November 15, 2006 5:45 AM
18,000 votes and NOT counting
A projected 18,000 voters did not cast ballots in Denver during an election day characterized by long waits due to computer problems, reports Ann Imse.
The Denver Election Commission is still counting, but it now knows it received nearly 162,000 ballots, or a 60 percent turnout. It had forecast a 66 percent turnout, or 180,000 votes.While no one can say exactly how many electors abandoned their place in line, the 18,000- vote shortfall provides the most solid estimate to date.
Also: Denver clerk and recorder Wayne Vaden, chairman of the Denver Election Commission, resigned, reports Bill Scanlon.
PREVIOUSLY
Bar-code misprints on 70,000 absentee ballots are the culprit for Denver's week-long delay in reporing election results, Ann Imse reports.
If you didn't vote on Election Day, share your story/outrage with Rocky reporter Ann Imse, who's been covering the voting mess since Election Night. E-mail Ann here:
Sequoia Voting Systems misprinted the bar codes and mailed out the absentee ballots directly to voters under a contract with Denver.The Denver Election Commission learned that the Sequoia scanner could not sort ballots when it tried a test count Oct. 19, election commission executive director John Gaydeski said Monday.
Because the commission had been mailing absentee ballots for nearly two weeks, it decided it would have to hand-sort them.
Mike Littwin's take:
Because of the bar-code misprints, each time they scanned a ballot, instead of coming out, say, "Ken Gordon for secretary of state," it would read "$2.79 for a gallon of Robinson's milk."The problem could have been solved a long time ago. Instead of calling the IT guy, somebody should have called King Soopers. There's a woman on cash register 4 at my store who's a computer whiz.
And it appears the technology guy who has been suspended because of the fiasco overstated his job experience in a 2001 job application to the city of Denver, report Alan Gathright and Lou Kilzer.
As the votes trickle in, more officials are calling for a revamping of Denver's election system, specifically doing away with the election commission in favor of an elected clerk who would have authority over the electoral process, reports Daniel Chacon.
November 7, 2006
8:26 AM
Hank writes:
No, because I voted early. There was a line for that, but at least the machine went smoothly. Even a dumbie like me could operate it. Sure hope there aren't too many irregularities in voting as was predicted.
November 7, 2006
8:44 AM
Anonymous writes:
Crazy liberals all over downtown screaming and yelling and threatening those that vote republican. Typical loon brigades
November 7, 2006
9:01 AM
Christina Gilford writes:
This morning where I have voted for at least the last 6 elections in my neighborhood. I was told my polling place had changed. I had to vote somewhere else this smellslike voter tampering.
Someone is tyring to hinder our district from getting out the vote because most of the nieghborhood is senior citizens and low income but we are people with a strong voting record. Who do vote Shame Shame!!
This is outrageous!
Christina Gilford
November 7, 2006
9:35 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
20 minute line, but everything went smoothly. Next time I will vote early, so I can choose the day of the week. Tuesday is my busiest day.
November 7, 2006
9:52 AM
jay writes:
I voted early, but I walked the dogs by one of our local polling places in urban Denver and....surprise...there was an enormous line and a machine was down...exactly mirroring the problems seen at this location in 2004.
November 7, 2006
10:09 AM
Anonymous writes:
I am sure that if there are any problems, it will all be blamed on some vast conspiracy of Christians, gays, the Broncos or the taliban.
November 7, 2006
10:12 AM
Anonymous writes:
Voted at Boulder High School and I was in and out in 1/2 hour, no problems (they had plenty of paper ballots), and the only line I had to wait in was about 2 minutes waiting for an open booth.
8:44/9:17
You are a loser
November 7, 2006
10:25 AM
Tbone writes:
You are in idiot. Your voting rights and reproductive rights have been suspended indefinately.
November 7, 2006
10:28 AM
Tbone writes:
sorry, I was referring to 917/844
November 7, 2006
10:33 AM
Monica writes:
I live in Ft. Collins. Both my husband and I experienced problems with finding our names in the system. In both cases, two letters in our respective first names were reversed. We've never had that problem before, and have not changed our information recently. Also, every Diebold machines at the East Harmony location broke down as soon as the polls opened at 7am.
November 7, 2006
10:34 AM
Lynn Bronikowski writes:
I voted at 10 a.m. at Precinct No. 422 at the Meadow Hills Golf Course in Southeast Aurora. No problems; no wait. The only tough part was staying off the golf course on this beautiful day.
November 7, 2006
10:40 AM
David Hakala writes:
I voted absentee weeks ago, but I mosied over to my polling center in Denver to see what was up. The lines weren't too bad.
But people were giving wide berth to one old man with wire-rimmed glasses, wearing a long black smock, who repeatedly cried as he punched buttons on the voting machine,
"The power of Christ compels you!
The power of CHRIST compels you!
The power of Christ COMPELS you!"
November 7, 2006
10:46 AM
Anonymous writes:
Voted early and had no problems at all. Personally think this is the way to go.
November 7, 2006
10:57 AM
Anonymous writes:
MY LIFE FOR YOU PELOSI,,,MY LIFE FOR YOU
November 7, 2006
11:53 AM
Anonymous writes:
NO PROBLEMS, except that the major candidates for governor are morons. I voted third party all the way
November 7, 2006
12:23 PM
Anonymous writes:
Way to throw away your vote!
While you're giving away everything of value, if you have any cash you need to get rid of, let me know I'll take it off your hands.
November 7, 2006
12:25 PM
Roger writes:
Denver voters are being disenfranchised!!!!!!!!!!
UPDATE: Laura Ingraham has asked her listeners to call the Dem Voter protection hotline — and they are now being flooded with calls from crank callers. Please call Laura and tell her what you think about this: 800.876.4123. You can e-mail her here. Apparently, voter intimidation and fraud are a joke to Laura Ingraham. Let's let her know that it is no joke.
UPDATE #2: More on Laura Ingraham: "caller indicated she is running a tape of Bill Clinton over and over saying "call 1-888 Dem Vote to report problems" — and then making fun of him, thus producing a spike in crank calls to the number" Protecting voter integrity is no joke. And I am not laughing. If anyone has audio of this, I'd love it.
November 7, 2006
12:35 PM
Jeff writes:
No problems other than Dems trying to block my 'W' sticker'd car from parking spots. Expected reactions from a lost, directionless party.
No plan, no real argument, and purely anti-Bush... If Dems win just expect higher taxes, more terrorism and postponement of the inevitable continuance on the War on Terror when the GOP is voted back in.
Good Luck America!
November 7, 2006
12:40 PM
Anonymous writes:
Now the dems are suing the keep open the polls till 9, when its a national 7 closing time. Whats next, extend the vote till next week,,,just to make sure., party of douche bag losers
November 7, 2006
12:41 PM
Anonymous writes:
Waaa, I'm being disenfranchised, see they're disenfranchising me!
Monty Python, The quest for The Holy Vote
November 7, 2006
12:53 PM
JW writes:
"Now the dems are suing the keep open the polls till 9, when its a national 7 closing time. Whats next, extend the vote till next week,,,just to make sure., party of douche bag losers"
Only in America could someone be stupid enough to bash a party for insuring you get to vote, just because they arent YOUR party.
God damn you are a total moron.
November 7, 2006
1:10 PM
Anonymous writes:
I think the probem is that the Dems are trying to redefine "your right to vote" to mean anything to get them more votes.
Which is foolish since most workers are Republicans and can now vote after a full day of contributing instead of demanding.
There has to be rules to run an election or else it will be chaos.
November 7, 2006
1:16 PM
Anonymous writes:
Voting was the easy part. Maneuvering around the legions of Dem lawyers poised to scream "Voter Intimidation" each time someone sneezes was challenging.
Dems are stupid.
November 7, 2006
1:20 PM
Chris H writes:
I got frustrated with Election DAY many years ago, and started voting absentee so I wouldn't forget about voting, or be stressed to get the polls in time. They've made it easier to get absentee ballots and they now have early voting, which is good.
We need more awareness of early voting, and election day should actually be two-three days long. Maybe something similar to Australia, where elections are on Saturdays - we could have Election WEEKENDS - All day Sat and Sun to vote, and all campaigning has to cease Friday at midnight.
Our nation has a horrible average voter turnout - even Iran obstensively has better turnout than we do.
November 7, 2006
1:22 PM
Karen writes:
I coulda kicked myself for not voting early. At Botanic Gardens I waited 1 hr. and 40 minutes. Ridiculous 3 step process with access to online registration lists impeded by (1) volunteers who are too slow;(2) server problems; and, (3) only 4 computers to access registration info. and (5)no hard copies of registration lists.
November 7, 2006
1:29 PM
Tbone writes:
I just got a message from my girlfriend, she was in line to vote when she was told "the whole city server is down", and that no one can vote, so everyone is leaving the polling place.
Can this incompetent bunch of arrogant republicans (ie, Gigi Dennis) get anything right?
Repubs are stupid.
November 7, 2006
1:35 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tboner - Dems run the City and County of Denver. It was the City's computer that glitched. Put blame where it is earned moron.
November 7, 2006
1:41 PM
Anonymous writes:
It doesn't matter what party you are - you shouldn't have to drive across the city three times to vote. The Denver Election Commission should make sure the power works before 7am. I had to go to three vote centers this morning before I could vote because the first two centers were having power and list problems. I stood in line for almost two hours at the third. It isn't that hard to do a test run and make sure things run when all the machines are plugged in. There are two days a year that we vote and the DEC should spend the remaining 363 making sure things run smoothly on those days. They are idiots and need to be recalled.
November 7, 2006
1:42 PM
Eric writes:
I guess you hold an election with the voting system you have...and not the one you need.
November 7, 2006
1:43 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
even Iran obstensively has better turnout than we do.
Posted by Chris H on November 7, 2006 01:20 PM
North Korea and Saddam's Iraq had 100% turnout and the incumbent won 100% of the vote.
November 7, 2006
1:50 PM
JW writes:
YEA! Dont you know nothing Chris!! Hogar is right! If they dont vote for who we want, it aint real democracy!
November 7, 2006
1:50 PM
Anonymous writes:
Do you really think the RMN blog crowd waited until today to vote? I voted two weeks ago and there were no lines. I also insisted on paper and ink.
November 7, 2006
1:53 PM
Anonymous writes:
Let me get this straight -
If someone holds an opinion different than your own, they are a moron.
If you had to wait to vote it is some type of tragedy from which you won't recover.
Seriously, folks. Get a grip.
You should thank your lucky stars you are in a country where people can have a difference of opinion and not be jailed for it.
You should be thankful that the hardest part of voting was waiting.
You should remember that people have died protecting this right.
November 7, 2006
1:59 PM
Anonymous writes:
Me and most my "lib" friends voted early or did an absentee ballot. Also we are requesting everyone that can bring your camcorder. If there are ANY irregularities we want have video proof. Let's have a good vote and express the will of the people. If they try to block you from voting make a fuss so someone can video tape it.
November 7, 2006
2:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
Dems want special privileges - its just their way. They want the polls to stay open longer so they can squeeze in a few more limo rides filled with juiced up voters with bilingual instructions which buttons to push.
Ole
November 7, 2006
2:08 PM
Jason writes:
This voting center idea in Denver was absolutely atrocious. My wife and I headed to the polls at 11:50am. We waited in line for an hour, made it to the front, and the computers promptly went down. The "election officials" were unable to check the precinct that we live in.
We waited for an additional 40 minutes while the system was restored. It took us upwards of two hours to cast our vote. This was a complete and utter disgrace as we were able to vote in about 15 minutes two years ago. I give this new voting center an F.
November 7, 2006
2:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
Oh yes, video cameras in the polling places! Great idea!
What's next, knock on the door from the special police when you vote incorrectly?
Or would you like to inspect every ballot personally to make sure people voted "correctly?"
I believe that's how Saddam got elected, and re-elected, and re-elected, and re-elected, and, well you get my point.
You've already got the mindset that if you lose it's fraud. Well guess what? Not everyone shares your ideas and there are going to be some big surprises tonight!
November 7, 2006
2:31 PM
Anonymous writes:
For you whiners and procrastators.
QUIT YOUR BITCHING. I am pretty sure that it is not the city, county, or state's fault if you waited until the last minute to vote. This is the problem with people, always wanting and eager to place blame everywhere except where it belongs. Squarely with the voter. Vote early you morons and quit your bitching
November 7, 2006
2:31 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
1:53 PM - Well said.
