- Health-care commission can’t ‘solve’ crisis
- Media’s rush ill-served hurt player, family
- Update SFO info
- Flaxseed report totally inappropriate
- Hypocritical critic
- Put TV listings on Web
- “No End in Sight” film
- Rep. Diana DeGette’s wilderness plan
- Boycott Mattel and anything from China
- Children’s health
Jessica Corder’s graduation speech
In an overly zealous approach to “free speech” people supporting Ms. Corder and her Jesus speech at graduation have missed several very important points.
This is not a matter of “free speech", it is a matter of living in a society where you respect the rights of others and live by the rules.
Ms. Corder deliberately disobeyed rules in her graduation speech, for which there should be some punishment. It has been reported that all speakers had to submit their speeches ahead of time for prior approval. She did submit a speech, got approval, then deliberately gave a very different one - a religious sermon with strong proselytizing. Had she really believed she had the right to say what she did, she should have submitted that speech and challenged any denial before hand. But she did not. Since the school year was already over, the school had no other means of applying a punishment for her disobeying rules, than to withhold her diploma and require an apology. In fact, I believe she should have been made to hold a press conference with a public apology to all who attended for kidnapping the audience . Following that, she could then hold another to give whatever sermons she wanted - that is “free speech.” Free speech merely means you can say what you want, it does not mean you can take unsuspecting people hostage and force them to listen. Everyone must accept responsibility and consequences when they disobey rules.
The people went there for a graduation ceremony, not a religious service, and she took them captive for her proselytizing. That is just wrong, and smacks of a spoiled brat who thinks she has the right to do what she wants, regardless, and that others should be forced to listen. In addition, if she understood what she was talking about, she would not have said “His name is ‘Jesus Christ’.", she would have said “He was Jesus THE Christ", since Christ means savior, it is not a last name. I wonder if people would be so quick to defend this girl if she had proselytized for Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Catharism, Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Johannism, Rastafrarianism, Sikhism, or even Wicca, Voodoo or Satanism. I doubt it. Maybe Ms. Corder will sit and listen while I explain any of these that she doesn’t understand.
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She spoke of her faith for 30 seconds. Get over it you crackpot.
Posted by on September 20, 2007 02:50 PMIf she had praised Buddah or Allah or any of the aforementioned, everyone would be cheering her on and saying good for her, and you know it!
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 03:08 PMSince the Jesus she referred to, like all the other man made manufactured heroes of past mythical history never actually existed, it does not matter what she said.
Posted by Al on September 20, 2007 03:09 PMBTW I'm rolling my eyes ahould Sheila or Sharon B elect to say something about my point.........
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 03:10 PMA frivolous lawsuit from the white version of Al Sharpton
Posted by on September 20, 2007 03:26 PMHeather: NO hypotheical scenarios to make sociocultural argument for you - One Week!
Posted by Soup Nazi on September 20, 2007 03:49 PMLove the Seinfeld reference................
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 04:16 PMReligious nut-jobs and the youngsters that ape them think that rules only apply to others. That's why you see lying, philandering evangelists getting into trouble all the time.
Posted by drew on September 20, 2007 04:17 PMdrew you see "lying, philandering evangelists" get in trouble all the time, cause they're human like everyone else, quit acting like hypocrisy only applies to the church it applies to EVERYONE at one time or another including myself!
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 05:09 PMNotice how these conservatives fuming about how she has the right to say whatever she want are strangely quiet over Fox censoring Kathy Griffin's Emmy Speech where she said Jesus had nothing to do with her Emmy.
Posted by D on September 20, 2007 05:15 PMI'm still waiting (and it'll probably be a long wait because the bias regarding religion in this country is very much for, not anti) for a valedictorian to announce that there's no such thing as God. Let's see "free speech" defended then.
Posted by Hans Christian Brando on September 20, 2007 05:55 PMHeather,
As a Chrisitan, what's your opinion of Ms. Corder willful deception and flouting of the established rules?
Posted by John III on September 20, 2007 05:59 PMHeather: I bet you are just soooo cute when you roll your eyes. (doin' it now, are you?)
Well, your point is silly, at best. But, thanks for the mention. :-)
Kisses!!!
Heather, keep graduation God/Goddess free unless Focus on the Family pays for the podium, microphone and electricity.
Sheila, we are famous!
check this out. http://www.the3day.org/sandiego07/nickdaniel
A friend of mine, a fine young man is doing this. :-)
Posted by Sharon B. on September 20, 2007 07:27 PMNo God/Goddess at graduation Heather, I am consistent.
Let Focus on the Family pay for the electricity, podium and microphone. Then she can preach.
sheila, we are famous. Check out this site from a very dear friend of mine.
http://www.the3day.org/sandiego07/nickdaniel
Oh poo, that wasn`t what I wanted to happen.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 20, 2007 07:32 PMSharon B.
Too late! You've shown the world you care enough to edit!
Posted by Charles B on September 20, 2007 09:40 PMSharon, it is so kewl to be in your company!!!
Ah aym tarOOly hhhonah'ad. :-)
As for the susanb.komen thingy... i'll get logged on and make a donation, what the hec. Even if it is true that more women die of heart disease every year, i, like a lot of people, thing boobies are sexier than hearts and, therefore, must be protected. (seriously, i am NOT kidding....actually... i might be... one never knows, does one?)
