Tuition wrangle
If jobs for illegal aliens were no longer available, because of strict penalties and enforcement of laws requiring employers to verify the legal status of workers, and we no longer provided free education, free medical care, welfare benefits, etc., to illegals, we would solve the illegal immigration problem in short order. We wouldn’t need border fences. If we take away the incentives to be in the U
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Posted by on August 9, 2007 03:21 PMMost of the most sought after school districts in this state are very stringent about verifying that their students live in their district. If they school districts could be as stringent about verifying US citizenship, it would deter many illegals from bringing their families here. I agree with the letter writer that the solution to the immigration problem is not fences and walls but about incentive.
Posted by idk on August 9, 2007 03:22 PMRead today's RMN editorial. They, as expected came out in favor of this proposal. Of course the RMN is pro-illegal alien. Over half of their newspaper delivery people are illegals. If you go into one of their distribution centers where the delivery people pick up their papers its like walking into Mexico with no english spoken. You can arrange to buy false id there for about $300.00 US. The RMN aims to please!
Posted by on August 9, 2007 05:08 PM5:08
WOW! When my subscription expires I will not renew it. Thanks!
all of you are F'n morons if you think anything is going to change regarding Illegals and the benefits we WILL continue to give them
Posted by Fresh on August 9, 2007 05:16 PMJust released, and about time!
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration plans to step up immigration enforcement by raising fines on employers who hire undocumented workers, overhauling temporary worker programs and speeding up deployment of border agents, according to a summary of the plans.
Now, is it for real?
Posted by on August 9, 2007 05:43 PM5:43
I seriously doubt it is anything but lip service to appease the MILLIONS of mindless drones call the american public. but just for the hell of it, lets say it is for real, I would bet ANYTHING that the "FINES" being imposed are just a slap on the wrist and are hardly a real deterrant.
the way to REALLY fix this problem would be to
1. ELIMINATE free k-12 education to anyone that cannot provide proof of american citizenship upon enrollment.
2 ELIMINATE all medical benefits to anyone who that cannot provide proof of american citizenship.
3. ELIMINATE any possibility for obtaining a job here without proof of american citizenship by REVOKING the business license from any business for 3 offenses ( 3 strikes your out rule )
But we all know this wont happen because we are all too stupid and lazy to make it that way and our rulers in washington cannot give a SHT about what the avg dumbazz american thinks or wants
Posted by Fresh on August 9, 2007 05:51 PM5:14
The same person delivers both the rMN and the DP since the merger. ALL newspapers delivered in Denver, Wall Street, USA, new york times, etc are all delivered by the same people in established routes.
Posted by on August 9, 2007 05:52 PMIf we really want change let's get busy and put up some ballot initiatives. We can wait intil the cows come home (and give chocolate milk) for the politicians to change things. I would suggest one for employers, imposing very high fines for illegal hiring, one requiring that all applications for state benefits be printed only in English and at least one separate initiative making it completely clear that only legal residents qualify for in-state tuition rates. I'd add one more instructing the state to file suit against the federal government for requiring the state to issue birth certificates to the children of illegals. We can do it. It won't be easy. The name calling here is mild compared to the hissy fit the libs will throw, make that all the politicians and the majority of the media too. They might not pass and we'd get outspent twenty to one. perhaps it might help elect a state legislature NOT trying to give away our country. At the very least it will keep the media and the politicans from burying the issue.
Posted by momma y on August 9, 2007 06:19 PMHopefully, we will continue to provide a way for all the people living in our country to get an education. And hopefully we won't resort to starving people out as a means of reducing the illegal immigrant population. In other words, hopefully American values will continue to be American values.
Posted by Truth on August 9, 2007 06:31 PMtruth; if they don't want to starve they can always just go home. They've displaced American workers long enough which resulted in a lot them (the displaced) being on the public dole. The illegals gambled by sneaking into this country and have benefited for quite awhile. Them throwing snake eyes after holding the job dice for a long time just ends a long, profitable good role. It doesn't sentence them to death.
Posted by on August 9, 2007 06:52 PMTurth, since you arent someone who agrees with ACCOUNTABILITY for ones actions, then i suggest I send you all my bills for everything so you can pay them and then you send me some of your money to feed my family, because i no longer want to follow laws or have any accountability for my actions or responsibilites.
come on truth, where are your american values?
Posted by Fresh on August 9, 2007 07:10 PMHey, Fresh, you aren't the new darling pet project of today's modern liberals. Blacks are out (now they have an opportunity to stand up for them selfs and flourish) and illegal aliens are in. If you want truth's help, leave the country, gain citizenship in whatever country you're temporarily residing in; and, then sneak back across the border.
Then, waulla! truth and others like him will embrace you and look to confiscate money from the rest of us in order to educate your kids, pay your medical and in general support you. In addition, he and his friends will look around for a slave labor job currently being clung to by an American who was not smart enough to follow your example of becoming an illegal and get him/her fired so that you can have the job.
Such a deal...only in America!
Posted by on August 9, 2007 07:20 PMThanks for the kudos guys, but no, I'm not going to go back to sending out the T-shirts. Unless, of course, you beg me.
Posted by Truth on August 9, 2007 08:13 PMYou folks do realize that Mr. Skaggs was saying that the US born children of illegals (referred to by many as 'anchor babies') should get in-state tuition, not the children who are also illegal immigrants? Of course as some folks pointed out on the Mike Rosen show Tuesday morning, for any other prospective student to get in-state tuition (in this and most other states), it must be proven that they (1) live with their parents & (2) have lived in-state for a defined number of years. That could be rather tricky for the illegal immigrant parent(s) to prove. Mike Rosen's suggestion: allow the high school graduate who wants in-state tuition to become emancipated, and if the parent(s) are willing to be deported to their home country, allow that student to have in-state tuition. To do otherwise would mean that without proof of residency ANY student would have to be granted in-state tuition (that by the way is a federal law). In-state tuition (which has skyrocketed due to lack of funding for higher ed in Colorado) is about 1/3 the cost of out of state tuition - so - can Colorado, or any state, afford to give in-state tuition to students who cannot prove their residency?
