Recruiting workers from Mexico
I’m gasping for air after reading the 8/22 News article, “Guest worker plan floated, lawmakers want state to recruit laborers in Mexico". State Sen.
Tapia and State Rep. Looper are “floating” this amnesty idea. Their idea is just another tactic being used to by the pro-illegal crowd, to gain amnesty for criminal illegal Mexicans. I would like to know from Tapia and Looper, if they own farms. CNN recently reported, U.S. Sen. Salazar (skipper, S.S. Amnesty - just another slave ship) and his brother, U.S. Rep. Salazar, received “$484K” in federal farm subsidies (welfare). Did they vote for this cash-cow? Do they employ criminal illegal Mexicans to work on their farms?
Blacks in Northeast Denver are experiencing an unemployment rate of 15%. Therefore, I want to know state legislators Groff, T. Carroll, Marshall, and Jones “take", on the proposal being made by Tapia and Looper. Rev. Al Sharpton was recently employed as a pro-illegal “lobbyist” by Wal-Mart. He was asked by the media, “how can do this when blacks have such a high rate of unemployment"? Sharpton replied, “we had double-digit unemployment before they got here, and we still have it". This guest worker plan is nothing more than another scam to illegally displace qualified American workers, and to line the Vatican and Mexican gov’t pockets, with federal gold. A key tenet of being in business, is the ability to pass the costs of doing one’s business, on to one’s customers, and if this can’t be done, then one shouldn’t be in business.
I am “invisible” to my congressional representatives. Rep. Tancredo is bogged down with his “prez” aspirations and stamping out illegals. Sen. Salazar is signing his $484K (my family’s blood-loot) farming welfare check. I applied for the PATRIOTS EXPRESS business loan program. This is a federal backed $150K business loan program for combat disabled military veterans. I served in 3 deployments to Vietnam. The Denver SBA and Colorado Enterprise Fund (CEF), “decided", I should only get a loan of “$25K", then they next “decided", I shouldn’t get a loan of any amount. I don’t recall seeing either Denver SBA CEO DeHerrera, CEF CEO Ceyl Prinster/Alan Ramirez, Tancredo, or Salazar, during any of my visits to Vietnam. I proudly join U.S. Rep. Murtha (USMC Vietnam War hero), “I wouldn’t serve in today’s armed forces with these guys and their draft-deferments".
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Amazing, isn't it?
Posted by on August 24, 2007 02:44 PMgee James 40 acres you sure are sounding like a republican today.
Posted by Edmond on August 24, 2007 07:12 PMJames, black leadership and blacks better pick up the slack. Pretty soon if this type of legislation continues, Americans will be choosing sides to fight other Americans and Mexicans. All immigraton from third world countries legal and otherwise needs to come to a screeching halt. We don't need more lettuce pickers to pick lettuce for illegal aliens in the USA now.
Posted by Ben on August 24, 2007 07:32 PMGood one Ben!
Posted by on August 24, 2007 10:10 PMJust keep America, America. At least what's left of it. (English please)
Posted by Rebecca on August 25, 2007 03:16 AMJust keep America, America. At least what's left of it. (English please)
Posted by Rebecca on August 25, 2007 03:18 AMGood post James, And thanks for you service in the military. Your right , its not "We the People any more" It all or nothing for the politicians in Colorado. They have all desserted us, the Colorado Working Class. Now that these Corporate builders have OVER BUILT here in Colorado whats left of Colorados small contractors are cutting each others throuts just to fine work.
Politicians feel its OKAY for Colorado contractors to go out of business because we can't live on the the low wages here but they wet there pants in concern for these big farmers that can't run a business with out crying to the gov't they need more slaves to pay for there new Lexus.
The legislators who are proposing this bill are idiots.
They want Colorado citizens to pay 1 million dollars to set up a recruiting office in Mexico ,staffed so they can help the workers fill out the paperwork. Then they want Colorado citizens to pay for housing and benefits. All this to help farmers pick their crops.
They discussed this issue on Hannity and Colmes last night.
A owner of a farm actually said he couldn't get workers and he is paying $8-$12 per hour for laborers and $18-$20 per hour for foremans and managers.
While they were doing the segment they were showing a place were workers gather looking for work.there were plenty of workers there looking for work. Their is no way this guy is paying that kind of money for working on his farm.He could easily go to a day labor site and get workers.
