Limbaugh attack reveals Dem rashness
In case it has escaped your attention, common sense is a rare commodity in the
Democratic-controlled Senate. A sure lack of common sense has been exposed in
recent weeks.
In their desire to chastise radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, many senators
took time out from their busy schedule to draft a complaint to Rush's boss that
he is unpatriotic for exposing a person who claimed to have been in combat in
Iraq when he wasn't even in the military. Limbaugh rightly called the man a
"phony soldier."
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and dozens of his Democratic cohorts jumped at
this perceived notion that Rush was condemning all solders in Iraq who apposed
the war. A false claim by Reid.
This lack of common sense is pervasive in their everyday conduct of legislative
business. They will take time to condemn Rush, then drag their feet over issues
that are important for the security of this nation. Reid and his cohorts would
rather play politics than accomplish needed legislation.
Needless to say, the letter to Mark Mays of Clear Channel Communications has
backfired. Rush raised millions of dollars for military widows and their
children by auctioning off the letter last Friday. Now is the time for all those
millionaire senators who signed the letter to make their contribution, too.
Ron Perkins, Littleton
For those who like to have the facts I offer this from the Rush Limbaugh website.
RUSH ARCHIVE: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
RUSH: It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
RUSH: That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website, Media Matters, generated this story, fiction, out of context, did so knowingly. What is amazing is that after all of the examples of how this organization is simply a Democrat Party Hillary Clinton front group; how they constantly do this; how they take things out of context and embarrass themselves and get things wrong; they still have credible so-called journalists and others, members of Congress, Democrat Party, who treat what they say as gospel. Not one member of the media, not one congressman, nobody has called our office to ask, "Did you really say this? And what did you mean by it?" The reason this does not work, ladies and gentlemen, is that I have a 19-and-a-half-year record on this program of being one of the most devoted supporters of US military personnel in uniform that there is.
Posted by momma y on October 25, 2007 01:21 AMRush supporters are a bunch of idiots. Look at all the hateful things he's said over the years.
"Chelsea Clinton (then 13) looks like a dog"
Posted by rick on October 25, 2007 03:42 AMI have to laugh whenever Russ and other conservative carnival barker's acuse people for taking things out of context when that is exactly how they make their living. That and the fact that people like momma y listen to and believe what they say.
Russ is an entertainer, flim-flam man, con-artist, comedian. If you enjoy listening to him, fine. If you take what he and others in his same profession, Rep or Dem, say as fact then you have a problem that only a whole team of therapist working around the clock can fix. Maybe.
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 05:54 AMgood morning all of the liberal socialist progressivies who will have their shorts up in a twist on this one. remember how you all shout that you have lost freedoms because of the wiretaps of your phone calls? here are 41 of the worse dums you have elected and they show you how they respect free speech.
now please go into your rants
Dems were just grasping at straws with Limbaugh. They flat out misled-lied to get as far away as possible, as quick as possible, from the moveon/Petraeus attack which blew up in the Democrat's face. The dems little attack on Rush also blew up in their face.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 06:14 AMWow! Rush's website defends his actions and even has the EDITED transcript! Gee must be right , huh... guess I can beleiev everything on MoveOn.Org's website too? This 'man' is lower than slime and reminds me of what I scrape from my shoe when walking in a cow pasture. Rush is a drug adddicted liar who would say anything and unfortunately, his listeners will believe anything. After the criticism on Rush's comments from VoteVets.org he also went after them, comparing Brian Mcgough ( disabled Iraq war vet) to a suicide terrorist bomber becasue he didnt support Rush's views. The man will say and lie about anything to make his points. Get a clue and check out his sterling military record ...oops I forgot he has none.
Posted by Vets Against Rush on October 25, 2007 06:55 AMBoy, did Rush make a monkey out of Reid. Or was it Reid who made a monkey out of Reid? Putting Reid's smear letter on e-Bay and auctioning it off was a great idea and probably took 2 years off that moron's life.
But that's not all. Reid put an exclaimation point-- ! --on his monkeyhood when he tried to weasle in on the money makeing deal for chatity explaining how "we" never believed it would have raised that much money. "We?" The man is an imbecile with an IQ lower than the loser's total in a low scoring soccer game.
Is there any wonder why congressional approval is near single digit and at an all-time low? Harry and Nancy both have let America down with their failed and feckless leadership. That "first 100-day house cleaning" by Pelosi will go do in history as the biggest dud and flop (aka popcorn fart) ever recorded in political history.
Posted by Hank on October 25, 2007 06:57 AMHank you were wonderful in bed last night....mmmmmmmm Im still all tingly ( I think I'll walk bowlegged all week!) all over, You were even better than An American mmmmmm Im ready for seconds, Need some help getting 'up' to the task? Slurpppppppppppp, Im ready!!!!!
Posted by Keith on October 25, 2007 07:08 AMRon posts a letter claiming Limbaugh said "phony soldier" and then moma y posts the actual quote by Limbaugh which was "phony soldiers" (plural) which to anyone with half a brain means more than one. Limbaugh then spins it as best he can to cover his fat ass and conservatives fall for it hook, line and sinker.
I love it!
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 07:09 AMWhat about Rush and friends attacks on Graeme Frost and family???
It's amazing how low these people go in the name of "news".
Maybe it's all the opioids that they are taking.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 07:24 AMRush (BENEDICT ARNOLD) cloaks for the real PHONY SOLDIERS and AIRMAN. Bush is a 40+ years UCMJ-felon; AWOL, deserter, and guilty of ilegal separation and discharge. USSC Affirmative Action Judge Alito is also a member of this felonious group. Bush and Alito should be prison wives in Ft. Leavenworth, KS or SuperMax.
Posted by 40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies on October 25, 2007 07:24 AMRick,
I’m betting that you came up with that out of thin air, or some other place in the back section of your body.
Leftside,
Did you bother to read the transcript which momma y provided?
The facts are right there before your eyes and you cannot bring yourself to concede that the whole story used by Media Matters and elected Democrats in the Senate to smear a private citizen is based upon a total fabrication. Maybe that is the sort of public discourse you prefer for this nation. If so, just don’t ever cry about people losing their rights to free speech. If a private citizen, who happens to be a talk show host, makes a comment which is then twisted out of its’ original form to make political points and used as an attempt to silence that person while millions of gullible folks believe the falsehood, then we really have a big problem concerning speech rights in our society.
You really ought to be embarrassed for supporting such crap. After reading your silly post I think your support of it is born out of bigotry toward anything conservative. How shallow.
it is wonderful to see how all of the sociopaths are defending dingy harry. and yes there are a lot of phoney soliders out there who the dums and the far left socialist liberal progressives can find to help promote their ideas of hate American and the war is bad and Bush is worse.
please cry more and show the world how you have little respect for anything that hillbillary says is bad at the moment.
GK, that's because they have such high IQ's and evidently Keith really get's off on Hank. Alas, another sex scandle from family values group. Not to worry though Rush will spin it to their advantage and the 25 percenter's will go merrily into the dark.
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 07:34 AMmomma y, whether you expose the truth of what really happened on Rush's show or not,the liberal left wing are never going to admit they made a mistake.
Mediamatters,moveon.org and the daily kos own the democrats and the democrats are afraid of them. They are afraid to speak out against anything that these websites say no matter how wrong or egregious,
Rush sold the letter for $ 2.1 million dollars and added$ 2.1 of his own money to the fund that helps fallen soldiers and police and firefighters children go to college.
The truth doesn't matter though.I know you are prepared to handle the names and horrible things the liberals will throw at you,but they just can't handle the truth.
Wait for the ,But the Republicans did the same thing with Gen. Petraeus!
I clear that up right now.
Rush is a radio personality,who's words were taken out of context and he is not a politician nor does he work for the government.
General Patraeus is a Four Star General ,who commands our troops in Iraq. He is a hero and a Patriot. He was smeared before he had a chance to testify by moveon.org the pimps for the Democratic Party.
General Patraeus was called a liar and disrespected at every level by the Democratic Party.He had some good things to say about Iraq and the Democrats surely didn't want to hear that ,so they attacked the man who has made some significant changes in Iraq. It still has a long way to go but the Democrats wanted a much worse report and when they didn't get it they called him a liar and ran to their pimps moveon.org to protect them.
Mediamatters.moveon.org and the dailykos as well as other left wing smear sites will stop at nothing to destroy ,Bush,Cheney,The
Republican Party, anyone who is christian,anyone who disagrees with them.anyone on the right,anyone in the center,anyone that speaks out against their hate,anyone who loves their country,the list can go on and on.
