- Still flogging the abortion deaths lie
- U.S. behind the curve on birth control
- Let's not neglect our cultural facilities
- Ron Paul the answer
- Find better message
- Already paying for a 'better Denver'
- Finally, the I-word
- Cut to the chase
- Override SCHIP veto
- A DIFFERING VIEW/Severance taxes for higher ed? Give me a break
Parents of Cherry Creek Schools suing
I gave twenty years of my life so that the grossly over intimidated children of the parents that are suing Cherry Creek Schools would have the right to voice their complaint about the slightest hint of religion in a school. I also fought for their rights to choose whether or not their children should even be exposed to religion. They even have the right to tell their children to ignore reading Number 19 in the 40 Developmental Assets. But, don’t deny other’s rights that may want to read about the fact their may be a better lifestyle by choosing to believe in God and choosing a religious institution if they desire.
Then there is Steven Horner and his “Ladies Night” discrimination complaint.
Where was he when women wanted the right to vote or equal pay for equal work or equal job benefits? Oh yes, he was hiding under a rock! He was likely at home being coddled by a mommy that didn’t have to be in the work place to make ends meet and put food on the table. Don’t these people have anything else better to do with their lives? If Mr. Horner spent more time thinking about his opportunity to live in the greatest country in the world where he has more freedoms than anyplace else on this earth, he might just HAVE A LIFE! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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"...the fact their may be a better lifestyle by choosing to believe in God and choosing a religious institution if they desire."
Actually, Robert, there is no evidence to support the premise that religion makes people more moral. In fact, religion has for millennia been used as an instrument of social control, and can reasonbly be blamed for much of the violence in the world to this day.
To indoctrinate our children that religion is a good thing is not the job of our public educators. The founders of our great nation were wise to draft a godless constitution whose only references to religion are exclusionary.
Teach your kids as you see fit in your home; I will teach mine to think.
Posted by on October 26, 2007 02:15 PMRobert, thank you for fighting for my right to tell you to keep your damned religion out of our public schools!
I won't think in your church, please don't pray in our public schools!
Posted by shaupeen on October 26, 2007 02:26 PM"where he has more freedoms than anyplace else on this earth"
How do you define freedoms? Have you ever been to other countries? Yes, in many of them you can't do things we take for granted in the U.S. However, in some other countries you can do much more than you can here. In Holland, for example, prostitution and much drug use is legal. So, again, how do you define freedoms?
I'm really not America-bashing, and I too think Steven Horner has one of the most aggravated cases of Get-a-life I've ever seen. But, some blanket statement like "greatest country in the world" and "more freedoms than anyplace else on this earth" are starting to sound like when new parents claim that their little Johnny or Janey are the "most wonderful kids on the planet."
Do you know how many lawsuits would be on the books the week after a public school suggested that religion was bad for people?
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 02:40 PM"To indoctrinate our children that religion is a good thing is not the job of our public educators."
I can agree with that. Will you agree that it is also not the job of our public educators to indocrinate children into believing that global warming is absolute scientific fact, liberalism is noble, and George Bush is Hitler?
Posted by B on October 26, 2007 02:50 PMjay, the only ones who would sue about the schools saying 'religion is bad for people' would be Muslims.
Posted by on October 26, 2007 03:03 PMIf you let religion in the schools, however you do it, some day the prevailing religion my be Islam. Then will you howl.
Think of this, keeping all religions out of schools means keeping Islam out. What if a Muslim teacher starts talking about Allah?
What if a Muslim teacher leads prayers to Allah in class?
You are all too short sighted.
Boy will you scream when your ox is gored.
Posted by Sharon B. on October 26, 2007 03:12 PMUm, B, that isn't happening in public schools. You ought to turn off the talk radio station and go outside once in a while. Reality, and sunshine, would do you some good.
And maybe, on your walk, you can come up with some original opinions that you could call your own.