If you all are so pissed that you had to be inconvenienced for a few moments to vote, get off your ass and either vote early or use an absentee ballott!
It's unbelieveable you get your panties in a bunch if things don't exactly as you think they should. Heaven forbid you have to give your country a few minutes of your time. How much has it given to you?
SHAME!!!
November 7, 2006
2:35 PM
Anonymous writes:
Not only liberals own camcorders. If you have a problem you can report it. The rest of your statements are unfounded garbage. I like the little dig on Hispanics too. I think every Hispanic should take a long look at how they are viewed by the Conservatives and think about supporting Liberals like your life is at stake, because it is. The Nazis used Jews as scapegoats so don't take this crap lightly because it can get out of hand.
November 7, 2006
2:43 PM
Eric writes:
Of course Democrats will be more upset by 2-hour lines at polling places and electronic systems crashing. We, you know, work for a living and have busy lives. It's not all limo-rides and bilingual instructors (how bizarre is that claim by the way... yikes!).
Voting should be pretty straightforward- you go to a polling place, have your identity checked, then fill out a ballot that leaves a paper trail and can be re-verified if a recount is necessary. I'm pretty sure that's closer to the foundational vision of our democracy instead of: "Vote early or don't complain losers!" I think a lot of Republican supporters are presaging the sour moods they'll be in tomorrow... and in 2008. Two more years of war and Executive obstinance will make it even harder to try and divide the electorate over relatively pointless wedge issues. People are smart enough to (eventually) figure out the real challenges our country faces: Iraq and wasteful spending and oil addiction... not-so-much Terry Schiavo and gay marriage.
November 7, 2006
2:51 PM
LD writes:
The DEMS want special priviledges? What a bunch of garbage. Everyone knows that Republicans are more likely to undermine an election. An Example of this was in the last election in Washington State. In the Governor's race, the Dem's followed the law, But it was the Republican's who wanted "special priviledges" in the last election in Washington State and then made a big stink about alleged fraud which fell apart in court.
The Rep's are going to be guilty again of voter fraud here. The difference is that this time they're going to be held accountable.
Colorado should dump the machines and go to an all vote by mail system like in Oregon and Washington. No line up's and no machine fraud.
The Republican Party stinks.
November 7, 2006
2:52 PM
Anonymous writes:
Voting early has nothing to do with party politics, job status, or national decent. It has to do with foresight or lack thereof. Of the 1.9 million registered voters, only 900,000 didn't take advantage of the early voting. Just becaue this minorty didn't take advantage is not reason enough to point fingers at the government. What is more sadening is that those who don't have the foresight to vote early are now voting to help elect leaders that will dictate policy over those who were smart enough to vote early. How scary is that?
November 7, 2006
2:57 PM
Anonymous writes:
The only wasted vote is the one that you cast simply to deny the other from winning you idiot (12:23). The defintion of insanty is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting diferent results. Party politics only work if morons like you let them. Vote your conscious and watch the country improve.
November 7, 2006
2:58 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
Eric - Liberal democrats (as opposed to blue dog democrats) don't worry so much about work as they do trying to redistribute wealth to those they find deserving (not say as capitalism suggests: according to who earned it).
Republicans also are working! Save your pithy comebacks for your cosmopolitan martini hour with your ultra-liberal metropolitans who think they are smarter than everyone else and know how better to spend our money!
2:51 pm, Oh yeah, Colorado should be more like the liberal bastions of Oregon and Washington (did he ever point out a fact in his rant or simply make unfounded and emotional accusations).
Colorado is not like the great liberal northwest because thankfully, we have more common sense republicans here (look at Colorado Springs! That is a wonderful place to work and live).
November 7, 2006
2:58 PM
am 760 writes:
Everyone better fill up on gas today because the repubs won't need you tomorrow. They will start jacking up the prices immediately to keep lining their pockets with the middle classes hard earned wages.
November 7, 2006
3:00 PM
LD writes:
One more thought here for everyone. It's going to be very enlightening to see how Sec. of State Gigi Dennis (who is Republican appointed) manages this situation.
It is her duty to manage this impartially here in Colorado. I'd hate to see another situation, much like the one where Florida Sec. of State Katherine Harris in 2000 undermined an election for her party.
Gigi Dennis needs to keep this election honest and above board, period. Anything less is going to smell partisan.
November 7, 2006
3:01 PM
Craig writes:
The parking meter idiots can find me when I don't pay a ticket but I go to vote and suddenly I'm not registered. Great system!
November 7, 2006
3:01 PM
am 760 writes:
PTSF, you need some psychological help. You are not connected to reality.
November 7, 2006
3:03 PM
Craig writes:
The parking meter idiots can find me when I don't pay a parking ticket but whe I go to vote suddenly I'm not registered in denver... Great System!
November 7, 2006
3:03 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
Oh look, Air America (a/k/a am 760) has joined the discussion with the exact type of scare tactics he accuses the republicans of.
Can you say "hypocrisy?"
November 7, 2006
3:04 PM
Craig writes:
The parking meter idiots can find me when I don't pay a parking ticket but whe I go to vote suddenly I'm not registered in denver... Great System!
November 7, 2006
3:05 PM
Craig writes:
The parking meter idiots can find me when I don't pay a parking ticket but whe I go to vote suddenly I'm not registered in denver... Great System!
November 7, 2006
3:05 PM
Craig writes:
The parking meter idiots can find me when I don't pay a parking ticket but whe I go to vote suddenly I'm not registered in denver... Great System!
November 7, 2006
3:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
"Peace Through Superior Firepower'.... that's a good mantra, it has always worked in the past...
I personally think "you can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace"
November 7, 2006
3:08 PM
Anonymous writes:
"Peace through firepower". Actually what you describe as "Liberal democrats" actually sounds like Communism. I don't share any of the political ideology you ignorantly ascribe to me, did Rush tell you what I think on the radio today or what?
November 7, 2006
3:10 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
am 760, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black?
I guess the only way you have left to argue is name calling and questioning mental stability, seeing as how your arguments fall apart under mere rational scrutiny.
Not surprising. Disappointing, but not surprising.
November 7, 2006
3:16 PM
Anonymous writes:
3:07 and 3:08 pm
Since you can't identify yourselves, you obviously haven't the courage of your convictions.
Liberal democrats are further along toward communisim than any other ideaologoue.
3.07, you obviously don't understand the meaning of the name if you think that bombing is the only thing that means.
Let me know if I have to explain it to you - I'll be sure to use monosyballic terms to ensure your comprehension!
November 7, 2006
3:17 PM
history buff writes:
I voted early because I was sent two different notices of where to vote. I was sure to find the County Clerk's office.
It is ashame there are problems with voting on the day of the election. This isn't some third world country. We don't lower ourselves to their standards. We say we are the best country in the world because of our democracy. Voting should not have the irregularities reported here.
I hope there is an objective post mortum, not more political BS.
November 7, 2006
3:19 PM
Eric writes:
Oh yeah PTSB, I wouldn't call: "Liberal democrats...blue dog democrats... cosmopolitan martini hour...ultra-liberal metropolitans" name calling. You're certainly a bastion of rational discourse!
November 7, 2006
3:22 PM
jay writes:
How dare the folks that waited until today to vote demand competency from the people running the voting centers!!!
I mean, come on...it's not as if these people knew that there was an election today! Do you dreamers somehow believe that they had months to prepare and test the voting apparatus so things could go smoothly?!?
It's not as if an accurate voting process is guaranteed in the Constiution or anything.
November 7, 2006
3:22 PM
Ted Haggard writes:
we have more common sense republicans here (look at Colorado Springs! That is a wonderful place to work and live).
Posted by Peace Through Superior Firepower on November 7, 2006 02:58 PM
I hear ya, you can party in Denver on Saturday and get back to the Springs for your lemming training on Sunday
November 7, 2006
3:24 PM
history buff writes:
Did you know that the Colorado Constitution prohibits the detonation of nuclear devices within the boarders of the state?
November 7, 2006
3:25 PM
Eric writes:
As a point of historical fact: our country was established as a liberal (the society is best served if everyone pursues their individual interests) democracy (we get to vote). Conservatism was imagined later after the French Revolution by people who wanted to retain "traditional values" like.... ummm.. the monarchy.
Saying "Liberal Democrats" are the closest ideology to Communism is about as useful as saying the Christian near-Theocracy we have now is the closest ideology to the Taliban.
November 7, 2006
3:26 PM
am 760 writes:
PTSF, there you go again showing your disconnect w/ reality. What scare tactics did I use. I just pointed out you have no connection to reality and w/ each post you prove my point.
I've worked in the health care industry for 20 years, helping the sick and less fortunate. I received one tax cut over the past 6 years, a whooping $300, that I had to report on my next years taxes. With higher gas and home heating prices over the past couple years do you really think you receive more back in taxes w/ your beloved republicans in charge.
If your so naive to not see how the republicans manipulate the weak minded, I guess there is no help for you. Just keep voting against your own best interests.
Wake up and go spread your smear, fear and hate ( the repub game plan)somewhere else.
November 7, 2006
3:27 PM
Kimberly writes:
It was easy. It took about 45 minutes total, but who cares? It's worth it to get to vote!! Besides, it's not like I couldn't have voted earlier. I just happen to like going on Election Day and being a part of it all.
No intimidation, no one trying to steal my vote, or sense of disenfranchisement where I was. It was beautiful to see people of all colors and parties gathering together peacefully to vote.
What a great country we live in!
November 7, 2006
3:29 PM
Aaron Talbot writes:
I got to Wash Park Rec Center at 12:50pm to vote. The line did extend out the door about 50 feet but it was a lot less than earlier in the AM when I drove by to work. Anyway, things seemed to progressing well as at about the 15 minute mark the line had moved halfway. I figured another 15 mins and I'd be done. But all the sudden the line just stopped moving. Finally about 1:20 some other voters at the front of the line started filing out and telling us that the machines were down. Based on the fact that the line had stopped moving at 1:05, that means the machines had been down for 15mins. How come a voting official didn't come out right away and update us on the situation? Instead we had to rely on fellow voters and waste our time. Now I don't even know if I'll get to vote considering the massive lines there will be at 5pm and things I have to get done this evening. The City of Denver definitely dropped the ball on this huge ballot day.
November 7, 2006
3:30 PM
Aaron Talbot writes:
I got to Wash Park Rec Center at 12:50pm to vote. The line did extend out the door about 50 feet but it was a lot less than earlier in the AM when I drove by to work. Anyway, things seemed to progressing well as at about the 15 minute mark the line had moved halfway. I figured another 15 mins and I'd be done. But all the sudden the line just stopped moving. Finally about 1:20 some other voters at the front of the line started filing out and telling us that the machines were down. Based on the fact that the line had stopped moving at 1:05, that means the machines had been down for 15mins. How come a voting official didn't come out right away and update us on the situation? Instead we had to rely on fellow voters and waste our time. Now I don't even know if I'll get to vote considering the massive lines there will be at 5pm and things I have to get done this evening. The City of Denver definitely dropped the ball on this huge ballot day.
November 7, 2006
3:30 PM
Aaron Talbot writes:
I got to Wash Park Rec Center at 12:50pm to vote. The line did extend out the door about 50 feet but it was a lot less than earlier in the AM when I drove by to work. Anyway, things seemed to progressing well as at about the 15 minute mark the line had moved halfway. I figured another 15 mins and I'd be done. But all the sudden the line just stopped moving. Finally about 1:20 some other voters at the front of the line started filing out and telling us that the machines were down. Based on the fact that the line had stopped moving at 1:05, that means the machines had been down for 15mins. How come a voting official didn't come out right away and update us on the situation? Instead we had to rely on fellow voters and waste our time. Now I don't even know if I'll get to vote considering the massive lines there will be at 5pm and things I have to get done this evening. The City of Denver definitely dropped the ball on this huge ballot day.
November 7, 2006
3:31 PM
am 760 writes:
PTSF, how about Peace through Economic and Social Equality. Oh yeah I forget your a republican, you don't believe in those things.
November 7, 2006
3:32 PM
jay writes:
Kimberly...out of curiosity...did you vote in the burbs or the city?