People need to wake up and ask yourselves do you really want moveon.org and media matters both funded by George Soros who is a radical socialist billionaire,who keeps his money safe in offshore accounts,so he doesn't have to pay taxes,running the White House.with your tax dollars for his socialist programs he's whispering in the Democrats ear?
Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on October 25, 2007 07:34 AMIt's funny how the anonymous around here are so smart. Their posts are so intelligent and unassuming.
Of course, opinions are supposed to be the result of thought not a substitute for it.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 07:38 AMWell Amen, it just shows you that the lunatic fringe resides on both sides.
As moveon.org does, so does Rush and his friends. Is it right or wrong? I guess it depends which party you are aligned on. I personally think both sides are wrong.
And Mountain Cat, Rush is a public figure and should expect that anything he does is part of the public forum, no matter how stupid.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 07:46 AMRush is laughing all the way to the bank as you folks waste your time dissecting nothing! The infection grows.
Posted by What? on October 25, 2007 07:55 AMAnd what about CNN and MSNBC not even mentioning the Medal of Honor recipient last week? The left-wing media can't stand any good news to be heard since all they want to do is "Bush-bash" at every opportunity. But, of course they don't have any answers to the problems in Iraq except to cut-and-run.
Posted by Kill the Terrorists soon on October 25, 2007 08:00 AMHe can be laughing all the way to the bank, but he doesn't have any of my money.
If you want to waste your money on the lunatic fringe, then go for it.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 08:00 AMCOULD HARRY REID BE SHOWING EARLY SIGNS OF ALZHEIMERS?
REID: One reason that we have the fires burning in Southern California is global warming. One reason the Colorado basin is going dry is because of global warming.
RUSH: There is a blatant attempt to politicize this, and people don't want to hear this right now, and everybody, "What, global warming responsible for fires?" We have fires every year. We have fires every decade. We had fires on this planet for as long as the planet's been around, lightning strikes, who knows how these fires were started. But it's a tinderbox out there. If we want to start assigning political blame, we can do that, but now is not the time. But then later on, about six minutes later, a reporter said to him:
REPORTER: You said that the reason the fires are burning in California is global warming.
REID: No. Here's -- here's what... I didn't say the reason the fires were burning in Southern California is global warming.
RUSH: He said it and then he denied it in a period of six minutes. I want to play these two cuts back-to-back. We'll start again. This is Harry Reid late yesterday on Capitol Hill holding a press conference about global warming on fires.
REID: One reason that we have the fires burning in Southern California is global warming. One reason the Colorado basin is going dry is because of global warming.
REPORTER: You said that the reason the fires are burning in California is global warming.
REID: No. Here's -- here's what.. I didn't say the reason the fires were burning in Southern California is global warming.
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Nurse Ratchet, could you please hurry and get Mr. Reid his straight-jacket, please.
AND YOU WONDER WHY CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL IS AT AN ALL-TIME RECORD LOW OF 11%?
Limbaugh's show is designed is to create controversy and fire up the left by supporting the right's poltical opinion. But first of all, you must understand, his bombastic style is straight out of the vaudeville era. Now before you fanantical rightwingnuts or leftwingnuts jump on that as a plus or minus statement, understand, once again, that he is esentially a showman.
Vaudeville has been revisted by many political commentators before and will be revisted again. Why?, well, because it is effective. Grandiosly delivered statements to support one thing or the other, the sincere tone of voice, the use of a contrived intellectual vocabulary, the practiced thoughtful, somewhat halting, not too much, pattern of speech, these are all a planned approach to make people listen to what you are saying. And, it works.
Personally I get a kick out of him, whether I agree with his opinion on an issue or not. however what I don't think even he understood, at first, was that this approach is the same as the bible thumping, fire and brimstone, give me your money, charlatan self appointed television preachers use.
And , it would seem there is a small flock of true believers that think he is the second coming. They, of course are meaningless to my point. He has grown into a real media star and made tons of money by using this system of attention getting, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that people will arise, trying to get some of the same thing, by challenging his every opinion.
As for me, I think this ever widening void between left and right that has created a bipolar mind set in each of them and needs to be objectively looked at, sans the hyperbole and name calling and, if this is not accomplished, the wellfare of the taxpaying public will further be ignored in favor of an ongoing, ever increasing and destructive pissing contest that can only result in a taxpayers revolution. Wake the hell up, politicians, the American public can't and won't take much more of your inconsiderate, self absorbed ignoring of them and their families. You may think you are above the law but, remember, all that have though that way throuhout history, in the end, become the foot mat of the public. Be warned.
Posted by Allen Campbell on October 25, 2007 08:05 AMMountain Cat,
Not only did I read it, I listened to on youtube.
Heard and read "soldier's" not "soldier".
You didn't read my post or you would have noticed I included both "Rep and Dem" in my distrust of the people in that profession. Where you lose credibility is you just distrust the Dem carnival barkers.
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 08:07 AMI used to watch "Face the Nation". It consisted of a liberal host, 2-3 liberal guests and 1 conservative. The liberals would call people names and only the conservative offered thoughts or ideas with their limited time. It made me conservative. During the first Gulf War, my brother in-law was shot down. During my 8 hour trip home, I heard Rush for the first time. It was amusing to hear a conservative (very cleverly), engage in the name calling that has been a liberal bastion for years.
Personally, I have tired of Rush's insults although he sprinkled them with ideas. Recently I have heard Democrats insult and defame our military. So Rush insulted one of the phoney poster boys for Democrat hatred of the military. This was deemed a worthy event for Harry Reid and other senators. They insult our military and then try to impose limits on the free speech of a citizen.
I would love to see the childish and hateful name calling come to an end and be replaced with meaningful discourse. Perhaps that is too much to expect from citizens, but not from our Senators and Representatives. Get back to work you lazy, elitist, power mongering profligates. There is too much work to be done for you to attack a private citizen.
Soory for the spe;;ing in the last sentence, sometimes I get fired up to.
Posted by Allen Campbell on October 25, 2007 08:17 AMTom, do you really think the democrats actually hate the military? Seriously? You say you don't listen to Rush but you seem to be quoting him like a good little lunatic fringe sheep.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 08:20 AMSo Tom were equally disgusted with the Republicans when they chastised Kerry for his botched joke that was clearly pointed at Bush?
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 08:30 AMSo Tom were equally disgusted with the Republicans when they chastised Kerry for his botched joke?
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 08:33 AMSeriously, do you think any of them are worth anything? WE ALLOW OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS to shirk their responsibilities. WE ALLOW and ENCOURAGE the division in our country that Limbaugh, Maher and their ilk promote.
And we get sucked in by the "liberal media" who twist all the facts, and their "conservative detractors" who twist all the facts.
AMERICAN CITIZENS, we're only getting what we deserve. BS.
Posted by Joanna on October 25, 2007 08:53 AMThe 'liberal media' is always wrong and Fox News never does anything wrong.
Posted by Bear on October 25, 2007 08:57 AMRush is just the republicans version of Michael Moore. He rarely deals in facts and when he does he tries to spin them into his narrow version of reality. H is a coward that hides behind his money to cover his doped up ass, or carries viagra for a friend. Now
some will say anyone has a right to defend themselves in court. I agree with that. I don't know of many who wants to LOCK them up and throw away the key like RUSH did BEFORE he got POPPED.
He is the poster boy for the do as I say not as I do crowed.
While I am not really a fan of Moore the right seems to be the ones that want to CONTROL what we see, read, grow and live our lives. They also are the ones who elected a FASCIST twice. So whine all you want about the lack of values in America. You all voted in your family values candidate and he has lied to you most of all. Some of you still defend him because it's easier then admitting you were SO WRONG. So whine all you like. Your going to get what's coming to you in 2008 and rightfully SO!
"...People need to wake up and ask yourselves do you really want moveon.org and media matters both funded by George Soros who is a radical socialist billionaire,who keeps his money safe in offshore accounts,so he doesn't have to pay taxes,running the White House.with your tax dollars for his socialist programs he's whispering in the Democrats ear?"
It's really none of our business who or what Soros supports. Now, avoiding taxes - different story. But I haven't seen any credible intel on that.
Posted by Mac on October 25, 2007 09:07 AMI dont think there are that many phony soldiers out there. It's easy enough to prove; just ask to see their DD-214. That's a discharge form, for the vast majority of you who have never served.
Posted by Mac on October 25, 2007 09:12 AMleftside,
So, despite having read the entire transcript, you come to a completely different conclusion as to Rush's words because he added an 'S' to phony soldier?
The context of the conversation was about an actual phony soldier. It was about a man who made up stories. He said nothing about any other soldier in that transcript. Any honest person would readily admit that.