Posted by Mary on August 9, 2007 08:29 PMI believe this proposal concerns LEGAL children (and US citizens) of illegal parents.
Posted by Liam on August 9, 2007 10:16 PMA dependent child takes the legal residency of its parent,whether it's an anchor baby or not.Not legal? No residency,and no in-state tuition.For Skaggs as Commissioner of Higher Education to thumb his nose at the law makes his employer unworthy of respect.For the Rocky to applaud our scofflaw Commissioner calls their credibility in question. A discerning power structure would hear the population saying "This is a big problem.Fix it now.Fix it right,or we will.Then we'll figure out what to do with the people we tasked to do the job but didn't."
Posted by Jimminy on August 9, 2007 10:36 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:02 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:03 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:03 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:04 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:04 PMLA LEE DA DATTY DA the beat goes on...illegal this illegal that. Why the hell don't you people get a life and leave this subject alone already?? You've had your way with thousands of undocumented immigrants being dehumanized and deported, but this is not enough for you, and you won't be happy until even the children of undocumented peoples are attacked too. What is it with you assholes? Is this how all you good ole boys get your jollies? Your fear is that you are no longer a majority...this gots you crappin all over yourselves because you fear you may lose something? What is it you're afraid of losing? Your trust funds? Your White priviledge position? All you all fools need to get on with your lives and let this alone because like I said we ain't going nowhere. Place all the pressure you need to on your governing powers to get rid of us...it won't do no good because you see we've always been here, and the only damn way you are going to get rid of us is to come get us. Come on you damn chicken shits...your so tough aren't you now you have to go after children. You are some of the sickest slime to walk this planet. You don't even deserve to be considered human because your of the devil, and guess what you're going to burn straight down in hell, and yes there is a hell!!
Posted by Kicking Bird on August 9, 2007 11:04 PMBorn here = U.S. Citizen
Receive a birth certificate at birth, and this is your proof of citizenship. Anyone that would deny these rights is taking illegal action. All you people calling out the "anchor babies" best take a good look around because your daddy's daddy's daddy jumped off a boat which makes you the sons and daughters of European illegal aliens in the Americas.
Like we said. We're asking nicely for the government to fix this now,and fix this right.Or we will.
Posted by Jimminy on August 9, 2007 11:31 PMOhhhhhhhhh Jimminy you're so scary and oh so tough. You won't last a minute!!
Posted by RR on August 9, 2007 11:38 PMRR-It was actually my dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad who walked down the gangplank in 1667.Who's YOUR daddy?
Posted by Jimminy on August 9, 2007 11:44 PMInteresting sociology in Kicking Bird's otherwise rather scatological rant.Check out the "you're of the devil" statement.Bet that harks back to Catholic Spain's rabid hatred of Protestant England,a hatred no doubt exacerbated by Spain's continuing naval humiliations at England's hands,and later on our own.The Spanish usually came out second best against other advanced(for the time) European nations,but fared much better against Kicking Bird's other set of ancestors-the Neolithic but no less bloodthirsty New World cultures.Of course Hernan Cortez did get a lot of help from some other non-Aztec aborigines who had their own issues with Montezuma's ilk. Viewed in the context of half of KB's ancestors running the Spanish Inquisition and the other half running an assembly line of gruesome human sacrifice,one could argue that his statements,are actually calm,measured,and lucid.One could also argue,however,that viewed in the American context of politeness to all,KB sounds completely out of control and his handlers would be well advised to keep him away from both the State Capitol ....and firearms.
Posted by Jimminy on August 10, 2007 01:34 AMJimminy
I think KB got hold of some Kikkapoo Joy Juice and it hasn't worn off yet. From the government announcement of strong enforcement we know the politicians have heard us. Now we have to see if they really mean it or think we can be fooled by pretty words. Dang..wish I had some of that Joy Juice. Think he'd be willing to share since I'm not a white male?
We are coming to get illegals and deport them. They ARE going somewhere.
Posted by turthy on August 10, 2007 06:02 AMKicking Bird,
Please take your toys and go home, and on the way home please take the tons of garbage that has been left on American Soil by all the wonderful illegal lawbreakers that are sneaking into our country . If you don't understand legal or illegal maybe you should go back to school or better yet buy a dictionary.
The simple fact is the Parents broke the law to come to this country and mass produce at the American Citizens expense and yes the children of the illegal lawbreaking parents are paying for it, but than again if the illegal lawbreaking parents stayed in their own country to mass produce at their own expense and/or the governments expense, WHAT..OH MY... Guess what this would not be an issue than, would it?
You are the other pro-illegals are finding out that there is more and more of us, than you and for every day that you guys protest in the streets and sick your little pro-illegal groups on us..well...this makes the American Citizens stronger and more determined than ever. American Citizens don't need to storm state Capital Buildings, we don't need to picket businesses for doing the right thing (adhereing to the immigration laws that are on the books), we don't need to have pro-illegal groups fight our battles. The American Citizens are strong and proud, we raise our voices and we were heard. The Federal Government is now starting to wake up because the Americans stood tall and proud and spoke decisively to the states and cities, they enacted laws to protect the American Citizens from the onslaught on illegal lawbreakers thinking they could storm our country with forged and/or stolen documents and demand rights they ARE NOT entitled to. If you think because one pro-illegal judge overturned a decision is going to deter us, you underestimate the American Citizens, we will not buckle, bend, or give up. GO HOME!!!!!!