November 7, 2006
3:34 PM
adam writes:
This polarization stuff is a bunch of crap and worthless. "You Moron" You Idiot" You're stupid" "You're dumb". This gets us no where. Lets all just agree that we are glad we all have the right as legal US citezens to vote and cast our opinion.
If people want change we can make a change. If people want things to continue then they continue the way they are. These are the joys of living in a democracy.
Democrats, stop whining about fraud and irregularities all the time. Stop making basless acusations(better SHOW proof!) and throwing out conspiracy Theories. Republicans, stop calling names and feeling so riteous all the time. Today will be the day we all learn what the pulse of the country is feeling. Whatever the outcome, live with it. And if you didnt vote, then dont complain.
November 7, 2006
3:39 PM
Todd writes:
I voted 1 week ago... Monday... at the University & I-25 station and had to wait in line for 1 hour so don't tell me voting early solves the problem. And don't say those who didn't vote early or absentee are idiots because they're not. They're used to showing up and voting in twenty minutes. And it's not merely an inconvenience having to wait 2 hours. It can cost people money or force them to choose between voting and picking their kids up from school or daycare.
I have voted here in denver since I turned 18 in 1988 and the precinct system worked much better. I never waited on election day longer than 20 minutes.
The fact that the city couldn't afford enough computers and voting machines to keep the precinct system tells you all you need to know about how important we ourselves think voting is. If we found it more important we'd hold our officials -- elected or appointed, republican or democrat -- accountable. But we wont.
BTW, to all those, left and right, bitching at each other and calling each other names, would you mind if the rest of us have a constructive discussion here?
November 7, 2006
3:42 PM
Kevin writes:
Have never seen such long lines nor heard of so many problems voting in 20 years in Denver- some judge just denied the request to extend voting hours. Boy, I'd like to hear the rationale for denying motivated citizens the right to vote. Something stinks, and the mayor and governor should both demand that the voting hours be extended.
November 7, 2006
3:43 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
Eric
You obviously don' t know what a "blue dog democrat" is, otherwise you would know that that is not name calling. It is an actual term, much like "liberal democrat" is a defining term.
Really, if you don't know what you're talking about, best to look it up before responding!
November 7, 2006
3:43 PM
Tim writes:
Voted early this morning in Lakewood, no real issues - took maybe 30 minutes. However, it would have been a lot faster if folks would have bothered to read the issues *before* showing up and cribbed up a cheat sheet. Took me less than 2 minutes in the booth, but I saw folks puzzling and reading away.
November 7, 2006
3:48 PM
jay writes:
I guess I don't understand the reason for not allowing extra time to make sure everyone that wants to vote gets the opportunity to do so.
Why not allow the voters to cast ballots from 12:00 am to 11:59 pm on election day? Do we really need the polls to close in time to watch the folks on Fox News run themselves in circles rationalizing nationwide losses tonight? I'd much rather have bettter voter turnout.
November 7, 2006
3:50 PM
Scott writes:
Voted about 8:30 in Lakewood at my regular polling place. No line!
I'm concerned abou the voting machine (iVotronic) . The review form did not show the names of the judges I voted for, I had to guess that the order was the same as presented on the ballot. The poll worker told me that another machine had the same problem. Its worrisome that all the machines didn't have the same problem, sounds like a bug in the software. I wonder if there where other bug..like in the recording
November 7, 2006
3:53 PM
3:07 writes:
3:16,
Ironic that you attack others for not posting their name, yet you just posted without a tag. That must mean that you don't have the power of your convictions.
And btw, I love single syllable words, and I would love to hear you explain your name using only those words. It must be a simple enough for you to understand, therefore along the lines of "Me good, they bad.... me kill bad... that good"
:shrug: Someday I hope you wake up and realize that the world is made up of billions of other people just trying to survive. Maybe then you will realize the error of your selfish ways.
November 7, 2006
3:55 PM
Todd writes:
Peace Through Superior Firepower, would you please stop posting? I don't think anyone cares to read your esoteric descriptions of how you've come up with perfect label everyone else but yourself. The discussion is about problems with voting today... not your egotistical attempts to show everyone how smart and informed you are.
November 7, 2006
3:56 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
am 760 I applaud your service in the health industry, but your views have obviously been influenced by what you have seen. You want to solve the problem on the micro level (the individual) without regard to what happens at the macro level (its costs to society, i.e., the rest of us).
I spread no hate or fear. I merely state the truth. If that is hate speech to you, then you must have thin skin as it is not hateful to disagree with one by showing the fallacity of their points.
Also, Peace through Equality and social justice is fine, but who is going to defend your equality when challenged by a hostile source. Hence the need for superior firepower so our enemies (yes I say our as we are both AMERICANS) will hesitate before starting a fight they cannot win and will only end in their destruction). Further, please define social justice. I fear your social justice would leave huge inequities on those who do not meet your idea of need.
Eric - the country was not founded as a liberal democracy. You need to re-read your history. IT was formed as a republic.
November 7, 2006
3:57 PM
Anonymous writes:
I say vote the judge who denied extended hours out! It's too bad people are using electronic machines to vote. They are not recording votes correctly in my opinion and now that the feds are watching them who knows what funny business they might try. Vote early and with paper and ink. That she be a no brainier.
November 7, 2006
3:57 PM
Flip Washington writes:
Ahhh . . . democracy at its finest. I think today's setbacks should only further the cause (I assume someone has made this a full blown "cause") to make the first Tuesday of November a national holiday. This will allow us to spend our day off of work standing in line, watching fellow citizens uncomfortably shifting their weight and shaking their heads while elderly poll workers frown at computer screens.
Make it a holiday and get some younger people* in there to keep the computers humming. It's the only way.
* - I hope no one takes too much offense to this thought/request - I, above all others, love and respect the volunteers at the polling places, regardless of their age. Without them, this whole process would go to absolute shit. It just seems the majority of said volunteers are of an elder demographic and are just not as skilled when it comes to computers or computer problems. A nice mix of young and old would be the way to go - and the only way to do this is with a day off (Civics Day or Voting Day or whatever you want to call it). Somebody put it on the ballot. I'm too lazy.
All The Best,
Flip
November 7, 2006
4:01 PM
jay writes:
"Hence the need for superior firepower so our enemies (yes I say our as we are both AMERICANS) will hesitate before starting a fight they cannot win and will only end in their destruction"
---Peace Through Superior Firepower
I'm absolutely okay with that. My problem with the Republican majority is that Iraq didn't attack us, had no way to attack us, and wasn't planning on attacking us. I hope it was worth losing the House this year and the Senate and Presidency in another two...but then again...it probably depends on whether or not you got a share of the pie. You don't work for Halliburton do you PTSF?
November 7, 2006
4:01 PM
Anonymous writes:
Long delay this afternoon at my polling place due to a group of evangelical ministers blocking the entrances as they looked for hot guys that had lined up to vote. Typical republican stuff, I guess.
November 7, 2006
4:04 PM
Anonymous writes:
Well thank you Todd for posting your name. And NO, I will not stop posting. If you've read my earlier posts, you would see that my point is the tiresome remarks of people whose voting experiences didn't fit in with the schedule of their day and thus must be the government's fault.
Voting is such and indescribably beautiful right that it irks me to see it complained about because it didn't fit in with picking up the kids.
Yes, Todd, I am intelligent. If you think me simply expressing my points and opinions are egotistical, perhaps you should re-evaluate your perception.
November 7, 2006
4:06 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Posted by Todd on November 7, 2006 03:39 PM
All the voting machine money for Denver got diverted for the new art museum. You have to have your priorities in order.
November 7, 2006
4:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
I don't have any sympathy for morons who know there are going to be long lines and glitches and didn't get a mail-in ballot or vote early. Get a clue for 2008. If EVERYBODY votes early the election is over by the end of Oct. No need for the hate ads and legions of lawyers.
November 7, 2006
4:07 PM
3:07 writes:
4:04 (PTSF??)
At this point all anyone hears from you is 'blah blah blah', filled with a tone of irrationality and anger that could only be the product of a Bush Republican.
November 7, 2006
4:11 PM
CC writes:
Things went great down here in Highlands Ranch - Westridge Rec Center. Although turnout was incredibly heavy the waits weren't that long. I even think Douglas Co. may approach the turnout of 96% in '04. Note that Bush won DougCo. by 65% in '04.
November 7, 2006
4:13 PM
Jose writes:
I did not have a problem at all - it went very well. Sorry to disappoint the Lib's who like to blame every one else for problems and inconveniences in their lives. If you think it is bad her you should have tried to vote in Iraq a few years ago. Thank you President Bush for all you have done!!!!!
November 7, 2006
4:14 PM
Tony writes:
Let me get this straight, spending a lot of money doesn't equate to a quality solution?
You can blame Secretary of State, Eric Clark, and the Help (or Hurt) America Vote Act of 2002, for these lovely Diebold machines we've heard so many good things about. Even after all the issues and complaints leading up to this day about them, was anything done? I think you can answer that question yourself......
November 7, 2006
4:17 PM
Anonymous writes:
Amazing how the polling spots in strongly conservative suburbia always run smoothly while the dem heavy city always seems to have problems.
Coincidence?
November 7, 2006
4:20 PM
Todd writes:
PTSF,
I voted early, as you would have seen in my original post, but had to wait 1 hour and was fortunate to have the day off of work by coincidence.
Excuse me and others if kids come ahead of spending 2 hours in line voting. If you find voting so "indescribably beautiful" then you should be all for quick efficient voting. And if we are going to have a "voting day," as we currently do, the services should be there in municipalities large and small to handle the volume of registered voters.
And yes, I think you expressing your off-topic uninformed opinions with your idiotic screen name both egotistical and unintelligent. I suspect I'm not alone, but far be it from me to express another's opinion.
November 7, 2006
4:20 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
No, Jay, I don't work for Haliburton (but that was funny though!)!!
I would love to debate that topic with you, but another day.
November 7, 2006
4:24 PM
Anonymous writes:
"And yes, I think you expressing your off-topic uninformed opinions with your idiotic screen name both egotistical and unintelligent. I suspect I'm not alone, but far be it from me to express another's opinion."
No, I agree Todd.......
November 7, 2006
4:36 PM
Anonymous writes:
CNN's early Senate exit polls
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/07/senate-exit-polls-early/
November 7, 2006
4:38 PM
maxpractical writes:
We need to have a Boston Tea party with these electronic computerized voting machines. Any nearby body of water will do.
November 7, 2006
4:41 PM
jay writes:
This is a website that lists polling places that have reported shorter lines.
Get out and vote if you haven't already.
http://www.fairvotecolorado.org/content/view/24/56/
November 7, 2006
4:50 PM
Anonymous writes:
Voting day should be a national holiday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 7, 2006
4:50 PM
Anonymous writes:
Early CNN Senate Exit Polling
VIRGINIA
D: 52
R: 47
RHODE ISLAND
D: 53
R: 46
PENNSYLVANIA
D: 57
R: 42
OHIO
D: 57
R: 43
NEW JERSEY
D: 52
R: 45
MONTANA
D: 53
R: 46
MISSOURI
D: 50
R: 48
MARYLAND
D: 53
R: 46
TENNESSEE
D: 48
R: 51
ARIZONA
D: 46
R: 50
November 7, 2006
4:58 PM
Anonymous writes:
Exit polling has been consistently wrong since 2000.
All you have to do is think about who would share that information and who values their privacy to understand that!
November 7, 2006
5:02 PM
am 760 writes:
Right on Todd at 3:55, couldn't have said it better.
November 7, 2006
5:04 PM
Dan writes:
I'm over the nitwits that are railing on people for not voting early. First off, Election Day is a day sanctioned for this particular activity. The state is REQUIRED to perform its function in giving the electorate access to voting facilities. Be it in person, absentee, or provisional, the state should be performing ITS DUTY to allow its citizens to vote in whatever way its citizens see fit, and do so in an honest, fair, and convenient manner. That is what our tax dollars pay for, and people who vote on Election Day pay the same taxes that the jerks who are bragging about voting early are. You are not superior in any way by voting early. I myself waited because I like to gather as much info as I can about the issues up to voting day. Sometimes I change my mind based on said info. If anything, that makes me a BETTER voter than you early-voting braggards. The state is not off the hook just because some people chose a method of voting that's "less convenient" for the state. It's like railing on a McDonald's customer because they asked for ketchup. It's this simple: If the state of Colorado promises the electorate it can vote on Tues. Nov. 7, and the state fails in performing said function, it owes the electorate an explanation. PERIOD.
