- Pronounce it correctly
- Lakewood’s government
- Children’s Hospital should have donated first
- Put Park Hill playground back
- Price of text books
- Birth control available to kids in Maine
- Mike Rosen on Al Gore & global warming
- Rush Limbaugh and Sen. Reid’s letter
- Most knew Angel Montoya would run
- Republican leadership unfit
Tell children the truth about war in Iraq
The disillusion was profound. Why didn’t anyone tell me!
As the years passed, My idealism slowly but surely shriveled up into the same apathy I lashed out at in college. That is, until I had my first child.
The miracle of seeing life through the eyes of my child unfolded.
As our liberties erode before us, as human beings continue to die as a result of our continued presence in Iraq (last Thursday, at least 6 women and 9 children were bombed into oblivion by a U. S.
Tell them the truth. It won’t kill them, but it may set them free! Parents, their future is at stake.
Their tax burden will be crippling, and they’ll be in far more danger. And most importantly, teach them to not accept collateral damage as a way of doing business.
Parents, as you complain about this and that, as you create excuse after excuse for your inaction, do not be surprised when the anguished question comes, “mom, dad what did you do when you knew?”
Come to the rally and march against the war on Iraq, Saturday, October 27 12 noon
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bobby go tell yours the truth about the horror that happens daily in boulders abortion clinic and see how the kiddies react.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 02:23 PMDon't worry about your children. The Islamo-Judeo-Christo-Fascists are going to swarm in on flying camels to cut their heads off and make their mothers wear burkahs and force every one to kneel in the direction of Jerusalo-Mecca five times a day. Unless of course, they accept the Bibble-Koran-Bhaga-vadghita and send all of your money to www.bushcheney.com
Posted by on October 25, 2007 02:23 PMBe sure you don't limit what you tell them Robert. They need to know the WHOLE truth, which includes the thousands who were or would still be killed if our forces were not there to assist in developing a democracy.
Your children need to know the WHOLE truth about the millions who will be killed in the future when Islamo-facists reign supreme over the earth, as is their total goal. Their "divine" command will not cease if Americans wimp out and come home.
Be sure you prepare your kids for this inevitable event in their future if the war on terror ends as you now ignorantly hope.
Good cmment, anon 02:23.
Posted by Gail K on October 25, 2007 02:45 PMGail speaketh out of her anus yet again.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 02:49 PMTell them everything, Mr. Ketterhagen. The truth won't hurt them. I only wish the president had told the American people (and the world) the whole truth. We probably would have found a better way to get oil than killing people.
Posted by Stan B on October 25, 2007 04:52 PMMy god, you hadn't heard about the Holocaust until you were in college?
What horrible high school, middle school and elementary school did you attend?
Posted by D on October 25, 2007 05:18 PMWhat un truths or lies as you like to say Stan are there?
It astounds me that the far right still tries to imply a connection between the iraq war and global terrorism...and with any type of threat to the US whatsoever.
Jay,
Even if there's no direct or recognized connection between the war in Iraq and global terrorism, wouldn't you agree that there's some connection of the players involved? We are warring against militant Islamists who take pride in torturing and murdering people. These same hate-filled tyrants would just love to run across our own fields and through our towns and commit similar acts against any American of any gender, age or color who refuses to submit to their idea of Allah.
I'm convinced that the best way to fight that hatred is in the very lands where it is bred, spread and taught.
Posted by Gail K on October 25, 2007 06:49 PMSo, Robert of Boulder, can you highlight just what liberties eroded in the last few years, may be a list of things you can not do now, and you used to able to. As far as I can tell, the only thing changed recently, that no one can smoke in the bars now, and even that started in that rathole Boulder. And if you truly concerned about people being killed, why don’t you change your anti-war rally to anti-crime rally, since about 20 times more Americans are killed each year here than in Iraq.
Posted by Uno on October 25, 2007 07:05 PMGail there is one gaping hole in your rationalization of the war.
We're not predominantly fighting "militant Islamists" in iraq. This is a very common misconception that is still making the circles on far right wing media. The DoD has released data that maintains that over 95% of our engagements in Iraq are with iraqis...not AQ or other type of religious fundies.
Considering that fact...no...Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror.