All these other comments about how much they hate Mr. Limbaugh, how mean he is, how happy he is running to the bank, those are comments are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
What Harry Reid and those Democrat senators did was beyond dishonest; it was scary. Harry Reid has such a low opinion of the intelligence of the American people that he would lie about something even when the transcript was freely and widely available.
Sure enough, losers like leftside fall for the ploy and spout specious comments like the one I quoted above.
When logic, reason, and rationality are replaced with emotionalism, deception and sophistry, words lose their meaning. Words can now mean anything or nothing to liberals. This is dangerous.
Posted by John II on October 25, 2007 09:16 AMbear,You finally see the light.
Posted by Keith on October 25, 2007 09:16 AMPeople shouldn't be so mean to Rush. The man is a stitch! And he is a very, very successful entertainer. I've been listening to him for many years, and I love how he has refined his routine over time. I think people are really just angry that so many claim to take his word as gospel, but that is the audience's problem, not the entertainer's.
Posted by Mac on October 25, 2007 09:23 AMBear, Thank you for pointing out the over-generalization of my post. I do believe that the leadership of the Democratic party hates the military given the comments by Reid, Murtha, Kerry et al. The party itself is of wide diverse opinion, some of which, I do agree. My central point was that civility and debate have been replaced with name calling and diversionary tactics. But you made my point by discounting me personally. Greetings from the lunatic fringe!
Posted by Tom on October 25, 2007 09:29 AM"They also are the ones who elected a FASCIST twice."
Comments like this are disheartening to say the least. It's good to know that the roughly 125 BILLION dollars/year spent on educating our public is such a valuable investment, that the period of history(WWII) which receives the most time as subject matter for history classes in public schools cannot even provide our students with an understanding of what the air flowing out of their pieholes means. Thank you, however, for distilling the collectivist mentality into your closer "you were SO WRONG. So whine all you like. Your going to get what's coming to you in 2008 and rightfully SO! " That's about what I'd expect.
Posted by drew on October 25, 2007 09:35 AMRANGLE, REID & PELOSI PLAN $3.5 TRIL TAX HIKE!
At a bipartisan Ways and Means caucus last night, Chairman Rangel outlined his long-awaited “Mother of All Tax Hikes” legislation. The basics of the package are simple: This is the largest individual income tax increase in history.
The bill will add a 4% surtax on Americans earning more than $150,000 a year ($200,000 for couples). That is on top of the scheduled expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So, under Democrats’ plan, over the next few years, the individual income top tax rate in the United States will rise from 35% to 44%. By way of comparison, the other 29 Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development countries – basically other developed nations - have an average top marginal tax rate of 35.7%. In fact, only five OECD countries would have higher top marginal tax rates in 2011 than the United States if the Democrats’ bill is enacted.
This crushingly high tax rate will affect approximately 10 million taxpayers directly - including those who report business income, like small business owners and farmers - but the damage will ripple throughout our economy. Because small businesses and family farms often pay their income taxes as individuals, this is a massive tax hike on the engine that drives job growth in this country.
In addition, the surtax is on adjusted gross income, not taxable income. This sounds like a technical issue, but it means that Rangel’s bill will erode the value of a series of tax deductions – including for mortgage interest, charitable giving, medical expenses, state and local taxes, and the standard deduction. And, because the surtax kicks in at $150,000 for individuals and $200,000 for couples, the bill creates a monster of a marriage penalty.
Chairman Rangel will claim that these tax increases go to provide tax cuts to 90 million Americans, but he is selling pure snake-oil. Many if not most of those taxpayers are getting a purely imaginary “tax cut.” Some of them are the roughly 20 million people that Republicans shielded with the Alternative Minimum Tax patch. Millions more are people who have benefited from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, and only get “tax cuts” if you assume that the 10% bracket, marriage penalty, and $1,000 per child tax credit will expire. Others, like single people who will now be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, are getting a tax refund from the government even though they don’t actually pay income taxes.
It will take time to analyze this bill and sort through the data, but we know from the start that the 90 million figure is pure hokum. In fact, before you know it more taxpayers may wind up paying higher taxes – and fewer paying less - under Rangel’s plan than they did last year.
Which brings us to the larger fallacy of the Democrats’ “paygo” system. There is no need to “pay for” protecting taxpayers from a massive AMT tax hike. The government never meant for the AMT to affect middle-class Americans, and we have a responsibility to make sure it doesn’t. By arguing that preventing this tax increase requires us to raise taxes elsewhere, Democrats are trying to lock Congress into a system where we are guaranteed to raise taxes by $3.5 trillion over ten years.
That’s right. $3.5 trillion. The baseline that the Democrats are using for “paygo” includes revenue from an “un-patched” AMT and from the tax increases that occur when the 2001 and 2003 tax laws expire after 2010. Together they total $3.5 trillion over ten years. If we play by the Democrats “paygo” rules, that is the size of the tax increase we are imposing on the American people. That will hurt our nation’s competitiveness and cost us American jobs. The Rangel bill is the first step down a road none of us want to follow, and I urge you to oppose it strongly.
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R-E-C-E-S-S-I-O-N!
"The context of the conversation was about an actual phony soldier. It was about a man who made up stories. He said nothing about any other soldier in that transcript. Any honest person would readily admit that."
Limbaugh didn't even mention "a man who made up stories" until a full two minutes after he spouted off about phony soldiers. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference.
Mac
Soros has nothing to do with Media Matters. It's been proven. However Rupert Murdoch owns a monapoly of the heavily dominated conservative media and he is pushing it.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 09:54 AMHank
Thanks for the cut and paste conservative spin.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 09:58 AMJohn II,
Yes, that's correct and if you read my other posts you would know that I would have that same distrust if Michael Moore said something similar.
The problem with conservatives, such as yourself, is that you see no middle. Your one track minded and actually, I see you more in the light of a Loyalist than con or lib.
Posted by leftside on October 25, 2007 10:01 AMLeftside,
Yes, Limbaugh used the word “soldiers” because he was talking about the fact that the media gravitates to “phony soldiers” like Jesse Macbeth AND phony soldiers like Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp who wrote fabricated stories for the New Republic magazine about atrocities he said were committed by members of the U.S. military.
Can you find a quote from Limbaugh in which he called all soldiers against the war in Iraq as “phony soldiers”?
If you are suspicious that Limbaugh is critical of any soldier against the war and that he was referring to all of them when he used the term “soldiers” then surely you are upset with Hillary Clinton when she used flowery language to call General David Petraeus a liar. Essentially, she was calling the general a phony soldier, wasn’t she? The Democrats and others on the left said nothing about that. NOTHING. There was no letter from Harry Reid about her disrespect for a real soldier.
You must also be outraged at Senator John Murtha for calling U.S. Marines murders that killed in cold blood. The Democrats and others on the left said nothing about that. NOTHING. There was no letter from Harry Reid about his disrespect for real soldiers.
For years we have heard people on the political left make outlandishly rude comments toward the military.
"Real freedom will come when [U.S.] soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors." -- Warren County Community College adjunct English professor, John Daly
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." – Democrat John Kerry
Kerry tried to make people believe that he had screwed up a joke. Okay, so where’s the joke? What could possibly be funny about what he said?
"...This NBC report is just an ugly reminder of the price we pay for a mercenary - oops sorry, volunteer - force that thinks it is doing the dirty work." -- Liberal Washington Post blogger, William Arkin
"Do our government's poorly paid contract killers deserve our 'support' for blindly following orders?" – Liberal commentator Ted Rall
"If a young fella has an option of having a decent career or joining the army to fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq." – Democrat Charles Rangel
Most on the left view members of the military as a bunch of uneducated robots or they view them as victims who were duped into going off to combat. Either way, they look down their noses at the military. So, it’s pretty rich for the left to try distorting what Limbaugh said in order to make it sound like he looked down his nose at the military.
GK,
"Soros has nothing to do with Media Matters. It's been proven"
Lets see if we can use Kevin Bacon's six step process. Hillary Clinton admitted she help establish MediaMatter. Hillary Clinton is own by George Soros, Wow I only needed two steps. I bet you could also prove Soros has nothing to do with Moveon.org.
Posted by jgd777 on October 25, 2007 10:30 AMMountain Cat,
So what your saying is that Kerry stood before millions of people and called our military personel stupid or uneducated? Further, you have no doubt that he wasn't referring to Bush?
GK,
“Limbaugh didn't even mention "a man who made up stories" until a full two minutes after he spouted off about phony soldiers. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference.”
What a silly argument. Since when is there a time limit in which a person must tell you what they meant? And when he did mention a man who made up stories, he never said anything about anyone else, did he?
