Tuition tied to parents, not student
Why do we have to make simple things complicated? It is my understanding that a student pays in-state or out-of-state tuition dependent upon where the parents have legal residence (“Fee break for kids of illegals sought,” Aug. 3, “A citizen is a citizen,” Aug. 9 and “Changing course on tuition,” Aug. 10).
By definition, parents who are in this country illegally are not legal residents of Colorado. Therefore, a student who is a U.S. citizen and has parents who are not legal residents of Colorado should pay the same rate that any other student who has parents who are not legal residents of Colorado.
The issue is the legal residence of the parents, not the citizenship of the student. Simple!
If the student is an adult and has established appropriate legal residency in Colorado, then the student should pay in-state tuition. Again, simple!
Jane E. Lupp, Lamar
but wait they are here illigally just to improve thier lives at our expense. they will get a free college education on the backs of legal tax payers and then they will be able to complain of know jobs for Americans, even though they are not an American.
the politicians long ago with a liberal supreme court re wrote the meaning of the 14th amendment.
Its all of that reconquista crap. As long as the white man can and should pay for the free hand outs to ILLEGAL hispanics it will be deemed ok by all those progresive thinkers. So what if you have to pay more for your own child who by race has been determined unfit for scholorships and lower tuition. Make the white man pay for it all. After allisn't all the world problems the fault of the white anglo saxon protestant? So sure make him pay for it. Then screw his children of any better life.
Posted by on August 16, 2007 05:55 AM5:31
Who is getting a "free college education" by asking to PAY in state tution? It is a silly practice to tie the status of an adult to their parents in the first place. But, however one feels on the issue, it is not a matter of anyone seeking a free education, simply a somewhat more affordable one. Do you even read what you are babbling about? Do you not see that it makes absolutely no sense at all?
5:55
The "white man" is the one paying less. The "white man" still has a vastly disproportionately better life and more opportunity than anyone else in this country.
Posted by Kyle on August 16, 2007 06:25 AMKyle,
You are ignorant about better life and opportunity- everybody in this country has the same opportunity to excel in life - not just the "white man"
This is a free country with many educational opportunities and financing options, scholarships, grants, etc. If you try - you succeed - if you sit back and whine that your are brown, Black or Green then you'll never go anywhere. Look at all of the Affirmative action laws and tell me how if your skin is other than white - you have less of an opportunity?
Mike Rosen had a thought on the issue - and while I don't always agree with him, this is one I can live with: once the citizen student of illegal immigrant(s) has graduated from high school, the student applies for emancipation, which means that the student is responsible for proving state residency, etc & then qualifies for in-state tuition, providing the illegal immigrant parent(s) stop fighting deportation & leave the country immediately! Otherwise, since as the letter writer pointed out residency requirements for a student are based on the parent/guardian(s) legal residence - all a parent whose child wants to attend college/university in Colorado has to do is send the child to stay with a friend or relative in Colorado for whatever the residency requirement is to get in-state tuition. Can Colorado - which is forecast to raise in-state tuition 66% really no out of state tuition?
Posted by Mary on August 16, 2007 08:32 AMIF we are going to give illegals instate tuition then it should be that way for EVERYONE in the country as well. IF we aren't willing to do that FIRST , then Illegals should get nothing either.
Posted by Fresh on August 16, 2007 09:43 AMWell,Attorney General Suthers did kinda put his foot in it.Even though there won't be a lot of people personally affected,it still makes the state look like it's collaborating with a bunch of scofflaw aliens. If government doesn't come up with a humane solution the people will take care of the problem.The peoples' solution will be less humane,and perhaps a little more final.
Posted by Jimminy on August 16, 2007 10:00 AMThe white people in this country should just hand over all the money and roll over and die.
They aren't willing to work hard to make money, but we are. Shouldn't we get the reward for that?
Posted by Viva La Emigre on August 16, 2007 11:30 AMViva La Emigre,
Spoken like a true invader from south the boarder with his hands out wanting all he can get for free. While living off the backs of those he steals from and lies to.
your contempt in saying whites wont work is a steaming pile of bean burrito mad from the nieghbors dog in the alley. It isnt we wont work its we are loseing our jobs to thiefs and those who have no bills to pay along the line of insurance be it medical or auto. We want a living wage not left overs from thiefs and thugs
Posted by on August 16, 2007 12:07 PMFunny, tell them brown, black, green to stop complaining you say. Then when they do, and try for in state tuition you all bitch about that.
Nice Mary, that's like making me pay my deadbeat parents debts.
In state citizens get in state tuition, it should depend upon where the student lives.
Many people live with friends or relatives to establish residency, any citizen can do that.
Talk about whiners, how many of you haves personally lost anything to an illegal?
Reality check here, a lot of you sound llike recordings from right wing radio. What have you, and you alone, lost to say Mexican illegals.?
We, in the US, should have our leaders use the same tactics on our southern border as the past president of mexico, Vincent Fox and the current president, Calderon, use on their southern border to stop illegal immigration. SHOT TO KILL!!! is the order that is and was given by the presidents of Mexico. And if those mexicans still want us to give them back the land we 'stole' from them, then all they need to do is give the US back the $18,000,000.00, the mexican government took as payment for california, texas, new mexico and arizona.
Posted by not here on August 16, 2007 12:24 PMAt one time you could support a family working in the construction industry. The invaders have killed that opportunity by working for slave wages. Now we are to educate them at a reduced cost so they can become engineers, teachers etc. Is they any reason to believe that they will not do the same thing to the job market for engineering proffession? So we are being asked to finance our own demise. Oh well at least big business can hire engineers at minimum wage.