November 7, 2006
5:08 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Based on the early CNN Senate Exit Polling, here are my predictions
VIRGINIA -R
RHODE ISLAND -RHINO
PENNSYLVANIA - D
OHIO - D
NEW JERSEY - RHINO
MONTANA - R
MISSOURI - R
MARYLAND - D
TENNESSEE - R
ARIZONA - R
And my favorite result is Jeffords replaced in Vermont
November 7, 2006
5:09 PM
Peace Through Superior Firepower writes:
3:07, Todd 4:24, and am 760,
You all have obviously met your match. A republican who won't be shouted down and meets everyone of your points with intelligent reasoned argument (of course, since it disagrees with you, you couldn't possibly give it any credit. And I'm sure anyone who agrees with you is brilliant).
I will not go away and you will be forced to deal with me! And for each one of you, I am sure there are several who agree with me!
November 7, 2006
5:11 PM
Anonymous writes:
Yes Dan I'll be holding my breath waiting for Denver to explain what happened this morning and afternoon.
In the meantime, while I'm dying, I'll try to figure out why anyone trusts the government to be 100% efficient in this one activity when they can't be 100% at anything.
If there is anything government consistently proves it's how fallible government is. It's no surprise that our state's biggest governmet, Denver, had the most problems today.
Case for reducing the size and cost government or increasing it because "I hate Bush?"
November 7, 2006
5:21 PM
Anonymous writes:
Anyone who believes exit polls, deserves the heartbreak that they cause!
November 7, 2006
5:25 PM
Dan writes:
Hey 5:11,
Not looking for 100% efficiency from the government (that is the stuff of science fiction)-- just looking for a shred of competence. And I don't want to get into a partisan debate about bigger gov't vs. smaller gov't.... that is not the point to my post. The point to my post is that people should not be insulting voters who waited until today to vote, which is completely within their right to do. Don't lay the blame for the government's foibles on these people, who should be commended for taking the time and aggravation to perform their civic duties.
November 7, 2006
5:25 PM
Kevin writes:
I actually had a good experience at the polls today. Yes, the line was a bit long at 8:30am, but that is to be expected. I really liked the new voting machines in Denver. It was a great relief to be able to see the paper trail on the tape, and to verify it before your vote was cast. It made me much more confident in the system.
I think patience is key on a day like this. People should just stick it out and not complain so much. If there is a major problem, let someone know, but don't take it out on the volunteers.
November 7, 2006
5:52 PM
Mail Vote writes:
All you people-
When are you going to learn..........vote by mail, early. Never wait in line, never find a parking space. Dooooooooooh.
November 7, 2006
6:26 PM
Anonymous writes:
Whether it takes 5 min or an hour, voting is a privilege and a duty and I’m committed to my responsibility. It’s disappointing that our community has chosen to focus on the wait instead of the issues at hand. For those who are complaining, there were other options available to them, for that, they can only blame themselves.
November 7, 2006
7:41 PM
Dobson Jr. writes:
3 fuck*ng hours here at Lodo.
If the problem was really a lck of server processing power, I am personally going to dump a bucket of dog shiite of that Sexretary of State's head.
A stinking server costs 5 thousand.
A bank of them and some Cisco routers would have cost less than that election boards catered in lunches and dinners over the last two weeks. I know, I am in the accounting department and those pigs have been feeding at more than just the public trough. They eat, and we wait.
This city sucks.
November 7, 2006
7:42 PM
Anonymous writes:
On the other hand, it is the government's responsibility to make sure that everyone who wants to vote gets that opportunity. If they are failing at that job, it is a citizen's duty to call them to task.
November 7, 2006
7:55 PM
Julio Edwards writes:
The republican secretary of state took Denver's predominantly democratic 300 or so voting precincts and cut them down to 55 pathetic "voting centers". The lines are 2-3 hours long, with 1/2 an hour left for voting. When I voted this afternoon around 2pm, the wait was one hour and less than half the machines were in use. The entire Denver city voting system went down for 20 or so minutes and tons of people walked away when they were told how long the wait would be (45 min-1 hr) then. According to KHOW radio talk show Craig Silverman, he voted in the predominantly republican suburbs and there was no waiting at all. Looks like the SOS's plan when off without a hitch, following Ohio SOS Blackwell's strategy: Disenfranchise the dems. (Blackwell was defeated tonight, so he will be investigated for the last two elections that he threw to W.)
My wife is in line now (7:30 pm), probably until 10 tonight to vote. She waited earlier today for an hour but had to get back to work.
November 7, 2006
8:16 PM
Sherri Daily writes:
My Voting experience today, November the 7th, 2006.
I cast my ballot at the closest polling place to my home, which is Fitzsimons State Veterans Home, 1919 Quentin St. Aurora Co. 80010 at aprox. 9:30 am.
While I was casting my vote on the new machine, I over heard the roaming election judge Dana Williams assisting an elderly woman in a wheelchair. Dana would read the ballots and referendums to her. When the elderly woman did not understand them, Dana would summaries in quick, often one sentence answers, that were false and misleading descriptions. Then when the lady would laugh and say she wasn't sure what to do, Dana would tell her "I put no, so put no". Or, "I put yes, so put yes". An example referendum that I overheard clearly was referendum I. After Dana read Ref.I to her, the elderly woman said she didn't understand, so Dana said "It’s just gay people who want to get married". Which is NOT what Ref. I states at all. Then when the elderly woman said she wasn't sure what to do, Dana said “I put no, so put no".
That is false and misleading information AND it is telling that woman what vote to cast. Which I am under the impression, is unconstitutional and a violation.
As soon as my vote was cast, I asked who to speak to. A woman came over and I told her about what I overheard. She said she would keep an eye out for Dana and thanked me. I told her I wanted something in writing to file a complaint, not just for someone to “keep an eye on her”. She sent me to the supervisor who gave me a complaint form to send in to the Colorado Secretary of State. There were two people sitting in the back of the room who looked "official" and I asked the supervisor if I needed to speak to them. He said no. He then stated he would keep an eye on Dana and thanked me for saying something. I asked if I needed the judge’s name or any other information for the form and again he said no.
When I got to my car I called My vote's 800 number and left the complaint on a message machine. Then I called the Board of Elections to make a complaint with them.
While on the line with Stacy from the Board of Elections, she asked me for the name of the judge. I told her I asked but that they said I didn't need it. She waited on hold while I ran back in to get Dana's name. I got it and was on my way back out to the car when both of the "official" looking people came after me. They introduced themselves as representatives of the Justice Department. I finished my call and told them of my complaint. One of which asked if the supervisor told me to speak with them and I told him that not only did they not refer me to them, but said no when I asked if I should speak with them. They took down my complaint, asked for my name, number and address and thanked me for speaking with them.
I came home and filed a complaint online through the Voter Protection line. Then called and filed a complaint with the Justice Department. I received a call back from a lawyer from the Justice Department and she said they contacted the Elections group and notified them.
During this process, I called a friend/neighbor and told her of the incident. She was on her way to the Fitzsimons polling place to vote. She called me at 11:15am after she cast her vote and stated that Dana was still there, helping other elderly people with their votes nearly 2 hours after I made a complaint to the supervisor and the Justice Department Reps.
Another neighbor called me at 11:30am to get the address of the closest polling place. I gave him the address of the Fitzsimons State Veterans Home. I told him of the incident as well and asked him to call me and let me know if Dana was still helping people.
He called me back after he cast his vote at 12:16pm. He said that Dana was working the ID checking position. But that while casting his vote, he overheard the replacement roaming judge doing nearly the same thing. When a man called on him because he was confused about a referendum, he gave a short, misleading summary and asked if the man agreed or not. After this happened on a few different ballot issues/referendums, my neighbor cast his vote and complained to the Justice Department Representative about what he overheard.
I do understand that the situation with Dana is essentially her word against mine. But I was under the impression that an elections Judge giving false and misleading information, as well as, stating her vote and specifically telling a person what vote to cast was unconstitutional and a violation. So, even if it is just suspicion, why was she still there “assisting” other voters? And why was her replacement giving false and misleading information in her stead?
I thought that to be in a position to “assist” voters was a position that you undergo some form of training for. And at the very least, trained to know how to answer questions that people might have, without violating an election law. If these election judges are not trained properly or well informed of the referendums and ballot issues within the proposals to “assist” voters, how can these votes be counted? When they have been cast under the influence and opinions of these supposed “impartial” and “informed” elections judges. These are the last influences anyone comes into contact with before casting a vote. Should they even be influenced at all? Especially by ill-informed judges who misuse their positions with out right statements of what and who to vote for?
How many people in one tiny Veterans polling place in Aurora Colorado’s votes were swayed today? How many votes were Dana’s? Or cast from misinformation?
Where else, all over this country, is this exact same thing happening? How many elderly or disabled voters are being “assisted” by this very same unlawful and misguided way?
Asking for help should not be an open door for an election judge to cast their vote again, and again.
And who is governing this process? Because throughout all of this, I know there are a lot of institutions wielding the scepter, but passing it to another with every complaint.
Here I was thinking that the major problem was going to be the machines. In retrospect, the machines where very easy to understand and use. Especially if you’ve already read up on what your proposals are (which, with my experience today, it is apparent that those who did are the minority). As far as the notion that these machines can be easily hacked into and sway the votes…..I just cross my fingers and hope that is next to impossible.
I truly hope that all who are out voting today are keeping their eyes and ears open for such things. And if you find yourself in a position where you feel your rights and others have been violated, please say something to someone. Even if I didn’t get very far, you might. And tell other people of your experiences, especially those who are not privy to these types of situations that are happening everywhere. And tell them to call on someone, anyone, to do something about it.
I take a lot of pride in the fact I have the right to vote. Incredible leaders all throughout our history have carved the path to that right and many great men and women have died fighting to give us ALL that right. Crazy, possibly penetrable, machines and all.
I still believe our votes count, and it is a great disservice to ALL those exercising that right for anyone’s voice to be counted under false pretences.
Sherri Daily
November 7, 2006
8:23 PM
Becky writes:
i just made my second run to succor a daughter third from the end of the humongous line around the corner at Montview Methodist Church . At first she heard it would be 1 1/2 hrs so needed a sandwich. (Had been at a parents' meeting at school through suppertime). When I arrived they were getting cold so I returned with a coat. Now the rumors said 2 1/2 hrs. I voted absentee as soon as the ballot arrived. Experience counts!
November 7, 2006
8:39 PM
Stephanie writes:
Arrived at Brighton's First Baptist Church since I heard there were long wait times at the Adams County Admin building. That was at 5pm. Got my voter card quickly, then went to stand in the huge line to actually check-in and vote. At 6:45, they finally informed us that their Qwest broadband connection went down a half hour earlier with an estimated fix time of 2-3 HOURS. We were given the choice to hightail it to another vote center, cast a provisional ballot or wait out the problem. The system worked intermittently, getting one or two people through every 15 minutes. We finally got out of there at 7:45, with at least 100 people in line behind us. What a nightmare.
November 7, 2006
8:58 PM
Brian writes:
I went to a polling place in SW Adams Co. around 11:30. There was no line. There were maybe ten voters in the building, if that. Half the workers were just sitting around waiting. I watched a short demonstration of the (easy to use) machines, waited for them to update my address in their computers, voted, verified my printout, and left. All in less than twenty minutes.
November 7, 2006
8:58 PM
Brian writes:
I went to a polling place in SW Adams Co. around 11:30. There was no line. There were maybe ten voters in the building, if that. Half the workers were just sitting around waiting. I watched a short demonstration of the (easy to use) machines, waited for them to update my address in their computers, voted, verified my printout, and left. All in less than twenty minutes.
November 7, 2006
9:06 PM
Carl writes:
What a complete nightmare voting was today. I've never in my voting life of over 30 years of voting walked away from a voting area without actually voting because the lines were over an hour long and the machines broke down. What a travesty of democracy! This entire election should be re-done.