:-)
And since I am such a stickler for everyone staying focused and 'on task' I want to make a plug for the lady who wrote the original letter. She wrote my thoughts. So much better than I could have or would have. KUDOS, BUDDY!!!
KISSES!!!
:-)
all of you are idiots ! plain and simple IDIOTS
Posted by the guy who points out idiots on September 20, 2007 10:14 PMSheila, thanks, you are a doll. Glad you post here.
Charles, you haven`t posted much, been on vacation?
Posted by Sharon B. on September 20, 2007 10:25 PMJohn I don't think it was right her being deceitful about it at all, God is not in the business of lying to people in order to get them to notice Him. Not that he's in the business of lying at all, cause He's God, but anyway............
Hi Sheila & Sharon :) I"m still laughing at the soup nazi guy, you know what's sad, I roll my eyes so much I don't even know that I'm doing it half the time LOL........
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 11:02 PMD:
I didn't watch the Emmy's and I didn't know that was said, so I will be commencing with the eye rolling.....
Posted by Heather on September 20, 2007 11:05 PMHey Heather, my daughter sighs, I told her she sounds like a leaf blower. She rolled her eyes at that too.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 20, 2007 11:56 PMHeather said ”If she had praised Buddah or Allah or any of the aforementioned, everyone would be cheering her on and saying good for her, and you know it!”
Except of course for you, that is.
You and many, many others, who would be screaming blue murder that the “liberal education system” was allowing, nay, forcing people to listen to proselytizing.
You know it.
Btw, it’s “Buddha”, sheesh!
”BTW I'm rolling my eyes ahould Sheila or Sharon B elect to say something about my point.........”
Go ahead Miss goggly-eyes, roll whatever you want, fact is you would freak out if a Muslim student had done that.
You just like feeling indignant.
She had a right to say anything about her own faith - she stepped over the line when she decided to proselytize. I am a Christian too, but still believe in tolerance for all beliefs and also believe in the separation of church & state. Remember "render unto Caesar...
Posted by Carol on September 21, 2007 07:21 AMApparently Bango so do you.........
Carol Rendering unto Caesar had to do with paying your taxes, regardless of whether or not you agreed with your government..........
Posted by Heather on September 21, 2007 08:04 AMIt is nice to see some more women on these threads.
And some people with smarts, like Bango.
Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 08:15 AMA 30-second fart from Jesus the Christ in the public arena, a "jew" from the "loins of David" is noxious; thank you, Allah, I was not there, whose fart is also overwhelmingly harmful, injurious to health or physical well-being with fumes morally harmful; corrupting; and pernicious. Do you get the feeling all gods are created from crap?
Deicide Corner: “Indeed Christianity passes. Passes--it has gone! It has littered the beaches of life with churches, cathedrals, shrines and crucifixes, prejudices and intolerances, like the sea urchin and starfish and empty shells and lumps of stinging jelly upon the sands here after a tide. A tidal wave out of Egypt. And it has left a multitude of little wriggling theologians and confessors and apologists hopping and burrowing in the warm nutritious sand. But in the hearts of living men, what remains of it now? Doubtful scraps of Arianism. Phrases. Sentiments. Habits.” -- H.G. Wells
Okay... i am going to go WAY off task here and ask a question that I find BEGS to be asked when people refer to 'god' as 'he'. WHAT, in bloody blue blazes does 'his' Mr. Happy look like?
Just curious. Thank you.
KISSES!!!
Sheila,
I read that God is a black woman and she's mad as hell at all the hypocrites who use her as an excuse for their bigotry.
Posted by Stan Broyles on September 21, 2007 12:49 PMThat H. G. Wells quote is wonderful, very visual. God/Goddess I wish I could write like that.!
Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 12:53 PMHeather hiccupped ” Apparently Bango so do you.........”
No ducky, the girl wouldn’t offend me at all, neither would any other would-be priestess taking advantage of the situation to do their little song and dance.
I find it a poignant mixture of endearing and childish.
I also feel embarrassment for her part since it displays that she poorly understands social protocol, and her views are evidently simplistic and ill-informed. So ok, she makes a spectacle of herself and her brethren think she is hot stuff, but she thereby also demonstrates her immaturity.
Who would regard her as a serious postgrad candidate or likely to take responsibility?
Stultus quoque, si tacuerit, sapiens reputabitur
Sharon, you are too kind, love you too ;)
Posted by Bango Skank on September 21, 2007 09:03 PMI'm agnostic... thirty seconds of JC who cares?? (yawn)
Posted by A on September 22, 2007 12:10 PMSorry didn't finish hit wrong button..... It would have been better for the school and everyone involved to have ignored Ms. Corder, there is to much attention being givin to a 30 second mention of a religious figure.
When you see a Muslim womans cranium wrapped up like a head trauma victim does that not scream religion??
How bout wearing a crucifix around ones neck??
I could mention many other relgious symbols and agendas. We are exposed to this sort of relgious display day in and day out. Relax people Ms. Corder didn't rip anyones flesh apart in the 30 seconds.
Much ado about absolutely nothing!!!
Posted by A on September 22, 2007 12:26 PM