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Get out of Iraq now
Dennis Reuss wrote that “Democrats and most of the American people are tired of fighting a just war.” He says we should be “staying in Iraq until everything was finished.” I wonder what is just about our invasion of Iraq which has resulted in our killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, destroying their infrastructure, creating millions of refugees, and our creating the circumstances for an all out civil war between various Islamic tribes and factions in Iraq? Further, I wonder what finishing up will look like? We’ve already bombed that country so much that their economy is a shambles, unemployment is running at 60% or more, and most educated Iraqis have left the country. There is no “winning” or good strategy now for US troops leaving Iraq. The horrible mistake was going there in the first place. Total American casualties are now over 60,000 people.
This war currently costs us 2 billion dollars a week. We are bankrupting our country and burdening our children with crushing deficits.
Our President lied us into this war. Honest Americans insist that we get out—now!
This letter has not been edited.
According to georgie I'm not honest. Back up your so called facts about 100's of thousands of Iraqis dead and 60,000 American casualties. A piece of rice in the rear like John Kerry had does not count as a casualty. Funny how all of Congress had access to the same info the President did, yet they are not accused of lying. Grow up georgie, grow a pair.
Posted by TIRED OF LYING LIBERALS on September 28, 2007 02:07 PMSince we have no strategy to win this war, let's agree to quibble about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin -- it will pass the time until January 2009, when America -might- actually articulate to ourselves and the world how we plan to win this thing.
Posted by on September 28, 2007 02:10 PMeliminate all the family farms
eliminate all the heavy industry
eliminate all the liberties
use up all the armed forces
control all mass media
tell the people what is and isn't
allow millions of illegal invaders
divide the people into many opposing factions
create a national crisis
institute martial law
bring in the UN peacekeepers
haul away hundreds of thousands to FEMA camps
claim it is all for your own good
usher in the new world order
"A piece of rice in the rear like John Kerry had does not count as a casualty..."
Well, if you're so unconcerned about casualties, then why don't you get out of your La-Z-Boy and sign up for Iraq, Braveheart! Typical Con - your contribution to the "war effort" is probably a Bush bumper sticker on the Hummer
"Funny how all of Congress had access to the same info the President did.." What, like Saddam getting Yellow Cake Uranium from Niger? I don't think the average Democrat in congress was privy to the lies that Bush & his cohorts spread to get support for his war of choice.
Posted by Tired of Moronic Wingnuts on September 28, 2007 02:23 PMSure it was dickweed. Try reading something besides the New York Times. I served my time in the 70's, oh limp wristed one.
Posted by TIRED OF LYING LIBERALS on September 28, 2007 02:26 PMSure it was dickweed.
Golly. That's all the evidence I need. Very persuasive. Thanks.
Posted by on September 28, 2007 02:37 PMSure what was, numbnuts? You served your time where? Sing Sing? From the sense you're making it sounds like you're SMOKING dickweed.
Posted by Tired of Moronic Wingnuts on September 28, 2007 02:43 PMRebuttal response only:
60,000 casualties? American casualties? Where is this information coming from? Does Mr. Hutchinson understand the meaning of the word casualty? According to Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, the total number of American Casualties is 3801 (http://icasualties.org/oif/). That is a FAR cry from 60,000.
$2B per week? So far the total cost of the Iraq war is $455.5B, after 5 years. Again, the math is off...
The President has no authority to go to, or declare war. It was in fact CONGRESS that authorized the use of the US military in Iraq, and CONGRESS had EXACTLY the same information as the President. If one does not perform due diligence, it is not the fault of anyone else, but that person that shirked the responsibility in the first place.
I will end this post with a question: The fall of the Soviet Union created an imbalance in Eastern Europe, especially in Yugoslavia. Serbian President Milosevic began the slaughter of millions of ethnic Albanians, and NATO and the United States intervened to end this "civil war." My two part question is, would Mr. Hutchinson felt that intervention was just, and does Mr. Hutchinson understand the importance of stability on a global scale, or is Mr. Hutchinson against all conflict regardless of the circumstance?
