with you ("...eliminate all the morally vacuous hypocrites who cheer-lead the slaughter of innocents in senseless wars...") and destroy your credibility. You seem to go in cycles between logic and hysteria in your arguments. Of course, I guess that's a little better than people like keith who debate from a rude position to support their arguments all the time.
CA
Posted by on August 20, 2007 09:50 AMCA:
First, my post was a response to JJ's call for censorship on this forum.
Second, the "morally vacuous hypocrites who cheer-lead the slaughter of innocents in senseless wars" do exist. I was not referring to "everyone who disagrees with me".
I'll name a few of the people I was referring to: William "the Bloody" Kristol, Richard Pearle, Shawn Hannity, David Frum, Dick Cheney, John II, KW, etc.
I appreciate your feelings about hysteria, but I would argue that the hysteria is on the part of these types who continually parrot the "9-11 changed everything" mantra.
The reality is that 9-11 didn't change everything. It didn't change the circumstances in Iraq that caused Dick Cheney to say the following in 1994:
"Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?A: No.
Q: Why not?
A: Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.
Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.
It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.
The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?
Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."
I think those who advocated and still support this unnecessary war are the ones who's credibility is lacking, and that includes a fair number of imperialists on this page.
Yo Trinity. Immediately the word "irregardless," a double negative injured my eyes; however, greater injury occurred when O5:57 insulted the English Teacher when he kindly brought it to your attention. I am well-pleased with your response; "I don't mind the corrections." It is so pointless to cast insults when they are not deserved; however, who is to say when insults are not deserved. I don't like the double negative but I've heard it is now a legit word in some dictionaries. Perhaps some feedback as was encountered on "Redneck." Besides: "Irrespective" is a better choice than "regardless" and so I learn from The English Teacher. Thanks. Please advise on why some words are bracketed e.g. "...to be the very 'extract[tion] and spen[ding]' of 'tax money' in aid of religion..."
Posted by Richard Grimes Risen/Deicide r22037@yahoo on August 20, 2007 10:12 AMEnglish Teacher: Correction: Make that: 'extrac[tion]' and if Trinity knows: Hello.
Deicide Corner: “Of all learned men, the clergy show the lowest development of professional ethics. Any pastor is free to cadge customers from the divines of rival sects, and to denounce the divines themselves as theological quacks.”
-- H.L. Mencken
Charles B: So by proclamation you are establishing your moral values as supreme and anyone not agreeing with, or accepting as a priori your values are automatically classified as "morally vacuous hypocrites". And to think there are people on this blog who claim God does not exist...you just identified yourself as deity among us.
Thanks for ending that needless and frustrating debate.
Posted by on August 20, 2007 10:23 AMCharles B.,
I don't get your point regarding posting Mr. Cheney's quote from 1994. It seems to me that Mr. Cheney hit the nail right on the head with his prediction of the difficulties in holding Iraq.
The thing that changed is the realization that paying 146 American lives for a quick war was not enough to stop the spread of Islam from killing 3000 civilians on our own soil. The Gulf War hurt us because it conditioned our citizens to always expect the quick, low casualty war. 9/11 made us realize that much stronger efforts are needed to combat Islam.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 10:24 AMBy the way, Charles B., I think the topic of 9/11 and whether or not it changed anything may be more approprite on this thread: http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/letters/2007/08/paul_campos_10.html
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 10:31 AMDid anyone EVER find the Boeing 757 that supposedly hit the Pentagon? I've never seen any photos or other proof that the official story is true. Beuhler? Anyone? Beuhler?
Posted by on August 20, 2007 10:52 AMJohn II:
"The thing that changed is the realization that paying 146 American lives for a quick war was not enough to stop the spread of Islam from killing 3000 civilians on our own soil."
So John, why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq? Iraq was largely a secular state, and they had nothing to do with 9-11. Saudi Arabia is one of the most backwards places on earth, and sent us most of the criminals who murdered our citizens.
And the "spread of Islam" is what killed our citizens? I thought it was a bunch of nut-jobs. That's like saying we have to battle the spread of Christianity so that more Oklahoma City bombings don't happen.
In any case, as you've made clear, your reasons for invading Iraq are to "take their oil". You might cloak it in your hysterical fear of the spread of Islam, but I think you've made it clear that your positions are based on what would line your pockets with the most cash.
You simply think we should rule the world and steal their resources, and that's ok, just don't try to pretend we're fighting some battle against the coming Caliphate or some such nonsense.
I like you better when you're honest.
