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“No End in Sight” film

Friday, September 21 at 2:00 PM

Dane Hartman of Denver writes:

"Is this the best that America can do?” Those are the last words of the forceful documentary “No End in Sight", spoken by a marine who fought in Iraq. The film should be mandatory viewing for anyone who considers himself a patriot. I implore you to go see it, because the consequences of our ignorance to what our own country is going will soon become impossible to ignore.

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READER COMMENTS

Mandatory viewing? How liberal.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 03:29 PM

Mandatory only if you consider yourself a patriot, others can stay home.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 03:38 PM

3:29,

Stay forever, bankrupt America, never change direction, never admit a mistake, invade under false pretenses. How conservative. We are never leaving Iraq, we have to have control over the oil!!

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 03:40 PM

Excellent retort, Mr. Cheney, but I fear you are casting pearls before swine.

Posted by Rick on September 21, 2007 03:46 PM

Yes, Karl, and never admit that you too may be wrong.

Sharon B. the patriot. I think that's as funny to me as JJ being a liberal is to OG.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 03:47 PM

What's so excellent about it Dick, I mean, Rick?

Posted by on September 21, 2007 03:49 PM

3:47,

Get a screen name or a handle or something so we that are smart and correct can address you personally without having to guess the poster. And by the way I didn't invade Iraq, I didn't vote for Bush. So politically I have nothing to admit to being wrong about.

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 04:08 PM

Patriotism

There is nothing more patriotic than questioning those that are making the decisions that effect our country. Loyalty and patriotism are not synoymous. Sharon is abviously patriotic, she loves the US enough to stand up to tyranny and fascism. Those that don't (to quote An American) are cowards.

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 04:16 PM

And you'll mandate a screen name for me? You are bossy. You could be wrong about the impact we'll have over time. You know, pre-empted a nuclear world war III or something? Point is, it's impossible to actually know how things would be if did it differently. So, your usual scree sounds simple-minded and arrogant. A little humility to the chaos of life might help your reason to come through clearer.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 04:16 PM

Karl, there's a big difference between questions and assumptions, accusations and aspersions.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 04:24 PM

I suppose it's too much to expect that anyone who has seen the film will say what it is about and why they consider it so important, if they do. Asking people to go see a movie if they want to be in on the conversation is pretty thoughtless and arrogant.

Posted by Truth on September 21, 2007 04:33 PM

OK screenless namers,

You tell me what Bush has been correct about? With all his pre war assumptions as to the outcome of this invasion what did he predict that turned out to be correct?
These people have been fighting for thousands of years over religion and territroy, we aren't going to change a thing except try to control the flow of oil from Iraq.

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 04:37 PM

Truth, was that sarcasm?

If so, it was to delicate a touch.

I will bet the Anon who dislikes me is a man.

Thanks Karl, like your posts.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 04:46 PM

Karl, that wasn't my point. I don't know what he's been correct about because I work and get my information from the news. Maybe an example. Did you see the movie the Dead Zone with Christopher Walken? The whole point of that movie was whether he should kill the senator because he saw he would push the button if he became president. He asked his shrink if he would have killed Hitler. The Omen, would you kill baby Satan? Tons of art about the same question. If you do it, you're a kook, and only providence knows you were a hero. It's why hateful dialogue shows arrogance and ignorance because no one can know what it would be like different action were taken. Question? Yes. Revile? No.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 04:58 PM

Truth: "...who has seen the film will say what it is about and why they consider it so important..."

It a far left wing "critique" of the Iraq war and how terrible the US is. It's farther left than MoveOn.org.

Just the ticket for Bush bashers (and he does need bashing) to continue their howls of self righteous indignation. Of course, old crotch, err...grouch, Sharon B, etc. swear it's the gospel according to all that is righteous and accurate...

Posted by on September 21, 2007 05:09 PM

Anon at 3:47 Please list 5 or things I have said that led you to question my patriotism.

I am really curious how you came up with that opinion.

If that is you at 5:09, I havn`t seen it or sworn to anything. Your imagination is just getting out of hand.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 06:41 PM

4:58,

Where do you get your information from? If you don't get if front the news? No Newspapers? No TV? No internet news? Current and past world happenings gathered for magazine articles, newspaper print or tv is considered news. Is there a source I don't know about. And you know nothing of GW Bush and what he said prior to the war as to how it was going to be paid for and how the Iraqi's would accept our presence? As far as an earlier post that perhaps we pre-empted WWIII, maybe we started WWIII, the fact is many people even Bush's father, as well as Cheney years ago stated it would be a disaster and quagmire if we went into Iraq. But GW listens to a higher power and doesn't believe in Evolution. I still can't believe we have three Republican's running for President that don't believe in the science of evolution. (got a little off track there).