Posted by on August 16, 2007 12:58 PMI believe the letter writer is correct in stating that the residency of the student is determined by the residency of the parent. At least that is what it was in 1977 when I went to CU. In fact I had a friend of mine whose parents were transferred with IBM, so he emancipated and lived with us for 6 months until school started to help continue his residency.
How did the AG get around this or has the policy changed over the past 30 years (probably)?
Posted by Elwood on August 16, 2007 01:23 PMLike i said if we arent willing to give everyone citizen in the coutry instate tuition then illegals should not get it either
Posted by Fresh on August 16, 2007 01:25 PMNot here should not forget to add interest to that sum.
Posted by on August 16, 2007 02:40 PMIf they give in-state to children born here but have parents that are illegal,they will be circumventing the law. If they do that then all past students who have paid out of state tuition should recieve refunds.Any one wanting to attend college in Colorado should pay in state tuition.
Again we are forced to bend our laws to give illegals what the think they deserve and meet their demands again.
What's next?
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 16, 2007 03:01 PMAmen you ask "What's next?"
Here's a sampling:
Burkas and Sombreros
Goat Meat and Burritos
Prayer Rugs and Rosarys
Jihadists and Re-conquista
Eat no Pig and live like Pig
And on, and on, and on!
Posted by A on August 16, 2007 05:10 PMA ,I'm surprised you forget the footbaths.
Long day? lol
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 16, 2007 07:16 PMAmen, didn't forget just couldn't find an exact parallel.
Guess I could have written Footbaths and No Baths! LOL!!
Posted by A on August 17, 2007 09:01 AMDon't all you legal residents know that we ALWAYS make amendments to our laws to accomodate border criminals?
A quote from Mike Rosen's column in today's Rocky, "In 1862, US Attorney General Edward Bates declared, The Constitution does not make a citizen. It is in fact made by them. That is, for a child for to be born a US citizen, he must be born to a US citizen,NOT AN ALIEN, legal or illegal. That's why children born in the United States to foreign diplomats are not regarded as US citizens."
Where did we get stupid? Illegals come here to have their children (FREE) and that's their ticket to stay here, not making any attempt to become legal. That's our BIG MISTAKE right there, letting that go on. It wouldn't be quite so attractive if they couldn't come here and have their little anchor babies, would it?
We should work to get that changed, and fast.
Posted by c on August 17, 2007 11:16 AMViva la Emigre--
It's that attitude that makes LEGAL residents of this country despise you more. WE OWE YOU NOTHING.
If you are here illegally you are nothing more than a criminal. We should reward you for being a criminal and a thief?
You must be crazy if you think we will roll over and die. You are the kind that I would personnally like to kick your ass back over the border.
Posted by c on August 17, 2007 11:24 AMWhile the parents may be criminal, that has absolutely nothing to do with the children. If the children are citizens according to the constitution, then they are obviously NOT illegal immigrants, and should be allowed subsidized tuition in the state in which they reside.
Posted by Kyle on August 17, 2007 06:16 PMYo,Kyle...Citizenship isn't the issue,residence is.An illegal is by definition a non-resident,therefore his dependent children,whose residency is driven by that of the parent are also nonresident.The Attorney General's opinion to the contrary merely makes him wrong and incompetent,perhaps criminally so.
Posted by Jimminy on August 17, 2007 06:32 PMKyle,
Did you check the year the US Attorney General made that quote,? 1862.
What happened to our common sense? Look where we are now.
Posted by c on August 17, 2007 09:26 PMThe US Attorney General is NOT the interpreter of the constitution, so what they may have said on the issue is completely and utterly irrelevant. Until the constitution reads all citiziens instead of all persons, then children born in the US are rightfully citizens. Citizens born to illegal immigrants are the only citizens who do not recieve subsidized tution, and as such the system is not fair. It is not right to directly punish children because of their parents, no matter what your view on immigration. Most college freshmen are 18 or older, which makes them legal adults. It is a stupid policy to tie their residency to their parents instead of where they themselves, as adults, reside.
Posted by Kyle on August 18, 2007 05:45 AMNOW we're getting somewhere! Everyone who doesn't like the Suthers opinion(I'm one of them) should read Kyle's 5:45 post.He says what he thinks and why.No flames,no ad hominem,no BS. That's what civilized discourse is about.We could use more of it.
Posted by Jimminy on August 18, 2007 10:27 AMThe original reason for having non resident tuition is that state colleges are run at a loss- in state tuition does not and never was intended to cover actual education costs.It's a service to the public,so that people can get a college education for their children without having to pay the astronomical fees charged by private colleges.It also provides the resident public with more college graduates. Out-of-state tuition is a revenue generating device to lessen the loss to state government and accurately reflects that out of staters have no real local investment and shouldn't be ripping off those of us who do.So they pay more.As they should.
If there were ever a definition of someone ripping off the locals by consuming services,stressing the environment,committing crimes,and lying to get public benefits,all the while sending every penny they can not only out of state,but out of the country,it's the illegals.In this socio-philosophical context as well as in the context of black-letter law,Attorney General Suthers' recent edict shows the most toweringly arrogant contempt for the folks who keep things running hereabouts,and there will be payback.
Saying kids who were born here by parents here illegally is like saying if two people go to rob a store but one stays in the car and someone gets killed the driver is not doing anything wrong. Guilty by association.
Illegal by association.
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 18, 2007 05:34 PMCan I get an Amen -
AMEN!
Posted by c on August 18, 2007 08:12 PM