- Environmental saviors
- Judge has a backbone
- Trick or treating etiquette
- Homelessness in Colorado
- Politics never meant to be a career option
- Term limits the answer for Congress
- Turkey may have saved Dems' bacon
- Teachers unions: free ride on accountability
- Teachers unions: free ride on accountability
- Blaming the hippo
Correct phrase is illegal immigrants
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You can thank all of that for liberal left wing policies. Vote the left out of office, get more Republicans in like Tom and watch things improve.Posted by Uno on November 4, 2007 02:16 PM
Personally, I like the term "human beings".Posted by Truth on November 4, 2007 02:54 PM
It's real easy to be generous with other people's stuff. Do you work in the construction trades? Are you careful, when you hire people to work around your home to check their licenses and insurance forms like you should?Posted by freethinker on November 4, 2007 03:09 PM
See what illegals do to Americans PEACEFULLY protesting a day lobor site!!Posted by truthy on November 4, 2007 05:06 PM
I assume, freethinker, that you do not consider illegal immigrants to be human beings. Your bad.Posted by Truth on November 4, 2007 06:55 PM
All criminals are human beings, does that mean they should not have to follow the laws of this country. Human beings who enter this country legally are welcome, human beings who choose to enter this country illegally, steal SS#'s so they can work illegally, drive without driver's license and insurance, and collect welfare benefits are unwelcome.
This has nothing to do with whether or not they are considered human beings, of course they are, it has to do if they are in the country legally or illegally.Posted by jgd777 on November 4, 2007 07:17 PM
The question is not whether they are in the country illegally. That is a given. The question is, what should the penalty be for being here illegally. That is what Congress and the nation have been struggling with. A number of people say that under the current law all of them are subject to immediate deportation, but posters on the forum say a lot of things that aren't so. That may well be, and it may also be that there are legal hurdles to doing this en masse. I have some impression that to deport them the government might have to prove that they crossed over the border illegally and that could likely be difficult if not impossible for those who have been here a while and have the benefit of the fifth amendment and of the law requiring a confession to be corroborated. I tried to find the actual law about that but haven't had time to be successful. In any case, it seems pretty clear that the Republican administration, which is in charge of such matters, is not going to deport them en masse, and in my opinion for good economic as well as humanitarian and foreign policy reasons, as well as because the people as a whole would not stand for it. I expect that the administration is not going to do anything precipitously but rather is going to wait for the law to be changed in view of the strong winds for change that are blowing from all sides, so far unsuccessfully. So those that want them to be deported en masse can continue to hit the brick wall Bush has erected and complain bitterly about how those damn conservatives just don't do things right.Posted by Truth on November 4, 2007 10:22 PM
It5's simple. Just do exactly what Mexico does when it catches illegals on it's Southern border.Posted by clyde on November 4, 2007 10:49 PM
When will reasonable thinking be allowed to come “front and center” of this ongoing controversy with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?\
Simple.. When it costs enough politicians their jobs. Most feel completely safe. Too many are in safe districts where their party will almost never lose. What is needed is some primary opponents who will at the least give an incumbent a run for the job. At best the newbie would win the primary and then the election. Neither party would like it but should it happen in five or six areas considered completely safe the fear will be set loose. Their worst fear is that the other party will win in the safe district which would be a terrible tragedy. End game is that the only thing politicians care about is power. They get power by being re-elected. We need not throw out every incumbent but a few Republicans losing a safe seat would be one thing to open eyes. If as many as six Democrats were to lose seats over this issue, and it was too well known to use their favorite combination of broom and rug, all of them would run for the tall grass. Immigration reform would consist of enforcing current laws. Now we can do the same thing here in Colorado with the state house. I'm a republican and really want to end the Democratic majority but will not vote for any candidate who shows any sign of caving in to the illegals, yes illegals because that is what they are when they are in this country illegally. If enough politicians get the message that the gravy train of a 20 million illegal immigrant voting bloc is not going to help them because they will be out of office, and trying to set up any program that does not include strict enforcement and deportation means a quick trip out of office, they will flop over like a tired hound. They don't care about anything as much as they care about getting elected. Use that information to impress on them that NO ONE is safe from a ballot box revolution.Posted by momma y on November 5, 2007 02:43 AM
You can thank all of that for liberal left wing policies. Vote the left out of office, get more Republicans in like Tom and watch things improve.
