February 19, 2009 8:49 AM
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If you've been keeping up with the News' reporting on the Dave Matthews Band, you won't find anything new here. But with the release of the band's tour schedule for the summer comes a number of panicked emails, so let's recap.
First off, as fan John Diak points out, this has become the DMB norm of late -- the initial press release with dates doesn't include Denver dates, which are later added.
Second, forget Red Rocks for 2009 -- the DMB is not playing there, period (though, as we've also reported, we'll have four nights of Phish there to be announced soon).
The DMB is holding at least one and possibly two Pepsi Center dates for September, but those dates are still in limbo. The reason: Dave played two of his most successful dates here last year, headlining the Mile High Music Festival (which is available on DVD) and headlining Red Rocks for the Democratic National Convention. The worry is overplaying the Denver market.
Even before the economy tanked, Matthews had concerns. Last June, just before the Mile High appearance, he'd noticed a dropoff in the concert business.
"The economy isn't looking as bad as it did for a while but people aren't necessarily rushing out to see live music the way they had maybe 10 years ago. We're seeing a little bit of slow in some of the markets," he told me at the time. "I'm sure it's combination of us having old asses and the market moving slower. It was still surprising for us. Sales this year have been really good, but overall there's a slack in a lot of the live music, a lot of tours."
So like many bands in these uncertain economic times, DMB is moving cautiously. Based on the emails the demand is still there, and based on my industry sources the enthusiasm is still there, so I think it's likely September will come through. But like everything in this economy, there are no sure things.
Addendum: Wishing I could find the live version of Bartender from the DNC concert last August at Red Rocks, but I can't. Here's the version from Folsom Field a few years ago. What I love about this is Bartender was unreleased at the time, but the Lillywhite Sessions bootleg had leaked -- so the whole crowd screams in instant recognition. That's how strong the fanbase is here in Colorado.
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February 19, 2009
11:30 AM
JS writes:
Based on this and the announced dates, it's clear we won't get DMB headlining the Mile High Music Fest again this year. I know dates have been announced, but what are the rumors as to who will top the bill for this year's fest??
Last year there seemed to be some word that Phish would do it, but Red Rocks seems to be all but officially announced. Who else touring this summer could we expect in July?
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Dave writes:
Thanks for the update. It's good to know I'm not alone in missing a Colorado date. I just don't get the idea that they overplay this market. People in Indiana had no idea who DMB was back in 93 and 94 and they were playing here 5-10 times a year. Yet Indiana is there with two nights every summer.
I don't think anybody will come out and say it, but I think our market just doesn't have a good enough outside music venue that caters to the size of a DMB audience. Sure, Red Rocks is awesome but it doesn't make much sense economically (unless they charge 3 digits per ticket). Fiddler's sucks and the developers of Dick's really dropped the ball when they went for aesthetic over sound with those metal things hovering above it. Hence why I have to travel to see DMB every year. Here's to Albuquerque and St. Louis.
February 19, 2009
1:46 PM
Mark_Brown writes:
I should have added that, JS -- DMB is definitely not part of the Mile High Music Fest, I'll make a new post about what I know about that event. And Dave, you're right -- much as DMB loves Red Rocks (and I'm sure will be there again someday for a multi-night run), the band needs something that makes economic sense (hence Folsom Field a few years back). Some alternative venues were considered this year, but if we get a date, it's the Pepsi Center. The show there with Warren Haynes a few years back was pretty sweet.
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BIGi'dphish writes:
JS, iv heard on multiple occasions that theres a good chance Widespread Panic will be headlining both nights of the MHMF. take that for what its worth thogh its nothing official. and yes Dave i'm with you, here's to a show in utah and a potential/very hopeful Alpine Valley!!!
February 19, 2009
3:24 PM
Mark_Brown writes:
Yes, BIG, we reported Widespread nearly a month ago.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/23/parker-massive-burrito-wins-by-a-tko/
As promised, I'll do that MHMF update now.
February 19, 2009
4:50 PM
Bonji writes:
I'm somewhat shocked that a discussion of whether or not DMB is coming to Denver warrants something in the news.