Actually...that's not quite correct. It does have a large negative impact on our abilities to fight a global war on terror (if there is such a thing...which is debatable). Iraq has made us less safe by taking valuable resources away from the real war on terror, needlessly putting enormous strain on our military and giving AQ the opportunity to restrenghten to 9/10 levels...even going so far as to provide them with additional tools with which to wreck havoc on our country.
so yes...Iraq has a lot to do with the war on terror...but not in a good way.
Posted by jay on October 25, 2007 07:37 PMWe are warring against militant Islamists who take pride in torturing and murdering people.
And these militant Islamists are warring against incompetent Christians who take pride in torturing and murdering people.
Posted by on October 25, 2007 07:40 PMRobert, Stan and jay are right on.No more war for oil for the murdering neocons .Chimpy bush lied and everyone knows it. There is no war on terror-it is made up so the baby killing US soliders can kill innocents for the presidents amusement. The terrorists are innocent freedom fighters,minutemen if you will,and they have to torture women and childern to be effective against the amerikan invaders.The bushitler brown shirts squash all free speech and its time to stand up and impeach the real perpertraiter of 911 towers collapse-LimpychimpyMcHitlerbibleBu$hburton
DONT TAZE ME BRO
Jay, Those we're fighting are not democracy-lovers. We're not fighting civilians or soldiers who want freedom for their country. Does that clarify it now?
07:40, you have it backwards - Christians are being tortured and murdered all over the world, except here in the US - at least as long as we still have our freedoms.
Spin it any way you want Gail....but you're not going to make the case that the war in Iraq and the war on terror are one in the same. We are not fighting terrorists in Iraq....in fact Iraq is hindering that very goal.
Posted by jay on October 25, 2007 11:06 PMHave any of you served a tour over there? Having been there...Jay, you sound so foolish and you don't even know it! You spout your crap from your keyboard after watching some CNN and reading some of the other stupid posts on this site. One good thing...I get a good laugh every morning when I realize just how uninformed the American public really is. Jay...keep it up, I just called some of my buddies (who were there too) to have them read your crap! They got a good laugh too! You imbicile!
Posted by vet on October 26, 2007 08:21 AMMr. Ketterhaggen, Is that a German Name?
If it is that explains why you weren't told about the Holocaust until college.If it is not a German name I can't fathom you not finding out about the Halocaust until college.
My children are 7 and 10 and know about the Holocaust.They don't understand all the dynamics yet and there is still alot of History for them to learn.
They also know about the Civil Rights movement. The eyes got real big when I told them how our country used to treat black people. They know about the Civil War and President Lincoln.The question me on how our country could treat people that way because the were black.I try to tell them as much as I know and find books that show them lynchings and segregation signs.
I also have told then about how we were attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and the end result of dropping a nucleur bomb and killing millions of people.
This summer their reading included The Constitution.
History is not taught in the schools early enough.So I think it is important that parents start at home.
My daughter was in Kindergarten when she watched the planes crash into The World Trade Center.She watched alot of the coverage. She said it's so quiet outside when we were out at night after they grounded all the planes.She knows there is a group of people who want us killed.
My husband helped build The Halocaust Museum in Washington D.C.
He built the exhibit called, Daniel's Story.
Everyday He came home there was a sadness that hung over his head.He would see the thousands of shoes,the pictures of the people in the Concetration Camps,the pictures of thousands of dead bodies. It took a toll on him.After the job was done he was glad to be out of the house of horrors as he called it.
His next job was building a 300,00 sq.ft home for a Sheik with 7 wives who wanted it built as fast as it could be built . They had crews working 12 hours , 7 days a week ,day and night.
He told me he didn't know which one was worst.
History must be taught . Our children need to know the bravery in this great country and the flaws.
"vet"...do you have an opinion on the size of force on the ground in Iraq?
Why do you think we went to war with Iraq?
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 10:02 AMDoes Mr. Ketterhagen have any idea of the enormous collateral damage inflicted on Germany in order to end the Holocaust? It would make Iraq look like just another day in east Denver.
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 12:28 PMAgain John...comparing Iraq to other wars we fought is the heighth of intellectual dishonestly.
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 02:34 PMjay,
That may be true but I was simply responding to the letter who brought up the Holocaust in the context of the current war in Iraq.
On the one hand, the author condemns deadly collateral damages while, on the other hand, he appreciates the efforts to stop the Holocaust.
Those efforts to stop the Holocaust included carpet-bombing German cities.