Colorado citizens should not have to pay more tax money to bring workers into this state. No one has even mentioned how they are going to make sure every worker they bring into this State if this program is passed is going to be sent home. Do they actually think if they bring more immigrants into this country for seasonal work ,that these people are going to leave on there own?
Does the Colorado State Government really think we are that stupid?
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 25, 2007 08:33 AMWho is this Tenant character? Bet he never was IN Vietnam. Furthermore, I doubt the armed forces would let him in these days--we need stable troopers these days.
Posted by buff driver on August 25, 2007 08:48 AMWho is this Tenant character? Bet he never was IN Vietnam. Furthermore, I doubt the armed forces would let him in these days--we need stable troopers these days.
Posted by buff driver on August 25, 2007 08:49 AMFirst thing is they will never leave.Second is the dems. want them there so they can get there votes,because the dems. will allow them to stay for ever.But again it might be a good idea for the dems getting in 08'.The dems will fix illegal imigration because they will re-instate the draft.Watch all the Mexicans fleeing back to Mexico.Plus if the dems. get in in 08' ther won't be any jobs for them.
Posted by Keith on August 25, 2007 09:59 AMJames:
I work for a construction company. We have want ad's in the paper like alot of other companies for help. Could you please inform me where all these black unemployed workers are at I have not seen one apply at our company in a long long time. If they are out there they need to start applying for work.
Check that
Maybe it's a quarter million illegals in the state of Co. But by now, who knows.
The Tennent character is 40 acres/Centennial and kudos to him for his letter. Keith must know since he knows the facts that it is Bush who offers citizenship plus $20,000 sign up bonus to illegal aliens if they will go to Iraq and kill Iraqies and other Muslims, see PBS Bill Moyers.
Posted by RG r22037yahoo on August 25, 2007 11:19 AMRG youre a damned fool, an illegal can NOT join the military, a LEGAL immigrant can but not illegal. There is a differance. Any illegal trying to join will be turned down and arrested.
Posted by Nick on August 25, 2007 11:40 AMlarrymc,It's because they don't want to work,they want to live off the tax payers money.They are a product of the democrap party.Why do you think certain blacks like sharton and jackson are paid millions to mis-lead there people to vote for the people who are screwing them.Bill Crosby figure it out so they now denonced him.
Posted by Keith on August 25, 2007 11:45 AMben:
besides we are a union company with good pay & bennies. and there is no slave labor the union won't allow that. so do some research before you run your mouth. and we do not hire illegal workers we just can't find good american workers. if you know of any tell them to read the want ad's we are in there at the present time. look under welders.
for some reason i figured the idiot keith would chime in on his blame the democrats. well quess what. you will hardly ever see a little rich spoiled con do any hard manual labor they have a silver spoon in their mouth. you can't get that spoon out.
Posted by larrymc on August 25, 2007 12:09 PMLarrymc, you hardly make any sense, or just don’t know what you’re talking about. America is one of the most productive nations on earth, with the longest hours put in, right up there with Japan and others. If you want to see lazy, why don’t you visit places like France, Mexico, most of Africa, and most major cities in the world with large population sitting on their butt, waiting for the welfare checks or somebody to rob in the ghettos. In that respect, that includes US cities too.
As far as the rich goes, I have news for you, nobody ever gotten rich by being lazy. It takes hard dedicated work, long hours and working smart, not just working.
When you said, “you will hardly ever see a little rich spoiled con do any hard manual labor they have a silver spoon in their mouth. you can't get that spoon out.” – are you talking about John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and alike? They are not “con”, they dem!
I do agree with you on today’s kids, they are less dedicated, principled, gimme me my I-Pod type. You can thank that for the liberal upbringing, and the rejection of good solid conservative values.
"larrymc"
I owned a mid size construction company doing high end remodel, tenant refinish,and new small retail buildings. One of the reasons I sold my business a little over six years ago was due to the impact the illegal workers were having on the industry. They were bringing the job prices down so far that it was getting very difficult to provide a good wage and benefits to workers for companies like mine who only hired legal workers.
I used to hire teenagers of all racial backgrounds as apprentices to learn the trades. I paid well above minimum wage, carried the required worker's comp and offered a benefits package which included health and profit sharing.