Posted by Dan2 on September 28, 2007 02:56 PMGeorge Hutchinson is a Democrat helping the terrorist win the war.In fact his letter sounds like Osama Bin Laden's speech.Democrats are now getting their talking points from the terrorists.
Posted by An American on September 28, 2007 03:10 PMwhy do the wingnuts always rip on Kerry and his medals? I mean, Chimpy McFlighsuit was busy snorting coke and going AWOL during Vietnam. Do you really want to compare the two?
Posted by just sayin' on September 28, 2007 03:21 PMDan2,
sticking up for Mr Bush again - well, well!
The civil war analogy is fairly weak. The Yugoslavian civil war was precipitated by the breakup of the USSR & intervention was just.
The Iraqi civil war was precipitated by an ignorant, reckless US president who has no sense of history & no understanding of world affairs. We can't intervene - we OWN this war
Posted by drew on September 28, 2007 03:29 PMDan2, perhaps you are the one who should be looking up "casualty" in the dictionary. My American Heritage says "one injured, killed, captured or missing in action against an enemy."
Posted by Romulus on September 28, 2007 03:30 PMHey Just sayn'! Boy-jorge is a UCMJ-felon, 40+ years AWOL, deserter, and guilty of illegal separation and discharge. If he was black, he would already be married in the federal pen at Ft. Leavenworth, KS. Alito is a US Army ROTC UCMJ-felon (AWOL, deserter, and guilty of illegal separation and discharge. Hey! Maybe boy-jorge and Alito could meet a prison altar.
Posted by draftdodgingisntafamilyvalue on September 28, 2007 03:37 PMIf we leave Iraq, and I assume Afghanistan, what then? How do we protect America from another terrorist attack? Fifteen Syrian soldiers were recently killed trying to load a chemical warhead on a SCUD. Wonder where they got chemical weapons--Iraq? Israeli commandos captured nuclear material in a daring raid into Syria. Oh, and by the way, Iraqis did visit Niger...the country has two exports: onions and yellow cake. The reports were true.
Posted by Buff Driver on September 28, 2007 04:11 PM$2B per week? So far the total cost of the Iraq war is $455.5B, after 5 years. Again, the math is off...
Not by much.
Do the math: approx. 242 weeks of the war costing a total of $455.5B and you get $1.88 billion per week, on average.
$2B as shorthand is not precise, but well within the range of reasonable rounding.
And for those who insist on quibbling over the difference, $1.88B per week is still a ridiculous figure to spend on an open-ended conflict with no coherent strategy for victory in a land that had nothing to do with 9/11, especially compared to the various alternatives to more productively spending our tax dollars on fighting terrorism (securing our borders, ensuring harbor safety, catching/killing Bin Laden etc)
Posted by on September 28, 2007 04:51 PMRP McMurphy wildly hypothesized, ending with:
"usher in the new world order".
Nice guess, but that isn't my plan at all. My scheme for world domination is much more subtle than that.
Posted by Arioch on September 28, 2007 05:25 PMActaully anon 4:51, $.12 billion x 242 weeks is $29.04 billion. Hardly a trifling sum to be ignored.
But this is too funny to ignore. As recently reported by Reuters Noor Mohammad Sherzai...
BATI KOT, Afghanistan (Reuters) - At least one U.S. soldier opened fire to scatter a crowd of civilians and police on Thursday after failed suicide bomb attacks on a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military and witnesses said. . . ."I saw the fire brigade vehicle rushing to the area at top speed. Somehow its brakes failed and hit one police vehicle and coalition vehicles, then the Americans started firing," said Reuters correspondent Noor Mohammad Sherzai.
That's right folks, this daring man quoted himself in the wire.
I'm just wondering how he was able to get the exclusive interview. I mean, if he called himself, wouldn't the line always be busy?