Did I really need to walk you through that?
Speaking of the "heighth[sic] of intellectual dishonesty",
"Johnson did not want a war loss on his watch, so he surged in Vietnam. After the surge was over, we added 34,000 to the 24,000 who died in Vietnam," -- Harry ReidPosted by John II on October 26, 2007 02:44 PM
And John...the moral of the story is that stopping the holocaust was justified...iraq is not.
Glad we could come full circle on this one.
By the way...yes...Johnson fucked up nam....just like W is fucking up iraq and the war on terror...remind me what happens when you don't learn from history?
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 02:56 PMThat may be the moral of your story, but not the author's story. The author of the letter is lamenting deadly collateral damage. He says nothing about whether or not the cause is just.
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 03:09 PMAnd the moral of his story is that unjustified collateral damage should be lamented.
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 03:12 PMBy the way, jay, how can you learn from history if "comparing Iraq to other wars we fought is the heighth[sic] of intellectual dishonestly"?
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 03:14 PMjay,
Can you quote the author as to where he says the war is unjustified? The point of his letter is best summed up one of his last sentences:
"And most importantly, teach them to not accept collateral damage as a way of doing business."
He is lamenting collateral damage. He says nothing of anything being "unjustified".
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 03:19 PM"And John...the moral of the story is that stopping the holocaust was justified...iraq is not."
Ah yes, the typical muddy waters of the WWII vs. Iraq. I don't suppose you'd clarify that statement. Are you opposed to the idea of what is happening in Gitmo but not opposed to what FDR did to Japanese-Americans? Why is it that the removal of Constitutional rights now is so wrong(which it is), yet so many of those decrying what the Bush administration is doing will be so quick to say that what the US did in WWII is "justified"? Is it just because we won that war? What makes evil justified in some cases but not others, do you have an answer?
Posted by drew on October 26, 2007 03:22 PMin it's simplest terms drew.
pre-emptive vs. not. nonthreat vs. not.
discretionary warfare vs. justified warfare.
understand the difference?
Posted by jay on October 26, 2007 03:55 PMjay,
Would you call the rounding up of innocent Japanese-Americans into camps a preemptive action?
Posted by John II on October 26, 2007 03:57 PMwe need a theme song for the Iraq war. Similar to the Vietnam anthem
"I feel like I'm fixing to die" rag by Country Joe and the Fish
robert,You start by saying not to lie to the children,then finish by lying to the children.
Posted by Keith on October 27, 2007 10:39 AMJohn, no amount of spin is going to change the fact that this is the only preemptive war we've ever fought...and war that remains unjustified and thus not comparable to any other war in our history.
I'd call the rounding up of americans and incarcerating them with no proof of wrong doing a crime...just as it is now.
So...let's recap.
No threat.
No link to AQ
No link to 9/11
No wmds
No justification.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 01:42 PMJohn, no amount of spin is going to change the fact that this is the only preemptive war we've ever fought...and war that remains unjustified and thus not comparable to any other war in our history.
I'd call the rounding up of americans and incarcerating them with no proof of wrong doing a crime...just as it is now.
So...let's recap.
No threat.
No link to AQ
No link to 9/11
No wmds
No justification.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 01:42 PMJohn, no amount of spin is going to change the fact that this is the only preemptive war we've ever fought...and war that remains unjustified and thus not comparable to any other war in our history.
I'd call the rounding up of americans and incarcerating them with no proof of wrong doing a crime...just as it is now.
So...let's recap.
No threat.
No link to AQ
No link to 9/11
No wmds
No justification.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 01:42 PMJohn, no amount of spin is going to change the fact that this is the only preemptive war we've ever fought...and war that remains unjustified and thus not comparable to any other war in our history.
I'd call the rounding up of americans and incarcerating them with no proof of wrong doing a crime...just as it is now.
So...let's recap.
No threat.
No link to AQ
No link to 9/11
No wmds
No justification.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 01:43 PMjay,
Your posts have nothing to do with the topic of discussion. You avoided my questions and now you're trying to change the subject. Did you think I didn't notice? You're a joke.
Posted by John II on October 27, 2007 02:30 PMlol...John don't pout.
What is it that you were trying to say?
Remember...as we've established...this is the only pre-emptive war and is not justified.
So by all means...make your point...keeping those facts mind.
Posted by jay on October 27, 2007 05:05 PM