Posted by A on October 26, 2007 03:13 PM"Um, B, that isn't happening in public schools. You ought to turn off the talk radio station and go outside once in a while. Reality, and sunshine, would do you some good."
Um, A, are you saying that Jay Bennish didn't/doesn't exist?" How can you say that it isn't happening? Are you in every classroom everyday? Bennish already proved you wrong. I hardly believe that is a one-time incident.
It has and will happen because teachers are allowed to insert their opinions as fact.
"And maybe, on your walk, you can come up with some original opinions that you could call your own."
I took a nice walk today, thanks. Do you mean I should come up with "original opinions" that have no factual basis, such as "that isn't happening in public schools," despite the facts that say otherwise?
Posted by B on October 26, 2007 03:43 PMand now the anti religion nut cases from the dumocrat party will have something to do all night. go for it morons and remember money has the word god on it so dont touch it as it might affect you some how
Posted by on October 26, 2007 04:00 PMAll of you are idiots, and the problem with our country!
IT IS YOUR FAULT!
Posted by Fresh on October 26, 2007 04:35 PMLiberals are fart sniffers.
Posted by on October 26, 2007 07:52 PMconservatives are liars.
Posted by r on October 26, 2007 08:54 PM> Will you agree that it is also not the job of our public educators to indocrinate children into believing that global warming is absolute scientific fact
Global warming is absolute scientific fact. The debate is whether there is a significant man-made component, and whether we have the ability and responsibiliy to make efforts to minimize and mitigate our contribution.
There are differences of opinion on this point, but the vast majority of the argument from the deniers of significant human contributions consist of ad hominen attacks on one man, and an unwillingness to consider the possibility that we should modify our lifestyles and consumption to have a lesser impact.
Posted by on October 26, 2007 09:35 PM"Global warming is absolute scientific fact
09:35, I would be happy to accommodate him on his request to denounce claims of "absolute scientific fact" whenever anybody claims such a thing.
The term "fact" is used in science as an honorific for anything which is (to paraphrase Gould) confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.
There are no "absolute scientific facts" and no teacher should be claiming there to be such animals.
It is of course the case that the IPCC announcement marks the point at which anthropogenic global warming became noted as a fact, but we should note that this fact, like all others in science, is tentative and conditional.
However, unless a better theory to explain the evidence was on offer, to deny the fact of anthropogenic global warming at this point would be and is, perverse.
anon 4:00,
to bad your such a chicken shit to leave your name,
I maybe an atheist but i am not a lib or dem, i am an conservative atheists, with good morals that i do not any religion telling me how to live my life, keep your religions out of my schools and government, religion is supposed to be a private sanction between one person and their belief structure.
your local friendly atheist
Hoimaha C.
also the word "god" did not appear on money until the middlw of the century because of the communist scare that we no longer have to worry about any longer . you should really do a little research and post your name
your local friendly atheist
Hoimaha C.
Put God where it belongs, in the trash can of superstition and fear along with Zeus, Ra, Thor and the rest of the make believe gods.
What makes you so sure that God has blessed America. What bible verse are you quoting from.
The Romans, the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, and many other empires all believed that God, or the Gods, had blessed them. Give me a break, God as not blessed America because there is no god you gullible fool.
Religion is not the answer to man's problems, religion is the problem.
Why in the world do folks still continue to think that they have the right to push their beliefs in the supernatural on other folks and their kids???
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 01:49 PM"Why in the world do folks still continue to think that they have the right to push their beliefs in the supernatural on other folks and their kids???"
Jay,I'll rephrase your question from a different point of view....
Why in the world do folks still continue to think that they have the right to push their atheistic beliefs on other folks and their kids???
The answer may be that perhaps these folks believe that they know the truth. You do, don't you?
Posted by TEW on October 27, 2007 02:09 PMTEW I had no idea that this school in cherry creek was saying that having no believe in the supernatural was good for kids.