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 06:54 PM

Sharon Baby: Your 06:41PM Post seems to contradict your earlier 03:38PM Post

"Mandatory only if you consider yourself a patriot, others can stay home."
Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 03:38 PM

"I havn`t seen it or sworn to anything."
"...things I have said that led you to question my patriotism."
Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 06:41 PM

Posted by on September 21, 2007 07:05 PM

Karl Cheney proclaimed:

"There is nothing more patriotic than questioning those that are making the decisions that effect our country. "

What a salient distinction between liberals and conservatives. That comment was one of the dumbest I have ever heard.

There is nothing more patriotic than questioning your leaders? Nothing at all? What a moronic thing to say.

Thanks for saying it, though. You have just proved what the essence of liberalism is: a childlike, selfish, immature ideology based on emotionalism and thoughtless recalcitrance.

Posted by John II on September 21, 2007 07:08 PM

John 2,

So by your post here, the best thing to do is never question your elected officials? Go in lock step with them no matter what? Never question their motive or intent once elected? as Britney Spears says which apparently you are in full agreement with "We should just trust our President and do whatever he thinks is best". That is a saliient description between liberals and conservatives. Whatever a conservative leader says you will not question? That kind of thinking can get some countries in trouble, there is a name that comes to mind that people followed without question but I can't seem to recall it. And you say questioning your elected officials is a moronic thing to say?

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 07:22 PM

Cheney: Didn't you read any of johnnie 2boy's posts on racist bigotry? It pre-determined his responses to this thread -- Sig Heil...the Fuhrer is always right...blind obedience to the spoken word, etc.; racial purity, Aryan Supremacy, etc...what's a few American lives if we are eradicating those brown skinned vermin overseas...

Posted by on September 21, 2007 07:30 PM

Sharon 6:41-

Can I take a shot at that?

Correct me if I'm wrong ,but I believe in the body of your many past posts you have:

1.Bashed our Commander In Chief in a time of war.

2.Blamed your own country for being the "problem" as to why we were attacked and now involved in this war.

3.Claimed you support the troops but not their mission.

4.Claimed that U.S. interrogation techniques, such as water-boarding , on pow's is torture.

5.Have been soft on illegal immigration and securing our borders.

6.Downplayed the threat our enemies pose.

Am I forgetting any?.

Posted by Get Real on September 21, 2007 07:36 PM

Karl Cheney wondered:

"So by your post here, the best thing to do is never question your elected officials? Go in lock step with them no matter what?"

Where did I even come close to suggesting that? Are you saying if I don't accept your extreme version of patriotism, I must, therefore, be on the opposite side of the spectrum?

The simple act of questioning a leader is not the most patriotic act one can commit. I can think of a lot of other acts much more patriotic than simply questioning one's leader.

Posted by John II on September 21, 2007 07:42 PM

John II thinks we should not question our government. Wow, how smart is that? And can you imagine a genuine adult claiming that only liberals question the government?

What tops it off is that this garbage is coming from a fanatic extremist who questions almost everything the government does.

John II is a terribly embittered person, which is why he has so much trouble making sense. He wishes he were somewhere where there was no government except one that has an army and builds bridges, although he probably would not object if it also built a road, as long as the road ran in front of his place.

What in the world could have happened to him to give him that jaundiced an attitude is beyond me. If he wasn't such an ass, you could almost feel sorry for him.

Posted by Truth on September 21, 2007 07:45 PM

Get real: Selective memory is not forgetting.

(1) Yes
(2) No
(3) yes
(4) yes
(5) never even mentioned it
(6) No.

I criticize Bush and blame Islamic radicals . for the attack. I support the troops coming home, don`t support the mission, havn`t claimed some methods were torture, but now that you mention it some as described were.

There isn`t any way for me to be soft on immigration or securing the borders. I blame big business wedded to government for this.

We have real enemies, just not always the ones Bush points out.

We have real enemies and real threats.

Now maybe you would like to mis-tell me my energy ideas, you are getting around 50% so far right. Sort of.

7;05 that was clever.

A: says the movie should be mandated for "you who call yourself patriots."

B: says that is liberal , the mandating part.

C: I say, only mandated for those who call themselves patriots. A play on words, see now?

The last part about not seeing it yet, doesn`t go with the first part.

so very sorry this confused you. Both of you it seems.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 07:59 PM

Truth slandered:

"John II thinks we should not question our government. "

Where would you get such an idea? I spend most of my time on this forum questioning the federal government's abuse of it's constitutional powers.

"What tops it off is that this garbage is coming from a fanatic extremist who questions almost everything the government does."

But, didn't you just say that "John II thinks we should not question our government. "?