And if it ever came down to it, is he willing to go to jail to protect his source? And if he goes to jail and his source is hisself, is he really protecting his source or in reality actually turning him in?
The possibilities are endless.
Posted by KW on September 28, 2007 05:25 PMIf there are 60,000 casualties minus the dead, that leaves many thousands who will need health care for over a generation.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 28, 2007 05:26 PMCongress had the same info as the president?
How is this possible? Isn't the president privy to info? The president showed Congress what the president wanted Congress to see.
You're a bunch of morons. Go feed rush his pills.
Posted by rick on September 28, 2007 06:32 PMWar is hell!!!, If you don't believe it, go find one of the many that are going on in the world and join in. dosen't matter which side your on it's hell either way. Bush is clueless about such things. If he had the experience, I doubt he would have not acted so arrogant about 9/11 because he would have known that the first rule of war is never underestimate the enemy, in fact believe everything you hear is possible and act accordingly. Someone dropped the ball else 9/11 would not have happened. Somebody explain to me how two jet liners could get off any legitimate flight path long enough to crash into the towers without someone being asleep at the wheel.
Posted by Allen Campbell on September 28, 2007 06:56 PMAllen, it was 4……..well, missiles fired off of flight 800 by princess Diana because she got tired of the US laying landmines in Area 51.
Posted by Uno on September 28, 2007 07:44 PMAn the rants and insult fly like an avalanche, especially An American...I hate to say it dude, but Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the rest of the FoxNews screamers have their claws dug into you With his refusal to end this war our esteemed president has given terrorists all around the world a ready-made recruiting ground. We're fighting more of them worldwide, outside of Iraq nowi since the invasion. It's the administration and not the Democrats who are aiding the terrorists by helping them recruit If you look an just about every poll out there, anywhere between 50-70% of Americans want our soldiers out of Iraq by anywhere from immediately up to the end of next year. I think that puts you and the rest of those who support this ridiculous war in the minority and, if we use An American's moronic rationale, I guess it makes tha majority a bunch of spineless Democrat terrorist-supporters.
Posted by Keith and Hank sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G on September 28, 2007 08:20 PMIts all they have. No substance, just three arguments, all refutable (I know, I know, facts have a liberal bias).
1-We are killing Iraqis in Iraq so they don't come to America and kill us here
2-If you don't support keeping American troops in harm's way indefinitely and under a changing set of strategies and objectives, in the midst of a civil war, then you hate the military
3-Anyone who disagrees with President Bush and who actually believes in the notion of dissent being a cornerstone of democracy, in the right and responsibility to participate in civil debate and the governace of the nation, is a traitor
Sharon said "If there are 60,000 casualties minus the dead, that leaves many thousands who will need health care for over a generation."
That doesn't include the ones with psychiatric problems, and it under-counts the ones who have traumatic brain injuries that didn't have overt external wounds.
Threads like this make me sick to my stomache.
Posted by Charles B. on September 28, 2007 09:06 PMOff topic...
I just noticed Rocky Mountains News top national news items:
# Girl seen on sex tape found safe
# Shots fired at school; gunman caught
# Woman found after 8 days stuck in car
# Neighbor charged in hanging of girl, 6
# Body ID'd as missing Chicago woman's
Depressing stuff. Is there any good news in this nation? There has got to be...
Posted by John II on September 28, 2007 11:36 PMBangalore Skunk:
"...doesn't include the ones with psychiatric problems, and it under-counts the ones who have traumatic brain injuries that didn't have overt external wounds..."
And, this addition does not address the long term health problems -- both for Iraqis and our soldiers returning home -- caused by us using depleted uranium shells in the war.
Posted by on September 29, 2007 07:40 AMRead the Democrat postings you will see they are giving aid and comfort to the terrorists.It is proof that they want our enemy to win.They hate the US and our soldiers.
Same question once more- An American what?