PLease post a link supporting your position.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 04:57 PMI don't need a link. My kid goes to CC. The 40 Developemental Assets are not presented as a list of things you HAVE to do to be successful in life. They are suggestions. You can take them or leave them.
On the other hand, evolution is taught as scientific fact and other 'theories' are hardly if at all mentioned.
Some of us don't believe evolution is fact. But then, according to many people on these blogs, people like me are ignorant, stupid, and nonthinkers. Funny, I know a lot of professional people such as doctors and teachers, people who are more highly educated than some of the critical people on this blog, who do not believe in evolution.
I got a little off the subject there but meerly trying to show that no one but the so called "nonthinkers" are being forced to conform to anything contrary to their beliefs.... in the school districts.
Posted by TEW on October 28, 2007 09:00 AMAnd TEW....I"m still watiing for an answer...did anyone at Cherry Creek suggest that NOT having religious beliefs was a way to be successful in life?
If not, your point is invalid.
Now....you can choose not to teach your kids that scientific consensus is meaningless when conflicing with your beliefs in the supernatural...but that's your CHOICE. Science class is for science...not philosophy.
Posted by jay on October 28, 2007 10:25 AMYou keep asking the same question but ignoring my answer. The 40 Developemental assets are SUGGESTIONS. No one HAS to do ALL of them. What about that answer is not understandable to you in pertaining to your question?
I don't know if anyone in the CCSD has ever suggested that NOT having religious beliefs was a way to be successful in life. I would not be surprised if they did.
As for your last paragraph....science is all in how you look at the results and it's all philosophic to a lot of people. I do agree with you on one thing though. We all should have a choice in how we want to believe without having anything shoved down our throats. At least that is what I understand you to be saying.
Posted by TEW on October 28, 2007 11:37 AM"You keep asking the same question but ignoring my answer. The 40 Developemental assets are SUGGESTIONS. No one HAS to do ALL of them. What about that answer is not understandable to you in pertaining to your question?"
It doesn't matter HOW the pushing of religion is done TEW...the FACT of the matter is...it was pushed upon a captive student audience in this case. Do you deny that?
"I don't know if anyone in the CCSD has ever suggested that NOT having religious beliefs was a way to be successful in life."
There you go...I think that wraps it up...it makes your point illustrated by this statement/question...."Why in the world do folks still continue to think that they have the right to push their atheistic beliefs on other folks and their kids???"....completely invalid, which is why we got on this tangent.
"We all should have a choice in how we want to believe without having anything shoved down our throats"
And that's your choice to make TEW. If you want to deny your children the study of science because of your beliefs in the supernatural...you are more than welcome to do so...but again....don't try to influence other children's access to scientific information because of said beliefs
You simply don't have that right.
Aragorn defeated Sauron,so he's the new God.Thanks for your help Frodo!
Posted by on October 29, 2007 10:14 AM"It doesn't matter HOW the pushing of religion is done TEW...the FACT of the matter is...it was "pushed upon a captive student audience in this case. Do you deny that?"
Yes, I deny that. Nothing was pushed on anyone.
""that wraps it up...it makes your point illustrated by this statement/question...."Why in the world do folks still continue to think that they have the right to push their atheistic beliefs on other folks and their kids???"....completely invalid, which is why we got on this tangent."
Nope. Nothing I wrote is invalid. I rephrased your question from a different point of view.
"And that's your choice to make TEW. If you want to deny your children the study of science because of your beliefs in the supernatural...you are more than welcome to do so...but again....don't try to influence other children's access to scientific information because of said beliefs"
You simply don't have that right."
I have never denied, or even tried to deny my kids the right to study science (knowlege). Science is important to many fields that help mankind. I believe the science of evolution is a fairy tale that IS being pushed on our kids just as you believe religion is. I agree to disagree with you.
Posted by on October 29, 2007 11:20 AMLast post was from me, TEW.
Posted by TEW on October 29, 2007 11:23 AM