"He wishes he were somewhere where there was no government except one that has an army and builds bridges, although he probably would not object if it also built a road, as long as the road ran in front of his place."

No, I wish I was somewhere where the Constitution was respected.

"What in the world could have happened to him to give him that jaundiced an attitude is beyond me."

I'll tell you: the takeover of a once great nation by effete and effeminate socialists.

Posted by John II on September 21, 2007 08:00 PM

johnnie 2boy just wishes he had lived in the day of the ball and musket, plantation owners and his own parcel of slaves. The Constitution wouldn't have to provide a framework for modern society as it was ahead of it's time in those days.

Posted by on September 21, 2007 08:06 PM

Oh No, John II, you did it AGAIN.

AGAIN with the effete and effeminate socialists.

You say "Criticize the government, whenever it takes a ha-penny from me that I don`t wish to part with. "

For your next few letters may I suggest some additional modifiers.

Feminine
Feminize
Femanazoid
Femaleftist (copywright on this one).

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 08:26 PM

Sharon 7:59-

So by admitting to only 50% of the traitorous acts excludes you from the unpatriotic label?

Posted by Get Real on September 21, 2007 08:27 PM

Sharon 7:59-

So by admitting to only 50% of the traitorous acts excludes you from the unpatriotic label?

Posted by Get Real on September 21, 2007 08:28 PM

Sharon B. misquoted:

"You say "Criticize the government, whenever it takes a ha-penny from me that I don`t wish to part with. ""

I never said that.

Posted by John II on September 21, 2007 08:46 PM

John II, but don`t you wish you had? I admit I am paraphrasing you, since the only criticism I remember from you is about taxes. That , in my humble opinion, means you only criticize the government when it takes your money.

What else does it do wrong?

Get real, I admit that you have nearly quoted my right about 50% of the time. Even if all those things were right, you still don`t get to be the decider of what is a patriot and what a patriot may or may not do.

You may think you have a patriometer built into your brain, but that is just your imagination.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 09:05 PM

Sharon B.,

Do you agree with this statement:

"There is nothing more patriotic than questioning those that are making the decisions that effect our country."

Posted by John II on September 21, 2007 09:21 PM

Sharon 9:05-

In my humble opinion, such statements as those you admit to are not that of a patriot.

A patriot,in a time of war, does not slander the President or hinder the mission to wipe radical Islam from the face of the earth.

If the Democrat Party acted like this during WW2 do you think we would be typing in English right now?

Posted by Get Real on September 21, 2007 09:42 PM

John II, yes I agree 100%. This would have been a boon to Germany, Japan and maybe even Russia. But no one did it.

GR. Cute, you went from "bash" the Commander in Chief to "Slander" which is a legal term. Slander and Libel. Look them up in a law library.

I hinder the mission? What a pompous jerk you are, and I rarely call names.

Lucky for me this isn`t the U.S.S.R. and you are not the Commissar of Patriotism, you would take the job with glee. and I bet you would hand out prison sentences with abandon. Your version of patriosm sounds right out of the handbook for good little communists.

Your humble opinion and 50cents will get you tomorrows newspaper.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 10:03 PM

Worms of a can I did open
(read in the voice of Yoda)

Posted by Karl Cheney on September 21, 2007 11:09 PM

So Sharon, how much did you question Slick Willy?

Posted by on September 21, 2007 11:21 PM

Plenty, and I loved that blue dress moment. Now children go to bed.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 21, 2007 11:23 PM

Mandatory indoctrination. What a lovely liberal idea. If you don't watch, do you go to a concentration, er.. re-education camp?

Posted by clyde on September 21, 2007 11:24 PM

"John II, yes I agree 100%. This would have been a boon to Germany, Japan and maybe even Russia. But no one did it."

Moron.

So, I assume you feel that your Bush-bashing is more patriotic than the soldiers who rushed the beaches of Normandy?

Oh, how I despise liberalism.

Liberalism must die.

Posted by John II on September 22, 2007 12:07 AM

it is so fun to see how emotional the libs get when put to task.
if any of you over emotional libs really need help some time besure to call your liberal friends in congress and watch how fast they react with non action. remember thier great motto about the first 100 hours of what was going to happen and that they would be in full control? yep they passed a minimum wage bill that makes all of their minimum wage earners feel good.

Posted by on September 22, 2007 08:52 AM

John2 spits:

"Oh, how I despise liberalism. Liberalism must die."

Of all the threats facing our country right now, it is this kind of totalitarian mindset is probably the most dangerous.

Make no mistake; John2 and his ilk are the modern day versions of the Nazi brown shirts.

These are the type of people that will taunt, provoke and attack a Gold Star father because even though he lost his son in the war, he dares to have a viewpoint that doesn't agree with them.