Posted by Charles B on August 20, 2007 10:53 AMWhether or not we should have invaded Saudi Arabia over Iraq is a strategic question. Iraq was considered a threat with the possibility of having WMD. There was no such threat with Saudi Arabia. I don't care if Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 just like we didn't care that Germany had anything to do with 12/7.
So, based on previous comments you have made, I would assume your would involve:
1) Invading Saudi Arabia
2) Get all Americans to convert to atheism to combat the spread of Islam.
I've never made it clear that my reasons for invading Iraq was to "take their oil". I personally would like to see the US grab some of that oil, but my personal inclinations have nothing to do with the actual reasons we went to Iraq.
I'm not in favor of stealing the resources from just anyone. I'm in favor of taking what should be ours from a group of savages that randomly settled down on top of a large supply of valuable resources.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 11:08 AMBy the way, Charles B., isn't Mecca in Saudi Arabia? You would invade the home of Mecca and enrage every single Muslim worldwide? Now that takes balls. I have a whole new respect for you Charles B. Let's do it. Let's take over Mecca! I'm with you.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 11:23 AMWow, people!! I am so very glad and proud of you all for not degenerating this discussion into diatribes directed toward Mexico and Mexicans (save for a couple of lone postings). Apparently, you noticed that most (if not all) of the accused killers in the New Jersey case were from Central and South America. It is so encouraging to see that people are realizing that illegal immigrants come to the US from all over the world. Now, the task is to try to come up with an effective, yet humane, plan to do something about those here illegally and at the same time what to do about those that want to come here without playing by the rules.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 11:29 AMCharles, Where did anyone on this thread say anything of oil and the crap you put forth on th ILLEGAL ALIEN THREAD? You put words in somones mouth on here and project your assumptions and then call the poster dishonest?
Now back on track. Take a look at the older communities of Denver and see what is happening to them via Illegal Immigrants. Housing prices are plummeting, Foreclosure rates are going through the roof (directly and indirectly attributed to II's) Try selling a property that you have maintained with blood, sweat and tears, and $$$ that sits next to a Rental that has 6+ cars in the yard (front and back, with the back fence torn apart to accomodate vehicles in the back) and furniture strewn throughout the yard. Try walking into one of those houses without gagging. Try listening to the neighbor who is trying to sell their house with all of this going around them. Some of them have lived there 20+yrs.
Posted by bwr on August 20, 2007 11:32 AMPaulie,
Of course illegal immigrants come here from all over the world. But, the overwhelming majority of them come from Mexico. So, don't lecture us on whether or not we have a right to criticize Mexicans. Go F yourself.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 11:39 AMElvira Arellano has been deported! Score one for the good guys!
Posted by truthy on August 20, 2007 11:47 AMAwww, J2, you are so cute with your little tantrums, especially since you like to place yourself as a saint of the message boards!! No, you are the furthest thing from cute; you are just a troll with a good thesaurus. I know that you just have to hate people, like women or people with brown skin (since you can't hate black people anymore, right?), so I am not even trying to stop you. What I am surprised with is that you immediately resort to hystrionics and vulgar expressions. What happened to your obsession with "reasoned" debate? Is it that you feel a little guilty about your irrational hatred of all people brown? Feel a little threatened by people that are not white? Wait, I know that you will not answer, because you can't rationalize your way out of this one. You just keep on showing your true colors, buddy, and they are ugly indeed. Keep me entertained, asshole!! Your streak is impressive so far.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 11:52 AMOh, J2, and just where did I try to say if someone has a right or not? It is common knowledge among good Americans that everyone has a right to be a moron. I wouldn't dream of denying anyone that right or any other to any American. So go f**k YOURself, moron.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 11:56 AMProof on the Boeing that struck the Pentagon:
The accused is on trial for biting off his opponent's ear and the witness was asked if he saw him bite off his ear to which the reply from the witness was "No." So he asked how he knew he bit it off and the witness replied: "I saw him spit it out."
If there is no proof of the Boeing the people on board are conspicuous by their absence.
I'll enter a secular prayer it is understood that those who boarded the craft but are no longer with us is proof enough. End.
Posted by Richard Grimes Risen Ape Deicide r22037@yahoo on August 20, 2007 12:04 PMThere you go again, Whatever (or is it Paulie), resorting to the old liberal fall-back: playing the racism card.
It's rather amusing to be accused of racism by someone who admitted at one point he was himself. Here's how Paulie cured himself of racism: He used to think gang members were all black; but he cured himself of that "racism" after realizing that many Latinos are gang members too. So, now he feels happy with himself after realizing that not all gang members of one race.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 12:10 PMJ2, it is none of your concern what handle I use. So, mind your own business, guy.
