9/11 theory
Some people believe, and the number seems to be growing, that the towers were caused to fall by a planned conspiracy.
Up till now, I have tended to resist accepting this idea although there are many strange circumstances that have not been explained satisfactorily by either the major media channels or officialdom.
One item, though, is fairly clear and that is that our Air Defenses were penetrated on 9/11 and this is really disturbing. Boy – were they penetrated.
Over the last six decades we (taxpayers) have poured billions, even hundreds of billions of our dollars into the defenses that were supposed to shield us from the bad guys. This, on Sept. 11, 2001, was painfully obvious with the pathetic response to the attack.
In a normal capitalistic system, when we do not get what we paid for, we generally work our way back through the muck until we find the culprits, fire them and expect to get our money back.
So now – I want my money back for all those years we were taxed.
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Call me a conspitracy theorist,
But there are many unanswered questions regarding 9/11.
1. Never before in history has a steel building collapsed by fire. Even PBS did a special on the collapsing of the twin towers showing how floor by floor the weight could have crushed the one below. The odd thing was when they were done with the explanation it showed the steel frame still standing.
2. Why no black boxes? They are designed to resist fire, and jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel
3. Why no scorched earth in front of the pentagon? and why did the fire not burn with full tanks of fuel?
4. Why not one piece of airplane was found at the pentagon? Plus the hole in the building was too samll for a passenger airliner.
5. Why was ground zero not investigated thouroughly like other disasters and plane crashes? Just scoped away and buried!
6. Who is Marvin Bush?
7. How was he associated with the security of the twin towers?
8. Why did building 7 fall? Or why was it pulled?
I would love to have answers to these questions so I can stop wondering!!!!
Posted by Mike D. on September 15, 2007 02:23 PMBoth of you are extremely paranoid. Raymond, please seek some psychiatric help please.
Posted by mike h on September 15, 2007 02:36 PMmike h,
So then you have the answers to those questions then? I don't believe paranoia is a descriptive word for curiosity, I'm just asking because these questions remained unanswered and nobody addresses them...
Posted by Mike D. on September 15, 2007 02:50 PMMike D, you are the one making up things with your questions, may be you can provide evidence as to what happened in your opinion. May be you can tell us what hit the Pentagon and what happened to the passenger plane (AA 77) if it didn’t hit the Pentagon.
Posted by Uno on September 15, 2007 03:01 PMUno,
Mike D. can't answer you. He's busy trying to get the Motel 6 in Albuquerque booked for the "Aliens: They're living among us" convention.
Posted by mike h on September 15, 2007 03:06 PMUno,
Excellent question. what did happen to that plane because it sure didn't hit the pentagon. Not one shred of plane wreckage, that doesn't bother you? And mike h, I can get you a room also I'm at the front desk now making reservations. See, asking questions and being curious I know is a liberal trait, that is how people learn and investigate. Being told to go with the status quo and ask no questions is the easy part. I know conservatives hate colleges and learnin cause then you think for yourself.
Posted by Mike D. on September 15, 2007 03:21 PMOh! My! A conspirary theory line again.,
Don't leave out the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It surely must have had a . . . tendril (?) . . . in all of it somewhere.
Posted by Old Grouch on September 15, 2007 03:45 PMMike D, judging from your questions, you lack even basic knowledge of physics, building and airplane structures, how to properly analyze data for comparison of occurrences of mechanical / structural failures, and your claims which is either designed just to evoke emotional response or just plain ignorance.
Let’s see a couple:
“3. Why no scorched earth in front of the pentagon? and why did the fire not burn with full tanks of fuel?”
Why should there be scorched earth? And who ever said fire wasn’t burning?
“4. Why not one piece of airplane was found at the pentagon?”
Where did you get that lie from? Why don’t you look at picture P200030, near bottom of page
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
and dozens of others you could easily find your self. Why don’t you look at the other pictures too, while you there and see how much of that is a lie or fabrication.
“Plus the hole in the building was too samll for a passenger airliner.” – merely an opinion by those who can’t comprehend what takes place when an airplane hits a building at near full speed, a building designed to withstand bomb blasts.
“I know conservatives hate colleges and learnin cause then you think for yourself.” – apparently Mike, you didn’t take advantage of that your self. Otherwise you wouldn’t make a self-contradictory statement, like you just did.
"Mike D, judging from your questions, you lack even basic knowledge of physics, building and airplane structures, how to properly analyze data for comparison of occurrences of mechanical / structural failures, and your claims which is either designed just to evoke emotional response or just plain ignorance."