Posted by plw on August 10, 2007 08:07 AMAll I know is, now that I am an official minority member in Denver County, I will be applying for the many benefits and privileges due me under Affirmative Action. I am oppressed and want some special compensation.
Posted by Gunny Bob on August 10, 2007 08:14 AMPoor, poor, Kicking Tird er.......Bird, did we law abiding American's rufflle your illegal feathers??
Get the feather out of your dishonorable illegal ass, and fly back to your dishonorable country.
Mexico needs educated, articulate, vultures such as yourself!. Oh yes, and please take that butt UGLY Mexican flag with you when you go!!
COMPRENDE??
A , I love it when your ticked off! You crack me up!
You get a big AMEN from me this morning.
UNDERSTAND??
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on August 10, 2007 10:06 AMNOT ONLY DO UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS PAY BILLIONS IN TAXES, THEY DO NOT RECEIVE THE BENEFITS THAT ALL OF YOU SHALLOW,INSECURE PEOPLE USE AS A KNEE JERK AND CHEAP EXCUSE TO JUSTIFY YOUR RACISM. OH, BY TH WAY, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE THERE WAS A UNITED STATES. YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 10:18 AMRS Lopez
My family was here before YOUR family. We had the first flood of illegal immigrants taking our lands, probably included your ancestors.
Now we are a unified nation of laws made up by many people of all backgrounds. We have to follow our laws to the benefit of all people.
If you think the illegals are treated bad, go to an Indian reservation and see how my people are treated.
In the meantime STFU!
Posted by on August 10, 2007 10:30 AMRS, Don't those benefits include all of the "under the table" wages that are paid in cash so that taxes may be avoided? C'mon, we all know it happens.
Posted by Bumpskier on August 10, 2007 10:41 AMAUGUST
NO, YOU FAMILY WAS NOT HERE BEFORE MINE. NOT ONLY DO I HAVE MEXICAN BLOOD, I HAVE NATIVE AMERICAN BLOOD. MEXICAN ARE A MESTIZO RACE. EUROPEAN AND NATIVE AMERICAN. THAT IS A FACT!
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 10:47 AMBUMPSKIER
THAT MAY STILL BE TRUE IN SOME OBSCURE CASES BUT NOT WITH TODAYS POLITICAL CLIMATE AND LAWS. I AM A CONTRACTOR. I DO COMMERCIAL AND GOVERNMENT FUNDED PROJECTS. I HAVE TO SIGN AND ABIDE THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS. DON'T BELEIVE PEOPLE PERPETUATING FALSEHOODS. LOOK AT THE REAL FACTS. UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ARE AN ECONOMIC FORCE TO OUR ECONOMY OR MAJOR MARKETING WOULD NOT CATER TO THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE BUMPSKIER
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 11:01 AMRS LOPEZ -
Would you mind using lower case typing. All caps are not equivalent to yelling to make a point. It's just rude and difficult to read.
And the mestizo race was primarily of central and northern south american origin.
The bee in your bonnet is that you'd have to start hiring legal people to work for you an you'd lose the benefit of cheap illegal labor.
And don't start howling that you pay a higher than normal wage. Employers like you have kept wages suppressed through the use of illegals for years now -- to your benefit.
I'm a contractor also. I hire only legal workers and did over $1.2 million, legally, last year.
Posted by on August 10, 2007 11:13 AMAUGUST,
I AM NOT YELLING. UPPER CASE IS EASIER FOR ME TO READ.
YOU FORGET THAT SOUTH OF THE ARKANSAS RIVER WAS NEW SPAIN. MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS AN APACHE INDIAN IN AMERICA. SHE WAS ADOPTED BY A MEXICAN FAMILY. MY GRANDERMOTHER WAS BORN IN CRESTONE COLCRADO IN 1896. SO YOU SEE AUGUST, I AM CORRECT.
I CANNOT
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 11:28 AMAUGUST,
I DO NOT HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS.
YOU ASSUME WHAT I DO NOT DO. YOU ARE JUST WRONG. THAT'S THE PROBLEM PEOPLE JUST ASSUME.
MY WORK IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNER, MYSELF AND MY DOCUMENTED WORKERS. (WHICH YOU WOULD QUALIFY AS DOCUMENTED.)
AUGUST, PLEASE DON'T ASSUME WHAT I DO BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 11:44 AMRS is right when he says illegals do (sometimes) pay some taxes,and it's also true that Social Security taxes paid on bogus and stolen numbers are retained by that system.It is also true that there's a lot of marketing to illegals.
One might,however,be just a little curious as to how much money comes out of YOUR taxes for welfare payments to the children of illegals who have (according to the mom) fled the country.We might be similarly curious about all the foreclosed properties blighting residential neighborhoods hereabouts.How many of those defaults were made by illegals? More to the point,how many of those defaults were made by legal folks whose jobs were impacted by illegals' cheap labor depressing wages?Or even more to the point,how many of the the corporations marketing to illegals are the same ones who outsource American jobs? I agree that illegals are a major force in the economy,but not for the better,and the outcry among the Hispanic community convinces me that race,not citizenship is the driving force behind their sentiments.I have said before that if government does not fix this problem,the people will,and the Weimar Republicans who control the White House and Congress,as well as most state and local governments seem not to be mindful of the trouble their inaction is brewing up.
I'm really sick and tired of those who attempt to circumvent the primary issue of LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL and turn this discussion into one of race. Is that the best you can do?
I'm really sick and tired of those who try to justify their pro-ILLEGAL alien position by using weak claims of economic benefits. Obviously, these people aren't concerned about the rising number of healthcare facilities that are having to shut down under the burden of the flood of ILLEGAL aliens seeking free health benefits. Obviously, these people aren't concerned about the rising number of American workers who are being displaced by cheap ILLEGAL labor. Obviously, these people aren't concerned about the increase in drug traffic, etc.