How do you jump to the conclusion that Limbaugh was talking about anyone else besides actual phony soldiers? Because he took a full two minutes to clarify the issue? And since he didn’t clarify the issue for two minutes then you can clairvoyantly determine what his thought really were and that they are contrary to what he said?
GK,
“Limbaugh didn't even mention "a man who made up stories" until a full two minutes after he spouted off about phony soldiers. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference.”
What a silly argument. Since when is there a time limit in which a person must tell you what they meant? And when he did mention a man who made up stories, he never said anything about anyone else, did he?
How do you jump to the conclusion that Limbaugh was talking about anyone else besides actual phony soldiers? Because he took a full two minutes to clarify the issue? And since he didn’t clarify the issue for two minutes then you can clairvoyantly determine what his thought really were and that they are contrary to what he said?
Drew, You post is LAME and if you don't like W being call a FASCIST Why don't you tell me what he is? Also I know about WW2 I studied it and my father was in it. So don't give me your I'M shocked drivel. You clowns always think that the left is all kids that don't know any better.
W has ignored our laws, had an AG of the US try to convince the courts that basic human rights that can be traced back hundreds don't apply because he(W) says they don't. And that he is free to ignore any of OUR laws that he disagrees with.
You guys also IGNORED our problems while you played out your RULE of LAW crapola with Clinton. But you can give W a pass because he is a Republican. Let me clue you in. What W has done is far worse then getting a BJ and lying about it. You all said Clinton has disgraced the office the US President. W has made this country a laughingstock in the eyes of the world.
I know that outing a CIA agent in retaliation for what her husband said is not something I want our government doing. And it's even made worse by the FACT that what Joe Wilson said WAS TRUE! But lets not let the facts get in way of your dogma.
When you help big business have more say in government then the PEOPLE do you are a FASCIST. Look it up! I could go on a lot more about History but you have already proved that to be a lost cause. But here is one little WW2 fact for you. Hitler used the German peoples faith to help him control them. That is where the FAUER or FATHER came from. Notice any thing about your family values boy now? I am sure you don't. So drop your dogma or find another you can try to convince.
The problem the left has with Limbaugh is, what he says makes far more sense then anything the left has to offer. He points out the absurdity, "against" common sense and outright wrong logic and statements of the left on a daily basis and they can't take it.
The left boasts on a daily basis about how the current administration is supposedly violating free speech, yet they are constantly trying to pull commentators on the right off the air.
The "Do as I say not as I do" mentality of the left doesn't fly.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 10:50 AMCommon sense is a collection of a person's bias and prejudice and therefore there can never be a lack of it; therefore, Ron Perkins' tirade lacks "common sense" since his allegation is predicated upon bias and prejudice so abundant in humanity.
Deicide Corner: “Religion is a means of exploitation employed by the strong against the weak; religion is a cloak of ambition, injustice and vice . . . . Truth breaks free, science is popularized, and religion totters; soon it will fall, in the course of centuries--that is, tomorrow. . . . In good time we shall only have to deal with reason.” -- Georges Bizet
Posted by Richard Grimes, Deicide r22037@yahoo.com on October 25, 2007 10:51 AMYour letter is right on target, Mr. Perkins. The Harry Reid letter is nothing less than a statement of contempt for Mr. Limbaugh and the men and women serving our nation in time of war.
Posted by Brian Stuckey on October 25, 2007 10:52 AMRight - Left, Black - White, who freakin' cares!?!
Limbaugh is a right-wing mouthpiece who hides behind an 'entertainer' status every time he gets in trouble. At least when Colbert says something, we know he's not serious... oh, wait, recent polls claim that some right-wingers think Colbert is the real thing... nevermind.
Anyway, why is anyone still listening to this stooge? He stopped being relevant before he even opened his mouth. Paying attention to him only gives him power. Dismiss him like the ranting lunatic he is.
Posted by Roger on October 25, 2007 10:54 AMjorge bush is the best president ever.
Posted by rick on October 25, 2007 10:55 AM"So drop your dogma or find another you can try to convince. "
Are you a Christian?
Posted by on October 25, 2007 11:03 AMLeftside,
Yes, I AM say that Kerry “stood before millions of people and called our military personel stupid or uneducated?” What would be so new about that from John Kerry?
“Further, you have no doubt that he wasn't referring to Bush?”
First of all, I’m not one of the people who claim to be able to read minds and that I know what someone was thinking. But yes, I have doubts that Kerry was referring to Bush since he didn’t say so until he got a ration of criticism for disrespecting the military. I am not saying that I know what Kerry meant, but at least Limbaugh did make it clear who he was referring to during the context of a conversation he was having with a caller. He didn’t wait until being chastised for it. What’s more is that Limbaugh didn’t change his story as it appears Kerry did.
Kerry gets a pass for taking a few days to attempt to put out the fire he started with his comments. Yet, since Limbaugh took two minutes (WOW - two full minutes!!) to state his thoughts to some that means he was talking about something other than what he said he was talking about.
Rush
Isn't he the fat guy who went deaf because of too much oxicontin? Yeah right, I'm gonna seriously listen to him about anything.
Mountain Cat,
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
"So drop your dogma or find another you can try to convince. "
Are you a Christian?
I don't claim to be a Christian, but don't take that to mean I don't understand the belief in something outside yourself. And before you ask YES I HAVE read and studied the Bible. The biggest problem with those of you that THUMP is you read it and what it to follow your belief system. And you never try to understand just who Christ REALLY was. If you did you would understand that if Christ were
here today he would not think much of W either! As he said when he drove the money changers out of the temple! " Oh you brood of vipers" You have taken my Fathers house and turned into a den thieves" and W and Dicky are two of the biggest crooks of all time.
hank I agree we need to oppose that tax bill and all tax bills. Bush has showed the way for all americans to avoid tax increases, simply keep borrowing as he is doing on the war. Borrow trillions and more trillions. I dont care how much debt he causes as long as I aint the one paying it. I say we need another tax decrease and simply increase the amount we are borrowing. Makes perfect sense to me.
Posted by Keith on October 25, 2007 11:49 AMMountain Cat
"How do you jump to the conclusion that Limbaugh was talking about anyone else besides actual phony soldiers? Because he took a full two minutes to clarify the issue? And since he didn’t clarify the issue for two minutes then you can clairvoyantly determine what his thought really were and that they are contrary to what he said?"
What a silly little argument. it took him two minutes to realize he screwed up and back tracked to cover his behind and, btw if he supposedly did mean what you say, you can "clairvoiantly determine what his thoughts really were?"
jd777
"Lets see if we can use Kevin Bacon's six step process. Hillary Clinton admitted she help establish MediaMatter. Hillary Clinton is own by George Soros, Wow I only needed two steps. I bet you could also prove Soros has nothing to do with Moveon.org."
That makes no sense what-so-ever.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 11:50 AMXgen,
Your comments regarding Rush Limbaugh are irrelevant to the conversation.
It does not matter what you think of Rush Limbaugh as a man. The point is that regardless of your opinion of Mr. Limbaugh in general, Harry Reid lied and wasted time on the senate floor attacking a private citizen. Does that bother you? Does it bother you that Harry Reid thinks you are morons that can be lied to with ease?
Posted by John II on October 25, 2007 11:50 AMWow, Bluesone, you operate on a lot of stereotypes, don't you? Ah well, I guess they are a real time saver. I'd love to hear your logic behind any of the statements in your last couple of posts, if it is even possible to logically justify those wild assumptions that seem to be tied to specific keywords in your mind. The reasons/s that led me to ask that question are a) it seems to get under the skin of members of the secular religion, which usually leads to some humorous responses b) I'm trying to understand the motivations of the kind of person who posts on an Internet forum with the desire to "convince" or "convert" nonbelievers to their position. I don't really understand why anyone would write here other than an enjoyment of writing and a few good laughs at the "ideas" of many posters. Despite what your preconceived notions might tell you, I belong to neither the Christian nor secularist religion and I happen to find the blind faith of both groups in their own righteousness to be laughable. I don't see any reason to try and convince people of my interpretation of a book ( one that I think would have been forgotten thousands of years ago in many alternative histories) by using select, out-of-context quotes. Isn't it about time for your TV to send you secret messages about how simplistic the world is, and all we need now for Utopia is to get rid of Cheney and Bush, the two men responsible for every bad thing to have occurred in the last few years? Or did you remember your Thorazine today?
Posted by on October 25, 2007 11:51 AMBrian Stuckley. Do You really equate attacking Rush Limbaugh as attackling the Troops?!!!?!?!!?!?!?!? So I guess supporting Rush means you support drug abuse? Another brilliant republican mind wasted by the use of oxycontin
Posted by on October 25, 2007 11:54 AMJohnII
"The point is that regardless of your opinion of Mr. Limbaugh in general, Harry Reid lied and wasted time on the senate floor attacking a private citizen. Does that bother you? Does it bother you that Harry Reid thinks you are morons that can be lied to with ease?"