Of course, you refuse to answer any of my questions in order to clear yourself of any misunderstanding. I know that this irritates you even more than anything that is not of old white men, that is when others do this to you.
And nice anecdote there, guy. Your point is . . . what? Tyring to reflect your own intolerance back at me? I never said you are racist, but your deflection and obfuscation speaks volumes as to your inner being. Why not just come out and say that I have it wrong? I surmise it is because I actually have it right.
You are nothing more than a smug hypocrite troll (yes, with a good thesaurus). Keep on proving what a senseless ass you are, buddy! I love watching you show the world what a worthless waste of resources are truly are!
And finally, go f**k yourself, moron. }: )
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 12:22 PMPaulie says "I know that you just have to hate people, like women or people with brown skin"
Then he says: "I never said you are racist, but your deflection and obfuscation speaks volumes as to your inner being."
Such a poignant closing argument by our friend from New Mexico, Pauly. You have to use his dictionary to understand the meaning behind words he uses.
RACIST: Spanish for someone who wants to enforce the law.
After you get to Pauly's dictionary buried under the heart on his sleeve you can determine his moral stance on any topic he addresses.
Posted by on August 20, 2007 12:28 PMJ2, and your point is . . . what?? Obviously you did not finish that very short paragraph: "Why not just come out and say that I have it wrong? I surmise it is because I actually have it right." You are losing at your own stupid game, J2 the Moron.
And to the anonymous idiot: Where did I even begin to implicate that I favor breaking the law? Here's a more challenging task for you: Where did I start to say that I favor illegal immigration? Show me where, or shut the hell up.
It's been interesting reading Pauly's comments and responses to the matter of illegal immigration, both here on the RMN threads, and over at the DP blogs on occasion. In every single instance he's resorted to either direct or implied accusation that anyone opposed to the illegal immigration invasion is a racist.
He never presents a rational nor valid argument in favor of illegal immigrants in place of his emotional biased advocation supported by condemnation of all opposed to him as racist.
I have generally found that when one has to rely on the racist card their intellectual quiver of rational arguments is empty. The people who scream racism are those who can't confront the truth or reality of the damage the invasion has caused our economy, and in particular, the lower portion of the legal American working class. The crippling of our infrastructure has been of late coming to the public awareness.
The illegal immigrants include people of many nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. The ones that are the most noticed in our neck of the woods are comprised mainly of latino/hispanics from either Mexico, Central or South America. As a consequence an almost generic use of the term "Mexicans" has come to be the common vernacular used in referring to illegal immigrants (similar to most facial tissue being referred to as "Kleenex" as a generic category). While it may be a poor choice of word, it's not a racially based epithet per say.
Posted by darfor on August 20, 2007 12:49 PMPaulie, what is it you want me to answer? You throw out a racism accusation and then immediately demand that I answer the charge. There was no reason to accuse me of racism to begin with.
But, this is the game liberals play to avoid addressing tough problems. They toss out charges of racism in a weak attempt to silence their opponents.
So, now the line of questioning is are you or are you not a racist? And if you refuse to answer, it only proves you are indeed a racist.
Illegal immigration from Mexico is serious problem that is hurting America. But, fear not, because Paulie is here to remind you that not all illegal immigrants are Mexican. Whew! Thanks Paulie. You are the enemy of hard-working, tax-paying American citizens.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 12:55 PMJohn II said:
"Whether or not we should have invaded Saudi Arabia over Iraq is a strategic question. Iraq was considered a threat with the possibility of having WMD. There was no such threat with Saudi Arabia. I don't care if Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 just like we didn't care that Germany had anything to do with 12/7."
Let's see, Iraq was considered a threat because of the possibility of having WMD. And Saudi Arabia wasn't because they didn't have WMD. Yet somehow, it was Saudi Arabia that sent us the living, breathing WMD's that killed 3,000 innocent citizens of our great country.
Here's a clue: Weapons of Mass Destruction aren't the problem. Lot's of countries have them, lot's of countries could acquire them. The problem is the people in the world who would use them if they did have them.
The only way to combat the threat is to do our best to ensure that less people are inclined to use the weapons.
Any statistical analysis of the results of our invasion of Iraq bears out the reality that this war has made us less safe, because we've created more people who hate us and are willing to use (or to be) Weapons of Mass Destruction against us.
And you seriously want to compare the threat of Hitler with Iraq? Really?