November 7, 2006
10:03 PM
Steve Jackson writes:
Who made the decision that LESS polling places would be a good idea in Denver and Douglas counties? According to the Colorado state government web site, the Secretary of State (Gigi Dennis) has the responsibility for elections. The Denver County election commisioner is Sandy Adams. The Douglas County Clerk is Carole Murray. Let's hold them accountable for this absurd blunder! Everyone who was in line for more than 2 hours, speak up!
November 7, 2006
10:29 PM
Sam writes:
What a botched Colorado election. They mismanage our money at every turn and have the nerve to ask for more of it. Didn't anyone forsee computer overload? Why didn't they have backup paper ballotts? Remember how smoothly those worked. I've lost faith in this system. This is America for God's sake. Unbelievable.
November 7, 2006
10:36 PM
K writes:
Waited one hour to vote in Douglas County, husband waited an hour and a half. Got our votes in!
November 7, 2006
11:07 PM
D-DAY 2006 writes:
SAY HELLO TO HIGHER TAXES, LESS FREEDOMS AND BIGGER GOVERNMENT. BY BY TO MORALS AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
REMEMBER, IT IS ALWAYS EASIER TO SECOND GUESS - - WHAT IS THE PLAN LIBS??????
November 7, 2006
11:26 PM
Anonymous writes:
WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER OUR DEBT WENT TO 9 TRILLION GENIUS? THE REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY RAISED TAXES...THEY JUST HAVEN'T GONE UP YET.
W PRESIDED OVER THE LARGEST EXPANSION OF BIG GOVERNMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE U.S.
ABRAMOFF.
November 7, 2006
11:30 PM
Karmel Fudge writes:
We voted up here in Weld County. Our clerk and recorder happens to be a Republican. Guess what?? Voting went very very well. There were some long lines, but maybe these voting centers aren't such a good idea.
Maybe Denver should get a Republican Clerk!!
November 7, 2006
11:33 PM
Anonymous writes:
Exactly which party do you think Gigi belongs to Ms. Fudge?
November 7, 2006
11:39 PM
Anonymous writes:
The green party might win another one for the Republicans in Virginia.
November 8, 2006
12:05 AM
karole writes:
Four hours in line in Highlands Ranch mid-afternoon!! whose plan was this? The machines were fine but only 11 when people are wrapped through the halls, out the door and through the parking lot? Very frustrating!
November 8, 2006
12:12 AM
jk writes:
There were so many ways to avoid any hassle. Early voting, absentee etc. GET over it if you waited til the end. I look at so many people put out or disgusted and just see them as procrastinating idiots.
PRIORITIZE, but save your complaints. The rest of us don't hear or care.
November 8, 2006
12:13 AM
jk writes:
There were so many ways to avoid any hassle. Early voting, absentee etc. GET over it if you waited til the end. I look at so many people put out or disgusted and just see them as procrastinating idiots.
PRIORITIZE, but save your complaints. The rest of us don't hear or care.
Youjust look stupid.
November 8, 2006
12:13 AM
jk writes:
There were so many ways to avoid any hassle. Early voting, absentee etc. GET over it if you waited til the end. I look at so many people put out or disgusted and just see them as procrastinating idiots.
PRIORITIZE, but save your complaints. The rest of us don't hear or care.
You just look stupid.
November 8, 2006
12:16 AM
Anonymous writes:
It is not the voters' fault when the system malfunctions.
November 8, 2006
12:19 AM
Rick Fenn writes:
Read it and weep mofos!
We're turning up the heat!
How high?
TO FAHRENHEIT 9/11!
No matter how many machines you rigged.
No matter all the BS lies you published.
And no matter how you TERRORIZED
voters.
We kicked your ass! Not only did
we kick you ass! We kicked it up
and down in your own back yard!
So take that to the bank!
Mr. Bush, your political capital
has been spent!
Rick
November 8, 2006
2:09 AM
Anonymous writes:
things went smooth in colo springs still doing it the old fashion way.
November 8, 2006
5:13 AM
Anonymous writes:
Paper and ink votes by law! Scrap electronic voting machines! Glad to read marriage is between a man and woman only.
November 8, 2006
5:24 AM
Anonymous writes:
I called about early voting, and someone in the Denver election commission office told me I needed to have an absentee ballot to vote early.
I went to 2 different polling places to vote; first 2 had no parking for blocks. All in all, with driving around and waiting, it took 3 hours to vote. So much for my day off.
This election mess is a reflection on how Denver is REALLY being run. Throw Hickenlooper and his smart-a** cronies OUT! It's TIME, people!
November 8, 2006
6:04 AM
Anonymous writes:
With early voting available, the Post and News should have published their list of endorsements every day.
November 8, 2006
6:10 AM
Jim writes:
Hey, I tried to vote, but was again thwarted by the incompetent Denver Election Commission. Not wanting to waste postage on my mail-in ballot, I thought I'd drop it off.
What a joke. Not only is there not a drop-off box in the front of the building, but someone wanting to just drop off a mail-in ballot has to go through security. I had a lot of metal items with me, and it became a hassle. Finally, I just said the heck with it, ripped up the ballot, and left.
Apparently, that's what the commission wants - to make voting such an ordeal that the voter just gives up and leaves.
Lesson learned. I won't make that mistake again. And they wonder why people don't vote
November 8, 2006
6:19 AM
Scott writes:
I waited 2 hours to vote, only to be told that I had already voted, even with my green, pre-printed voter signature card in hand! If only I would have known that I would be disenfranchised by our election commision and technology, I wouldn't have had to wait for 2 hours. I have voted for 20 years at my local precinct, never once having to wait more than 10 minutes. Leave it to the politicians to fix something that wasn't broken!
November 8, 2006
6:24 AM
ak writes:
I'm a photojournalism student and I was assigned to cover election day. I had a camera in the voting line to take some shots. No notice was posted on the door at the time we (husband and I) entered the building. A judge was running around telling people to turn off cell phones (but they were still allowed to keep the cell phone on their person) When he saw my camera, he insisted on taking the digital card (no way!) and when I refused to give it to him, but offered to turn off my camera so I could vote I was thrown out of line by police and barred from voting in that center. I had waited 90 minutes to vote and had to go to another voting center and wait 70 minutes to vote there.
November 8, 2006
6:24 AM
ak writes:
I'm a photojournalism student and I was assigned to cover election day. I had a camera in the voting line to take some shots. No notice was posted on the door at the time we (husband and I) entered the building. A judge was running around telling people to turn off cell phones (but they were still allowed to keep the cell phone on their person) When he saw my camera, he insisted on taking the digital card (no way!) and when I refused to give it to him, but offered to turn off my camera so I could vote I was thrown out of line by police and barred from voting in that center. I had waited 90 minutes to vote and had to go to another voting center and wait 70 minutes to vote there.
November 8, 2006
6:29 AM
D writes:
I decided to take an early lunch. Was in and out in 15 minutes.
November 8, 2006
6:29 AM
Jerry writes:
I went to vote at 3 p.m., finally finished at 6 p.m. and the line was longer when I left than when I arrived. Did I vote in Denver, no; Douglas County. So if I think like a NUTTER from the left that must mean that the long lines in Conservative Douglas County were due to a conspiracy by the Democrat Party done to try and stop me from voting. Where is the news media? Where is Mikey Moore? Where is Al Gore and BIll Clinton, or the ACLU?
November 8, 2006
6:30 AM
D writes:
I decided to take an early lunch. Was in and out in 15 minutes.
November 8, 2006
7:00 AM
PW writes:
Let the official hardcore Republican pissing and moaning campaign begin. Start up the militias again Rong Wingers. Begin telling us "liberals" how much you hate your country when you aren't completely in control of the government. You hardcore right wingers are a bunch of traitors to the American political process and this will become abundantly clear in the very near future.
God Bless America! (as long as a bible thumping president and legislature are calling the shots) Otherwise, start up the death threats and anthrax laced letters to "liberal" officials Rong Wingers. Show us what you are made of.
November 8, 2006
7:04 AM
ak writes:
I'm a photo journalism student. We had an assignment in class to photograph election day. While waiting in line at the voting center, I asked permission to take a couple of photos of people in line and planned to ask the election judges if I could take a couple of frames to tell a story of their work on election day.
One election judge was running around getting people to turn off their cell phones and then posted a notice on the door AFTER I had gone through. He remarked to the group waiting to vote that he had neglected to post the notice.
The notice said no cell phones, no electronic or digital recording devices and no cameras. When he saw my camera, he insisted on taking it and/or the digital card. I explained I was a student on a class assignment and I'd turn off my camera but I would not give him my card or my camera.
He had me removed from the voting center by police. The police refused to let me back in to vote even without my camera.
Cell phones were turned off, but people were allowed to remain in line to vote. I turned off my camera but was removed from the building.
I had waited in line over 60 minutes to vote at the first center and went to another voting center in the county and waited an additional 70 minutes to vote.
What's your take on media access to the voting centers?
November 8, 2006
7:17 AM
JW writes:
"He had me removed from the voting center by police. The police refused to let me back in to vote even without my camera. "
I hope you got the names of the voting judge, and the police, and reported them.
November 8, 2006
7:24 AM
Martha writes:
where is the personal responsibility in the voting debacle --for the voters! Why did not the governor -elect vote early oh wait I know can't miss a photo op. Many of these folks could have voted by absentee or taken advantage of early voting last week but they CHOSE not to. The city of Dnver made mistakes but the citizens need to accept theier own share of responsibility for this fiasco
November 8, 2006
7:25 AM
Martha writes:
where is the personal responsibility in the voting debacle --for the voters! Why did not the governor -elect vote early oh wait I know can't miss a photo op. Many of these folks could have voted by absentee or taken advantage of early voting last week but they CHOSE not to. The city of Dnver made mistakes but the citizens need to accept their own share of responsibility for this fiasco
November 8, 2006
8:07 AM
Mail Vote writes:
Sherri-
Have the old lady file for an absentee ballot next time. You can read it to her over and over again for 4 weeks and then when she still can't reason, you fill it out and mail it. You don't think Dobson has already thought of that?
November 8, 2006
8:08 AM
Jeremy Hahn writes:
Douglas County was also bad. I got in line at 5:15pm and finally voted at 8:15pm. I remember voting in 2004 when voter turn-out was something like 98%. My wife and I only waited in line for about 30 minutes. I don't think that voter turn-out was as high this year especially with some folks deciding not to wait in the long lines. I think the problem was the new computer voting machines along with the long ballot.
November 8, 2006
8:11 AM
Denise writes:
Bring back the precincts! Sure there was early and absentee voting, but call me a traditionalist: I like to see how the debates/campaigns unfold right up until - what's it called again? Oh right: Election Day. You never know what sort of last minute malarkey will occur to enliven (or sully) the campaigns. And when you go from 200-odd precincts to 55 vote centers, you're bound to have delays. For those who had no wait at all, congratulations (it took me 2 1/2 hours), but while I might try to infer which vote center might have lines and which might not, I can't know for sure unless I try every one, and I didn't have that kind of time. With a precinct, at least I know it's just going to be a set potential number of people showing up at my polling station.
November 8, 2006
8:13 AM
Jeff writes:
Well, GOPrs now it's time to get America back on the right track. We win with class and we lose with class. Remember when losers did this gracefully in the past (this would be before the last two elections). Let's put our pride in our pocket and congratulate the winners.
This Nation has become so divided, primarily because the losing party in the last 2 elections refused to rally their base to support the winning party. It's made us the laughing stock of the world and I'm tired of it.
Let's take advantage of our loss and clean it up by returning our Government to the place where the winners and losers had respect for one another.
I'll be the first, Congratulations to all the democrat winners, Best wishes to each of you!
November 8, 2006
8:18 AM
Anonymous writes:
Bush ready to declare martial law. Elections null and void! Congress will do nothing to change this mess, just continue it! Alot of blow, no substance!! Democrats are patsys'!!
November 8, 2006
8:19 AM
David Hakala writes:
Martha's right. All who stood in line for hours yesterday have no one to blame but themselves. I voted on Oct. 16 from the comfort of my recliner, where I could reflect upon each decision thoughtfully. It took less time than paying my monthly bills.
We are not a patient people. Starbucks, 7-11, Jiffy Lube, McDonald's, and a host of other businesses are built upon our demand for fast service. Online retailers know that shopping carts will be abandoned if it takes more than 30 seconds to check out.
So why did millions of Americans stand in line for hours to do something that shouldn't take longer than making breakfast?
