- Jeffco ballot issue lets schools off the hook
- Objections cited to Dougco Ballot Issue 1B
- Prostitution should be a legal activity
- A suspect switch
- Wasteful searches
- A higher law
- 100 percent unsafe
- A DIFFERING VIEW/Denver bond measures should pass as a package
- Ongoing war funding is killing U.S. troops
- Paul Campos & Mitt Romney
War in Iraq
They should have thought about that before Bush attacked Iraq. Now it’s too late. To make matters worse, we attacked Iraq without a legitimate purpose.
We should not have lost one life or even one leg in that area.
Those same people should have realized that the middle east has been at war since day one of people on this earth. Real live terrorists are born there each and every day in Iraq and surrounding places. What makes those same people think the middle east will quit raising hell now. Our shamefull attack on Iraq just livened it up in that area. It was like pouring acid in a wound. And unfortunately and correctly, we are now called war mongers by the rest of the world.
Those hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have had to leave Iraq won’t forget us. Those tens of thousands of Iraqis who are suffering the loss of a loved one or a wounded relative because of Bush’s hatred of one man won’t forget us. Therefore, we need to bring our soldiers back to watch our borders, to keep them who would in return do us harm, from coming in. So yes, we need to “cut and run” as far away as possible from that forbidden pit. Apparently, God has. We have lost too many lives and legs for nothing.
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Last I checked, nobody is afraid of insurgents coming here. The thought of terrorists is pretty real. And there were great reasons to attack the Saddam Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction (now in Syria) and non-compliance with UN weapons inspectors. Saddam begged for it, and he got it. Now we just need some stability in the region, and we WILL be out of there. It is unfourtunate the insurgents are too stupid to realize this...if they would just stay quiet for awhile, we would be outta there!
Posted by on October 22, 2007 02:29 PMGood points from both writers so far. I agree that even if, on the off-chance, Iraq becomes some shining beacon of democracy, the middle east will NEVER amount to much. Too much hatred, too much psychosis. Waste of our time and lives. (I didn't used to think that but I've learned ALOT since 2001). And the second writer is correct that if the insurgents, terrorists and criminals would just shut the hell up for three months, the US would boogy out of there and they could then play crazy all they want.
Posted by Mac on October 22, 2007 02:37 PMWhy do you hate America?
Posted by GOP Tool on October 22, 2007 02:37 PMwho knows maybe osama will send hillbillary a check to get elected and come for a visit in 09
Posted by on October 22, 2007 03:16 PMWhy would Osama want the Dems in power?
Republican policies have made us less safe, given him powerful resources for success and allowed him to restrenghten his organization to levels seen on 9/10.
Considering those facts...it would make more sense that Al Qaeda and terrorists worldwide would be donating massive sums of money to Republican candidates...not the other way around.
Posted by jay on October 22, 2007 03:22 PM"who knows maybe osama will send hillbillary a check to get elected and come for a visit in 09"
Or maybe he could ask bush who deemed that only people with the last name of Bin Laden were allowed to fly for days after 9/11.
Posted by Larry on October 22, 2007 03:36 PMWhat world or reality do you live in Jay? Implying that the current administration is selling arms to terrorists and saying we have less resources now then before 9/10. You are definately living out there in lala land.
Posted by on October 22, 2007 04:42 PMI don't think you understood my point anonymous cruton.
I'll spell it out for you so there's no confusion.
Republican policies have made us less safe...as confirmed by the 2006 NIE and our own Director of CounterTerrorism.
Republican policies have allowed AQ to restrengthen to levels seen on 9/10...again according to our own intelligence experts.
Republican polices have given AQ powerful resources with which to recruit train and deploy their forces against Americans...yo guessed it...2006 NIE, CIA, the Pentagon...etc.
Now...again...considering those facts....it would make more sense that Al Qaeda and terrorists worldwide would be donating massive sums of money to Republican candidates...not the other way around.
Don't you agree...considering the facts?
Posted by jay on October 22, 2007 05:23 PMRepublicans are liars and cheaters.
Posted by rick on October 22, 2007 05:38 PMLets bomb Iran.
Posted by rick on October 22, 2007 06:58 PMjay, "Republican policies have made us less safe...as confirmed by the 2006 NIE and our own Director of CounterTerrorism."
Apart from the NIE's credibility being shot, I'd really like to know what basis they make that claim. It just runs counter to the fact that Americans were killed by terrorist attacks somewhere in the world an average of about once every 13 months before March 2003, and no such attacks on us have happened since.