Only problem with that is that Reid never lied. The only morons are the ones who listen to his blather and buy it.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 11:56 AMI guess I'm a "phony soldier" myself.
I DO NOT support the war in Iraq, even though I served two tours there in 2004 and 2005.
Also, if given a chance to talk to media, I would LOVE to tell people what is really going on over there. Terrorists are threatening farmers, forcing them to fire mortars at our bases. And when a farmer gets shot by our troops, the terrorists still kill the poor guy's family and burn his house to the ground.
This is why it seems like there's a never-ending supply of insane, suicide-mission insurgents. The real bad guys are behind the scenes, safe and sound.
Signed,
A Retired Air Force Master Sergeant
Posted by Tree Hugger on October 25, 2007 12:08 PMGK,
"Soros has nothing to do with Media Matters. It's been proven"
MediaMatter was started and backed by one of his employees, Hillary Clinton. And you said Soros has nothing to to with MediaMatter. Give me a break!
Posted by jgd777 on October 25, 2007 12:56 PMDrew - please define fascist for us again will you? - you've used that term before but I believe that you do not know what it means.
Define it Drew otherwise your just another moveon.org idiot
Posted by on October 25, 2007 12:59 PMHere, I'll help you out Fascist, one who believes in Fascism.
fas·cism Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm]
–noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–4
Sounds like the government Hillary wants to implement. Only she's changed the name to Progressivism...
Posted by on October 25, 2007 01:16 PM12:59 If you want a pet to jump through hoops, buy a seal. Instead of leaping at your sophomoric taunt, I'll give you the thesaurus' entry and let you work it out, if YOU'RE up to it.
Main Entry: fascist
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: dictator
Synonyms: authoritarian, autocrat, Nazi, totalitarian, tyrant
Have fun
Posted by drew on October 25, 2007 01:18 PMHere's an interesting link, one that might provide some insight for all the partisan hacks on this board
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007
Some Red/Blue Divide...ha
Posted by drew on October 25, 2007 01:22 PMI would like to know why our senators take time out to condem a private citizen or organization, wether moveon.org or Rush Limbaugh, when they paractice their given constitutional rights (wait could it be their not illegal aliens, who some how seem to have more rights than a citizen of this country.). The senators have said far worse things about the troops and generals then act shocked and angered when a private individual or organization does this. They should first condem themselves.
Posted by SCO on October 25, 2007 01:24 PMHey, Xgen, I think you're referring to the drug-addled homeless person I saw at the bus stop today. He mumbled something about soldier and phony....or was it "phone"? and was going to his job at the radio station.
I am outraged at what he said. I wish someone would write a letter to the editor defending him. Oh wait, someone already did?
Posted by AAcounselor on October 25, 2007 01:24 PMSCO..finally a voice of reason! Someone is finally making sense!
Posted by on October 25, 2007 01:28 PMDrew, you did JUMP by answering his question.
Here's a sardine, now back in the pool.....
Posted by on October 25, 2007 01:37 PMjgd777
"MediaMatter was started and backed by one of his employees, Hillary Clinton. And you said Soros has nothing to to with MediaMatter. Give me a break!"
Where's your proof to back up that wild accusation?
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 01:44 PMThe reason "Phoney Americans[Democrats]" are after Rush is because they can't control him.As most people know by now the Democrats control the mainstream media.In fact,The head of the National Rifle Association,Wayne LaPierre said in a recent article that if the Democrats take the Presidency,House and Senate they will try to close talk radio.Mr. LaPierre said that the mainstream media blocked his message on the gun issue but talk radio would allow him to get the truth out to the public.I myself could also call talk radio and tell the truth about the gun issue while the Democrats and their media sock puppets were feeding lies to the public.The gun issue is not the only issue Democrats and their media friends lie about but it is one that I have followed for 19 years and documented over and over again.If you want to keep this country free support talk radio.Listen to Rush,Sean and Mark levin.Also the NRA is fighting to keep the Democrats from closing talk radio and protecting our gun rights.Help fight the "Phoney Americans [Democrats]".Join the NRA 1-877-NRA-2000.The definition of "Phoney American" is "one who claims that they are an American but support the terrorists and one who claims they support the Constitution but only supports the parts that will help the terrorists".The reason I put this definition in is because the Phoney Americans will say I called all Americans "Phoney Americans."
Posted by An American on October 25, 2007 01:47 PMWhy have you folks on the right become so comfortable with your hypocrisy?
Where was all this anger when the Rubs were wasting Congress's time by attacking Moveon.org for pointing out (clumsily I admit) the country's majority sentiment about Petraeus's testimony?
Posted by jay on October 25, 2007 01:51 PMHe didn't screw up! That’s the entire point of the conversation!!
I know what he said and it wasn't even close to what you are trying to advance.
Can you actually answer my questions? Maybe you forgot them. Here they are again:
Since when is there a time limit in which a person must tell you what they meant?
And when he did mention a man who made up stories, he never said anything about anyone else, did he?
How do you jump to the conclusion that Limbaugh was talking about anyone else besides actual phony soldiers?
Because he took a full two minutes to clarify the issue?
At this point it's obvious that you have no desire to concede the truth, but rather simply are trying to win an argument by get out your hair-brained talking points.
I'm disturbed that the media itself is so much in the news these days. From Limbaugh to Coulter, it seems the media has become obsessed with itself.
I could care less about Limbaugh, Maher, Franken, Coulter, etc..... they are self-aggrandizing mouthpieces who make money off the sheep who listen to them. It's quite humorous, in fact.
What I DO care about though is the rest of the media dissecting their every word, despite the fact they have NEVER said anything of actual relevance, importance, or intellectual value. There are VASTLY more important things to cover than self-annointed celebrity jerkoffs with tremendous egos.
So Rush Limbaugh calls someone a "phony soldier". So what? Who cares? We all know what Rush thinks about the military since he dodged service for a lump in his butt. Limbaugh is woefully unqualified to speak sbout ANYTHING regarding our military or patriotic duty. He's a sham, and the media should stop giving him the misguided attention.
Posted by Dan on October 25, 2007 02:07 PMAccording to the NRA one of Geroge Soros main projects is to ban US citizens from owning firearms and he has at least 7 billion dollars to reach his goal.Join the NRA .1-877-NRA-2000.
Posted by An American on October 25, 2007 02:20 PMRepublicans shoulde get used to being in the hinterlands. Rush, Ann, and Michelle have become the face of your party.
The ugly face of hate.
Posted by rick on October 25, 2007 02:20 PMI guess Jay can't understand the difference between "quoting" MoveOn.org or lying about what Rush said.That is probably why Jay is a Democrat because he can't reason.Also the Democrats are talking about "closing" talk radio by using government red tape.The Republicans have not been talking about using government red tape to close MoveO.org.Jay I hope you will lean how to reason when you grow up.Until then you will be a "Phoney American[Democrat]".
Posted by An American on October 25, 2007 02:33 PMAccording to the NRA:
"Gun owners nationwide are applauding the patriotic, though accidental, exercise of Second Amendment rights by 8-year-old Timothy Cummings Tuesday.
"Timothy is a symbol of American heroism," said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre from Cummings' bedside at Norfolk General Hospital, where the boy is in serious but stable condition from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. "While praying for his recovery, we should all thank God that his inalienable right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed."
The incident occurred shortly after Cummings returned from school and found that his parents were absent from the house. Displaying what Second Amendment-rights groups are calling "good old-fashioned American ingenuity," Cummings placed a pair of phone books on a stool to retrieve his father's loaded .38-caliber revolver from its hiding place on a closet shelf. After a preliminary backyard investigation of his constitutional rights claimed the life of Pepper, the family's cocker spaniel, Cummings fell on the weapon, causing it to discharge into his left thigh.
"The framers of the Constitution would be so proud of what my boy did yesterday," said Cummings' father Randall, 44, who originally purchased the handgun for home defense. "If 8-year-old boys discharging loaded firearms into their own legs isn't necessary to the maintenance of a well-regulated militia, I don't know what is."
Doctors worked for six hours to reconstruct Timothy Cummings' femur, which shattered from the impact of the high-velocity teflon-coated slugs, and to graft his remaining muscular and circulatory tissue over the fist-sized exit wound below his left buttock. Although the boy lost a great deal of blood, attending physicians say they are confident that he will recover sufficiently to resume active use of firearms, though his chances of walking again are slim.
"For years, the people who want to take away our freedoms have said that we're not smart enough or responsible enough to own handguns," Randall added. "Timothy is proof that even a child is capable of using a handgun for its intended purpose."