Posted by Uno
You mean like starting another unnecessary war? How about adding even more to the debt? Yep those right wingers have done a heck of a job UniePosted by Chimpy McFlightsuit on November 5, 2007 08:08 AM
Ben Franklin said that democracy will work until people realize they can vote themselves money (paraphrase). If the "Progressives" (socialists) and pseudo republicans (socialists) have their way, illegals will be voting. Many illegals are from corrupt countrys and are far more accepting of corruption and state control.
Learn to speak Spanish and get used to be told what to think (socialism). America is being given away by our politians. Land of the free and home of the brave, not Americo.Posted by Breeze on November 5, 2007 08:11 AM
And don't forget we need to properly refer to Bob Beauprez's source at the ICE as "Illegal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent"Posted by on November 5, 2007 08:17 AM
More correct would be "illegal aliens".Posted by on November 5, 2007 08:22 AM
Can we get this guy back???
Richard. D. Lamm
I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that "an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide." Here is my plan:
We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon – all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans."
I would then invent "multiculturalism" and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.
We can make the United States a "Hispanic Quebec" without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently, "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved, not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities.
Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated – I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.
I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.
I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would "celebrate diversity." "Diversity" is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing each other. A "diverse," peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia. Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf's "World History" tells us: "The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus, and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two factors ... (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions ...)" If we can put the emphasis on the "pluribus," instead of the "unum," we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.
Then I would place all these subjects off-limits – make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to "heretic" in the 16th century – that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like "racist", "xenophobe" halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of "victimology," I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra – "because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good." I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.
Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson's book "Mexifornia" – this book is dangerous; it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please – if you feel that America deserves to be destroyed – please, please – don't buy this book! This guy is on to my plan. "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." – Noam Chomsky, American linguist and U.S. media and foreign policy critic.
Posted by Jim on November 5, 2007 08:36 AM
The Congressmen and women and the Senators who have been entrenched in their seats have the power. Anyone newly elected has no power and are pretty much told to follow the leaders and sit down and shut up.
The problem is getting the long time politicians out of office. One that comes to mind is Kennedy.These are the type of people who hold the strings.
We have people running for office in this country who actually want to make a difference.Who truly believe they can,but once they get into office they are stood in the corner like a child being disciplined. Their ideas are shot down.
That is the political system. The longer you've been in office,the more power you have. The people in your district are going to keep the old guard in power because of earmarks and lobbyist's from their disricts pouring money into their campaigns.
A person who runs for office thinking they can actually make a difference is in for a huge shock.The long-term politicians are running the show and spending Billions on earmarks for their districts to stay in power.
That is why our political system is so scewed up.There are good people who run for office for the right reasons. It's just they don't stand a chance on making things better because of the entrenched power in The Congress and The Senate.That goes for both parties.Posted by Can I get an AMEN! on November 5, 2007 09:19 AM
Keep whining, "truth", it's getting quieter and quieter....Posted by RickyLee on November 5, 2007 10:01 AM
Keep farting, RickyLee, it is your one gift.Posted by on November 5, 2007 10:09 AM
Too long of a post Jim. Not going to read it.Posted by Be Brief on November 5, 2007 11:07 AM
Yes, another intelligent comment from the opposition. Great argument, 10:09, keep up the good work, you make a great point!Posted by RickyLee on November 5, 2007 12:31 PM
We have no need for masse deportation. Once you cut off the employment, welfare, drivers license, they we leave in mass. Any of them that don't leave we can deport.