Come on John II, that's a joke and you know it.
"I'm in favor of taking what should be ours from a group of savages that randomly settled down on top of a large supply of valuable resources."
I'm sure that's close to what the insurgents in Iraq trying to take back their country are saying about our presence there right now...
And someone was saying my description of people like you as "morally vacuous" was "hysteria".
Care to reconsider CA?
And by the way, I don't support invading Saudi Arabia (which you know) but was making a rhetorical point to show how ridiculous a strategy it was to invade Iraq.
Turn everyone to atheism to combat Islam?
Great Idea.
Posted by Charles B on August 20, 2007 12:58 PMExcellent points, darfor.
Check out this thread: http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/letters/2007/08/anglos_no_longer_majority_in_d.html#more
Paulie (Whatever) managed to get himself so lost in his own twisted logic that he managed to admit that even he himself was a racist (and a bigot) at one point. It's a rather amusing thread. He even threatened to shove my "walker" up my "wrinkled" arse.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 01:02 PMUm, darfor, I don't post at the Denver Post website, though there is someone over there that uses a similar handle of "Pauly". I don't know them, and I don't really care who they are.
What I get pissed about is the gerenal vernacular use of the word "Mexicans" to refer to all illegal immigrants. That is bigoted per se, no matter how you want to rationalize it. Yes, there are illegal immigrants in the US that come from all over the world. People should recognize that and reflect that in even their diatribes, because to use "Mexicans" as the general vernacular makes for a scapagoat population, a patently unfair situation, especially considering that the largest immigrant group in the US that is playing by the rules and even trying to become citizens are Mexican immigrants, like it or not. And it is indeed true that many illegal immigrants in the US are Mexican nationals, but they are by no means the only ones. So why not use the equaly offensive, but non-ethnic and non-racial, term "illegals" to describe illegal immigrants? Why is this so hard to do?
And, regardless of what the other "Pauly" at the DP site thinks or posts, I have never come out in favor of illegal immigration. I challenge you or anyone else to show me where I have ever come out in favor of illegal immigration. Actually, I am pretty ambivalent about the issue overall, but people refuse to believe it. So show me where I am favor of illegal immigration, anyone!! If this is done satisfactorily, then I will shut the hell up myself.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 01:06 PMOk, Charles B. I'm not going to debate the Iraq war with you here. How about offering your thoughts on illegal immigration.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 01:10 PMOh, J2, you just cannot quit. Thanks for labelling me an enemy to America! Going to report me to the Stasi -er, I mean Homeland Security now?
And you lament that I want you to prove that you are not racist. So what? Don't like your own game thrown back at you, I guess.
And just how do you know with certainty that I am "Whatever" from the other thread? Do you have a Internet address tracker? Or is this just the very same conservative ESP that predicted that we would be greeted in Iraq as liberators with showers of candy and flowers? You are starting to grasp at straws now, J2. That's OK, though; glad to see you exercising your right to be a complete moron.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 01:15 PMHey Paulie,
You said:
"And, regardless of what the other "Pauly" at the DP site thinks or posts, I have never come out in favor of illegal immigration. I challenge you or anyone else to show me where I have ever come out in favor of illegal immigration. Actually, I am pretty ambivalent about the issue overall, but people refuse to believe it. So show me where I am favor of illegal immigration, anyone!! If this is done satisfactorily, then I will shut the hell up myself."
You favor illegal immigration by attempting to block the discussion of it with accusations of racism. Your pedantic not all illegals are Mexican lectures only serve to digress the conversation to something other than the real problem. Mexicans make up the vast majority of illegal immigration. So, of course, people think Mexican when they think illegal immigrant. That's not racist (or bigoted) you jackass. So, you are complicit in the continuation of the illegal immigration problem.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 01:21 PM"Ok, Charles B. I'm not going to debate the Iraq war with you here. How about offering your thoughts on illegal immigration."
I'm against it and think our disbursement of resources should be heavily weighted towards enforcement of laws against employing them and less towards putting up fences along the border.
Drain the swamp.
Posted by Charles B on August 20, 2007 01:21 PMPAULY From your earlier rant:
"Now, the task is to try to come up with an effective, yet humane, plan to do something about those here illegally and at the same time what to do about those that want to come here without playing by the rules."
They are here ILLEGALLY. The humane thing to do is ship them home without physically doing damage to them. Drop your misguided compassion for criminals. All you ever do is cry about treating these criminals with compassion, something they didn't show this country when they came here ILLEGALLY and stole jobs from the lower educated members of our society. Everything you write about drips with amnesty for the CRIMINALS. I personally don't give a sh** what color they are, ship them out.