About ten years ago we started feeling the impact of illegal workers hitting our segment of the construction industry when companies using illegals started undercutting everybody bidding by 10 to 15%. As more illegals started entering the industry, sometimes as a company of only illegals, the prices continued to erode on a downward bias, often times as much as 40 to 50%.
Some could claim that it was only a result of competition in a free market. And to a certain degree it was just that. However, those companies employing the illegals cut out all benefits and under insured via worker's comp and under reported, if at all, federal and state taxes.
Additionally, where I might have second year tradesmen making around $15.00 per hour, and established journeymen in the $20.00s per hour, the "competition" was paying $8.00 - $10.00 per hour for most, and around $12.00 to $14.00 for those who had stuck around for a few years.
I saw the writing on the wall, sold my company and moved on. But, the industry in general was tarnished in the eyes of young people looking for a vocation. The assumption was that it wasn't worth trying to get into the industry as it didn't pay enough to make a career out of it as the illegals had taken over.
Now the perception of the industry is starting to effect the union shops like yours. People in general assume the construction trades are for illegals and not worth pursuing. And, of course, you are right in the attitude toward work ethic playing a factor also. Construction requires physical effort and many of today's youth aren't comfortable with that scenario.
By our country turning a blind eye on the illegal immigration flood for the benefit of large employers or employer groups, and to add to the consumer base of the retail and housing industries, they have just about destroyed the job market for the lower educated and lower socio economic class of this country. The jobs that segment of the population used to either earn a living, or as a stepping stone to building a career was surrendered to the almost slave labor pool created by illegal immigration.
Posted by darfor on August 25, 2007 01:14 PMMore proof,guys. We have a whole lot of very angry Americans and a do-nothing government. And a whole lot of other Americans very quietly planning to take this particular pile of bull by the horns.How many members of these covert groups do you suppose are in law enforcement? The military?
Posted by Jimminy on August 25, 2007 02:47 PMuno:
Before you question me on if I know what I'm talking about what construction trade do you work in?
darfor:
And before you qualify yourself can you say what illegal businesses took you out of business. Sounds to me you weren't a very good businessman. There are alot of american businesses like the one you discribed doing very good and have for many years. I know I work for one and we don't have one single illegal working for us. Sounds to me like you are a quiter and blaims others for it.
larrymc,
My husband has been a union carpenter for over 25 years. He is a great worker. I can say this because he has a good reputation in the trades and other companies have approach him to try and get him to work for them. The foremens and supers also argue over who gets him.He has never been without work.
You are right about getting quality workers. he has seen them come and go.
He also works for a company that does not hire illegals,
It's tough getting good workers in the trades now a days .
Posted by Carpenter's Wife on August 25, 2007 05:45 PMLarrymc
I saw the writing on the wall. I sold for well over $1.5 million. I don't think I was too bad a businessman. Over 70% of the business was high end remodeling and that's the area hit first and the hardest.
And, unlike your pompous ass, I quantified the market segment affected. Now it's creeping into your segment. So you can kiss my proverbial....
Posted by darfor on August 25, 2007 05:50 PMLarrymc, I don’t work in the construction trade. Why?
Posted by Uno on August 25, 2007 06:09 PMHey, Larry, at least Darfor can write a post with correctly spelled words. Does that count for anything, or does he have to write like a 4th grader like you do to be successful?
Posted by on August 25, 2007 06:14 PMlarrymc,
So, again what do you know about the some of the construction businesses and other related companies in Colorado who gave illegal aliens and their supporters the day off and transportation in the Spring of 2006 to stand on our statues and wave the Mexican flag demanding amnesty for being in this country illegally?
Posted by Ben on August 25, 2007 06:44 PMI happen to agree. Illegal immigrants (mostly Mexicans) have seriously lowered the construction standards in Colorado.
I'm hearing more and more that illegal workers have actually sabotaged construction jobs, such as roofing work, because they have an "attitude" about not being welcome here.
So what to do about it?
1. INSIST that anyody working on your home is an American citizen. Documents like green cards can be forged.
2. Check with the Better Business Bureau about reputable, established construction firms. And insist that these companies employ American citizens.
3. If construction workers start babbling in Mexican stop the work immediately. Threaten to call ICE (just say "ICE", they'll understand) and these workers will disappear.
4. Remember, if these illegal workers get hurt on your property they can SUE you and OWN your house. Established construction firms provide insurance and liability.