When they leave we can hand them the necessary documents to apply for citizenship legally. How is that for being compassionate?Posted by jgd777 on November 5, 2007 12:40 PM
HR1955, that is House of Representatives resolution 1955 could make disagreeing with ulimited amnesty for illegal aliens a Federal Offense. If the federal government passes an amnesty and someone was to say it was terrible for our nation and suggest that someone should forcefully stop it, they could be prosecuted under the provisions of the Patriot Act. Thus, if this bill passes, you could be imprisoned without habeus corpus for thinking out loud that you hate illegal immigration.Posted by on November 5, 2007 01:09 PM
No.. it's illegal..ALIENS ..not immigrants
If, they become legal its..then immigrants.
They use the word "immigrant" as not to
offend.. because the illegals don't like the word ALIENS.Posted by on November 5, 2007 02:45 PM
What open border advocates and unlimited immigration folks don't want you to know
John W. Slagle
October 28, 2007
Recently Mexican President Calderon has been very outspoken, critical on U.S. Immigration law enforcement efforts and supports Amnesty for all illegal aliens from Mexico residing, working in this nation.
Contrary to popular belief, Mexico has very strict immigration laws which are enforced by every police agency in the country. The Bureau of Immigration can call upon any law enforcement officer to assist in their mission. Citizens from the United States traveling in Mexico without proper documents, work permits or non immigrant visas are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.
The laws regarding foreign national visitors, immigrants, non-citizens are as clear and concise in Mexico as are our own U.S. laws which are considered unenforceable by many politicians in Washington, D.C.
* Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion (General Law on Population) in Spanish dated Abril 14 de 2000 Capitulo Quinto --Migracion Seccion 1
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress."
Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy."
The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest."
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants.
A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity.
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number.
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be Imprisoned. Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned.
Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different is subject to fine and imprisonment.
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as Felons. Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished.
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years.
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison . Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population States…
"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally."
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. Foreigners who have contempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported.
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals .Under the law, A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison.
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. The general immigration laws of Mexico are very similar to 8 U.S. Codes of the I&N Act. The review of basic Immigration laws of various nations including Mexico have been researched by various authors including Professor Michael Waller and Reports for U.S. Congress. Open border advocates, special interest groups in the United States do not appreciate this information made public although the facts have been readily available and widely distributed. Condemning U.S. Laws as cruel and inhumane lacks any measure of common sense when the majority of nations in the world including Mexico have very strict immigration policies.
1, J. Michael Waller
Walter and Leonore Annenberg Professor of International Communication
The Institute of World Politics
1521 16th Street NW
Washington, DC 20036
2, Personal LEO experience, Intelligence information exchanged on arrests of Special Interest OTM illegal aliens arrested by Policia Federal Mexico in transit to the U.S. 1998-2000. Immigration checkpoints, railroads, bus stations, detention of non Mexican foreign nationals held for security purposes, false documentation to human trafficking in Mexico. Arizona HIDTA Intelligence Center. 2001, HQ WRO Interpol information worldwide on human trafficking arrests in Europe, Central America to Maritime arrests in the South Pacific. Illegal Immigration is a very real global problem country to country from the UK to the Mid East.
3, Report for Congress April 2006. Directorate of Legal Research LL File # 2006-02877 titled Immigration Law Sanctions and Enforcement in Selected Foreign Countries...Brazil, Egypt, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, and Switzerland. 2006-02877
Under Mexico, page 16 , the immigration laws of Mexico is contained within the general population act of Jan. 7, 1994. Section C. Sanctions , Article 6, Federal Penal Code, Article 140. D. Illegal entry is a crime in Mexico (delito) subject to imprisonment for up to 2 years.
© 2007 John W. Slagle - All Rights Reserved
John W. Slagle is a U.S. Navy Aviation Veteran, Commercial Pilot, Multi-Engines rated and was a Firefighter, Engineer Lt. prior to United States Border Patrol service spanning 30 years. Duties included Agent/Medic, Special Tracking and Rescue Unit, Intelligence Officer, Sector Pilot to Criminal Investigator.
Slagle spent 12 years in undercover operations nationwide as a Special Agent, Anti-Smuggling Operations involving organized human trafficking, narcotics, certified Master Gun Smith and second degree Nidan black belt Goshin Iaido.
YOUR human Beans did not have permission to ENTER USA.
They were not sponsored, invited,
nor are they accepted!!