Gun owners nationwide have flooded Cummings' hospital room with flowers, letters of congratulations and invitations to "come shooting." Area firearms enthusiast and family friend Lloyd Stone showed his support by donating 18 inches of vascular material to help rebuild Cummings' left femoral artery.
"He may be just a boy, but this use of the Second Amendment was a man-sized undertaking," Stone said. "Timothy may need a wheelchair for the rest of his life, but with every step he doesn't take, he'll realize what the Constitution really means."
Although Cummings has yet to deliver an official statement on the incident, he regained consciousness long enough to discuss his immediate plans.
"Please, I want to run and play again," Cummings told doctors Tuesday night. "My leg hurts bad. Please make it stop."
Although gun-control advocates have criticized the boy's gun use, the NRA was quick to respond, calling Cummings' use of much-protested, teflon-coated "cop-killer" bullets "a victory for America."
"Timothy should be held up as an example to people who think we don't need these bullets—or fully automatic assault weapons, or concealable handguns which are impervious to metal detectors, for that matter," said NRA president Charlton Heston, who plans to congratulate Cummings in person as soon as he is through lobbying for Senate repeal of recently passed legislation mandating background checks for gun buyers.
"If we ban teflon-coated bullets, automatic weapons would be next," Heston said. "Then all handguns. Next thing you know, the law would deny our citizens' children the personal freedom to blow holes through their own legs."
NRA lobbyist Tom Korologos agreed. "Timothy's heroic accident happened because we live in the greatest country in the world," he said. "Had he grown up in Japan, England or Russia, he wouldn't be where he is today."
"Restrictive laws would have kept him 'safe' at home—and they would have justified it by telling us it was for his own good," Korologos added. "That's not the type of country I'd want my children to grow up walking normally in."
"Timothy is a shining example to gun-owning families everywhere," Cummings' mother Suzanne told reporters. "I am proud that my boy has followed in the footsteps of the many thousands of patriotic children who have already demonstrated their commitment of the U.S. Constitution in this same way."
2:37PM,
That can't really be you, "An American".... you used complete sentences, and there were no comments about eating possum and bedding your sister.
Limbaugh is a worthless pile of dogshit, as are his followers.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 02:52 PMTo 2:37's addition...
Wow someone knows how to cut and paste a piece from The Onion. How original. It appears someone else attended "The Joe Biden School of Plagiarism".
Posted by on October 25, 2007 02:54 PMIt's not An American.
Because "LaPierre" would have been replaced with "that not so French guy, and a hell of a patriot"
and "family's cocker spaniel" would have been replaced with that "coward democrat"
and "NRA lobbyist Tom Korologos" would have been that "coward lobbyist, but a hell of a patriot".
Posted by editor on October 25, 2007 02:54 PMThe Onion is a communist/socialist rag, and anyone who reads it, cites it, or writes its name is a coward.
uh...
Posted by NYtimes on October 25, 2007 02:59 PMAn American.....so you see a difference between the Rubs wasting congress's time on moveon and the dems wasting congress's time on Rush?
Posted by jay on October 25, 2007 03:37 PMGK,
My post from Oct. 25 at 02:04 PM was directed toward you.
Leftside,
"Amazing, absolutely amazing."
Is that what you consider a strong rebuttal?
Oh, I get it...you don't have a rebuttal.
Nice talking with you!
This sums up all these Limbaugh apologisits perfectly:
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.
The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 04:43 PMMountain Cat, here's your answers
"He didn't screw up! That’s the entire point of the conversation!!"
He did screw up and that's the point of the conversation.
"I know what he said and it wasn't even close to what you are trying to advance."
My sentiments exactly.
"Can you actually answer my questions? Maybe you forgot them. Here they are again:"
Be happy to since you can't seem to comprehend what I posted before.
"Since when is there a time limit in which a person must tell you what they meant?"
There isn't. Didn't say there was.
"And when he did mention a man who made up stories, he never said anything about anyone else, did he?"
Yes he did, he talked about "phony soldiers" first.
"How do you jump to the conclusion that Limbaugh was talking about anyone else besides actual phony soldiers?"
I'm not jumping to conclusions but you sure are.
"Because he took a full two minutes to clarify the issue?"
No because he waited a full two minutes before he realized he stuck his foot in his mouth AGAIN, then he backtracked.
"At this point it's obvious that you have no desire to concede the truth, but rather simply are trying to win an argument by get out your hair-brained talking points."
Feelings mutual.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 04:55 PMGk,
Most of the programs you talked about regarding Joe and his life were done by the Democrats before they were taken over and bought off, by the far left socialist. There are still a few free thinking liberal Democrats, but that number is shrinking every year. That is a real shame the Democrats use to be the party for the people, now it is simply the party for power. They are willing to sell their souls for that power and it has nothing to do about working for the people. That is truly sad.
Posted by jgd777 on October 25, 2007 05:14 PMForgot to post my name at 12:59, that was me.
Drew you say that our current president is a fascist - how in the world did you ever come to that conclusion?
Thanks to the poster at 1:16 for showing exactly what the Democrats have in store for us if they win next year.
Resumption of the "fairness doctrine"
Taking what they consider "Excess profits" and giving them to the government
Raising taxes on us all to resume their socialist agendas
Ignoring the social security disaster until it is too late - then they'll just extend the retirement age to 80 and raise the social security taxes to 20% (10% employee/10% employer) from the 12.4% total (6.2 each)
Creating new taxes to save us from global warming
Creating new laws to save us from ourselves -
all of these seem to align with the fascism you speak of. Think before you type Drew as you look like a boob with statements like that when it is your party preference that is leaning towards fascism.
Jay, very good point - our representatives do not represent us anymore - they represent themselves to get re-elected. It would be nice to throw all of them out and start fresh.
Drew you then go on to slam the "partisan hacks" of which you belong to. Obviously I do as well, more and more every day, especially after reading your constant "enlightened" drivel.
GK says:
"Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards."
No. Joe has a water filter installed on his faucet and/or also has bottled water in his fridge.
The water, filter, bottled water and fridge all the result of capitalism.
GK says:
"His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised."
No. The very pharmaceutical industry that liberals love to hate created this medication in order to make a profit. Government interfered with the testing of the new medication so Joe had to wait an extra two years before being able to buy it. Also, because of government interference, he has to pay 30% more than he should have.
Capitalism created the medication and the means for Joe to buy it.
GK says:
"All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too."
No. Joe is getting laid off because his employer cannot afford high union labor costs. Fortunately, there are plenty of other job opportunities out there for Joe. Thanks capitalism.
GK says:
"He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry."
No. The industry regulates itself (companies do not like recalls or lawsuits). The price of bacon and eggs is higher because of government interference. Joe appreciates capitalism for providing him with a good breakfast.
GK says:
"In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained."
No. Joe doesn't read the contents of the shampoo bottle. He does, however, pay more for the shampoo than he should have to because of government interference.
Joe appreciates that capitalism provides him with shampoo.
GK says:
"Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air."
No. Joe is mad because he works for a union in a factory and strict EPA regulations are causing layoffs at his company.
GK says:
"If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune."
No. Joe is mad because worker's compensation reduces his paycheck. Joe would much rather purchase insurance himself.
GK says:
"He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor."
No. Joe decided to live closer to his place of employment. He also wishes his taxes were reduced so he didn't have to subsidize someone else's long commute because they chose to live 30 miles from their jobs.
GK says:
"Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union."
No. Joe is worried because his employer had to layoff union workers because of their high labor cost. Also, even though he is happy working for his employer, the labor union is talking of striking. He fears for his life if he decides to cross the line.
GK says:
"Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university."
No. Joe never went to college. That's why he works in a union. College tuitions kept rising because the government was willing to subsidize it. Also, he hated politically correct nature of the state university.
"Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads."
No. Joe appreciates that his truck was built by an industry with so much competition that each manufacturer works to make their cars safer each year. He does hate paying the Democrats gasoline tax every time he has to fill up his truck.
GK says:
"He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to."
No. Joe is furious that his paycheck is reduced in order to pay for other people's retirement. He would much rather have that money to fund his own retirement account and help take of his own father directly.
Joe is a proud man who does not want a government nanny interfering with every facet of his life. Joe also wonders how the federal government became so powerful when the Constitution clearly does not authorize this power. Joe does own an AR-15 and is waiting for the day when he confronts this nanny government.
Posted by John II on October 25, 2007 06:11 PMAs a lifelong conservative, I first heard Rush's name in conjunction with his TV show. I was determined to hate him. Didn't know anything about him from first hand experience but had seen and heard clips on news programs and from other sources. His show canceled two late night TV shows I enjoyed very much. I had spent the better part of two years in rehab for a major accident at work and late night TV was one thing I enjoyed, especially the show Atterly.