Have you ever talked to a conspiracy theorist who was guilty of even one of those traits?y\
Posted by on September 15, 2007 04:56 PMlol post 04:56 not many
Posted by Uno on September 15, 2007 05:13 PMAren't ANY of you even a wee bit curious as to the answers to the questions Mike D poses? Do the questions frighten you so much that, rather than attempt to answer him in a logical, clearly thought-out response, you respond with personal attacks? I'd like to believe better of you. So, try answering with real ideas. I would like to believe you have it in you, since you are adamant that there is NO way Mr. Mike D can possibly be correct.
I am looking forward to your reasoned and proveable responses. Thank you!
Posted by Sheila on September 15, 2007 05:23 PM
A three second Google search turned up this fine article from Popular Mechanics answering most of Mike D's questions.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1
There is simply no way our government in general, or the Bush administration in particular, has the competence to pull off the massive cover-up required. They just are not that smart.
Should Bush have taken the warnings in his daily briefings more seriously?
Yes.
Should Ashcroft's Justice department been more concerned with terrorism than with covering up the breasts on a statue of Justice?
Yes.
Has Bush successfully used the 2001 tragedy for his political benefit?
Yes.
Is his administration competent enough to not only pull off the event itself but also cover it up.
No Way.
Posted by Colorado Dave on September 15, 2007 06:24 PMThis is an important topic and so let's examine what Raymond F Sell, of Boulder has written.
1. "Some people believe, and the number seems to be growing, that the towers were caused to fall by a planned conspiracy."
He is correct making this assumption. According to David Ray Griffins new book 'Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Offical Conspiracy Theory', a "conspiracy according my dictionary, is an agreement to perform together an illegal, treacherous, or evil act. To hold a conspiracy theory about some event is, therefore, simply to believe that this event resulted from, or involved, such an agreement. This, we can say, is the generic meaning of the term."
So it appears that Mr. Sell was almost fooled, like many others, by those who say that the governments story about 19 Arabs with magic boxcutters and airplanes is somehow NOT a conspiracy theory and that anyone who disagrees with this story is somehow a conspiracy theorist. That is absurd. The official story IS a conspiracy theory, especially when the BBC has already interviewed some of the supposed highjackers who are still alive and had a reporter standing in New York City, with WTC 7 visible behind her reporting that Building 7 had collapsed over 30 minurtes before it happened. It was standing behind her and she is telling the world that it has collapsed. She really blew her conspiracy script!
Mr Raymond agrees that our air defenses were penetrated and that is good and what the mainstream media, like the RMN, does not report is that from 9/11/00 to 9/11/01, when the attacks happened, the govermnment had scrambled Air Force Jets 67 times to respond to problems with airplanes, as they were supposed to and yet on 9/11/01 they did not do this in time to save any lives. THis was a clear stand down order.
Mr. Raymond says he wants his money back for "all those years we were taxed". I do to and anyone who examines the tax code will discover that there IS NO LAW that allows the Federal Goverenment to tax an Americans labor and wages. If that were not true, then Lousianna Attorney Tom Cryer, who was recently found not guilty of tax evasion, in Federal Court by a Federal Judge and jury, who aquitted him 12 to zero, he would have been convicted. His case can be viewed at
Mike D. has interesting unanswered questions as well, that our government will not discuss. Who is Marvin Bush? He is the younger brother of President George W. Bush, who along with Dubya's cousin, Wert Walker III were principals for Securacom, the company that was providing security for the World Trade Tower Complex as well as for Dulles Airport, where flight 77 was allowed to be highjacked from on 9/11/01. How did he allow the WTC Towers to be wired with explosives? Let's ask Marvin Bush.
According to Newton's physics laws regarding the Conservation of Momentum, it would be impossible for a 110- story steel framed highrise, a city block wide on each side, to collapse in 10 seconds without the use of explosives. Even N.I S T has ruled out the "pancake theory" So what happened?
N.I.S.T, the National Institute of Science and Technology has promised to explain how WTC 7, a 47 story tall highrise building, which was not struck by an airplane and had fires on only several floors and collapsed at free fall speed at 5:20 PM on 9/11/01. But after six years we are still waiting. The know it was brought doen by explosives and figure this problem will go away but it will not. Although those responsible for 9/11/01 will likely never be caught, an independent investigation is needed to reveal to the public that the official conspiracy theory cannot possible be true.
Posted by on September 15, 2007 06:29 PM
Hey Mike D.-
After Bigfoot and Elvis come over are you guys going to take a spin in the alien spaceship with the rest of your "progressive" clear thinking buddies?