From your answer to darfor:
"largest immigrant group in the US that is playing by the rules and even trying to become citizens are Mexican immigrants".
They aren't playing by the rules because they came here ILLEGALLY and then demanded to become citizens. They should have LEGALLY immigrated and they wouldn't have to be working hard to overcome their ILLEGALITY; and they wouldn't be screaming about taking back "the land that belongs to them". And they wouldn't be dropping anchor babies like popcorn to solidify their claim at staying here and a need for amnesty in order to be fair and humane.
You are just an apologist for the illegal immigrants, especially from Mexico. You just try to cloak it so that you won't be recognized for what you really are -- a pro-illegal immigrant advocate.
You're pathetic in your "implied but not admitted" advocacy of the illegals. You look like a little boy denying that you stole from the cookie jar with crumbs all over your mouth and hands.
KB
Posted by on August 20, 2007 01:27 PMCharles B
Please allow me to join you in advocating what I firmly believe is not only the best, but most efficient way to address the illegal immigration problem.
Fences can be climbed over and tunneled under. But if there is no economic incentive for people to sneak across our borders (from any country of origin, Pauly), they will quit coming or face imprisonment if they come for nefarious purposes.
Posted by Trinity on August 20, 2007 01:33 PMRichard Grimes, all those folks on the 757 are dead. But their aircraft is not what hit the Pentagon. I'd like to know what did hit the Pentagon, and where all those who died on 9/11 went
Posted by on August 20, 2007 01:33 PMWrong again, J2 of the High Order of Morons. Better luck next time.
KB, so there are no legal immigrants from Mexico? Wrong there too, buddy.
Try again, assholes. Show me where I advocated for an open-border policy or something of the sort. Making semantic arguments (J2) attempting to make me sympathetic to illegal immigrants (KB) are not it.
Like it or not, morons, I am ambivalent about the issue. I don't like how mojado Mexicans and mojado Central Americans act when they're in the country LEGALLY OR NOT, but then again, I don't like how white folks act in the trailer parks or how black people act in the ghetto either. But like it or not, the US needs immigrants to keep our population expanding (that means not getting smaller, KB); those immigrants should be legal ones, though.
Just because I refuse to blindly hate Mexicans and those with brown skin does not, BY ANY MEANS, translate that I am in favor of illegal immigration. I know that people who hate insist on being in the sole company of their pathetic ilk, but that's just too damned bad. I am personally happy to be in a different class than you SOB's, even if on a level of principle I happen to agree with some of what you idiots think.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 01:42 PMAnon 01:33Pm and Richard Grimes
I'm not ready to join the conspiracy crowd just yet. But, I too have questions regarding the Pentagon hit. For example.
In looking at the hole made in the side of the building, why are there no impact signs of the wings nor rudder striking the building?
And to accept the theory that the wings and rudder broke off when the nose of the plane struck the building, why weren't the remnants of those sections found in the yard adjacent to the building?
If the plane was a transcontinental flight by origin, why wasn't the entire entire cavity caused by the plane incinerated as tons of jet fuel burned?
Why weren't the engines, or at least identifiable pieces of the engines, from the jet found at the site? They would have withstood the tremendous heat generated in a jet fuel fire (of which there apparently wasn't). The small engine parts (i.e., the rotor initially shown in newscasts, and later removed) where identified by jet engine manufacturing reps as too small to have come from a jet that size.
Like I say, I'm not joining the conspiracy crowd, but I haven't seen a reasonable response to any of these questions yet.
Posted by Trinity on August 20, 2007 01:45 PMTrinity, you hit the nail right on the head. That is indeed the best plan to stop illegal immigration.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 01:45 PMHey Paulie,
Instead of just saying "Wrong", try this: post an excerpt of the actual quote you disagree with and address it. Simply saying "Wrong again" is weak. So, try it again. Cut & Paste my exact remark that you think is wrong, then address it.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 01:49 PMand, Paulie, by address it I mean explain why you disagree with it.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 01:51 PMNope, J2. You are wrong and wrong and WRONG, and I don't want to play your little game anymore. And I don't care if you are still hurting from how I played you like an old ukelele. You insist that I play your game when you refused to play your own game when you were losing. Piss off, moron. I am done with you. And if you don't like it, well, piss off, moron.
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 01:53 PMJohn II - The race-baiter Paulie has crawled back into his hole since he cannot debate other than to call you a racist. So sad, so expected.