Rush's show ended that. I refused to watch at first. One night I fell asleep with the TV on and woke up to his show. I couldn't believe it. It had to be a Saturday Night Live re-run. I watched for several nights and decided I liked it.
I didn't hear Rush's radio show until much later. I didn't live in a area where the local station carrying his show came in clearly. (This was before KOA got the show.)
I found Rush to be a someone who said what I think and have thought since I was in high school. Many think he is giving orders but he is actually giving voice to those who feel and believe as he does. That is his success.
Many hate Rush. Some hate his views. Others hate his success. Those haters are determined to silence him. Rush was the beginning of talk radio as it exists today. His statements on the power of the main stream media then and now are accurate.
Rush's admission of addiction to prescription drugs was greeted with joy by his enemies. Other public icons can admit addiction and it is old news before the ink dries. Rush never tried to take the easy road on this issue. If you can get a copy of the Limbaugh Letter (15th anniversary edition) he discusses this. Liberal attack manual states that Rush's addiction must be mentioned within the first paragraph of any mention of him.
I posted the actual transcript of the discussion because I was listening the day the statements were made. I clearly understood his meaning to be a condemnation of those who pretend to be veterans in order to profit personally. The first time I heard of such was years before the Iraq war. The purpose then was to work the system for gimmies and handouts. Today they gain fame and fortune and are treated as modern Caesars. The mention of the Rush show was a few days after a network news story on this particular man aired. Other stories about people claiming to be "veterans" who ended up not being anything of the sort have come out previously. Rush said what he did and there was one person mentioned and the discussion around the name clearly defined that person as the target. The other target was not other soldiers but those who will take any negative statement about our troops or the military as absolute truth. That shows in the reaction to this incident. The liberal politicians went into attack mode. Hey, it always worked before, to make the target either shut up or back up. Rush didn't do either and perhaps the best thing to come out of this is the lesson taught. The major media outlets lined up on the liberal line here. All the usual suspects attacked. Rush should have folded up like a McDonalds' napkin. Instead, he repeated his words. At the time this transcript was posted, no comments had been made. No one has come up with a change in the transcript from that night to today. Either Rush is physic and knew he needed to edit words both in the written and audio transcripts (not to mention the fact that his IPOD downloads are set up to be automatic as soon as they are posted, about two hours after the show ends. Accusations on what he actually meant are based on wishful thinking not critical analysis.
End result is that the Senate leader, Harry Reid, and 41 Democratic Senators signed a letter trying to cause trouble for Rush. They probably expected the letter to lie in some dusty file or even cause a phone call or letter from Clear Channel warning Rush to back off. Bad plan. Worse results. Ten times the number of listeners to either the news or Rush heard about how the left supported the lies of the phony soldier. They also saw how the story was distorted and pushed and made that famous mountainous molehill. Then, with an impeccable sense of timing and theater, Rush put the letter up for sale on E-Bay declaring his intention to match the final bid. E-Bay computers crashed in the final minutes of the auction. Harry Reid tried to grab some of the credit for himself. Rush won.
That alone is enough for many posters here. On both sides.
Rush says what he thinks and what he believes. He doesn't rely on polls, advisers or managers. That is his major crime. He says what conservatives think. He is an amplifier of opinions. What is necessary to understand is that those who are conservative found in Rush a successful means of making their opinions public. No one expected him to become popular. No one expected him to succeed in any way. That he did both should be instructive.
Rush will remain popular and powerful until such time as the major media reports news fairly. Until the leftward bias is a thing of the past, Rush will be the most powerful conservative voice in America. He will also enjoy every minute of it.
After being an entertainer for years, Rush should have known not to put certain words even close to each other in a sentence.
Before all this a few soldiers from Iraq criticized the war, some have been killed since then, and many people called them made up or phony soldiers.
I actually think rush got hit with the backlash from that episode.
John II someone should tell your mythical Joe, and remember the movie by that name?, that the government always has one more gun than the individual citizen.
The happy Joe in the letter will probably live a long healthy life, your Joe will have a coronary soon.
Posted by Sharon B. on October 25, 2007 07:17 PM"...Joe has a water filter installed on his faucet and/or also has bottled water..."
Why? Is Joe stupid? America has the best tap water in the world.
Posted by Mac on October 25, 2007 07:21 PMThis thread is HILARIOUS! Encore! Encore!
Posted by Mac on October 25, 2007 07:23 PMjdg777
What's sad in what you posted is that for every word Democratic should be replaced with the word Republican, oh and facist.
JohnII
Thanks, you proved my point. You are such a Republican.
Posted by GK on October 25, 2007 07:48 PMGK,
I use to be a very strong Democrat, you remember, back when JFK was trying to actually improve this country. As the years went by the Democrat party was slowly being taken over by the far left crazies. During the Carter Presidency, I opened by eyes to what was happening, today I am a independent and a free thinker.
I may get upset at some of the stupid things the Republicans are doing, but this socialist movement by the Democrats scares the hell out of me. I am too damn old to be concerned about myself, but I have children and grandchildren. There is no way in hell I am going to just sit back and watch the Democrats take them into some kind of socialist society. This BS of buying votes with other people's tax money is not the American way. At least not the America I was born and raised in.
Posted by jgd777 on October 25, 2007 08:13 PMSo jg...what did you like about the dem party before you left and what "stupid things" would you say the Republicans are doing?
Posted by jay on October 25, 2007 11:08 PMYou want a list of the stupid things the Republicans are doing?
Well at least I don't feel so bad for overlong posts now. The answer to that one will blow my record clear out.
Posted by momma y on October 26, 2007 02:34 AMLove this cartoon.
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/lois-limbaugh.jpg
Posted by GK on October 26, 2007 05:14 AM
jgd777
Bush created more government in his first four years than Clinton did in his entire eight years.
Posted by GK on October 26, 2007 06:04 AMI used to be a Republican but then I opened my eyes to the corruption and total disregard for the constitution and disrespect for the people of the United States so I fell to my knees and begged forgiveness from the Lord for being so blind and stupid. And God forgave me and said to go forth and fight against the evil that spews from George Bush and the Republican Party. I have seen the light! Amen!!!! Praise god!!!!!1
Posted by Saved on October 26, 2007 07:07 AMI used to be a Republican but then I opened my eyes to the corruption and total disregard for the constitution and disrespect for the people of the United States so I fell to my knees and begged forgiveness from the Lord for being so blind and stupid. And God forgave me and said to go forth and fight against the evil that spews from George Bush and the Republican Party. I have seen the light! Amen!!!! Praise god!!!!!1
Posted by Saved on October 26, 2007 07:07 AMJay,
I liked the idea of JFk willing to risk war with Russia, instead of hiding in a corner shaking from fear. He believed in negotiating from strength and not this wimpy stance the Democrats are taking now.
They (JFK and Bobby) went after the corrupt unions, and stood up for the African American's rights.
Most importantly he stood in front of the country and said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" Something today's Democrats have changed to "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what can your country do for you"
My country can stay the hell out of my wallet. If the Dems want to buy votes, they can use their own damn money.
As for the Republicans they are making some mistakes, one is when Bush backed this Amnesty bill, however the rest of the republicans help set him straight. The war in Iraq has been mishandled in some ways, but the ultimate goal of a stable Iraq will offset those mistakes. The biggest mistake currently being made by the Republicans are not doing a sufficient job of informing the American people of what is going on in the country.
There is a serious battle currently taking place in this country, we can either choose a socialist society or a democracy. I will take Democracy and will fight the Dems everytime they come up with another socialist program.
GK,
A few posts back you wrote: “btw if he supposedly did mean what you say, you can "clairvoyantly determine what his thoughts really were?"
I know what he said and Rush says what is on his mind. I’m not trying to read anything extra into his words the way you and other liberals are determined to do. You want to play out a fantasy that there is some hidden meaning in two words he used in a long conversation with someone. You think that because he used the term “phony soldiers” that he was talking about all soldiers who oppose the war when he wasn’t suggesting anything close to that.
Why are you so head-strong about advancing falsehoods about someone just because you don’t like them or their political position? What do you gain by this? Is your motto “Cheat to win?” If the truth doesn’t fit with whatever goal you have then is it a good option to lie your way into achieving that goal?
You are still basing your entire argument about Limbaugh on a total fabrication. No surprise. That is the mode of operation used in many situations by most liberals these days, so it really is no surprise that you employ the same tactics.
Oh, I know, I know. You will just come back with something to the effect that my premise about what Limbaugh said and what he actually was thinking is based on a total fabrication, and that it’s the Republicans who operate on lies and deceit. Save it. We’ve all heard that for a long time now.