"Republican polices have given AQ powerful resources with which to recruit train and deploy their forces against Americans"
That's odd. A news report that came out just today has OBL admitting that AQ is having great difficulties.
As to AQ preferring the Republicans over Democrats, this is a quote from Ayman al-Zawahiri, OBL's #2 man, as reported on ABC news last December: "The first is that you aren't the ones who won the midterm elections, nor are the Republicans the ones who lost. Rather, the Mujahideen -- the Muslim Ummah's vanguard in Afghanistan and Iraq -- are the ones who won, and the American forces and their Crusader allies are the ones who lost"
Clearly, he prefers the Democrats.
I am still "stunned", Americans allowed a corps of "draft-dodging and racist wankers" (Lott, Blair, lard-a$$es Cheney and Hastert, Frist, and Delay), who haven't found any thing they collectively are willing to die for, to drag us into this needless and senseless war. They should all turned over to a court of law, along with Blackwater, preferrably in Iraq-NAM.
Posted by draftdodgingisntafamilyvalue on October 22, 2007 08:57 PM"Apart from the NIE's credibility being shot, I'd really like to know what basis they make that claim. It just runs counter to the fact that Americans were killed by terrorist attacks somewhere in the world an average of about once every 13 months before March 2003, and no such attacks on us have happened since. "
Yet more myths.
The 2006 NIE is just the tip of the iceberg. Why don't you see last month's admission by the Republican's own Director of US National CounterTerrorism Unit.
I guess the 100 attacks a day against Americans in Iraq don't count huh? How about the fact that global terrorist activity has gone up threefold under the Republican majority?
Dave...putting your fingers in your ears and pretending that the facts don't count isn't a good debate tactic...at least it's not if you plan on salvaging some credibility here.
AGAIN...LESS SAFE...AQ stronger and more effective. Come to terms with it.
"That's odd. A news report that came out just today has OBL admitting that AQ is having great difficulties."
Does this phantom "news report" carry more weight than our own intelligence agencies who have said that AQ is back to 9/10 strength levels and who use the quagmire in Iraq to recruit train and deploy new members daily?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070506/14alqaeda.htm
http://dni.gov/press_releases/Declassified_NIE_Key_Judgments.pdf
"Clearly, he prefers the Democrats."
Again Dave...I think it's safe to say that the "evildoers" are very happy with the Republican track record which has resulted in making us less safe and them stronger. Why in the world would you believe differently if not blindered by your political loyalties?
Dave, I know these facts are politically inconvenient for you...but please stop trying to run away from your party's track record...you're starting to sound desperate.
LESS SAFE.
LESS SECURE FINANCIALLY.
AQ REGROUPED AND STRONGER THAN EVER.
MILITARY AT THE "BREAKING POINT" (ACCORDING TO OUR OWN GENERALS)
One more time...
...any questions?
Slow down,DDINAFV.You gotta remember that LBJ was Commander-in-Chief back in the day.Given that,I think Lott,Cheney,et al showed the greatest of good sense in avoiding anything to do with Lyndon's conduct of that particular adventure.
I would like to cite a historical situation that may have relevance today:
In the mid to late '30s there was deep concern that Franklin D. Roosevelt was intent on alienating our allies and cuddling up to the Soviets and the Fascists(both varieties),and indeed FDR appointed noted crime boss and Anglophobe Joseph Kennedy Ambassador to Great Britain.Kennedy had to be recalled for some truly outrageous pro-Nazi statements(one being "I am an appeaser"-the film exists today) contemporaneous with the Munich accords.
Nevertheless,FDR went on to back the internment of Japanese-Americans post December 7th,sponsor the Manhattan Project,advance the unconditional surrender dictum,and most important,made it impossible for his successor not to use atomics on Japan.
The relevance of these considerations to today is that the behavior of a President can't always be predicted.If Hillary Clinton attains that office,those who fear she can't fight could be in for a heartening surprise.
jay,
No, the attacks in Iraq don't count, because they happened in a war zone. The attacks I was talking about were in places not considered war zones -- embassies, airlines, the WTC, nightclubs,...
The news report does carry more weight, because your sources are from months ago. The quote on tonight's news was came from the latest tape from OBL himself.
If AQ preferred the Republicans, why did al-Zawahiri come out bragging about the results of last year's election?
Here's another quote, "Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Source: http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/11/03/terrorists-say-vote-democratic/
As to who's sounding desperate, it's you who's doing the screaming (typing in all capitals).