Colorado has become a sanctuary state for illegals. This has to stop. If the work dries up -- they will too.
CA
Posted by on August 25, 2007 07:24 PMHave you noticed that larrymc and An American use the same syntax and misspell the same words the same way? Hmmmm....
Posted by on August 25, 2007 09:18 PMLarrymc ,
America didn't need you to build our country.
You really, really, believe that lie don't you??
You think just because you sweat you work hard..you don't have to work construction or roofing.. to work hard. Some work hard in air conditioned offices..maybe only burros can
do that work..although Americans did it all thru history of America. Now you come with the mud still on your shoes and want to call our people down..concern yourselves with Mexico and their peoples work ethics....
Maybe if ice raids all the fast foods our teenagers can have after school jobs again.
Sounds like a good opportunity for Co-ops, Franchisor's and Unions to consider. Should not be even part of the government process. They could afford it if the CEO's trimmed their income and perks just a tad.
Posted by on August 26, 2007 07:25 AMYea it sounds like larrymc is full of it. I own a small construction company. I was booming in the 90's and dropped off in 2001 by 50%.
In 2004 I went to a condo project at 52nd and kipling. they had 10 ft fence around the whole city block. Iwas not allowed in by a illegal watching the gate. Iwas the wrong type, I was American.
larry is the type that thinks everyone in construction is there to make HIM or HIS COMPANY MONEY. Not to make a living wage.
Was that building on the ranches called ranch house? Why not a tent city in an up and coming development. Just think, a labor ready industry could put them up in apartments. They need to solve their own labor problems. Lots of opportunity to do so.
Posted by on August 26, 2007 07:37 AMLarrymc,
Money talks, pay us a livable income and watch these American workers. If you don't, we will make you go to Mexico and get help yourself. Do it legally or I will turn your ass in.
To all those that have attacked me. I have not once said I'm for illegal workers I'am not. All I have said is that in the construction trades there is a worker shortage. And yes there is many reasons why. Money is one of them. But the first time you righties read that a union is going on strike for more money the first thing that comes out of your mouths is those union trouble makers. Now I'm not union I'm in management but their is a money issue here. The owner of our company knows that. But we are talking competition. But what I have said before it doesn't matter how much we pay the youth of today won't do laber work. Now I'm not talking all but most. The other problem is our schools. They guide these kids into high tech industries. The good old wood & metal shops are gone. The trade schools are not all gone but almost. Uno said I don't know what I'm talking about so I ask him what construction trade he was in and he said none " why". So it looks like he don't know what he's talking about. Go to any construction company out there and do some research and ask them about hiring people today before you want to debate with me Uno. fw said "larry is the type that thinks everyone in construction is there to make HIM or HIS COMPANY MONEY. Not to make a living wage. " What a stupid statement. Well of course we want to make money. My company and other companies don't make money no one makes a living wage. HELLO!!!!
larrymc: -
You said, "But we are talking competition." That's what fw and darfor were talking about above. Competition between 2 legitimate companies is good open market winner takes all and fair competition. Competition between a company playing by the rules with workman comp, pays their proper taxes and pays their workman a decent wage and a company using illegals with cheap wages, little or no workman's comp and paying under the table to avoid taxes is not fair competition. The homebuilding and remodeling industry has just about been taken over by contractors and subs who hire illegals and don't pay for coverage, taxes, insurance and a decent wage.
I work for a union shop where a large part of our work is covered under Davis-Bacon. We very seldom win bids when going for jobs not wage and standards protected by a governmental tie in requiring David-Bacon to be followed. I'm talking about jobs that cost out at between$1mill and up to $100mil. Non union shops with good craftsmen and playing by the rules we can compete with by shaving profit margin and working with minimal crews. We can't compete with companies using illegals at $10 to $12 an hour, not carrying full worker's comp and hiding or playing games with taxes. They'll cut 35% to 40% off the job. As long as the finished project is insured the greedy developers are slowly moving over to these contractors.
Owens Corning used to be one of the largest home re modelers in Colorado. My next door neighbor is one of the few surviving supervisors still with the company. Owens Corning is about 1/4 the size they used to be because they are losing jobs to companies working with cheap illegal labor. It's a fact of life my friend.
I go to high schools for my company and the union to recruit graduates to come to work for us. I'm always being told its not worth it because the illegals have taken over the industry and there's no future in it anymore. It's a for real belief among kids looking for a career.