And Old Grouch-
Would you like to tell us all again about how rational the Dems are,
or have they saved a seat for you too?
Posted by Get Real on September 15, 2007 06:45 PMLets wait and see how many of the regular lib posters here condemn the growing ,delusioned ,conspiratorial and paranoid freaks taking over their party.
Their silence is deafening and rather telling.
Posted by Get Real on September 15, 2007 06:58 PMSheila, here is the answers to Mike D questions:
1 Because never before in history an identical occurrence happened under the same circumstances.
2 Yes, but they where not designed to withstand the crushing impact of several thousand pounds of concrete. They where not the only object pulverized in the collapse.
3 Because the plain did not touch the ground. Yes, there was fire.
4 There where pieces of the plain, and the hole is big enough.
5 9/11 was and is the most investigated crime in history. So was the crime scene.
6 Youngest brother of G W Bush.
7 He was on the board of directors of Securacom (Stratesec) a company who provided electronic security surveillance to the towers. You’ll be sorry to hear that that contract expired in 1998. Also Marvin left the company in 2000, more than a year before 9/11.
8 Gravity
Also I stand by my other comments. Do your own research, use your own head and common sense.
Hey Get Real,
I am about as far left as they come and I think the conspiracy theorists are absurd.
Take your straw men with you as you take a hike.
Or....
If you want to paint with a very broad brush....
Since you are conservative and Republican can I assume you like to go trolling for anonymous gay sex in Congress Park?
Just like very few conservative Republicans are closeted gays, very few liberals are crazy conspiracy theorists.
Posted by Colorado Dave on September 15, 2007 08:44 PMYou've ALL been found out.It was Jessica Fletcher!
Posted by Jimminy on September 16, 2007 05:32 AMAs a reliably liberal poster, I side with the incompetence argument.
Rather than Popular Mechanics going to the trouble of refuting all the specific claims, absurd as they are, the conspiracy theorist need only be referred to news coverage over the past 7 years (Fox News would even suffice) for ample evidence that this current administration lacks the ability to manage itself for even the most routine act of government, much less a wide ranging conspiracy involving numerous agencies.
Posted by on September 16, 2007 07:29 AMOG, not only just the flying spaghetti monster. I have it on excellent authority that the Gay Communist Midget Tag Team Wrestler's cabal had a hand, albeit a small one, along with their Mideast counterparts, in the conspiracy. This is a new revelation just discovered but it fits in rather well with all the other contentions concerning secrete participants in the thing.
Posted by Allen Campbell on September 16, 2007 08:29 AMGet Real,
I thought I already expressed myself on the subject. Do I need to use one syllable words for you to understand?
I still haven't heard anyone speak of the part played by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And I do thank "Allen Campbell" for his contribution concerning the "Gay Communist Midget Tag Team Wrestler's cabal". Even a "small hand" in such a grand conspiracy must have been very helpful.
Get Real, perhaps you might try to examine your screen name, and actually read what people post. I'm not in the habit of labeling satire, or humor. I expect people to have some grasp of the areas themselves by the time they post here.
Your insistence on deriding liberals and Democrats all the time seems to indicate that YOU have a problem, the problem of over-generalizations at the expense of intelligent distinction and discrimination of thoughts.
But, that's all right. You're not alone there anyway; and you can take comfort in the numbers of others who also lack elementary logic.
Posted by Old Grouch on September 16, 2007 10:38 AMColorado Dave-
Congratulations on not being taken in with this nonsense.
But unfortunately,
Zogby Polls show that 42% of Dems BELIEVE Bush was behind 911 or let it happen.
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/?p=9747
Does that sound like a small amount to you?
Posted by Get Real on September 16, 2007 11:06 AMmike d. Why are you such an idiot?Why don't you research instead of writing liberal lies?
Posted by Keith on September 16, 2007 11:22 AMAbout 40% of Americans believe that aliens from outer-space routinely visit the earth, the Kennedy assassination was an inside job, the moon landing was was filmed in a Hollywood studio, that Elvis can be spotted in downtown Memphis and that sasquatch is a real person. About the same % believe in global warming and that carbon credits are a way to save the drowning polar bears.
That only proves that we have a large population of nutjobs walking around, and that Nurse Ratchet has too many empty straight jackets.
Posted by Hank on September 16, 2007 11:48 AMWell, conspiracy theorists, here is a good site written by a PhD. It’s good because it brings a different theory to the table.
I have a thing for people with PhD. They think they smarter than anybody else on earth (not all of them, but too many!), but sometimes you get that feeling that they can’t even grasp the most basic things.