Posted by Dave on October 22, 2007 10:39 PMI'm dismayed that anyone out there listens to anything OBL has to say. Not only that, but I would think OBL would be well-versed in reverse psychology, knowing the American electorate is easily cowed by fear (as demonstrated by this current administration). Who is to say OBL isn't saying "Vote Democrat" so that the American people continuously vote the inept Republican administration back into power?
I'm not saying he is actually doing that for a fact, but it is a possibility, and seems more plausible than OBL relaying to us what he would rather we do to harm his goals. It makes no sense.
OBL should have been picked off a long time ago. If he is as harmless as Bush insists, why do we as Americans lend so much credence to his messages? Listening to what OBL has to say is akin to listening to the serpent in the Garden of Eden, and people still fall for it.
Posted by Dan on October 22, 2007 11:06 PMIt is a little odd that every time the american furor wants money from congress, the most despised rag-head in the world sends a message...He will get what he wants, all he has to do is scare those spineless wimps in congress and the wallets will fly to his feet. So folks take your pick, you can be a soulless bloodthirsty terrorist creating war profiteer, or you can be a spineless godless bleeding heart terrorist enabler. It's so sad when you read these forums, you are either one or the other. That is why I dont fly the flag in front of my door!
Posted by TJ on October 23, 2007 12:33 AMWhen will people realize..........there will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER be peace in the middle east.......NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER.......get over it.....get out....get on with life. There will never be "democracy" in a theocracy. NEVER. EVER.
Posted by lj on October 23, 2007 08:27 AMDave...again...you're simply refusing to acknowledge well established, albeit politically (for you) inconvenient facts.
Republican policies have made us less safe.
Republican policies have allowed AQ to restrenghten.
Republican policies have given AQ even more tools with which to recruit, train and deploy new members.
Republican policies have taken our military "to the breaking point" (our general's words, not mine)
Why in the world do you believe, considering those facts...that AQ wouldn't want Republicans in power?
Relax, calm down and think about the words you just read...then consider your answer before spouting yet more right wing talking points.
Posted by jay on October 23, 2007 08:30 AMmf Christ told Bush to attack Iraq; mf Allah is telling Bush to get out evidenced by tornados in the Midwest, heat in Chicago, hurricanes on the Gulf and elsewhere, fires in California, electrical grid failure, infrastructure erosion, etc. with mf Allah mad as hell and he ain't gonna take it anymore. The mf'ers still have their nose firmly ensconced/submerged in Bush's asshole imbibing on their fix not realizing that many soldiers would not have died in Afghanistan but for the Iraq debacle.
mf is in dictionary.com meaning the same as what Christians call themselves, wretches which means despicable and evil people.
Deicide Corner: “Christianity persecuted, tortured, and burned. Like a hound it tracked the very scent of heresy. It kindled wars, and nursed furious hatreds and ambitions. It sanctified, quite like Mohammedanism, extermination and tyranny.” -- George Santayana
Posted by Richard Grimes Deicide r22037@yahoo.com on October 23, 2007 09:36 AMjay, "Why in the world do you believe, considering those facts...that AQ wouldn't want Republicans in power?"
Because the words from those in AQ say differently. You should listen sometime when OBL issues a statement. It sounds right out of the Democrat talking points.
Dave...you're sacrificing common sense and credibility because of blind politicaly loyalty here pal.
I'll ask again...and this time, take the blinders off.
considering that republican policies have been GOOD for AQ and our enemies abroad and BAD for the US...why in the world would you think the terrorists wouldn't want them in power?
Turn off the Rush and THINK.
Posted by jay on October 23, 2007 01:06 PMCommon sense is a collection of a person's bias and prejudice, I keep telling them. What determines good and evil? Common sense i.e. individual bias and prejudice.
Posted by RG on October 23, 2007 01:41 PMListen to Rush.He is giving information that the media is blocking.The head of the NRA,Wayne LaPierre said that the mainstream media was censoring his message on the gun issue but talk radio would let him speak freely about the issue.He saud talk radio was one way he could bypass the media.
Posted by An American on October 24, 2007 10:24 AMGive every man, woman and child a gun and some grenades, myabe a bazooka or two and we can get out Iraq and protect oursellves right here with everyone armed with AK-47 to take on any terroruists stupid enuff to try and get us...just like the 2nd amendment sez.. I trhink the amwendment also says kill all the democrats and liberals.
Posted by An American on October 24, 2007 12:14 PM