I'm curious as to why he debates from two different profiles - Paulie & Whatever -- when he spews the same inane arguments and venom under both. Your link to the previous blog was interesting. You could see the same writer in both that and this blog.
It must be hard to argue from an emotional perspective. There's nothing to back up the argument except more emotion - kinda like a dog chasing his own tail.
KB
Posted by on August 20, 2007 02:02 PMHa, you crack me up, Paulie. You resorted to the same "I don't want to play anymore" attitude in this thread too: http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/letters/2007/08/anglos_no_longer_majority_in_d.html#more
What an effete coward you are. You've got nothing.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 02:02 PMThe kid tells his Sunday School Teacher that when he gets to heaven he will ask Jonah if he is swallowed by a fish. What if Jonah didn't make it to heaven, says Teacher. The kid replies: Then you can ask him.
Surely one of us will learn if the craft hit the pentagon and post it if we turn in the direction of the kid aforementioned.
Paulie: The moderator will ban you for vulgarity; vulgarity and insults are tolerated to a certain point. You can make your point without it.
Posted by Richard Grimes Risen Ape Deicide r22037@yahoo on August 20, 2007 02:05 PMOh, I know, Richard. I have lost a few handles so far, but that's OK. People like some of those above posters only respond to insults and vulgarity.
Oh, J2 and KB, did it ever occur to you that I might have better things to do than argue endlessly over minutae (KB, that means tiny details)? Or that I am bored with you two? Or both? I know, you don't like being cast off like trash, but if it walks, talks, quacks like . . .
Posted by Paulie on August 20, 2007 02:12 PMMy My, time to get more stock in Reynolds Aluminum.... Perhaps the people who SAW the 757 fly into the pentagon might be considered "proof". It didn't magically turn into a missile or a turnip or a unicorn, it was a large jet, and since one was missing at the time, it is a good bet that that was the one.
Posted by Dravur on August 20, 2007 02:13 PMDravur
Your comments reflect the only reasons I haven't joined the tin foil hat crowd. However, there are a few relevant questions that have not been adequately answered that need to be in order to finally shelf the conspiracy crowd.
And, there are contradictory "eye witness" accounts as to what was seen hitting the building. While your assumption of the missing jet coinciding with the pentagon hit is fairly valid, it's not a tautology in and by itself.
There are unanswered questions which I hope someday will be finally laid to rest without the use of conspiracy theories nor assumptions.
Posted by Trinity on August 20, 2007 02:23 PMElvira Arellano is gone..Deorted!! Good-riddance..!!!!!!!!!!! Now she can demand in her own country!! And leave our government alone!!
Posted by demand in your own country on August 20, 2007 02:45 PMIs it just me or is RG starting to make more sense these last couple of weeks?
Posted by KW on August 20, 2007 04:16 PMI noticed the same thing, KW. He almost seems like a different person. It's a very welcome change as I learned to skip his Deicide Corner sections which in the past meant I wouldn't read most of his posts. But, it seems he is a lot saner than previously led us to believe.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 04:30 PMDid anyone notice that Elvira Arellano was DEPORTED today? Not if you read this paper. No mention so far. Why?
Can you say AJENDA?
Posted by truthy on August 20, 2007 04:54 PMI'm sure we'll see it in tomorrow's paper. Beware of the "teary eyed" boy angle the AP is playing up.
I have mixed emotions. Deporting her was the right thing to do. But, she put her son in a sad situation.
Posted by John II on August 20, 2007 05:17 PMI found some coverage from Reuters. But of course, their headline reads:
"Mexican immigrant who sought U.S. sanctuary deported"
But hey, that's Reuters for ya.
One down, 11,999,999 to go...
Posted by Uno on August 20, 2007 07:27 PMSo where are Reverend's Jackson and Sharpton? It seems a few words of solace from religious leaders would be appropriate at this time.
And yet the silence is deafening.
Posted by James Jones on August 20, 2007 07:47 PMElvira Arellano knew that she may be deported any day or any time, half a mother would have provisions set for her son.
Me myself..we couldn't be separated..I wouldn't leave my baby alone in another country.
Caution: If you do not read the Deicide Corner you spurn the words of those who have left their footprint in history as the expression is not mine but I embrace it.
Deicide Corner: I'm horny enough to be a TV evangelist.
Posted by Richard Grimes r22037yahoo Risen ape/Deicide. Intelligent enough to be atheist but lack courage. on August 22, 2007 11:56 AM