Boulder students protesting Pledge
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"Your" flag? ESAD, M.
Posted by on October 11, 2007 02:07 PMMichael J. Mee is obviously too ignorant to know that the current version of the Pledge is the new version...
Posted by Charles B. on October 11, 2007 02:46 PMThey already have a new flag. Mexico's!
Posted by on October 11, 2007 03:03 PMLike oh my God... I'm like, so protesting the Pledge of Allegiance, because um like oh my God, it says the word God in it and I'm um like oh my God, so not into say the word God.
Posted by on October 11, 2007 03:36 PMdid you read how the school took a kids phone and went through it and read all of his text messages because he was, gasp, smoking a cig in the parking lot? now that is the peoples republic of boulder for you, and even the aclu is upset that they did it but boulder claims it is within their power to do so because it was for safety to read all of this kids text messages and find out who he was talking to. they could have been talking about weed, which by the way they were telling kids it was ok to use not long ago. great place boulder, wish they would plow it under and turn it into a park.
Posted by on October 11, 2007 03:38 PMGood Lord, Michael, if you think that Boulder is the only place that has protesters, good and bad, you really are short-handed in the information area. And it wasn't Boulder that came up with that version, it was a few high school students. But facts of that sort get in the way of wanting to simply rant and rave, don't they? What else do you do to entertain yourself?
Posted by Truth on October 11, 2007 04:09 PMHey, can you get "people's republic of boulder" into that letter a few more times? I think you erred too far on the side of subtlety.
Seriously, do you think that's clever? Do you really think it's so clever that you need to repeat it 4 times in a 125 word letter?
I would respond to the points you raised, but I can't find them. I'm too busy laughing my ass off at "people's republic of boulder."
Michael, you are too funny. And like Charles said, the current version IS new. I don't know how old you are, but I think it was revised in 1954. Were you complaining in 1953?
Posted by Mac on October 11, 2007 10:05 PMBoulder preaches from it's ivory towers about "diversity" and multiculturalism. What is the ethnic makeup of Boulder? 98% white? I'll just ignore Boulder from afar
Posted by Ben on October 12, 2007 06:03 AMF**k Boulder!
Posted by on October 12, 2007 06:34 AM
Tase this. F**k Boulder!
"Boulder preaches from it's ivory towers about "diversity" and multiculturalism. What is the ethnic makeup of Boulder? 98% white? I'll just ignore Boulder from afar"
Come now, Boulder has diversity. Who would be the target of the regular gang beatings that occur in Boulder if it were only white frats?
Posted by on October 12, 2007 08:22 AMDamn these kids for exercising their rights! Maybe it is time for us to create a totalitarian society so that we no longer have to deal with people exercising their rights!!
Posted by just sayin' on October 12, 2007 08:27 AM3:38-
That happened at Monarch HS, which, although is part of Boulder Valley SD, is not in Boulder. It's in Louisville. Do some research before you complain.
Steve Ritchie, a retired USAF general and fighter pilot ace of the Vietnam War, also calls Boulder home. I would guess he falls on the conservative side. Apparently he feel Boulder is OK. I believe Soldier of Fortune magazine is published here. Not exactly a liberal rag.
Posted by BO on October 12, 2007 09:15 AMThese kids were just exercising their rights, the same as the girl who spoke of (dare I say it) Jesus in her grad speech.
1st Amendment covers a lot of ground for everone, not just a chosen few.
Posted by KW on October 12, 2007 09:17 AMYo Michael: About fifty years ago Taliban Christianity goaded Congress into trashing the original Belamy pledge by change and augment. Old Grouch hunkers back to the original pledge: I don't participate lest it gives the appearance of impropriety in that I am uttering the product of Christian theft. Kids are forced and if they decline are ridiculed and bullied.
I pledge allegiance to my flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
The congressional pledge creates a divisible nation and changes "my" to "the" ~~ and compels a captive audience to recite an abomination, "under God" when our Constitution is godless and even bans god in Art. 6:3.
Richard G.
More of the same of your Godless concept of the Pledge. You sound like a broken record stuck in the same old groove.
You and the kids in Boulder that have been indotrinated in the godless goverment schools sort of like in the USSR should adopt their now defunct flag with the hammer and sickle . We also can't forget the little red star you pinkos.