I'm really sick and tired of those who choose to break our laws by coming here ILLEGALLY, who demand they have a right to be here, who demand they have a right to free education, free health care, and free government handouts.
I'm really sick and tired of ILLEGAL aliens coming to the US and waving their native flags in our faces.
I'm really sick and tired of ILLEGAL aliens coming to the US, refusing to learn the English language (or assimilate in any other way) and then expecting the US to mollycoddle them.
I'm really sick and tire of those who aren't capable of understanding that, to continue allowing our nation to be flooded with ILLEGAL aliens is tantamount to losing our sovereignty as a nation.
And, I'm really sick and tired of those 'Americans' who, in leadership positions, refuse to honor the laws of our nation and who are less concerned about what is best for our country and more interested in making this into a political matter.
Posted by Ugly Duck on August 10, 2007 12:02 PMJIMMY,
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS LEAGALY APPLY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ASK THE IRS. THE ALSO DO IT TO ESTABLISH A HISTORY FOR THE DOCUMENTATION PROCESS.
JIMMY YOU ARE JUST FLAT WRONG ABOUT ABOUT YOUR VIEWS, GO CHECK OUT ALL OF THE GOVT. AGENCIES, HOSPITALS ETC. DO IT THEN SHARE YOUR VIEWS.
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, CHECK OUT THE HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT. APPLY AS AN UNDUCUMENTED WORKER AND SEE HOW FAR YOU GET.
NO THE SKY IS NOT FALLING. MY APPEARANCE IS WHITE. I GET TO HEAR ALL OF THE RACIST KNEE JERK BALDERDASH THAT I KNOW IS A PERPTUATED FALSE HOOD.
DON'T BE INSECURE AND SHALLOW.
THANK YOU.
UGLY DUCK
PEOPLE ARE SCARED, LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE WORLD. WE AS AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SMUG. AND WE THINK WE ARE BETTER
THAN OTHERS, WE ARE NOT.
THIS ILLEAGAL MANTRA IS JUST
A DIVERSION AND YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE INSECURE, DON'T BLAME OTHERS.
Posted by RS LOPEZ on August 10, 2007 12:17 PMRS,
copied and pasted from the SS website:
"If you are not a U.S. citizen, Social Security must see your current U.S. immigration documents. Acceptable documents from the Department of Homeland Security include your:
Form I-551 (includes machine-readable immigrant visa with your unexpired foreign passport);
I-94 with your unexpired foreign passport; or
Work permit card (I-766 or I-688B)."
not one mention of, if you are illegal you can obtain a social security number!!
Just a suggestion you may want to double check all of you "documented" workers, especailly now that the government is starting to look like they are getting serious about hiring them.
ILLEGAL aliens: go back to wherever you came from.
LEGAL aliens: you're more than welcome here, wherever you came from.
SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO EXPOSE THE RACIST ARGUMENT
AS WHAT IT REALLY IS, TOTAL AND COMPLETE BS?
Could I have been misunderstood? I said,and will continue to say that the favoritism shown illegals by the Hispano/Latino community IS a racial preference.THEIR race trumps THEIR citizenship.Which makes utter BS of THEIR mooing about racism.
Posted by Jimminy on August 10, 2007 12:49 PMjgd777:
An illegal CAN get a TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number) as opposed to a SS number. The TINs are issued by the IRS. Their original purpose was to allow foreign nationals in the US to pay taxes on investments, etc. Later they were adapted for use as a temporary bridge between application by a foreign national for a social security number and the subsequent issuance of a SS.
Many illegals picked up on the loop hole (in fact a brochure published by the Mexican Government explains the process for obtaining one -- I have a copy) and applied for and received an IRS TIN and never went through with an application for a SS -- which they are NOT eligible for. Unfortunately, either through legitimate ignorance or intentional disregard, of the laws pertaining to the use of TINs for continued long term work, many employers accept them in place of SS numbers.
Posted by Trinity on August 10, 2007 01:32 PMTrinity,
I am familiar with the workings of a TIN, however RS was talking about the illegals she knows that have applied and received a SS number. A TIN alone does not allow you to work in the country legally, it must be accompanied by a Green card or similar documentation.
Just another tool to circumvent our immigration laws.
Posted by jgd777 on August 10, 2007 01:48 PMRS' suggestion that I check out government agencies is well taken.Perhaps he'd agree that my three decades as a social worker might qualify as the requisite checking out of government agencies.If others saw the hatemongering anti-American, pro-anyone-who-hates-taxpayers outright racist theft of public money,not by recipients,but by public employees on behalf of recipients that goes on to this day,they'd be MORE outraged than any activist.
Today's decision by Metro State to break the law yet again is most disheartening, and is further evidence of governmental impotence to deal with its own corruption.In conjunction with the story of the Adultery Club getting a liquor license,it certainly would seem that comparing American society with the weakness and degraded moral ethics of the Weimar Republic is exactly on point. I worry that if there is another economic implosion,serious terrorist incident, or other large scale societal disruption,we'll be ready,as was 1798 France,1918 Russia,and 1933 Germany,for the likes of Napoleon,or Lenin,or Uncle Adolf to take control.
Right now,life is a cabaret,oh chum,but it could turn into Auschwitz.
RS LOPEZ...........
It is getting tiresome hearing that your race was here before the caucasian race.
I suggest you look up Kenniwick man whose remains were found on the bank of the Columbia River near Kennewick Washington in 1996.
After extensive testing this man was found to be "caucasoid" meaning "white"and according to radiocarbon testing and DNA testing lived nearly 9,300 years ago in the region.
Photographs of facial reconstruction showed a middle aged man who looked more like a "European accountant than a Paleo-Indian hunter."
The biological diversity among ancient skulls has contradicted the possibility that the Kennewick Man is closely related to any modern Native American tribes! Did you get that?????
Skulls older than 8000 years old have been found to posess greater physical diversity than do those of modern Native Americans.
