Couple’s blind loyalty to Bush is amazing
If Mike and Deana Mobley, the subject of “Bush’s speech finds loyal listeners” (Sept. 14), had bothered to really listen to the president’s Sept. 13 nationally televised speech, they would have concluded Bush has no credibility left whatsoever.
Bush can’t tell the truth, and he does not respect the toll war takes on anyone — this is evidenced in his willingness to lie, spin and avoid facts and reality.
It appears for this couple that their blinkers are permanent additions — or are they just blind by choice? What do their sons’ sacrifices mean if the man who sent them in does not care that the war he started is based on lies, and that he has conducted the war incompetently in political terms?
The Mobleys’ sons have no choice but to follow orders, but the parents are not helping them for one second by bleating their support for an atrocious president. I just have to say, “Wow!”
Geof Erdahl, Evergreen
So much for your own creditablility Geof. People believe what they want to believe in this country. You are allowed this. If it bothers you so much then move to Venzeuala. I an sure good old Hugo would love to have some more progressive thinkers who toe the line in his dictatorship.
The issue is not Bush's creditability but whether or not you believe that radical islamist want to kill us or not. There are plenty who think it is alie, many of which will and would loose their heads over thier lack of "faith".
The war was not and is not based on lies. The lie is that there were lies leading to the war. If more people on the enlightened thinking side understood more about what they preach then they would see tis. However thier own bias and hatred of the military, and America being the last world power blinds them to the truth.
But then again Geof you like to push your beliefs and thinking on others in the ol do as I say not as I do crowd.
Posted by Geof's nieghbor on September 19, 2007 04:10 AMgeof very nice showing of your blind loyalty to the socialist liberal left dems and the dnc.
Posted by on September 19, 2007 06:15 AMGeof, you must show TOTAL loyality to the Fuher!!!! Anything less than blind allegience will not be accepted! Anythign less than blind allegience will be considered treason and you will not be considered a worthy German, er I mean American, and you can no longer live here! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Praise to the Fatherand! Praise to our new god, George W Bush!!!!!
Posted by Keith on September 19, 2007 06:57 AMI sez we line up anybody who aint like us, who dont think like us and jus shoot em down like dogs in the street,.If you aint wid us you aint American!
Posted by Keith on September 19, 2007 07:21 AMAhh yes, the usual suspects are out with their usual juvenile responses to criticism of Dear Leader:
a) Why don't you leave and go to _____________ if you don't like it here?
b) You're a Bush-hater.
c) You're a socialist.
d) You hate America
e) Radical Islamists want to kill us, therefore Bush must not be questioned.
f) And the specialty of propagandized people like Geof's nieghbor who said:
"The issue is not Bush's creditability but whether or not you believe that radical islamist want to kill us or not."
...mixing up the 9-11 attack by Saudis trained in Afghanistan with our invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Typically impotent responses from typically ignorant Authoritarian Bush Cultists.
Posted by Charles B on September 19, 2007 07:23 AMI saw a big pitcher of Kool-Aid in the picture of the Mobley's house.
Posted by Hmmmmm on September 19, 2007 07:25 AMGeof; I think your point was that if anyone which had listened closely to Bush's Speech know he has no credibity left. Then your evidence is asserting that the Mobly's are so stupid that, it would be a waste of time to try to explain or show evidence.
Name calling is not a reasoned argument.
GG
I was waiting to hear what the "lie" was in Mr. Bush's Sept. 13th speech. Charles B., do you know which lie Mr. Erdahl was referring to?
Posted by John II on September 19, 2007 07:49 AMJohn II,
I don't feel like I have to answer for what other people wrote.
However, when Bush says the surge is working- that's a lie. The surge is whack-a-mole.
Posted by Charles B on September 19, 2007 08:22 AMMaybe Bush's lie was abouty the 36 countries that were fighting alongside us?
Posted by PantsonFire on September 19, 2007 08:31 AMThere's a small pack of bleating sheep who still follow the decider around, hanging on to his every mangled syllable and trying to lick his boots whenever possible.
Typically KW, Keith, Un-American, the Mobleys & their like - and when they're not fawning over the Airhead-in-Chief they're furiously scribbling down their marching orders from O'relly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove & the other chickenhawk cheerleaders
Posted by drew on September 19, 2007 08:35 AMCorrection...all the others are sheep but KW is still a fluffy, dutiful little parrot.