Voting is the quintessential community activity here in the U. S. Its essence is, "STAND UP and be counted! Make your voice HEARD by the government that owes you its obedience! SHOW the bastards that you're mad as Hell and you're not going to take it anymore!"
Americans have gathered in public for 230 years to do just that. Getting out and being SEEN voting is a powerful way of proclaiming one's patriotism and support for democracy. What American doesn't get goosebumps when Lee Greenwood sings,
"And I'd gladly STAND UP next to you
And defend Her still today!
For there ain't no doubt I love this land.
God bless the U. S. A."
Voting in public isn't logical or efficient. It isn't even the best way to make sure your vote is counted. But the ritual won't fade away, ever. It is an act of self-assertion, a defiant proclamation that one person DOES matter, WILL be heard by the powers that be, and CAN change the world.
"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
- Dylan Thomas.
November 8, 2006
8:47 AM
Jeff writes:
Douglas County, Fire station voting.
Over 2 1/2 hours. I, along with numerous others had to leave due to getting kids from school and other commitments. What a debacle this was. Frustrated voters and my fellow neighbors trying to wait it out. I will definetely go abseente next time.
November 8, 2006
8:48 AM
Anonymous writes:
I spent about 12 minutes altogether in my voting location. It was in-and-out there, over to my dentist's appointment about 3 blocks away, then about 1/4 mile back home. Man, I LOVE my neighborhood.
November 8, 2006
8:54 AM
Anonymous writes:
It is not an accident that we have all these problems in a state wwith a dem-controlled legislature. This is part of a vast conspiracy to take power away from the Bush administration.
November 8, 2006
8:59 AM
Kenneth G writes:
EVERY ONE OF YOU had two weeks to vote! Stop crying because you waited last minute, get out early next time and take care of business. I voted with no problems in the early voting.
November 8, 2006
9:08 AM
666 writes:
8:54
The Bush administration needs to have some of its power taken away. They're starting to resemble the Iraqi Ba'ath party in the 70s. You know, Saddam's party? Started out as a simple semi-nationalist secular party, gained influence and eventually seized power and created the nationalist/socialist dictatorship that we overthrew in 2003. That's what happens when one party gains too much influence, democracy fails and tyranny ensues.
The Republicans need to be put in their place, or else eventually an invading army will be pulling down a big bronze statue of Dubya in the middle of DC, and the remaining Republicans will organize into terrorist cells, using guerilla tactics to attack democracy.
I can just see Marilyn Musgrave, wearing a bright pink suit and a belt of plastic explosives, running into DNC headquarters screaming "Bush is great! Bush is great!"
November 8, 2006
9:27 AM
Jim Peterson writes:
Do the elected Denver Election Commissioners read? Are they internet illiterate? Do they even look at their own website? Prior to the election, the early voting information indicated that Denver residents could vote early on Saturday, November 4th. It was only a few days before the 4th that apparently someone actually read the website and corrected it to state you couldn't vote on the 4th (they did catch Saturday, October 28th, but not the 4th). The damage had been done, however. I had planned on voting on the 4th (like others I spoke with) and couldn't make it earlier. So instead, I got in line on election day at the Botanic gardens at 7 AM and finally voted at 9:10 AM.
I wonder - hav ANY of the commisioners actually DONE anything?! Did they ever stop and WALK through the process and think about what happens when thousands of people across the city try and get in to polling places at once? Did they even TALK to the IT guys and ask if there'd be server problems? I think it was my management 101 class that addressed process flow. I'm guessing these bozos all missed it, or more likely, didn't care. I think there needs to be a recall election for these morons.
November 8, 2006
9:29 AM
David writes:
Let me just say that no one can complain about the long lines. Everyone in this state has the opportunity to mail in their ballots. Now, I waited in line in last night for nearly three hours. Not once did one person complain. It was warm and we were angry. Not at the current situation, but with the current Congress, Senate, and White House Administration. I would have waited three hours in a blizzard!
Let me also say, Horaay to Mayor Hickenlooper for actually getting in front of a television camera and apologizing to the masses. That takes a brave man!
November 8, 2006
9:29 AM
David writes:
Let me just say that no one can complain about the long lines. Everyone in this state has the opportunity to mail in their ballots. Now, I waited in line in last night for nearly three hours. Not once did one person complain. It was warm and we were angry. Not at the current situation, but with the current Congress, Senate, and White House Administration. I would have waited three hours in a blizzard!
Let me also say, Horaay to Mayor Hickenlooper for actually getting in front of a television camera and apologizing to the masses. That takes a brave man!
November 8, 2006
9:31 AM
John McWhite writes:
This voting problem is very funny. It is so funny, LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early!
In 2008, it will be the same story and the same people complaining.
I guess that what makes America great!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
November 8, 2006
9:32 AM
John McWhite writes:
This voting problem is very funny. It is so funny, LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early!
In 2008, it will be the same story and the same people complaining.
I guess that what makes America great!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
November 8, 2006
9:34 AM
David writes:
Let me just say that no one can complain about the long lines. Everyone in this state has the opportunity to mail in their ballots. Second, I received a call from someone that told me my polling place was changed. I asked that person if they thought I was an idiot? I knew I was able to vote from any poll. Now, I waited in line in last night for nearly three hours. Not once did one person complain. It was warm and we were angry. Not at the current situation, but with the current Congress, Senate, and White House Administration. I would have waited three hours in a blizzard!
Let me also say, Horaay to Mayor Hickenlooper for actually getting in front of a television camera and apologizing to the masses. That takes a brave man!
November 8, 2006
9:38 AM
John McWhite writes:
This voting problem is very funny. It is so funny, LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early!
In 2008, it will be the same story and the same people complaining.
I guess that what makes America great!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
November 8, 2006
9:38 AM
John McWhite writes:
This voting problem is very funny. It is so funny, LOL LOL LOL !!!!!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early!
In 2008, it will be the same story and the same people complaining.
I guess that what makes America great!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
Vote Early or by mail!
November 8, 2006
9:42 AM
jay writes:
I must say that I slept very soundly last night...with a smile on my face.
I watched coverage until about 1:15 am last night...I wanted to make sure that the Montana and Virginia vote counts stabilized before going to bed. I didn't want a repeat of waking up in the twilight zone like I did that horrible morning in 2000.
It is not the voters' fault that the system was horribly mismanaged yesterday.
Where is our country headed when our citizens have this much trouble exercising their constitutional right to cast a ballot on election day?
I'm not saying that waiting until election day to vote is the smartest thing one could do...I voted early and without difficulty...but let's not forget that WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 200 YEARS...it shouldn't be this type of circus every two years.
November 8, 2006
9:43 AM
Brent Murphy writes:
A disaster in Adams County last night. 3 hours at the church on 136th. At the time we arrived, 4 of the 6 computers to check-in voters were down. About an hour later, all were down. Voting machines were working fine, but they couldn't check anyone in.
Yes, I should have voted early, and I'm kicking myself for not doing it, but that's no excuse for multi-hour system crashes. Once the check-in computers got running again at about 8PM, everything went smoothly, and voting took only a few more minutes.
But many people left during the couple hours we were standing outside waiting, the majority of those when the staff came out and told us that the computers were down and they didn't know when they've be running again.
The couple behind me had come from another church where they were asked to leave after 1/2 hour, because their machines had locked up.
My wife and I, and two young children, stuck it out, and I'm glad we did, but it was miserable. I can't blame people for leaving.
Also, my wife was threatened by the staff that she would be kicked out for calling some voter-complaint hotlines.
November 8, 2006
9:43 AM
Todd writes:
HOGAR said:
Based on the early CNN Senate Exit Polling, here are my predictions
VIRGINIA -R (looking wrong)
RHODE ISLAND -RHINO (wrong)
PENNSYLVANIA - D
OHIO - D
NEW JERSEY - RHINO (wrong)
MONTANA - R (looking wrong)
MISSOURI - R (wrong)
MARYLAND - D
TENNESSEE - R
ARIZONA - R
----
How are you feeling about your projections now Hogar?
November 8, 2006
10:04 AM
Anonymous writes:
The RE-Sinking of the Titanic! Man the Life jackets! There isn't enough lifeboats to save us.
November 8, 2006
10:10 AM
Anonymous writes:
Had no problems at all voting. Sent it in last week, and spent most of yesterday laughing at the slobs in line, much like the same idiots wait until April 14th to even start looking for tax forms.
Happy with most of the results too. Good to see Ref I and 1A fail, and 43 pass. Too bad about marijuana though. Would be nice to see legalization.
November 8, 2006
10:13 AM
Anonymous writes:
I waited in line over two and a half hours to vote (Tattered Cover downtown), leaving just when they were starting to lock the doors. Before the "Voting Centers", my precinct polling place was less than a five minute walk from my house, and even in the most heated campaigns of previous years, the longest I waited was 20 minutes.
Well, at least I got my vote in, even though it was contrary to the voting of the new smug left.
I think it's a reflection of how we conduct our selves that there hasn't been any talk of contesting the Colorado election. If the swing of voting had gone the other way, Liberals would have blamed the long waiting lines on The Man and The Right, proclaiming that they weren't getting their right to vote.
All things come to pass, and two, four, six or even eight years from now we'll be seeing several more swings to both directions regardless of how the country's being run and whose to blame for the world's woes.
November 8, 2006
10:19 AM
Anonymous writes:
Why complain? Gigi did her best to suppress the vote in heavily Democratic Denver and the Democrats won anyway. Nice try. Thanks for playing.
November 8, 2006
10:20 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Todd
Well I am certainly feeling wrong. I will admit that I am only surprised by Virginia and Montana. The others were definitely over optimistic. I am happy to the RHINOs going down in flames. I am happy that a good number, (I don't have the number yet) of the Democratic victors are Pro-life, Pro-gun and Pro-military, Reagan Democrats. I would be far more worried if Kerry Democrats had won in larger numbers.
It was a close race, but I have to take my hat off to the Democrats. They definitely won more than I thought they would. In the House they only won just over 1% more of the seats than I thought they would. The Senate is looking bad, but the Democrats still will not have a majority. I am assuming that Lieberman will put the Dems in control there, but I really don't know how it works for leadership if neither party has a majority.
Hogar is in morning for the Senate, in lieu of flowers, please send votes to Burns and Allen. (sounds like a good comedy team)
November 8, 2006
10:27 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
With regard to the election, I cast a slew of votes yesterday, and I only lost one that I cared about. And I did not really lose on that one as I got a very capable and pro-life governor. He is certainly more conservative than any governor from New Jersey over the last 30 years. I am not looking forward to the Democrat trifecta of CO picking my pocket over the next four years, in the name of growing the nanny government.
November 8, 2006
10:38 AM
jay writes:
So Hogar, I have to ask.
Is losing both Houses of Congress a mandate or no?
November 8, 2006
10:44 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Jay
I don't think Democrats have a mandate. I think American voters were clearly pissed at what is happening in Iraq, but I see no indication that they want anything beside Iraq fixed. Fixing Iraq is not going to be easy and I see no clear road other than just continuing to train Iraqis and pressure them to step up to the plate. At this point I hope that Iraqis can agree on dividing up the country, which is only a short term solution, and I don't know if that simply falls into terrorists hands plan of divide and conquer. If Rumsfeld resigns, I see it as a big win for the terrorists.
November 8, 2006
10:46 AM
Brent Murphy writes:
Not sure why people who vote on Election Day are considered "slobs" and "idiots".
November 8, 2006
10:48 AM
David writes:
I went to the Westridge Rec Center in Highlands Ranch to vote at 7:00 a.m. and realized I didn't allow myself enough time (estimated wait time 1 1/2 to 2 hours). I went back at 5:15 and waited in line for 5 hours to vote. From my experience, and what I've heard, Denver doesn't come close to Douglas County when it comes to incompetence.
November 8, 2006
10:50 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Posted by David on November 8, 2006 10:48 AM
Did you fall asleep? My friends got there at 5:00 PM and it only took them 2 1/2 hours.
November 8, 2006
10:52 AM
jay writes:
Actually Hogar, Iraq was fourth on the list of reasons people voted yesterday according to exit polling.
In order
Corruption
Terrorism
Economy
Iraq
November 8, 2006
11:01 AM
David writes:
Posted by Hogar De Vuelta on November 8, 2006 10:50 AM
If your friends went to the Westridge Rec Center at 5:00 and only waited 2 1/2 hours they either left without voting or they cut in line.