The heterogeneity of these early people shows that a genetic drift had already occured, meaning that the racial type represented by the Kennewick Man had been around for (since, you like to yell,) RS LOPEZ, QUITE A LONG TIME!!!
For half a century, scientists had agreed on a common theory that hunters following large herds of game wandered across the Bering Strait land bridge 12,000 years ago. While some still believe the old hypothesis, many other scientists hold that there were NUMEROUS waves of migration to the Americas.
The different races discovered through ancient skeletal remains support the latter theory and the Caucasoid Kennewick Man was an individual representative of one of the MULTIPLE RACES to have roamed the Americas during the pre-historical period!
RS Lopez stated "Oh by the way, my family has been in the United States before there was a United States. Lopez also states: You go back to where you came from!
I guess all the Caucasians can gather at the Columbia River in Washington State USA, hold hands and sing "Home Sweet Home" We will have returned "to where we came from!"
RickyLee: "LEGAL aliens: you're more than welcome here, wherever you came from."
For years and years illegal immigrants were welcome here. Little or no border enforcement. Plenty of jobs with employers acting with impunity. Many have been here for years, have planted deep family roots here, have bought homes here, have been good neighbors, are loyal to America, have no criminal record, have been productive for the economy; provided a defense to outsourcing to foreign countries; have been instrumental in keeping industries here which otherwise would have moved out of here; we have all saved money because of them,
So should we starve them back to where they came from? I say no for those who are in the above category.
Posted by Truth on August 10, 2007 01:56 PMjdf777:
Totally accurate when you said;
"A TIN alone does not allow you to work in the country legally, it must be accompanied by a Green card or similar documentation."
Unfortunately, I also was totally accurate when I said:
"Unfortunately, either through legitimate ignorance or intentional disregard of the laws pertaining to the use of TINs for continued long term work, many employers accept them in place of SS numbers."
Hopefully, the misuse and abuse associated with TINs will be corrected in this latest announced "crackdown" by ICE.
As a side note, I personally know of three contractors who knowingly accept TINs from illegals, withhold FICA, Federal and State income tax deductions, and pocket the FICA (usually the highest amount in addition to being the one that SHOULD be matched by the employer) knowing that it will never be claimed.
Posted by Trinity on August 10, 2007 01:59 PMRS,
What does being "scared" have to do with being here ILLEGALLY? What does being "smug" and thinking "we're better than others" have to do with this issue? You just proved my point -- you refuse to deal with the real issue which is simply a matter of thousands of non-Americans ILLEGALLY crossing the United States border every day -- PERIOD! And, like so many mindless liberals, you try to cloud the issue with totally irrelevant arguments. I nearly fell on the floor when I read your statement, "This illeagal (sic) mantra is just a diversion...". Your utterly ridiculous comment only reinforces the fact that anonymity breeds ignorance.
Posted by Ugly Duck on August 10, 2007 02:03 PMTruth,
For years and years we have had immigration laws. Laws that allowed us the right to keep out criminals, loafers and people with contagious disease. Illegal immigration takes away all of the rights and put the citizens of this country in danger. Are there many good, honest, hard-working people in the group of illegals Yes! However when they choose not to go through are immigration system we can not tell which ones they are. When we can't sort them out, we need to stop everyone from entering illegally
I for one do not want to wait until they get here before we discover which ones are diseased, loafers or criminals.
Posted by jgd777 on August 10, 2007 02:32 PMTruth,
How many of the “illegal immigrants” to which you referred came to America with no intention of learning to speak English and expecting to be spoon-fed?
As an engineer, I work with (and have befriended) many, many foreigners, all of whom are here LEGALLY, learned to speak our language and have endeavored to assimilate into our culture. Most of these folks with whom I have spoken have expressed disgust toward those crossing our borders ILLEGALLY and who seem to think the US owes them automatic citizenship and a pampered lifestyle.
I was also a former electrician and recently two construction friends confirmed what I have read in that, even if an American can find a job in construction today, his/her wage will be closer to $10-$12/hr rather than $20+/hr that was common less than 10 years ago. Would you also try to convince them they’re saving money? Would you suggest that flooding our nation with an estimated 4000-5000 ILLEGAL aliens daily is providing job security to the countless number of legitimate Americans who have already been supplanted by cheap ILLEGAL labor?
One of my sons is studying to be a doctor and I’ve been afforded the opportunity to visit with many of his professors and associate physicians. All of these people expressed their concern about the rising number of healthcare facilities that are being forced to close due to the financial burden imposed by the flood of ILLEGALS seeking free care. Are you going to suggest that, as a whole, America somehow benefits from this?
On a more local level, how many ILLEGAL aliens would you personally be willing to feed, educate, provide healthcare, etc.? How many could you personally afford to take under your care – out of your own pocket? So, how many should the US expect to take in before the system collapses?
Although your comments indicate good intentions, you obviously are caught up with the “touchy-feely”. As I’ve pointed out in previous postings, this issue should not be about race, or cheap labor, or votes, or (to use your words) “starving them back to where they came from”. It is simply a matter of legality. And, as a sovereign nation, the US has the right and, moreover, the responsibility to govern who, and how many, can enter our country.
Truth has no interest in enforcing accoutability for ones actions, and there is no truth to us " starving them out" that is utter bs
Posted by Fresh on August 10, 2007 03:53 PMTruth 01:56:
This is the first post I’ve seen from you where you don’t base your argument for illegals on 100% pure emotion. However I still reject your arguments.
First, consider your argument “…; provided a defense to outsourcing to foreign countries; have been instrumental in keeping industries here which otherwise would have moved out of here.” This is erroneous because the jobs that the illegals are taking are jobs that can’t be outsourced; a physical presence is required at the work location. For the most part these are construction and service jobs where the worker has to be where the work is taking place – these are not assembly line or production jobs.