Like you guys we don't hire illegals. If the union sends one to us and we later find out that their illegal, we fire them. But just because we don't hire them doesn't mean that they are not affecting our business.
More and more jobs are being awarded to non union shops because the cost difference is getting bigger all the time. A big part of that difference is the cost in labor in paying legal vs. illegal workers, and paying for full workman's comp and taxes and cheating on comp and paying under the table with no taxes. Even if the right taxes are collected and paid, its a big cost difference to the company paying their tax share on $25.00 an hour worker and a $10.00 an hour worker.
Ken G
Posted by on August 26, 2007 11:22 AMI recently had my roof redone. I received bids from five different roofing contractors and put a condition on the bid that all workers had to be legal, no illegals were to be used. I actually selected the bid that came in right in the middle of the range. Before signing the contract I reiterated that I'd only allow legal resident workers to work on my property. The contractor showed me where he had included that in his contract.
I wasn't home when the shingles and dumpster were delivered. But I was home when the workers showed up to start stripping the old materials off. After listening to Spanish only being spoken I asked the apparent foreman if all of his workers were legal. It took three attempts to get my question across to him, to which he assured me in half English and half Spanish that they were all born here. I speak Spanish and understood the heated (a few choice thoughts about my lineage and supposed sexual proclivities) and worried exchange going on between the crew members.
When I mentioned that I thought it might be a good idea to call ICE to make verifications, they disappeared within two minutes.
I ended up with another contractor doing the work with a crew that included whites, blacks and a couple of hispanic crew members. They did an excellent job and I feel I did my part in supporting fellow American workers. If more homeowners and general contractors would assume this attitude perhaps we wouldn't be having the discussion above.
Posted by carl on August 26, 2007 11:57 AMcarl:
Thank you for making my point for me. You found out how hard it is to find " white " american workers to do that type of work. You can find them but get ready to pay through the nose for the work. 99 percent of the american public will not do it they will go to the bottom price. So who is to blame? Those same people that complain about illegals until they find someone that will clean their house, pool, or landscape their yard. And alot of these idiots that have been jumping on me on this post are just as guilty they just won't admit to it. They want the best of both worlds they don't want that illegal here but they want everything to stay cheap. PEOPLE YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!
Illegal aliens aint cheap larrymc. These vids break it down for you. So I guess we have come full circle. If Americans got paid more they could pay other Americans more. With more pay, I bet the quality and craftmanship would be better. More young ones would be drawn into these jobs. See larry, this is the type of problem solving I wish to see in your industry so as to not continue bringing in laborers with 5th grade educations, year after year and citizens suffering the consequences and footing the cost.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=illegal+aliens+and+cost&search=Search
Posted by Ben on August 26, 2007 01:03 PMlarrymc
I don't know if I made your point or not. The contractor I hired to finish the job came in fourth lowest of the five who originally bid. He was actually cheaper than the first one I signed with. When I questioned him about his price and quality he replied that while he may make a little less profit per job, his quality gets him more referrals and work overall. He pays his employees good in order to assure that quality.
He claims that he has six crews altogether and a "waiting list" of around 30 guys who want to go to work for him. As he develops guys on his crews that can correctly supervise a crew he will start another crew.
My neighbor across the street went with a contractor who did use illegals. Since he's found leaks, the city is asking him where his permit is and the contractor is no where to be found.
Posted by carl on August 26, 2007 01:36 PMYo Nick: I don't mind being castigated; it is the price all posters pay for their attempt to dazzle with their brilliance; however, I heard this from Bill Moyers on PBS. I would not call Bill a fool. It was not my brilliance that articulated Bush's sentiment that illegal aliens could sign up for the military and earn citizenship. Castigate Bill Moyers. Yo Uno: I was corrected for using a capital 'I' on Ipod: It is always "i' ~~~ ipod ~~~ Yo, Richard Grimes, the sweetest name in any language. Don't flog me, Nick, I say it in jest.