Posted by drew on September 19, 2007 08:37 AMSo, Charles B., you don't believe General Patraeus' report on the surge?
Posted by John II on September 19, 2007 08:38 AMWhat is so amazing at thier support of bush? they are blind to the truth and that is CRUCIAL for faith.
Posted by Just Me on September 19, 2007 09:03 AMI just love it when the drews, Charlse B's etc... like to make believe they know more about what's going on in Iraq than Petraeus or Bush. I'm sure in their own minds they are intelligent people but if they keep posting this nonsense their charade will be exposed.
Too bad the letter writer didn't make the bogus claim that Bush lied earlier in his letter too. It woulve saved me the time of reading this trash from another loyal member of the moveon cult.
Posted by KW on September 19, 2007 09:04 AMThat's right, KW - we're about to be exposed!
Oh no - the surge is working - democracy is coming to the middle east! Sunnis & Shias are kissing each other & dancing in the streeets!
Hail to Bush, all-knowing leader, prince, philosopher - mankind is saved!
Wait ,,sorry,, I was wrong - that was just a Fox News broadcast.
Posted by drew on September 19, 2007 09:21 AMAdd geof to the village idiots.Bush is telling the truth you idiot.It's the dems. that are lying you idiot.
Posted by Keith on September 19, 2007 09:28 AMFolks: Go to dictionary.com before you use a word that may come back and bite you revealed by your ignorance of the word:
Hypocrite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, that he or she does not actually possess.
Moron: A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
As for Geof: It amazes me, also, that people still exist that lap at Bush's sweat glands. ask.com and click in Bushisms. Bush needs to be credited with the election of America's first female president. Only he could have castrated the GOP. He lost the House, the Senate, and will lose the Presidency. Lick away, folks.
Deicide Corner: “I wondered a little why God was such a useless thing. It seemed a waste of time to have him. After that he became less and less until he was nothingness”. Frances Farmer
Same old liberal crap. If you believe what Bush says you are sheep. My oh my, the pot calling the kettle black. Libs just can't think on their own, thats why they have a hard time believing anyone with common sense can do it. DEMS/LIBS lie, people die.
Posted by TIRED OF ENTITLEMENTS on September 19, 2007 10:15 AMThere is no doubt that radical Islamists want to kill Americans. The question is -- what is the solution to the problem? Genocide?
How do we tell the "radicals" from the "regular" Muslims?
Radical Christians have killed just as many people as the Islamic terrorists have. Just look at David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh for examples.
The United States government should abolish all forms of religion (in this country and all other countries) and immediately launch a global hunt for anyone who is considered "extreme."
The only real way to solve the problem of terrorism is to eliminate freedom of religion, individuality and dissent.
Posted by Republican Warmonger on September 19, 2007 10:17 AMThat's right, TIRED OF ENTITLEMENTS, black is white and up is down, Bush is a leader & Keith is a genius, now put in your pacifier and go back to sleep.
Posted by drew on September 19, 2007 10:49 AMRepublican Whoremonger, (sarcasm) please read the book
The 3rd Terrorist, by Jayna Davis.
Maybe that will open your eyes about Tim Mcveigh.
Drew, or is it Drewl? Your slobbering again. Remember to be good like Monica and swallow. Now, back to your cell, here come the guards.
Posted by TIRED OF ENTITLEMENTS on September 19, 2007 11:04 AMit is so nice to see the wacko liberals are all up set. we all know they have no blind loyalty to anything or one. all are very free thinkers on their own.
I am surprised that none of you are in place to be the next leader and tell hillary and osama to move over.
please one of you step up and be the next leader of the dumocrat party and show your worldly knowledge.
Posted by on September 19, 2007 11:07 AMTIRED OF ENTITLEMENTS
What a comeback - your wit nearly outdoes your razor sharp intellect. No wonder you're posting right above Keith whose anonymity can't hide his drivel.
And when I said to put your pacifier back, I meant in your mouth, vaseline-ass.
By the way, "you're" has an apostrophe in it (as in "you're a dumbass" not "your a dumbass").