Examples of this; she calculates the buildings as solid objects for volume, since when is a building a solid object? She repeatedly asks what happened to car door handles on cars with fire damage, well because those handles made out of plastic, including the surrounding frame, they will disintegrate at a lower temperature, while sheetmetal stays, Doctor. An event like the tower collapse will produce strange and unexpected results, similar to a tornado, with mind boggling results. But, it does not automatically means that some secret weapons where used, and not surprisingly, once again it does not answer the who and why part. At least she does not speculate that Bush ordered the attack, but as a whole it may imply that.
Hank
The gay communist midget tag team wrestlers Are the aliens you speak of and they did have a role in Kennedy's assassination and, they own the studio where the moon landing Was filmed with elvis as a silent partner. The sasquatch are also an alien race but, they have been here longer than the GCMTTW"S have so they know how to hide from political scrutiny.
Nurse Ratchet however is a product of human interbreeding between sasquatch and playboy bunnies. Human genes are always dominate in such breeding except for the one governing sense and reason. And , well you know Keith, in every species there are always a few nutjobs walking around.
Posted by Allen Campbell on September 16, 2007 12:21 PMHank, the moon landing is a good example.
One would assume that the Russians monitored radio communications from the moon, and very likely in flight. We also know how easy it is to pinpoint the origin of such communications with simple triangulation. Therefore one would reasonably expect that if the Russians find out that those radio communications didn’t originate from the moon, they would of raised a big deal out of it, embarrassing the rotten capitalists.
Uno: P200030 Photograph of airplane parts in the Pentagon after Flight 77 crashed into the building
The plane that "hit" the pentagon used either Pratt & Whitney, or Rolls Royce engines. Both companies have denied that rotor impeller came from their engines. It's too small -- more in line with one found on a missile or rocket.
Posted by on September 16, 2007 07:38 PMHey, Uno
The Plain, the Plain, the Plain Boss the plain!!
Welcome to fantasy Island:
Starring
Old Grouch,
Uno,
And by special request,
Hank Job
Keith, as Me,
Right, and this is a piece off of a roller coaster…
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg
And missiles usually have landing gears…or may be one of the office furniture was fashioned after one…
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
Posted by Uno on September 16, 2007 08:46 PMOld Grouch-
And you NEVER deride Conservative posters.
Please ,spare me.
The Plain, The Plain, Boss, It's a Roller Coaster Boss, No it's a Plain Uno.
Posted by Geht Real Keeeth on September 16, 2007 11:03 PMGet Real,
Of course, I deride them, especially when they come up with "conspiracy theories" - or a long winded and pointless "defense" in that area, for that matter. Indeed, that was the point of my first posting - directed towards whichever "side" anyone is on here.
That should have been obvious. Which is the reason I responded as I did, when you asked me about the point. As I said, I am not in the habit of labeling satire. Nor do I really feel it needs some particular "direction", or equivalent of "mailing address", when presented.
What part do YOU think the Flying Spaghetti Monster played in 9/11? Or the "Midgets"?
Posted by Old Grouch on September 17, 2007 09:31 AMI am looking forward to your reasoned and proveable (sic) responses. Thank you!
Posted by Sheila on September 15, 2007 05:23 PM
Spoken by Ms Haughty Taughty, smugness in an intellectual vacuum, herself.
Posted by on September 17, 2007 11:13 AMJust tell me one thing.
Will the Spagetti Monster be here in time for lunch?
Posted by KW on September 17, 2007 12:17 PMOg:
It's really kind of easy. The midgets were riding on the back of the spaghetti monster when they flew real low, to avoid detection, and dropped an out of date, somewhat faulty, cruise missle on the pentagon. That is the reason there was no airplane wreckage and no human bodies, as reported by zero talented idiots.
Posted by Allen Campbell on September 17, 2007 12:38 PMThe only real conspiracy here is that they've got you thinking "Conspiracy" is a "Theory". Once you understand that much you'll start seeing more of the truth behind the official lies from Washington, the Military Industrial Complex and the IMF. It's a Psyche job, and they are well aware your egos won't let you comprehend that you are being severely lied to.
The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
Just ask Hitler.
Posted by Starman on September 18, 2007 07:07 AMda only conspiracy i know is in my pants...oops i did it again, i soiled meself..its so embarassing to do this all the time. wood sumbody change my diaper..puhlease???
Posted by Keith on September 18, 2007 11:53 AMI tink anybody dat dont tink like me is stoopid!
An quiet making fun of me!!!!!!!
Hank,You nailed it.They need to save a jacket for mike b.
Posted by Keith on September 19, 2007 12:04 PM