Posted by on October 12, 2007 10:41 AMIf the students and faculty of Boulder want to protest the American flag and the American government, then I say we no longer give taxes to Boulder, no government paid police protection, no government paid health care, no government paid highway/road repairs, and no taxes for education for CU or any other schools in that area. Let Boulder be self-sufficient.
Posted by on October 12, 2007 11:36 AMKW,
"These kids were just exercising their rights, the same as the girl who spoke of (dare I say it) Jesus in her grad speech."
KW you can't let go of this one , can you? The Boulder kids were exercising their rights. The grad speech girl told the principal she was going to say one thing - and then said another (or added an unapproved segment). Difference between "exercising rights" and lying, wouldn't you say?
Posted by drew on October 12, 2007 11:41 AMPunky the Clown said:
"You and the kids in Boulder that have been indotrinated in the godless goverment schools..."
Sorry Punky Nutz, but all schools and indeed everything is "godless".
Posted by Charles B. on October 12, 2007 11:48 AMI have read most of the comments here concerning Boulder HS students protesting the Pledge of Allegience and have come to the conclusion that most have missed the part where these students are not REQUIRED to recite the pledge. This leads me to believe that this protest was engineered to either garner attention or create a supposedly legitimate excuss to leave the clasroom. I therefore find it ridiculous that so much attention and name calling has been generated for a useless protest. I would find it disheartening if the parents of these students encouraged this action, I would think they should be directing them in a more positive direction. They do have the right to protest, but why organize against something they are not required to recite in the first place.
Posted by Blair on October 12, 2007 12:18 PMWhat's wrong with a little mythology in the pledge?
...I pledge allegiance, to Ullr, if He'll make it snow a lot this season, because my snowmobile needs the excercise....
There, see?
Everyone gets so worked up over these ancient myths. For example;
Muslims blowing people up because they think their MYTH commands it.
" I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America. To the republic for which it stands, ONE NATION, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
Been a long time since the third grade, can't remember if that is exactly how it goes. But I do know it did not contain under god--that was courtesy of the McCarthy era.
Is that what you "save the pledge" whiners really want to protect --McCarthyism?
PS--"In God We Trust" was added as a 2nd national motto during the McCarthy years as well. I only recognize the real motto "E Plurabus Unum" (Out of many, one)
Posted by GEO on October 12, 2007 12:31 PMExactly, Blair!
Funny they didn't protest on Saturday or on
Sunday. (the Sabbath!)
Just a juvenile excuse to leave class, and show what spoiled little whiners they are. This is the kind of mentality that's being fostered; anytime you're even a little offended, it's someone elses fault.
Never mind that you're a hypersensitive cry-baby.
Blank said: "More of the same of your Godless concept of the Pledge..."
You don't believe that there was a Pledge of Allegience before it was modified in the 1950's?
Posted by Mac on October 12, 2007 12:53 PMMac,
You're seeing the basic difference between those "godless" schools and the ones all full of "god".
The "godless" schools teach history, facts, and realities.
The "god" schools indoctrinate in superstition, myth, and foolish beliefs, and their basic motto is, "To hell with facts!"
So, when the "god" schooled come across something that hasn't been preached at them by their head wizard, they have to deny its existence..
Posted by Old Grouch on October 12, 2007 01:04 PMWhat would all you arrogant do nothing butt wipe neocons do if you didn't have some harmless phantom issue to whine, cry and complain about?
I was forced to say the pledge when I was in grade school.
That anyone was ever made to say the pledge of allegiance goes against the very principles of individual freedoms that our found fathers set forth when they created this nation.
Let's get down to brass tacks, here. Forcing children to say the pledge of allegiance was a blatant act of indoctrination.
Adding "under God" to that pledge was another act of indoctrination.
Isn't it just a little bit ironic that it's always the conservatives who think they are the most patriotic but have an undeniable need to force other people to bend to their will, which contradicts everything that this country is supposed to be about?
Now, quit your petty bitchin' and whining and get over yourselves.
Posted by on October 12, 2007 01:12 PMThere is no USSR; Communism collapsed. Children are forced to recite the congressional pledge and if any kid protests he is punished by the Taliban Christian teacher. It is imperative to keep up the clamor for return of Belamy's pledge that provides for an indivisible nation which the current pledge transforms into a divisible nation with justice for Christians only since it is their "jew" baby referenced as "God."