Posted by Tired of Mororns on September 19, 2007 11:22 AMHistory will decide this argument too, just like it decided whether or not there were WMD's in Iraq (no), whether or not the war would be over in a "matter of weeks" (no), whether the insurgency was in its "last throes" (no), whether the surge would reduce violence in Iraq (no), and whether people would continue voting republican once it became apparent that everything they said would happen failed to happen (no).
There are an inordinate amount of people who still like Bush (27% of the population) in this forum, but it's pretty obvious that everything they've said would happen hasn't happened, and every idea they've had so far has been horribly, horribly misguided.
If you all want to follow Mr. O-fer off of his cliff, be my guest. The republican party is in shambles, and as more and more of the old folks die off, it will be harder and harder for it to claw its way back to anything resembling what it once was.
Posted by Grog on September 19, 2007 11:28 AM"Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." --George Orwell
Posted by on September 19, 2007 11:35 AMJohn II asked:
"So, Charles B., you don't believe General Patraeus' report on the surge?"
No John II, I don't. They've been cooking the violence books Enron style by re-categorizing certain types of violence as non-sectarian.
Violence goes down where we have troops, and goes up in other places. It's a game of whack-a-mole.
Several independent agencies tabulating violence in Iraq have reported that the surge is having little or no effect on the level of violence or the amount of refugees leaving the country.
I don't trust Bush or anyone he's ever appointed to do the right thing rather than the political thing.
Thankfully, a solid majority of Americans weren't fooled by the dog-and-pony show either, and have not changed their view that we should begin pulling out of Iraq immediately.
Posted by Charles B on September 19, 2007 11:48 AMKW said:
"I just love it when the drews, Charlse B's etc... like to make believe they know more about what's going on in Iraq than Petraeus or Bush."
It's not that we think we have more information than Bush and Petraeus, we just know, based on their history, how full of sh*t they are.
They simply can't be trusted to provide honest analysis.
Posted by Charles B on September 19, 2007 11:52 AMEither Drew has changed his name or has a secret admirer. If it is the second, I suggest Drew should scoot over Moron is wanting his turn!
Posted by on September 19, 2007 12:27 PMy's evrrybody always making fun of how stoopid i is? allzheimers is a serius disease and sadly i has it. If that aint enuff, i think i forgot to go to the bathroom, cud KW or somebody change my stinky diaper?
Posted by Keith on September 19, 2007 01:51 PMLetter writer Geof Erdahl must be a liberal because he uses a lot of words and says nothing.He needs to look at the Democrat party.When it comes to lying they wrote the book.Start by looking at the lies they and their media puppets told the people about the Second Amendment.Here is a quote from NRA Executive VP Wayne LaPierre"Talk radio is a way around the big media filter.Its s way to get the truth to the American public that bypasses the censorship of the 'mainstream' media".As we know the mainstream media is controled by the Democrats.
Posted by An American on September 19, 2007 02:21 PMAn American must be a Rightwinger, all he cares about is the 2nd amendment. Nothing else matters to him. He doesnt care about America or soldiers dying, he doesnt care about the entire Bill of Rights, just one amendment. stick him in a corner and he'll be happy, if we are lucky he might even shoot himself.
I wish the Democratic party WOULD forget the 2nd Amendmant and forget about the entire gun registration issue, give it up..and they would win in a landslide in ' 08.
Hats off to Mike and Deana Mobley and their twin sons serving in Iraq! It is a poignant illustration of true patriotism and valor. Like most Americans who sacrificed for our freedom in wartime, Matt and Ryan Mobley deserve our highest praise. Preserving our freedom is not an option, especially in time of war!
Posted by Brian Stuckey on September 19, 2007 03:21 PMBrian "Steno" Stuckey's Freudian slip:
"Preserving our freedom is not an option, especially in time of war!"Posted by Charles B on September 19, 2007 04:11 PM
If Charlie Boy had any brains he'd be a Republican; now he's just a arrogant liberal.
Posted by on September 19, 2007 07:16 PM“Steno” said ” Hats off to Mike and Deana Mobley and their twin sons serving in Iraq! It is a poignant illustration of true patriotism and valor”
Yup, such acts are always poignant and moving, particularly when done to serve a greater good.
Sadly, in Steno’s book, individualism and personal financial gain are primary, and the Mobley’s actions make no sense to him.