February 19, 2009
5:19 PM
Recently Rocks writes:
There's no way DMB could overplay the Denver market, EVER, if they played Red Rocks. They would sell out 3 nights year after year after year. The die hard fans like myself though would rather get on a plane and fly to another state to see them rather than go to that crappy indoor tin can they call the Pepsi Center. Every single fan I know from Seattle to Omaha to NYC to Tampa would hop a plane to Denver if they were playing Red Rocks. The Pepsi Center? Even people who live in Denver don't want to go. Bummer. Another bummer is that even when they play the crappy Pepsi Center they play it on a weeknight making it very difficult to pull people like me down from the mountains.
February 19, 2009
8:38 PM
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February 19, 2009
9:28 PM
jdiak writes:
As Mr. Brown indicates the band has a habit of not releasing Colorado dates with the initial schedule or not playing this market.
2004 - No Dave In Colorado
2005 - Added Red Rocks dates late
2006 - Two Nights at Pepsi - these dates were released with initial tour schedule
2007 - No Dave in Colorado
2008 - Late add for the Mile High Festival
2009 - ???
Denver is a regional show - drawing people from the surrounding states (Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, New Mexico, and eastern Utah). There is very limited ability for this region to overcome the lack of Denver date by a taking a reasonable road trips to "one of eight shows within a 2 1/2 to 3 hour radius" the East Coast is afforded.
I discount the fact that the Democratic show (closed event) and the Mile High Festival (day long event broadcast on the net) would create oversaturation in this market. The festival market brings a different demographic together and potentially crowds out Dave fans (like me) who enjoy the structure of a traditional Dave show.
I think Dave has a problem in Colorado - there are no good, economical, outdoor venues that lend itself to Dave playing here. In order to play Red Rocks, Dave would either have to: substanially increase ticket prices (will not happen), increase revenue in other ways (done thru two CD releases and a DVD release), or accept the fact that he will not make as much in order to play at Red Rocks (Done this before). There are only so many ways to justify playing Red Rocks and making it a good business decision.
If Red Rocks were 20,000 seat venue, Colorado would have an annual 3 night stand every year.
February 20, 2009
10:11 AM
Mark_Brown writes:
I thought the Folsom Field concert was great, and I know they've looked at other large venues like that.
The only reason we get DMB at Red Rocks at all anymore is because they just love playing the place.
February 20, 2009
11:27 AM
jdiak writes:
I thought the Folsom Field concert was great as well. That was 2001 - different place in their career, different time, different economy. That tour was stadium shows - multi nights in the larger markets. I do not think Dave could pull off a tour like that today.
Today, the locals could sell out one night at Pepsi with a second night having strong sales due to repeat business. Folsom has a 53,000+ capacity which would be a stretch to fill.
I agree about Red Rocks but the last visit they leveraged the DVD and CD release with the three shows to make the revenue shortfall more palatable. I hope they continue to give us a few Red Rocks shows every few years.
February 20, 2009
12:58 PM
OldJoe writes:
Percussionist Sunny Ortiz proclaimed "I can't tell you the exact dates that we'll have for Red Rocks, I can guarantee that we will be there during the summer of 2009." Panic always plays the last weekend in June at Red Rocks. With that, do you think they would come back 3 weeks later to play in the MHMF. And Dave is not just overplayed in Denver...he's just overplayed. Go back to Red Rocks 1995. If you can bring that band back, I would be upset about missing out on them. As for the Phish dates...when's that comin out?
February 20, 2009
1:33 PM
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---Percussionist Sunny Ortiz proclaimed "I can't tell you the exact dates that we'll have for Red Rocks, I can guarantee that we will be there during the summer of 2009." ---
I'm told that's just not happening.
February 20, 2009
7:33 PM
Dave writes:
Old Joe - I will always have an attachment to the DMB of the old days, but I think you could make the same case for Panic. Give me Panic of 5 years ago and I'd be happier with two nights at Mile High too. As for Phish - it's really cool they're back together and touring, but with no new album, I'm feeling it will be more nostalgia than any new excitement. (Probably just a way to recoup some of the money they lost in the stock market the past year.)
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If widespread headlines both days of Mile High Music Festival, i will cut my nuts off. I'm okay with one day, but two days of Widespread? they can get someone better.
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