Posted by RG, Deicide r22037@yahoo.com Go to ffrf.org for a free copy of FreeThought Today on October 12, 2007 01:15 PMYou're right, OG. I just would have said it in a nicer way! 8^)
I just have to add this - it annoys the heck out of me when I am at Rockies games and during the 7th inning stretch everyone is "supposed" to stand during the playing of "America The Beautiful". When I don't stand and put my ball cap over my heart, I usually get ugly stares. Sorry, but I reserve that honor for the National Anthem, and ATB ain't it!
Posted by Mac on October 12, 2007 02:04 PM"When I don't stand and put my ball cap over my heart, I usually get ugly stares."
Too bad, but at least you can come onto these boards and cry about your bruised feelings.
Posted by Keith on October 12, 2007 02:22 PMMac,
I really miss the old Chjicago Cubs, and Harry Cary. Seventh Inning Stretch and Harry's rendition of "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" were the highlights of TV in the Summer, back in those days.
For myself, I really wish America the Beautiful would replace the Star Spangled Banner - at least for singing purposes, if nothing else. Beyond that, I never heard of standing up and taking off one's hat for it before. But, I guess people can make a form of "religion" out of most anything these days..
Posted by Old Grouch on October 12, 2007 03:51 PMKeep the new pledge so the rabble can say "One nation under Bob, or dog, or cod." Gives us a way to protest and go he he he at the same time.
If a fad caught on for all the school kids to say "under Goddess" you can bet money that the pledge would be history fast.
Posted by Sharon B. on October 12, 2007 03:56 PMKeith said:
"Too bad, but at least you can come onto these boards and cry about your bruised feelings"
You didn't get it at all. I couldn't care less about what they think of me - what is sad is that they think "America The Beautiful" is the National Anthem. Reflects poorly on our school system, in my opinion. Or it reflects poorly on their patriotism, as they treat a common song the same as The Star Spangled Banner. Didn't mean to confuse you.
OG - I spent many a day (and occasional night) at Wrigley and just the other day at Coors Field I told my wife that I STILL miss Harry.
I prefer ATB as a song as well, BUT the fact of the matter is that ATB is NOT the anthem, and those who treat it as such show serious disrespect to the Star Spangled Banner (both the flag and the song).
> You didn't get it at all.
These boards would be overwhelmed if people pointed out everytime Keith doesn't get something.
Posted by on October 12, 2007 10:01 PMOf course Boulder students would protest anything that stands for the US because their schools are controlled by US hating Democrat cowards.What do you expect ,these are the same Democrats that are trying to help the terrorists win the war.These are the same democrats that want to disarm the citizens,take away our freedon of speech and destroy the Bill of Rights except for the parts that they think will help the terrorists.
Posted by An American on October 14, 2007 09:32 AMAn American, you need to be more careful. Don't you realize that your mailman is a Democrat and that he may be bringing you a bomb? They're everywhere. Be sure you use a rear view mirror when you walk anywhere. You do have a food taster, don't you?
Posted by Truth on October 14, 2007 07:49 PMTruth sounds like he fears everything.He sounds like a a Democrat coward.We true Americans fear nothing.Something Democrats would not understand.Also the Democrat head of the Senate Harry Reed and the rest of the Democrat Senators sent a letter to Clear Channel trying to get Rush Limbaugh fired.They want to close talk radio so people can't get the truth anymore.They are trying to destroy our freedom of speech to protect thier friends the terrorists.
Posted by An American on October 15, 2007 11:36 AMThe only thing UnAmerican fears is a bath and a woman.
Posted by on October 15, 2007 02:11 PMAn American: "We true Americans fear nothing."
Most infants are the same way. That's why they, and people like An American, need keepers.
Posted by Truth on October 15, 2007 02:40 PMIt's freedom OF religion not FROM religion and I don't recall where we are given the Constitutional "right" to not be offened. Can someone enlighten me?
It's freedom OF religion not FROM religion and I don't recall where we are given the Constitutional "right" to not be offended. Can someone enlighten me?
It's freedom OF religion not FROM religion and I don't recall where we are given the Constitutional "right" to not be offended. Can someone enlighten me?
12 whiney little babies walked out of school.So what?
The whole thing should have been ignored.
Posted by on October 17, 2007 01:30 PM