The illegals are filling jobs left in this country AFTER outsourcing has thinned the ranks of available work by moving production, call centers and the like overseas. A prime example can be seen when a few months back Wal Mart was nailed for illegal workers in their janitorial staffs – Wal Mart out sources EVERYTHING that can be out sourced.
Second, consider “…Many have been here for years, have planted deep family roots here, have bought homes here, have been good neighbors, are loyal to America, have no criminal record…” They became criminal when they entered the country illegally. They have stolen from others right from the start. First, they stole opportunity from their fellow countrymen in their home country as they jumped ahead of those attempting to migrate legally. Then once they were here illegally, they stole jobs from legal workers and have kept wages artificially suppressed for millions of legal working Americans.
How is stealing opportunity, fair wages, and a future from legal American workers any more excusable that stealing a car from that same American when he needs it to get to work? Do you forgive, for example, a car thief next door who has bought his own home and been a good neighbor? After all, he only stole cars (in a non personal, non violent manner) to get ahead in life and improve the lot of his family.
According to you, “…have been productive for the economy…” Is your being able to buy cheaper tomatoes, for example, productive to our economy? How much additional have we had to pay to build and support an infrastructure to accommodate n ever increasing population? A population which more often than not pays the minimal level of taxes to support such an infrastructure.
Bottom line, Truth, embracing the flood of illegals has been good for business. They provide a marketing outlet for products imported by big business. It’s kept wages artificially suppressed for the American working class; again, to the benefit of big business. It has devastated the American working class resulting in higher unemployment and, arguably, higher crimes rates. By artificially suppressing wages at the bottom level it has weighed as an anchor on wage levels for work above basic working class jobs.
The illegal immigrants came here ILLEGALLY. If they see the handwriting on the wall they have time to sell any properties that can't be physically moved back to their home countries. They can pack up and take with them many of the possessions that are remaining. For many years they have been benefiting ILLEGALLY from our society. There is no compassion required in sending them home.
Posted by Trinity on August 10, 2007 04:03 PMWhat's the hassle all about? According to the RMN this morning, page News 7, it's reported that the decision already been made.
"Metropolitan State College no longer will charge out-of-state tuition to Colorado residents who are U.S. citizens but whose parents are here illegally.
In an e-mail to Metro's administration Thursday, President Stephen Jordan said he has directed admissions officials to begin granting in-state tuition to students who qualify as legal residents of the state but cannot prove the status of their parents.
Those students - unless they were emancipated from their parents - were previously charged higher nonresident rates, a policy that Jordan said was based on past opinions from the attorney general's office and directives from the Colorado Department of Higher Education.
"They tied the residency status of the student to that of the parent," he said.
But Jordan changed course after discovering that other colleges and universities were not interpreting the laws and regulations that way.
The University of Colorado, Colorado State University and the Community College system apply in-state tuition to U.S. citizens born to illegal immigrants.
Posted by on August 10, 2007 09:16 PMRS LOPEZ,
See www.numbersusa.com
You can't chase all of the illegal aliens out of the country -- Wal Mart & K Mart would go belly up.
Posted by on August 10, 2007 11:14 PMHey, Mr. Truth:
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
It is a crime.
Posted by on August 10, 2007 11:27 PMAs an economist for a large corporation I would like to emphasize a few of the above references to the harm done to our society by illegal immigrants. They more than offset any positive economic contribution made.
Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime. But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.
Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.
Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.
Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.
Posted by carl on August 10, 2007 11:35 PMIllegals don't hurt anybody, unless you're a victim
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/10/schoolyard.killings/index.html
Posted by on August 11, 2007 12:01 AMThanks for the link 12.01! Looks like three more college slots opened up.Ay Caramba!
Posted by Jimminy on August 11, 2007 12:32 AMKicking Bird----the ultimate racist. What a BOZO! Rants and rants about how we should lay down and let illegals suck off this government without so much as a wimper. Who do you think you are? If you are here illegally you are no more than a thief and deserve nothing more than to have your butt KICKED back over the border.
It's amazing how many LEGAL CITIZENS are outraged by these lawbreakers (illegals) and STILL our leaders do nothing. I am feeling the hostility in these postings and rightly so. There will be an uprising some day and maybe these gutless wonders we have as leaders will listen. The crime, the drugs, the sexual predators that sneak into this country is mind blowing, The murderer of those kids in New Jersey was an illegal who had three prior arrests and was also facing an aggravated assault charge and was OUT ON THE STREET!!! WHAT AN OUTRAGE!!!
We as citizens need to do far more than just express our anger and disgust on these pages. Hound our congressmen, reps, senators until they are dizzy. American needs to wake up. We are in trouble if we don't.
To me, giving a person's opinion about how much the person thinks that the illegal immigrants hurt the country but not suggesting what to do about it is like writing half of a book and then quitting.
I presume, but certainly don't know, that those posters expressing their displeasure at the illegal immigrants who are already here think we need to get rid of all twelve million, or whatever the figure is, I expect either by deportation or by what I consider to be a quite accurate expression, starving them out by denying them the opportunity to earn the money necessary to sustain themselves.
I don't know if the posters think that there are any of the illegal immigrants who should be allowed to stay, or any who should be provided some kind of path to eventually citizenship. My impression is that many posters have no interest in seeing them as individuals or even as fellow human beings, but prefer to see them as a disposable class of troublemakers so they can be dealt with as a class rather than as individuals.
It seems to me that most people who discuss the possibility of mass deportation, (and I'm not thinking about those people on the forum who get almost giddy wanting that to happen), think it is not a good idea for one reason or another. Perhaps because of the cost, perhaps because of the social and/or economic upheaval, perhaps in part because of the effect on the world image of America, and in some cases because of questions about the morality or humanity of mass deportation.