November 8, 2006
11:17 AM
Anonymous writes:
Actually Breant, it is the people who COMPLAIN about voting on election day to be the idiots. We had the second longest ballot in Colorado history, and were using a new system. Hello???
People could have voted absentee. People could have voted early.
Instead, they wait to vote on election day and then wonder why there's a line. That's like me waiting to the last day of the month to renew my vehicle registration and complaining that there is a line, when I could have gone early, mailed it in, etc.
November 8, 2006
11:27 AM
Anonymous writes:
The voting machinery in Denver failed yesterday. It was not the voters' fault. Don't blame them.
November 8, 2006
11:43 AM
J A writes:
Rumsfeld is gone Woo Hoo!
My Denver voting experience:
45 minutes in line to waiting to have my ID checked
60 seconds wait for a voting boot
3-4 minutes in the booth
They combined 4 old polling places into a single voting center, but the voting center only has twice the capacity of the old polling place. The number of voting booths and ID checkers needs to be doubled.
November 8, 2006
11:47 AM
Brent Murphy writes:
If there were long lines simply because a lot of people showed up to vote, I agree that you can't really complain about that. That's a part of voting.
However, when I'm waiting in line for 3 hours because the computer system has shut down county-wide (according to the staff at the vote center), that's a whole different story.
As I mentioned, once the system was running, it was a fast an easy process. No complaints about it. However, a county-wide system crash on election day is a disaster is unacceptable. There was no contingency plan, other than sit-and-wait. Our vote center only had 40 provisional ballots, so that wasn't an option. Your choices were to wait an undetermined amount of time, or leave and not vote.
I reserve my right to complain about voting delays due to the incompetence of the election officials and a computer system which couldn't do it's job.
And FYI, the mail-in system is not infallible either. There were reports in Adams County of mail-in ballots being returned to the sender, instead of to the election office due to errors at the post office, where the design of the mail-in ballot confused the computers. The computers couldn't tell the difference between the sender's address on one side of the envelope and the election office on the other side of the envelope.
November 8, 2006
12:04 PM
Steve Town writes:
Interesting results in Colorado. Socially progressive/liberal measures voted down, democratic officials voted in. In spite of the voting problems, I am convinced that the voice of the people have been heard even with the ambiguous message.
At the national level, the message was, "throw the bums out who are associated with Iraq, spending too much and indecisive about boarder security," rather than a mandate in favor of a Democratic agenda. If Dems were running on their platform, we would have seen Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed out campaigning for their candidates, instead of them going underground for the past month.
November 8, 2006
12:09 PM
Anonymous writes:
I guess I will send out a bummer for Hogar and the Republicans. I will yell at the top of my lungs to partition Iraq to the Democrats too. Let us hope this election will stop the powers at be enough to think of REAL solutions.
November 8, 2006
12:32 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Posted by David on November 8, 2006 11:01 AM
They must have been at a different rec center. I will ask them.
November 8, 2006
12:36 PM
Marge Lambeth writes:
ONE TERM - DIAL-UP! With cable and DSL technology available, laptop computers were using dial-up to confirm IDs. Voting machines went empty! because people had to wait for the dial-up connections. If the IDs could have been checked quicker, the voting machines would have been in constant use, lines would have moved faster, and everyone would have had the opportunity to vote.
I talked to a wheelchair bound individual who had been turned away, (not allowed to vote!) at one center, then sent to another only to be told to go to another county.
I talked to an older hispanic woman on oxygen who stated she received a phone call telling her she was not allowed to vote 3 blocks from her house but must travel miles to vote. Fortunately, she came to the local polling place and was allowed to vote.
I witnessed a man, who had the correct form and identification, turned away and told to go to another county, only to be turned away there. He returned and was finally allowed to use a provisional ballot.
I witnessed a woman's kindness as she brought water and candy for all the people in line.
I witnessed people in line caring for each other.
I witnessed people patiently perservering to fulfill their right to vote, to speak for themselves, to declare what they want.
Now, I hope to witness that all the ballots cast really have been counted, that not one voter's information is lost to hackers, and that every person elected remembers every person who stood there for hours.
November 8, 2006
12:53 PM
Jill Hamilton writes:
Yesterday morning I dorve by the Denver Botanic Gardens at about 8:10 a.m., to see if there was a place to park so I could vote there. The line was out the entrance, and down York Street, almost to 11th Avenue. That was when I decided to go to The Tattered Cover in LoDo where I could get a cup of coffee and look at some interesting books while I waited. This is the part of the Vote Centers that I really like - not being limited to one location. Anyway, I arrived there at 8:45 a.m., and I finally cast my vote at 10:10 a.m. The whole time I was in line, I kept telling myself that people the world over wait their entire lives to vote, and many never get that opportunity. Surely then, I can wait in line for a couple of hours. It is afterall, my right, and, more importantly, my responsibility to vote.
Now for my complaint - we used to vote at 300 precincts. What I would like to know is, who decided that 55 vote centers where enough? For that number basically combines 6 precincts into one location. Furthermore, I found same number of election volunteers checking in voters. Did someone in The Denver Election Commission not think about that?
My suggestion for the future: Continue the Vote Center plan, but at the minimum, have at least 100 vote centers, if not 150, and triple the number of volunteers at each location. If we try that, hopefully, for the next election, The Denver Election Commission's glaring mistakes will not make national news.
November 8, 2006
1:32 PM
Tree writes:
Vote by mail, dummy.
"how many more times"- LZ
November 8, 2006
1:45 PM
CP writes:
I was surprised to see the news about all the screw-ups and delays other people experienced. I voted at a suburban location in Northglenn at about 8 a.m. and was in and out within 15 minutes with no trouble at all. I left thinking "Wow, they finally got it right" ... oh well, at least they got it right in one place I guess ...
Now I am just grateful we can all stop getting the damn robot phone calls until the next election.
November 8, 2006
1:51 PM
Kimberly writes:
Actually, voting early in my area was not an option, since it took place during work hours. I think it is poor planning and a poorly implemented system, plain and simple. Also, mail in votes are complicated if you have just moved. For some reason they cannot make that work. No conspiracy, though. I'm not worried about The Man stealing my vote; It's just the men (and women) who implemented the system without consulting any professionals. I'm not a huge "techie," but I could have troubleshooted much of this before it happened! We need to remember that this is related to the government and things related to the government are usually poorly planned and ridiculously implemented.
LOVE the electronic system: about freaking time!
To the conservatives who are complaining about liberals: there are loons and whiners on both sides. Let's be real. For the record, I hate to categorize myself (humanist? liberal? person with realistic viewpoint and world experience?), but I do vote Democratically, if only to avoid the presence of school vouchers and denied birth control. However, I know people that are Republicans and I exercise acceptable self-control, as I would expect from them. We both just agree that the other is wrong and move on. I think most people are the same way; sometimes you have to choose between being right and being happy.
November 8, 2006
1:51 PM
L A E writes:
It's outrageous that in this technological age that the queue to vote in "the land of the free" was at times 2 hours or more. There were people who were not 'free' to vote and who couldn't leave their children or workplace for more than an hour who didn't get to exercise their right to vote and to make a difference. Shame on Denver! I am from a country where voting is compulsory and I have never had to wait more than 5 minutes in a queue. It's unacceptable! Hail to all those people who felt compelled to wait so long to vote so their vote could count towards a better USA!!
November 8, 2006
2:45 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
Even though I only had a 20 minute wait and had a nice conversation with an aging hippy and his wife, I will definitely vote absentee next time.
November 8, 2006
2:51 PM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
I am confused about one thing. How is that voter fraud only happens when Democrats lose?
November 8, 2006
3:09 PM
JW writes:
"I am confused about one thing. How is that voter fraud only happens when Democrats lose?"
It only happens when its close and people start using the law. Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry fit that mold, althogh the Bush/Kerry thing less so, which is why it didnt last.
You may see it in this last Senate race.
But on the whole, the country just kicked these guys out, and there is no basis for the election fraud thing.
November 8, 2006
3:19 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
I lived in NY during the 1980s and Mayor Ed Koch's administration. Whenever anything became a clusterflop like yesterday's election in Denver, Ed would get on television and proclaim:
"We will, uh, form a committee, and uh, investigate this matter, uh, fully, and we uh, will report to the people when, uh, we learn what uh, happened"...Watching Hicky yesterday was shades of that all over again.
November 8, 2006
10:46 PM
Anonymous writes:
What's so brave about Hickenlooper DEMANDING explanations AND apologizing for mangling the voting process in Denver? Please. This sounds like the queen in "Alice in Wonderland" saying "off with their heads!"
Hickenlooper is the one who's responsible for this whole voting mess in the first place! What a pile of BS to say Hickenlooper is a "brave man." What a CROCK! WAKE UP, PEOPLE! Hickenlooper is for sure our "teflon mayor."
As for the rest of you horse's a**es, we DO NOT need to be reminded we could've voted early. I tried that, and it didn't work, thanks to the idiots at the Denver Election Commission who told me I needed an absentee ballot to VOTE EARLY.
As for an absentee ballot, hello??I'm NOT about to PAY POSTAGE to mail in a frickin' ballot. IF WE HAD BEEN told "the upcoming election process would be a cluster-f*ck, " THEN, we might've been a little quicker to check out early voting options. So STFU--all of you--smug patronizing creeps who feel compelled to remind us of how stoopid you think we are for not mailing a ballot or voting early !
November 9, 2006
6:25 AM
David Hakala writes:
Re: http://insidedenver.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5130510,00.html
I know networks; I've built them and written books about them. Anthony Rainey, the Denver Election Commission's technology chief, is blowing smoke when he says that electronic poll book software "overloaded when 7,000 city employees logged on (to the city's servers) when they arrived at work". The poll book software wasn't affected by any of those log-ons. Rainey's claim is as absurd as saying your car stalled in its garage because too many other cars entered the freeway.
Rainey also claims, falsely, that there was no way to test the software under full load "until you had 100,000 people show up". First, he didn't need 100,000 people because only 220 poll workers could access the poll book software at one time. Second, hundreds of load-testing software packages are available, and they are routinely used to simulate simultaneous use by millions of users. Several are offered free of charge. There is no excuse for not using one of them before launching a mission-critical application like a Web-based poll books.
Nor is there any excuse for spending $85,000 on a custom-written Web poll book, as Larimer County and its free-as-in-beer Microsoft Access solution shows.
Everyone at the DEC has got to go, starting with the technology officer whose 20 years of experience hasn't taught him anything except how to lie when his bosses and he don't do their jobs.
November 9, 2006
7:39 AM
David Hakala writes:
To: 'mstoller@groupsjr.com'
(Sequoia's PR contractor)
Cc: 'mshafer@sequoiavote.com'
(Sequoia's VP, Communications & External Affairs)
Subject: Denver's poll book fiasco
Dear Mr. Stoller,
You made your client sound like a deliberately obtuse child who tells his parents, "Well, you only told me to make lunch; you didn't say to put the mayonnaisse back in the fridge!"
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4627422
"Sequoia crafted software to Denver's specifications, Stoller said, and Denver officials did not ask that the program include a 'timeout' feature to automatically purge old voter check-in sessions."
I wouldn't hire Sequoia to change my car's oil. They'd probably omit a new oil filter and blame me for the result.
David Hakala
Denver voter
November 9, 2006
8:29 AM
Anonymous writes:
Vote early and avoid the headaches. However, for those who insist on the outdated concept of voting on voting day, lets give the new system a chance before bagging it. If for no other reason, I don't want give the government an excuse to spend millions more of my money.
November 9, 2006
8:41 AM
Anonymous writes:
GET RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS AND PRIVATE LIVES NOW@!!!! THE SOONER MAN CAN START KILLING EACH OTHER OVER WHOS SCIENCE IS FLAWED, THE BETTER. MAY SCIENCE BE WITH YOU
November 9, 2006
9:05 AM
Anonymous writes:
Yep, there's a consistent history of people killing each other over science...what a minute...do I have that right? I mean, it would be ridiculous to think that religion played a party in the death of millions over the years right??