Read the republic postings and you will see that they are doing their very best to recruit more people to the cause of the extremists.Not only has the invasion/occupation in the mess-o-potamia provided the extremist elements with the very best of recruiting propaganda, but also a live fire training facility in American doctrine, weapons and tactics.The bush baby was evidently trying to make the other day some half- arsed analogy to business return on investment. I'd say our return on investment has been pretty poor in this fiasco.
"Grow up georgie, grow a pair."
"George Hutchinson is a Democrat helping the terrorist win the war.In fact his letter sounds like Osama Bin Laden's speech.Democrats are now getting their talking points from the terrorists."
This is really pathetic. Why doesn't the News set some standards for comments?
Such as you can say anything as long as you properly address the person, no personel attacks, and you deal with actual arguments, not strawmen.
So many of you ought to get a book on critical thinking and logic. Start by looking up ad hominem!
Pathetic!
Posted by Civil on September 29, 2007 01:37 PMAfter the Gulf War, the United Nations imposed strict economic sanctions on Iraq that critics charge have led to the deaths of more than a million people -- the majority of them children. Saddam Hussein claims the deaths are in excess of one and a half million.
The economic sanctions were fully lifted in 24 May 2003, shortly after Saddam Hussein was overthrown. This resulted in economic growth of 53% topping the list of the world's fastest growing economy.
ACCORDING TO A STUDY BY GLOBAL INSIGHT IN LONDON:
Sales of secondhand cars, televisions and mobile phones have all risen sharply. Estimates vary, but one from Global Insight puts GDP growth at 17 percent last year and projects 13 percent for 2006 The World Bank has it lower: at 4 percent this year.
Estimates of Iraq's unemployment rate varies; the Brookings institute estimates between 25-40%; the Iraqi ministry of planning has it at 30%; another estimate from 2005 has it at 25%; Al Jazeera reported in 2004 that it was as high as 70% (i doubt any bias there!)
according to anti-war . com american casualties are 3802 apparently they may not know the definition of casualty either since they have 27936 wounded; of course Anti-war . com has a bias.
Mr. Hutchinson apparently needs to exaggerate his "facts" to make his point; we do need most of our military out of Iraq but leaving right now would be devestating to possibly millions getting slaughtered; is there a Democratic Pres. canidate that is campaigning to leave if they are elected? I believe Hillary has not campaigned that we would get out right-away if elected but i could be wrong??
Saddam, and not the sanctions, was to blame for those deaths.
The world could have ended the sanctions, the money would still have ended up in the pockets of the Hussein family and their supporters.
Brain, when you have almost nothing, anything is an improvement.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 29, 2007 03:49 PMCalling all war supporters. Please. Please. Tell me what YOU are doing to support this war. Are you paying for it? (You can send checks to Uncle Sam marked with a special note that your contribution is for the war.) Are you contributing to the cause of the thousands of Iraqi refugees fleeing their country? Will you be supporting the Iraqi refugees who are coming to Denver soon? Are you in favor of increasing the federal budget to pay for more veterans benefits? Are you supporting the wounded troops in any way who will suffer for years to come physically and mentally? Are you lobbying your Congressional Representatives and President Bush to institute the draft so we have more troops and current enlistees do not have to be redeployed over and over? Were you a supporter of the recent bill written by Senator Webb? Please. Please. Tell me what you are doing to support the war. You. Personally. Tell me.
Posted by JJ on September 29, 2007 11:06 PMAs you can see liberal "civil" wants to close down freedom of speech!! He wants the RMN to set some "standards" for what we can write.Here are the "standards" this Democrat would want.If it makes the Democrats look bad ,ban it! If it tells the truth that we Democrats do not like ,ban it! I am gald "civil" wrote his posting because it shows the Democrats for what they are and that is anti-freedom unless it is a freedom that promotes their agenda.These people are a "real" danger to freedom as we know it in the US.Point proven!! I want to thank the RMN for not caving into these anti-freedom Democrats.Maybe the RMN can also see that these Democrats do not believe in "freedom of speech or freedom of the press".As a conservative Republican I can tell you I would ban none of the posters on this page.
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