A lot of people think we should deny the illegal immigrants, I presume all twelve million or whatever of them, the opportunity to work so that they will have no recourse except to go back to the poverty from whence they came. The idea of requiring people who have been here several years, have their own home here, have raised their children here, to sell their home (at a distress sale), pack up their American citizen children and their belongings and board a bus or plane or whatever to the hinterlands of Mexico does not sit well with me.
You see a lot of "we owe them nothing" comments. And a person owes nothing to an old lady who falls down in the street. But we go over to help her, not because of obligation but because of compassion, not because we have to but because we want to. We don't say, "well, she brought it on herself by walking on a red light, so she's doing something illegal, (or as posters enjoy saying ILLEGAL), so it's her problem". and just walk on by.
Soldiers have to learn not to see the enemy as human beings. The same is true of those who want to mass deport them or starve them out. Once you see them as human beings, once you see their children as not being that different from your own children, that becomes more difficult, at least for most civilized people. So you can read post after post without seeing any which seem to be talking about living, breathing human beings, rather than talking about problems and not people.
Posted by Truth on August 11, 2007 01:19 PMOh Truth, PLEASE. We are talking about people who have NO REGARD for the laws of this country (which you and I must follow). How many people in this country have dire economic struggles and never think of robbing a bank to fix them. It's not that they are not welcome in this country, but are expected to go through the proper channels to get here. They sneak in, ignore the fact that they have broken our law from the get-go, and continue to do so year after year after year. It boggles the mind the accomodations this country has made for them. Would you toy with the thought of expecting a foreign country to support you after you have broken their law? Would you expect free education, health care and then bitch about it when you might hit a snag along the way, such as in-state tuition for college? Would you protest in the streets demanding rights that are only intended for LEGAL citizens of this country? Would you think of stealing someone's identity and falsifying legal documents? C'mon, the American LEGAL citizens are fed up!!! Maybe you should join the Catholic church (with which I am disgusted ) and protect these lawbreakers. Maybe you should lend them YOUR Social Security number to help them out. All we want is for the immigration laws of this country to be enforced as they were intended to be. Laws of this country cannot continue to be laughed at. Perhaps you think we should abolish all laws and be permitted to do whatever we feel is best for our situation. Laws are written for a reason. They assure us that we are protected. Our immigration as it is today will be our demise. GET REAL.
Posted by c on August 11, 2007 01:55 PMTruth:
Now you're back to your old self. Without logic, just pure emotion in pouring compassion on the illegal immigrants. You look at them as human beings
with wants, desires and needs that you believe should be recognized and respected by all people and a "pass" be given their criminality.
You continue to ignore the damage they have done to the working class of this country. Those Americans are also people with wants, desires and needs. We have multitudes of legal residents and citizens living in abject poverty because they either cannot find minimal work, or they are forced to work at artificially suppressed wages due to the illegal slave labor population. Where is the compassion for this population?
We can't cure the all the ills of the world at one time (unless you're in agreement with Bush and his programs). Let's get our own legal citizens and residents back on track to a productive and fruitful life, restoring their dreams and aspirations. Then, those entering this country legally will no longer be treated as slave labor and can participate in a society that truly rewards hard work and commitment.
If this new enforcement program recently announced is going to work, it'll take three or four years to attain fruition. No one is going to be starved out or forced to sell real property at distress sale fervor. It will allow for a gradual withdrawal from society by those here illegally.
These people knowingly and willingly broke our laws and have benefited for years. No one is going to hunt them down and imprison them for their violations if they voluntarily migrate back to their home countries.
Darn it,Trinity, you caught me dead to rights, looking at the illegal immigrants as "as human beings with wants, desires and needs". I should be ashamed of myself.
Although you prefer to act as though there is only one side to the issue, there has been a great deal of controversy and debate about the effect of illegal immigration in America. You have done a good job of parroting the talking points of those who have views like your own. But making statements and verifying their validity are two quite different things. I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I am saying that you haven't shown you are right simply by making broad statements.
You like the idea of ignoring my inquiry about whether you think all illegal immigrants should somehow be forced to leave, regardless of how long or under what circumstances they have lived here because it is so much easier to talk in broad all-encompassing terms. You sure want to stay away from the fact that we are dealing with human beings. Among the people who are able to ignore the humanity of those who they dislike are the worst and most murderous people in history.
A person can recognize the humanity of the illegal immigrants and still on balance think they, or most of them, should be forced out. Your preference for ignoring their humanity does not strike me as a noble one, although it certainly makes the rhetoric flow more easily.
Your statement about the illegal immigrants voluntarily leaving is good comedy fodder.
I don't think you'll find any knowledgeable people who have the same view as you do about the efficacy of the recently announced enforcement policies. They are largely a rehash of existing policies. Given Bush's prior statements about illegal immigration, you surely realize that those policies will not result in a great wave of illegal immigrants leaving the country. In other words, we still need to decide what to do with them, an issue which you prefer to ignore or leave to inference.
Posted by Truth on August 11, 2007 05:52 PMTRUTH
Your response to Trinity only confirms what a pathetically emotional tweeb you really are. It's no wonder that people who try to discuss things with you get frustrated and give up. You can't see beyond your own blind ignorance. Dan 2 gave up on you and a couple of others just ignore anything you say on the boards. I'm joining them. I would rather debate facts and logic with someone than sentimentality.
Posted by on August 11, 2007 06:56 PMAnon 06:56
Welcome to the real world re truth. He argues like a spoiled little kid whose parent's have told him no. He throws a tantrum "But I WANT to" until he either gets his way or who leave the forum.
He's pathetic.
At least the other libs argue from conviction and reasonable grounds supporting their beliefs.
Posted by on August 11, 2007 07:01 PMShame on you 06:56PM. When you say things like "Your response to Trinity only confirms what a pathetically emotional tweeb you really are" it just makes me want to cry. On the other hand, it's kind of a first for me because I've never been called a tweeb before so I guess I should be grateful to you.