He likes to pat people on the head for it, but as a member of the “values and lifestyles” voting bloc, he cannot see the motivation for anything unless it’s for personal gain.
Makes patriotism a bit of a mystery for Brian, but he thanks you nevertheless.
Charles B. What is "Steno" Stucky.? I thought it was "Sterno" Stucky from his use of that ubiquitous fuel for a beverage.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 19, 2007 10:16 PMIn General Paetreus' report he stated that the surge had produced some results, not most. In other words, the surge didn't meet most of its goals militarily or politically. The surge failed.
Posted by Stan Broyles on September 20, 2007 09:56 AMAmerican Pie as most liberal Democrats can't understand issues.He did not understand that the point I made on my posting was not about guns.It was about the media being more than willing to lie to promote the liberal Democrat agenda.To the point the media would LIE to the people about one of our most valued rights ,the Second Amendment!! American Pie is a GREAT example of the kind of people that are in the democrat party.They "feel" how thing should be then build facts [lies] to support their case.This is why when it comes to issues do not trust the Democrats or their media puppets.
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Stan Broyles,I and my wife remember Paetreus saying that the surge met most of the goals.Either I and my wife remembered wrong or Stan is just lying.This is what Democrats do to make their fact fit how they "feel" things should be.
Posted by An American on September 20, 2007 11:00 AMSlam Dunk;
as in It will be a slam dunk connecting Saddam to 911.
Does this count as a lie?
Dick Cheney's intelligence office;
made to sex up Iraq intelligence that showed no WMD. Curveball was offered as the prime evidence that Saddam must be stopped, but he was a known crook and liar. Did this stop the Cheney intelligence manipulation agenda?
Posted by Holy Reality on September 20, 2007 11:21 AMAn American and his wife (would that be Keith?) are great examples of Republican ignorance and one track mines. I have yet to read a post by him that does not mention the 2nd amendment. It is an obsession with him, it is the only thing he cares about in life. Nothing else ( except attacking those with diffrent opinions). I dont understand why such a gun lover can also be such a coward when it comes to war. He doesnt realize he could enlist in the military and use his guns daily ( big ones too!). Yet he cowers here in his basement, playing with his guns instead of enlisting like a real man. I served 8 years in the Navy, where did YOU serve? Be a man and enlist, fight the War you believe in.
Posted by PukingOn Keith on September 20, 2007 11:26 AMAn American needs to watch or read the Paetreus' testimony which should be available from C-Span or the Congressional Record. Maybe you heard what you wanted to hear.
Posted by Stan Broyles on September 20, 2007 05:08 PMStan Broyles being a Democrat is more than willing to lie.Thats all I can say about that.It would not be the first time the Democrats have lied to fit their agenda.As to PunkingOn Keith,being a stupid Democrat he does not understand issues.It is not about the gun issue.It is about the Democrats and their media puppets being more than willing to lie about the gun issue to fit how they "feel".Would you trust a party or media that would lie to you about the Second Amendment.Here is what the NRA Executive Vice President Wayne La Pierre has to say about the media"Talk radio is a way around the big media filter.It's a way to get the truth to the American public that bypasses the censorship of the mainstream media".Are you going to trust the media on the war reporting?I think the Democrats will because it fits their lies.
And once again, An American keeps his 2nd Amendmanet streak in tact, quoting the NRA VP,lol, whats the matter, wasnt Charlton Heston available? Try caring about this ENTIRE country, ALL of the freedoms we have, ALL of the Rights we have and caring about the SOLDIERS DYING in Iraq as much as you do your f**king guns, you flaming idiot. Why not go play Russian Roulette with Keith for a while.
Posted by PukingOn Keith on September 21, 2007 10:47 AMSorry, An American, I'm about as indepenent as they get, even though I am a registered Republican. There is a difference between being independent and being ignorant.
Posted by Stan Broyles on September 21, 2007 01:12 PMNO politician tells the truth!! NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL!!
Posted by A on September 22, 2007 01:30 PMBush said "as a last resort"...he lied.
Bush said WMD...he lied
Bush said al Quaida...he lied
So to reinforce the previous points, Bush didn't say it was JUST about getting Saddam, so he lied.
Nothing you can say or do will ever change that.
Posted by G. Erdahl on February 17, 2008 10:21 PM