Deicide Corner: “In my parents' general view, new things were better than old, and the very fact that some ritual had been performed in the past was a good reason for abandoning it now. Because what was the past, as our forebears knew it? Nothing but poverty, superstition and grief. 'Think for yourself,' Dad used to say. 'Always ask why.'” Barbara Ehrenreich
Posted by RG r22037@yahoo.com, Deicide/Risen Ape ffrf.org. Web: http://www.geocities.com/r22037/think.html on August 26, 2007 01:44 PMBen:
You have not been understanding me or reading all my posts. I agree with everyone on the problem with illegals. And to just run out and double the wages would be a could solution. But like I said in my last post what will the american public do when the house prices double, a McDonalds hamburger costs $10:00, a head of lettace cost $10:00? And that is just to name a few. I'm trying to tell you it is us the comsumers that are to blame. We want the cheapest price and we don't want to pay for everything. Now I will tell you what people need to worry more about then illegal mexicans, and that is china. Do some research on them and you will find out that they are taking over this country a hell of alot faster than mexicans. But it is also for the same reasons. Get up right now and do a inventory on your belongings and see how much was made in china. If your really concerned then open your wallet and go buy everything that is made in america. GOOD LUCK!!!!
so that larrymc can buy cheap Mickey Ds --
Mexico Engaged in ‘Labor Dumping’
The underlying reason for America’s illegal alien problem is a sick economic system in Mexico that leads to the “dumping” of labor into the U.S.
That’s the view of Steve H. Hanke, a professor of applied economics at the Johns Hopkins University and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.
To illustrate how “labor dumping” functions, he points to Yugoslavia under Tito, which sought to deal with a surplus of workers.
“Opening Yugoslav borders — at least by communist standards — provided Tito with the means to dump surplus labor and mask flaws in the paradise of worker-managed firms,” Hanke writes in Forbes magazine.
The result: By the early 1970s “Tito’s broom” had swept 11 percent of the Yugoslav labor force into Western Europe, and those workers sent home money that amounted to 30 percent of Yugoslavia’s exports.
Today Mexico is the world’s largest labor dumper. But politicians on both sides of the immigration reform debate “fail to mention the source of the problem: Mexico’s statist [highly centralized] economy,” according to Hanke. “Like Yugoslavia, Mexico can’t produce enough jobs . . .
“Rather than modernize the economy, Mexico’s politicians use Tito’s broom.”
As a result, 30 percent of Mexico’s labor force is working in the U.S., and last year they sent home $23 billion, 12 percent of Mexico’s exports.
Hanke concludes: “There is little chance of stemming migrant inflows as long as the countries supplying immigrants embrace policies that effectively mandate labor dumping.”
Posted by on August 26, 2007 05:11 PMlarrymc, I'm aware of the huge trade deficit with China. I don't buy anything that is not necessary and am concientious about supporting Americans. An example is Dunkin Donuts. They make sure all applicants are legal workers, so I go out of the way to buy their product.
I read somehwere that if all the illegals where replaced with workers who are going through our immigration system, ALL produce would only rise $10.00 per year. Where did you pull those inflated figures from? Compare Big Mac prices before amnesty 1986 and now. (20 million illegal later. See what I mean. We didn't need them then illegally then and we don't need to set up yet another (10th)GWP/amnesty now. Like all of a sudden after 250 years of working to become the biggest and best economy in the world, enforcing immigration laws and deport as per Immmigration Reform of 1986, is going to send the country into financial ruin. It's all a bunch of bull. Illegal workforce make up only 4% of the entire United States work force. Uneployment is what, 6%?
Posted by on August 26, 2007 06:09 PMfw,
There's townhouses on 88th Washington,
that were built last yr. Big fence around it
too. With all illegals working there.
The reason I say illegals is that one day as I came out of Walgreen's A huge coach bus
pulled up the bus said USA_AMERICA on it the men had towels around their neck after washing up got in the bus and left. I think they finished the job and was going back to Mexico. The bus commutes them back & forth. I should of called ICE. Next time I will.
An economy cannot survive if it is based entirely on service sector, management engineering, investor and elite classes. There has to be a healthy, functional, tax paying legitimate middle class and the majority of it has to be comprised of legitimate citizens and legal residents.
And someone in that country has to make things.
It's a pity so many glad handers, big box evangelists and outsourcing apologists refused to learn the lessons of Rome before Rome burned again. Apparently the lessons of ten thousand years of civilization don't count for anything on either side of the equation.