If you are concerned with protecting real soldiers from criticism, how do you feel about Hillary Clinton’s comments to Gen. Petraeus when she infer that he was a phony soldier by saying he was a liar about progress in Iraq? How do you feel about John Murtha’s remarks when he called real Marines murderers who had killed in cold blood? Those Marines have been cleared of any wrong doing through the court process, but yet Murtha has yet to issue any form of an apology.
How do you feel about comments by MoveOn.org inferring that General Petraeus was betraying us and lying in his report before they had even set their eyes on the report? Somehow, they are able to determine what they think is going on in Iraq from where they are located as opposed to what he knows is going on in Iraq since he actually is living there.
You’ll have to tell us all how you can read someone’s mind the way you claim to have read Limbaugh’s mind.
Mountain Cat,
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy?
Remember when John Kerry made a joke about Bush being a moron, and Rush and other Republican morons wanted everyone to think it was a joke was about the troops?
Payback sure is a b***h, isn't it?
Posted by Tree Hugger on October 26, 2007 12:23 PM"not this wimpy stance the Democrats are taking now."
What specific policy stances do you find "wimpy"?
"As for the Republicans they are making some mistakes, one is when Bush backed this Amnesty bill, however the rest of the republicans help set him straight. The war in Iraq has been mishandled in some ways, but the ultimate goal of a stable Iraq will offset those mistakes"
First of all...a guest worker program with a path to citizenship is supported by the vast majority of americans...so don't confuse support for that with the defeat of this bill. You're in the far right minority on that one.
Secondly...you're also in the far right minority on the belief that the war in Iraq was worth it...but at least you're willing to admit that enormous strategic mistakes were made irregardless of the other facets of the issue.
". The biggest mistake currently being made by the Republicans are not doing a sufficient job of informing the American people of what is going on in the country. "
I have no idea what that means...is it code for something off my radar screen? Please elaborate.
The lack of contempt on your part for the horribly irresponsible fiscal policies and record expansion of big gov't over the last 7 years (which by the way are a 180 degree swing from true conservative financial values) is very telling. Furthermore you didn't comment on the far right wing social policies that have been a hallmark of this administration (homosexual equal rights, stem cell, global warming, failed abstinence only sex ed, faith-based initiatives, etc etc etc.) Those facts combined with your minority status on the afore-mentioned issues really betrays your weak attempt at appearing to be a centrist....especially considering your only "good thing" about the Dem policy stances of the past was JFK's hawkish nature in the early days of the Cold War.
Not very convincing...for future reference.
MC...it's a little desperate that you're carrying the water and being an apologist for ANYONE who implies that our soldiers are "phony" because of their political beliefs.
Period.
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 12:25 PMAs you can see the postings of the Democrats above show they are a real danger to freedom.One great way to fight them is to join the NRA.1-877-NRA-2000.If you are a soldier the membership is FREE!!! Pass this on to your friends.
Posted by An American on October 26, 2007 12:36 PMIt looks like Tree Hugger is admitting that the Democrats lied about Rush and Tree Hugger is a Democrat!!!!
Posted by An American on October 26, 2007 12:46 PMMountain Cat
I'll take all that gibberish as your concession speech.
Posted by GK on October 26, 2007 01:05 PMAll this over some fat guy who likes to hear himself talk, excuse me shout at all of you about how stupid you are.,,,,,Maybe he's right about that.
Posted by X Gen on October 26, 2007 08:18 PMX Gen,
It's not about "some fat guy". It's about dishonest Democrat senators slandering a private citizen for political gain.
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 08:43 PMJust as I thought. You are so entrenched in your liberal ideology that you cannot bring yourself to criticize Hillary Clinton and John Murtha for their comments that they actually made, yet you create a false portrayal of a conservative and pretend it's factual.
Just as with Leftside, you don't have a rebuttal, so you pretend that you won the argument. Enjoy yourself in the land of fairytales.
Posted by Mountain Cat on October 27, 2007 07:28 AMX Gen is too young to understand these complicated issues like freedom of speech.
Posted by An american on October 27, 2007 09:51 AMMountain Cat
Hillary and Murtha told the truth so no, there is no need for criticizing them. Limbaugh, by all means should be called on his smears. You can spin it any way you want as he did but the fact remains he smears anyone who disagrees with him.
BTW. You are such close personal friends with Limbaugh that you know what he thinks. Fat chance.
Only fairytale is yours pal.
Posted by GK on October 27, 2007 10:09 AMJay you miss the point.The issue here is not the Senate wasting time.The issue is the Senate trying to silence free speech by writing Rush's employer for the purpose of intimidating them from speaking freely.Also the Democrats lied about what Rush said.On top of all this ,the Democrats have a history of supporting legislation to close talk radio.If you do not understand the importance of the issues involved here you have no understanding of freedom or the Bill of Rights.
Posted by An American on October 27, 2007 10:11 AMjay said:
"...our soldiers are "phony"..."
How unpatriotic!
Posted by John II on October 27, 2007 11:10 AMJay,
How do I even start explaining about the Dems being "wimps"! Probably the best example I can use is the "79" Iranian incident. For over a year Iran held our hostages and they knew Carter wasn't going to do a thing about it, except talk of course. As soon as Reagan was elected, the hostages were freed. Today's terrorist threats need to be confronted with strength and not a bunch of empty words and threats that the terrorist know the Dems would never follow through with. You may trust the UN with this countries security, but I sure as hell don't.
The vast majority of this country demands a secure border before any type of guest worker program or path to citizenship is even discussed. Unlike you they understand as long as the flood of illegals continues a guest worker program or path to citizenship would be meaningless. Go back to research the entire poll and not just the points that serve you position.
As not informing the people, I think they need to do a better job in explaining to the people the benefit of a stable Iraq. They should better explain what a Islam-fascist control of the vast majority of the world's oil would mean to the people.
Concerning the additional issues that you mentioned, I can only state what I have seen with the Dems in action, each one of issue do nothing more than create a slippery slope. I will use the SCHIP program as a great example. The program itself is a good program that needs to be better supervised and fulling implemented. Instead of working on improving this program and get all of the children enrolled and covered, the Dems are just pushing to expand it. Another slippery slope, in an attempt to get more people withholding to the government for their financial support.
I don't want a "nanny state" where the top wage earners are suppose to support every hand out the Dems can come with. If they want to buy votes let them use their own damn money, not mine
You failed to respond to the statement by JFK
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" What's matter Jay, does that statement no longer fit with the current Dems?
I know exactly what freedom of speech means. However, your hero, Rush, seems to forget what it means when he degrades any opinion that disagrees with his. What I can't seem to understand is, you republicans had the best case senario, Rep President, majority in Congress, majority of Supremes and yet somehow....you blew it. And you arrogantly continue to degrade those who disagree with your politics. It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong....I see no hero on this site.
Posted by XGen on October 27, 2007 03:50 PMAgain, jgd...you've cemented your right wing status. Remember for future reference....I can smell fake attempts at appearing centrist like a fart in a car. So...what CURRENT stances of the Dems are "wimpy"?
How do you feel about abortion, abstinency only sex ed, stem cell research, faith-based initiatives, contraception distribution, etc etc etc.
What to do with our borders and what to do about the illegal immigrants already here are two separate issues....you still can't spin away the fact that the VAST majority of Americans support a guest worker program with a path to citizenship...irregardless of border secuity enforcement.
An American...it amuses me that you don't see the hypocritical stance those folks on the far right have taken in regards to the Rush/Moveon issue.
Posted by jay on October 28, 2007 12:05 PMGood comments, jgd777. You say you don't want a "nanny state". Well, here's what leading Democrats have proposed so far:
1) Universal pre-kindergarten
2) $5000 for every newborn
3) Universal health care for everyone
4) College for Everyone http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/20070511-college-opportunity/
5) $9.50 per hour minimum wage
6) No war in Iraq
7) Higher taxes on the "rich"
8) Lower taxes for those who pay no taxes
9) "Fixing" Social Security by raising taxes
10) The rest of the world will love us
This is a socialistic cradle-to-grave nanny-state the Dems have envisioned for us.
There are no Democrat proposals that do not (a) raise taxes or (b) involve more government regulation or (c) return power to the people.
At every turn, the Democrats oppose Republican attempts to lower taxes, reduce regulation, and give economic choice back to the people. Want proof? Ask jay where he stands on:
1) School vouchers
2) The Bush tax rate cuts
3) Privatizing Social Security (a.k.a. allowing citizens to fund their own retirement accounts)
4) Health Savings Accounts
5) Reducing domestic spending