These clowns somehow see themselves as great Americans, when in reality, they are just un-American, cowardly bullies. They are hell bent on destroying everything that this country stands for.

Posted by Not J2 on September 22, 2007 11:56 AM

Anon (probably a man) at 8:52. I like to think my responses are coolly reasoned unlike "Liberalism must die" which I suspect is fill with emotion.

Get you Republic buddies to help pass the laws, the government is still infested with conservatives who block anything good for the country.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 22, 2007 12:20 PM

I'm sorry, Sharon B. I'm not sure what you meant by your post at 12:41 AM.

I haven't seen the movie for this thread but I heard if had a pair of really powerful binoculars I could see the light at the end of the Iraq tunnel.... Whoops! It's a train!

Posted by Stan Broyles on September 22, 2007 12:30 PM

A true patriot will do everything they can to defeat the media and the 911bushitlermcburton conspiricy and their filthy baby killer soliders playing out this war of lies for oil.For the good of the new progressive dem party and the citizens of the world ,the truth must be told.

Dont Taze Me Bro

Posted by on September 22, 2007 03:27 PM

For those who question the morals and integrity of the "new progressive dem party" you only need to read the venom spewed by "Dont Taze Me Bro." Damn the truth, damn objectivity...only my beliefs are valid and our soldiers are "...filthy baby killer soliders..."

You lefties have a lot to proud of...you're almost making Bush look honorable.

Posted by on September 22, 2007 03:38 PM

Don`t taze me was a conservative pretending to be a lib. It was satire you fool.

Karl, I tried Yoda speak at 12:41. Didn`t work. You said you opened a can of worms, and i said be careful next time. (joke)

What a lot of emotion, anger and hatred for a discussion of a movie most of us have not seen and maybe never will.

The agendanites strike again!

Posted by Sharon B. on September 22, 2007 04:54 PM

Listen closley Sharon,I am the furthest thing from a Rep and take great offense to your saying otherwise.What the hell is wrong with you?What have I said that isnt true? I thought we were on the same side but now see you are one of the fake Dems responsible for enabling the conservatives and their made up war for oil.Your type make me sick and are as much as fault as the corporate Reps and media.YOU ARE THE PRETENDERS!!!

DONT TAZE ME BRO

Posted by on September 22, 2007 06:44 PM

Hey Bro, no buddy, you are on your own side all alone.

But we all will wave to you from time to time.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 22, 2007 07:29 PM

DTMB,

What "side" are we on? We all have our opinions (and misunderstandings). Cool it. Underneath it all, we are all in this together.

Posted by Stan Broyles on September 22, 2007 07:29 PM

Ol' Stan the man Broyles is starting to sound more and more like Un Truth. Waxing philosophical and trying to lead the chorus in Kumbaya...

Posted by Babysitter on September 22, 2007 07:53 PM

Sharon and Stan,I am not alone, there are millions like me and you are the ones on the outside of the New Progressive Dem Party.You soft Dems have no clue to the Revolution taking place in this party and need to get on board before it is too late.See what we did to the turncoat Leiberman?What statements have I made that you can contradict?None of them!Just check on media matters,daily kos or dem underground for the real story.When you are educated come back and well work together to create an America we can be proud of.
SET IT STRAIGHT IN 2008!

DONT TAZE ME BRO

Posted by on September 22, 2007 09:26 PM

You lefties can be proud...real proud. The "revolution" has started and you'd better get in step...the lead animals have spoken. "...there are millions like me and you are the ones on the outside of the New Progressive Dem Party."

Liberal thought and compassion has been hijacked by the new militant "progressives"...and we think Bush and his cohorts are bad, wait until these clowns started allocating and teaching you the goose step.

Brought to you by the new, improved left...SET IT STRAIGHT IN 2008!

DONT TAZE ME BRO

Posted by on September 22, 2007 09:37 PM

Sorry Bro, not buying it.

And the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves for being taken in by this. Bro is not part of some big revolution, he is pretty much the lone wolf.

I am not going to take the time to defend Democrats, that is what he wants us to do.

Hmmm, yes the lead animal has spoken.

On the other side we have a few conservatives waiting for the revolution where they can shoot a few illegals.

Let the two sides meet, leave the rest of us along.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 22, 2007 09:55 PM

I see that John II's web site is under investigation - again. You'd think the racist bigot would learn...

JENA, La. — The FBI is reviewing a white supremacist Web site that purports to list the addresses of five of the six black teenagers accused of beating a white student in the small town of Jena and "essentially called for their lynching," an agency spokeswoman said.

Posted by on September 23, 2007 08:33 AM

What if John II gets taken away and deprived of his rights?

He does seem to love the idea of a revolution so much.

Posted by Sharon B. on September 23, 2007 12:34 PM