And that's just my two cents worth...
larrymc,Here I am.Where I live we have a large # of illegals living,working here.It does hurt get under bidded because these larger companies who hire these people pay alot less than I pay my employee's.I start the lower laborers at 15 and anyone American with experience with 20.That's girls too.The trouble is finding reliable American workers who want to work .The illegals will work 60 hours a week.I do work for a very well known gov. of a very large state.While working there I will see through the day up to 15 illegals doing certain service jobs on the property.I down't have a solution to the problem,and hadn't seen anybody come up with a good solution.But one thing I know is we have to cite the sanctuary cities and punish those politicians that allow it.
Posted by Keith on August 26, 2007 08:08 PMMore positive steps being taken...
Tulsa - Tens of thousands of Hispanics have left the Tulsa area. And, a law designed to crack down on illegal immigration hasn't even taken effect yet. But, there's a catch.
East Tulsa is where the majority of Hispanics ended up settling. They came by the thousands and now they're leaving that way, too. And, it's all because of one word -- deportation.
Business owner Simon Navarro came to America for a better life. And, he found one on Tulsa's east side.
"I have 11 years here in Tulsa," he says.
But, a tough new state law has much of Tulsa's immigrant population fleeing for fear of deportation.
"Two months ago I heard 25-thousand Hispanics have left Oklahoma," Navarro says.
That is about 30-percent of Oklahoma's Hispanic population.
"They are leaving. A lot have already left."
Francisco Trevino runs Tulsa's Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. He says the exodus hurts a lot of people working in a lot of fields.
"I think restaurants, construction, lawn care they do everything we don't want to do," he says.
It's making it hard for local companies to find workers. But, officials are standing firm. If they are here illegally, it's a one way trip home.
And, the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office is doing its part to move things along. This week, they're training deputies to handle the deportation process. And word is spreading quickly. Simon has already said a lot of goodbyes.
"People are leaving," he says. "They're scared of the sheriff."
In the end, Trevino says it hurts everyone.
The American citizens in the state of Oklahoma suffer. It's as simple as that."
There is a large group of people on the other side who believe the new law, which takes effect in November, is a good idea.
Most illegal immigrants are ending up in either Kansas or Arkansas. But, that may not be for long. Arkansas is about to adopt a law like Oklahoma's. Kansas is considering the same thing.
HERE'S MORE ON THE OKLAHOMA LAW RE ILLEGALS
House Bill 1804 was passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate of the Oklahoma Legislature. The measure's sponsor, State Representative Randy Terrill, says the bill has four main topical areas: it deals with identity theft; it terminates public assistance benefits to illegals; it empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws; and it punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.
Oklahoma is no longer "O.K." for illegal aliens, Terrill observes. "When you put everything together in context," he contends, "the bottom line is illegal aliens will not come here if there are no jobs waiting for them, they will not stay here if there is no government subsidy, and they certainly won't stay here if they know that if they ever encounter our state and local law enforcement officers, they will be physically detained until they're deported. And that's exactly what House Bill 1804 does."
The Oklahoma legislator is pleased the bill he sponsored into law was signed by Governor Henry and believes it will go a long way to curb the illegal immigration problem in the state. "I would remind people that states are separate sovereigns in our federal system," Terrill points out. "Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and take an American federal government class in college," he says.
As a result of that sovereignty, the Oklahoma lawmaker insists, "we have as much right -- in fact, I would argue, a responsibility -- to protect our taxpayers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that international border, but doesn't do that."
Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of protecting the international borders of the United States, states like Oklahoma must take action to deal with the problem that is costing taxpayers in the state $200 million a year in public benefits, law enforcement costs, and other resources.
I just may move to Oklahoma!! Sounds like their reps have a helluva lot more sense then our Colorado (sanctuary city) ding bats in power have!
Posted by A on August 27, 2007 08:27 AMIllegal aliens are self deporting in georgia, unfortunately some not to Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe1WO27B_I
Posted by Ben on August 27, 2007 06:33 PMBen,
I just saw the Video..they're scrambling
alright..I can't believe they even post up in the South ..like Arkansas or even Iowa...We'd
never live there..they just don't know what their getting into. The second video was really disturbing..doesn't look like they came to work..but for civil war..And this ISN"T EVEN their country and don't belong here.
They truly don't get it.
We don't need a guest worker program,
there's enough..excessive.
40acres - here's video of blacks speaking out in LA against the illegals taking their jobs. You're not a lone voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgNoZNY5Mg&mode=related&search=
Posted by on August 27, 2007 08:21 PM