Posted by Truth on August 11, 2007 08:39 PMJimminy 11:44,pm.
Hah!! Good one!!
Posted by on August 11, 2007 11:43 PMHere's a beautiful hope, and about time! Go home illegals (and take truth with you)!
The rule that will require employers to fire employees unable to clear up problems with their Social Security numbers 90 days after they've been notified or face sanctions and a fine of at least $2,200 for a first offense. Up until now, employers have routinely ignored what are called no-match letters.
"In certain industries and in certain states, there will be a very significant impact on the functioning of businesses or entire sectors," said Deborah Meyers, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank. "Some employers are going to find themselves having to fire significant portions of their workforces, and I think there will be employees - some who are authorized and some who are not - who will find themselves out of a job."
Meyers predicted the fallout to be quite visible within six months.
Ah YES! Deportation....It has become the "American Dream" for many of us!!
It CAN be done!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by A on August 12, 2007 09:14 AMAs noted in Illegal Alien Crime Wave in Full Swing, in April 2005, the GAO released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
Of the 55,322 illegal aliens studied, researchers found that they were arrested a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien.
· They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien.
· 49% had previously been convicted of a felony, 20% of a drug offense; 18% a violent offense, and 11%, other felony offenses.
· 81% of the arrests occurred after 1990
· 56% of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
· Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
All of these crimes would have never happened, i.e. they were preventable, has we had a serious program of deportation of the illegal aliens already here and proper border security to prevent both entry and re-entry.
In reviewing those numbers, note that the study sampled only about 21% of the incarcerated illegal aliens. To get the full extent of the collateral damage, we need to apply the average number of offenses across all 267,000 currently incarcerated illegal alien criminals. Doing so results in 1,288,619 crimes!
Don’t let the mainstream media and illegal alien advocates tell you that illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and that they are here only to do the work Americans don’t want to do. Since each crime has a victim, 1,288,619 sounds like a lot of victimization to us. Also keep in mind that the 1,288,619 crimes are only the ones committed by the hard core illegal alien criminals who were finally caught and incarcerated. The ones not caught and the new criminals crossing daily are committing more crime each and every day.
Posted by on August 12, 2007 12:48 PMHow about some FAIR immigration laws?
1. There will be no special bilingual programs
in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and
all government business will be conducted in
our language.
2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote,
no matter how long they are here.
3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold
political office.
4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the
taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no
health care, nor any other government
assistance programs.
5. Foreigners can invest in this country,
but it must be an amount equal to 40,000
times the daily minimum wage.
6. If foreigners do come and want
to buy land that will be okay, BUT options
will be restricted. You are not allowed to own
waterfront property. That property is reserved
for citizens naturally born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no
demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag,
no political organizing, no 'bad-mouthing' our
president or his policies. If you do you will be
sent home.
8. If you do come to this country illegally,
you will be hunted down and sent straight
to jail.
Harsh, you say?...
The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of
MEXICO
Using 12:48PM's figures means that there are 2,225 illegal immigrants in prison for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, based on there being 12 million of them.
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there are 3,145 black prison inmates for every 100,000 blacks, and 1,244 Hispanic prison inmates for every 100,000 of them, and 471 white prison inmates for every 100,000 of them.
To be truly representative, we would need a statistic based on people within certain economic and educational parameters since people in the lower economic and educational classes go to prison at a much higher rate than to those in the higher classes.
If there are, say, 20 million illegal immigrants as some people like to claim, that would mean that there are some 1,335 of them in prison for every 100,000 of them.
Posted by Truth on August 12, 2007 08:56 PMWay to massage the figures "Truth". Is that an example of "stretching the truth" to fit the circumstances"
Here's some more "statistics and facts" for you to massage"
Last week, two MS-13 gang members – a Peruvian illegal alien, Jose Carranza – and Rodolfo Godinez, an illegal alien gang-leader from Nicaragua – executed three college bound inner-city American kids in Newark, New Jersey. Before the killings, Carranza, with 31 previous indictments, raped a five year old girl, but enjoyed bail by a lenient judge and a sloppy prosecutor. Godinez too, sported a multi-page rap sheet.
In Texas, on Sunday morning, a shootout on the Dallas I-35 expressway killed three over the weekend as that state suffers the consequences of more than 3 million illegal aliens and their family members. Nick Salinas, 20, of Cedar Hill allegedly shot and killed two men, including a good Samaritan, and wounded two others, including Sr. Cpl. Jerry Poston, a Dallas police officer. Police said Salinas then shot himself with the same shotgun used in the other shootings. He died at the scene. Salinas allegedly fired at Poston, wounding him as he came to investigate a traffic accident. The 17-year police veteran is in serious but stable condition.
More Americans, according to U.S. Congressman Steve King, die at the hands of illegal aliens annually than U.S. soldiers perish in the Iraq-Afghanistan conflict during the same time-period, by a factor of four. Last week, retired INS special investigator, Michael Cutler, vouched for the King numbers. Each day, 12 U.S. residents die from gunshots, knives, and fists – while 13 perish in vehicular manslaughter mayhem perpetrated by drunk illegal aliens. Think about it; that's 9,125 needless deaths each and every year.
While the president and Congress fiddle around, and our borders remain open 24 hours a day to invasion, America erupts in gunfire, rapes, robberies, drug running, gang killings and drunken driver accidents by the thousands weekly. Who are the victims? Short answer: American citizens...
Are ALL illegal immigrants as bad as these? Of course not; but, how do we identify the deadly ones before they erupt? If you want statistics, pre-massage, regarding the financial and human costs of illegal immigration, open your eyes and do a little OBJECTIVE research.
Posted by Trinity on August 13, 2007 09:00 AM