November 9, 2006
9:28 AM
jay writes:
It is refreshing to see a "commander in chief"
1. Apologize for failures
2. Promise to hold those responsible accountable
November 9, 2006
9:46 AM
Anonymous writes:
I guess election fraud will be back in two years when we kick the Dem's out of office because they are just sitting there picking our pockets. Until then, thank God for Tabor!
November 9, 2006
9:57 AM
Jake writes:
"Rainey called the glitches normal for newly developed programming. "There's no perfect software out there," he said.
"It's brand new software. That's what the problem was. No one else has used it." "
Right Rainey, and the fact that you know that and did not do proper testing means you should be fired at the minimum for denying people their right to vote.
November 9, 2006
10:45 AM
Anonymous writes:
Anyone who works in IT knows how stupid these mistakes are.
Failing to load test the polling system with city traffic on the server was just crazy.
For me, this reinforces the belief that government employees could never operate this way in a private business and keep their jobs!
November 9, 2006
11:41 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
JW
My point was that had the numbers been reversed in several races, there would have been howls coming from the media and the Democrats. In my opinion, Republicans are much more gracious when they lose.
November 9, 2006
11:52 AM
JW writes:
"My point was that had the numbers been reversed in several races, there would have been howls coming from the media and the Democrats."
I dont recall Democrats screaming "foul!" when Repubs won after having large leads in the polls...Did I miss something?
November 9, 2006
11:54 AM
Karen Williamson writes:
Where are the Denver Area-Poll workers in this? I thought I would comment from the Houston Area, as we native Denverites where my spouse's family were pioneers; and in Texas fighting at the ALAMO. The County Election Bureau told trained Poll workers they had to accept the Mexican Metricular Card. That was one issue--but very little went right at the polls from time to open delayed to assistance in selection, to entering the date WRONG, to the entire process until closing LATE. But VOTE FRAUD started with the organization registering ILLEGALS by telling them :"you do not need to be a citizen to vote!" Election Board members attended meetings by the same organizations registering illegals re-enforcing the same. Additionally, illegals were signed up by the same non-profits as Voter Registrants! So no matter how you voted--the process was doombed.
Finally ballots in foreign languages--because the people reading them do not speak English!
Inability to speak English--secures the loss of involvement, contribution, and understanding of the system, process and vigilence due to worthy citizens in every aspect of government-especially voting.
Is this why our US SOLDIERS are being sacrificed? What a national disgrace.
There must be a National Citizens Organization NOW to STOP the VOTE FRAUD or why bother?!!??
November 9, 2006
11:56 AM
jay writes:
Hogar, the vast majority of the problems were in heavily democratic Denver county. And yet the dem candidates won anyway. Maybe if we'd lost...and had the problems...it would be a different story.
November 9, 2006
12:04 PM
Anonymous writes:
So as long as the outcome suits you, you're okay with any irregularities or problem huh?
November 9, 2006
12:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
I rarely agree with the Rocky's editorial positions ( too eager to promote the rightwing spin) . But I fully agree with your idea that this voting commission should be junked, NOW, and let the imcompetents who worked there look for real work. And...if HUGE changes aren't made soon, I think Hickenlooper (my fellow Democrat) should join them in the unemployment line. Returning to precinct balloting would be a good first step.
November 9, 2006
3:52 PM
Anonymous writes:
Hickenlooper is a loser, along with anyone who waited in line. Vote by mail people, it's easier and you can take all the time you want to read (and re-read) the ballot.
November 9, 2006
9:36 PM
David Hakala writes:
Load testing wasn't even an issue. The poll book database never had to support more than 220 poll workers' sessions simultaneously. A digital wristwatch on a dial-up modem can handle that kind of load.
But Sequoia neglected to include a standard function that any high school Web programmer knows is essential: an automatic time-out that would close a network connection left open by a poll worker after he was finished checking a voter's registration. Those left-open connections piled up, one with each registration checked, until collectively they overwhelmed the software.
Sequoia blames the poll workers for not closing their connections manually after each registration check. That's like blaming a short-lived refrigerator lightbulb on people who don't switch it off manually when they close the fridge's door.
Sequoia blames Denver for not requesting a time-out feature in its specifications for the software. That' s like a deliberately obtuse teenager who tells Mom, "Well, you didn't SAY to put the mayo back in the fridge after I made a sandwich!"
Sequoia sucks. Denver should never do business with that outfit again.
November 10, 2006
10:48 AM
Hogar De Vuelta writes:
David H
Reminds me of Ruth Buzzy on Laugh In.
But nobody told me that I shouldn't leave the network connection open, so I did!!
November 12, 2006
3:56 PM
David Hakala writes:
What Ruth Buzzy bit, Hogar? I must admit, my memories of the 70s are a bit hazy. :-)
November 13, 2006
7:51 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
David H
She would be dressed as a little girl on a big rocking chair on a front porch. And she would say things like:
"And nobody told me that I shouldn't kick the kitty, so I did."
Her skit was always about doing something that common sense said not to do, but there was no specific prohibition.
November 13, 2006
8:48 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
Hogar -
veerrryy interesting...!
November 13, 2006
12:48 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
gr8
I missed the Artie Johnson connection the first time it read it, that was gr8.
November 13, 2006
1:24 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
And I may be wrong, but I think it was Lily Tomlin who played the little girl in the porch rocker, who ended everything by saying "And that's the truth!"...Ruth Buzzi's bit was playing the old lady always being hit on by Artie Johnson...Laugh In really takes me back. I needed that on a Monday.
November 13, 2006
2:06 PM
Anonymous writes:
You guys are old
November 13, 2006
3:10 PM
David Hakala writes:
"I thought I would comment from the Houston Area..."
Would that be the Houston located in Texas, the state which has given us such great champions of democracy? :-)
Why on Earth would Texans expect voting to work as advertised?
November 13, 2006
3:13 PM
David Hakala writes:
Hogar: She would be dressed as a little girl on a big rocking chair on a front porch. And she would say things like:
"And nobody told me that I shouldn't kick the kitty, so I did."
That was Lili Tomlin. "One ringy dingy, two ringy dingy..."
November 13, 2006
5:27 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
David H
You are right. I actually sat there for a minute thinking which one it was and came to the wrong conclusion. Lilies "one ringy dingy" is so overpowering, I could not get my mind to morph her into the little girl on the rocker. She was certainly a genius at inventing characters.
November 14, 2006
8:23 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Considering the description of Rainey's behavior, I think that an independent consultant should be brought in to investigate if there was not something more nefarious than incompentence at work. With this amount of smoke, I would not be surprised to find a big bad fraud fire.
November 14, 2006
8:35 AM
Anonymous writes:
Thus proving the Dems only won because of Mass Fraud and voter intimidation. The loony liberals will pay for this!
November 14, 2006
8:42 AM
Anonymous writes:
As long as 1A and I went down in flames, I could care less if the vote is validated by Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Jerry Springer.
November 14, 2006
9:34 AM
jay writes:
I agree Hogar...I think in cases of incompetence or failure there should be a thorough investigation and those that are responsible should be held accountable.
Would work in the White House too.
November 14, 2006
9:51 AM
Anonymous writes:
Where is the outrage?
The cries of racism and disenfranchisement?
The demonstrations? Lawsuits?
Oh yeah, that could be becuase "those" people won.
Its interesting to me how subsjective rights are on the left. I'll remember that.
November 14, 2006
10:09 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Jay
I agree completely. However there is a very serious difference between being competent and honest in the execution of the computerization of an election, and prosecuting a war on terror, dealing with sovreign foreign powers and our interaction with a very dynamic world economy.
Mr. Rainey had no competition, he had no one (that we know of) trying to sabotage his work, or kill his workers.
I would be willing to bet that I could pick a high school student who could have pulled off the computerization of the election process.
I hope that you can resist saying that a high school student could have done better than Bush. Jimmy Carter is a clear example of just how badly a moral intelligent man can do at running the government.
November 14, 2006
10:16 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Its interesting to me how subsjective rights are on the left. I'll remember that.
Posted by on November 14, 2006 09:51 AM
When the Democrats lose power, the Pravda media writes "What must the Democrats do to regain Power?" When the Republicans lose power, the Pravda media writes "What must the Democrats do to retain Power?"
That's fair and balanced, isn't it?
November 14, 2006
10:33 AM
jay writes:
Hogar,
Of course executing a war competently and running a successful election are worlds apart.
My point is that we should demand accountability at all levels of government....including the Teflon White House.
November 14, 2006
10:53 AM
eye spy writes:
A letter to the editor in Sunday's paper said that the news commentators were giddy while reporting election results which only proves that the media leans toward Democrats on the left.
It proves nothing of the sort. The news commentators are supposed to have bubbly personalities, that is part of why they are hired. Also, election night is what most journalists live for. It is a culmination of their reportage.
What is proven is that the letter writer expects the media to be an extension of his own ego. Because he feels bad about the conservatives losing, he expects the media to feel his pain, and to show proper remorse.
That is why the poster who compares the American media to Pravda might consider therapy for his problems. The world is not an extension of his ego.
November 14, 2006
11:38 AM
Anonymous writes:
New York Times=Pravda
November 14, 2006
11:57 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
It proves nothing of the sort. The news commentators are supposed to have bubbly personalities, that is part of why they are hired.
Posted by eye spy on November 14, 2006 10:53 AM
Then how do you explain their obvious depression when Democrats lose?
November 14, 2006
12:02 PM
Anonymous writes:
It is not a conspiracy Hogar. Don't kill the messenger.
November 14, 2006
12:19 PM
Anonymous writes:
Hogar, the ones that can't see the obvious media bias, are too far left to find the center.
For those too blind- the bias is in the Headline or lack of. It is in the placement of the article in the back pages if at all.
It is in the sources used- Moveon.org
It is in the people that aren't quoted.
It is in all of the subtle ways that the "unbiased" media trys to be unbiased but fail miserably.
November 14, 2006
12:37 PM
Anonymous writes:
You guys ever seen A Beautiful Mind? It is right up your alley of seeing conspiracies in the media.
November 14, 2006
1:31 PM
David (R) writes:
Is "unbiased" reporting really possible?
While there may be some people who could fairly effectively separate their positional views from a given discussion, I really think it is impossible to totally cull personal views.
I know that when I was standing in the voting booth last week, voting for Ritter for Governor, voting for Perlmutter and some other Dems, I had to fall back on my in-depth analysis of the candidates and their views, and recall my dissatisfaction with the Reps the past 4 to 6 years, to get where I could pull the trigger.
And I'm a very open-minded conservative - much more than many friends, family, and neighbors from either party who are very die-hard in their beliefs, left or right. So, if someone who is open-minded, and centrist on many issues is having a problem staying unbiased, how can we really think most people can do it as a reporter or journalist? Or as a juror for that matter. Something to think about.
November 14, 2006
1:42 PM
Anonymous writes:
It's not a conspiracy, it's a bias. . See http://newsbusters.org/
If a fraction of the bias they point out is true, then it is real. Wake up.
November 14, 2006
2:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
Yeah, that's great. The counterpoint is http://www.mediamatters.org
We can keep this up all day
November 14, 2006
2:28 PM
Anonymous writes:
For the real news- www.pravda.com
November 14, 2006
2:37 PM
eye spy writes:
Media bias? There is good reporting and there is bad reporting. The free press serves as a check on the government. When the press passes along anything the government says, then it is not doing its job. If it questions your "guy" in office, you may not like it, but the media is doing its job. If the media reports Bush's lies and that Iraq is messed up, it is doing its job.
When the media accepts everything the government says without criticism, it is no longer the free press. It is a propoganda arm of the government. I have news for you right wing whiners, this is not a fascist country. This is a free country with a free press, not a republican-fascist country. That is why the voters threw the buggers out last Tuesday. The drift toward fascism is over.
November 14, 2006
2:46 PM
Anonymous writes:
So when the press was blowing Clinton, they weren't a propoganda arm? Its funny when the moonbats cry fascism as they hit the send button. As much as you cry wolf, there hasn't been one person locked up though most of the NY Slimes should be.
November 14, 2006
3:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
Could you translate that. I don't understand fascist speak.
November 14, 2006
3:20 PM
Nino writes:
This is an interesting discussion. How is the media biased? What evidence is there of bias? What do you mean by bias? Sounds like a bunch of blowhards spouting off about something they don't know nothing about. Seems to me that the media is vain. Everyone wants to look good and wishes they were in showbiz, so they act like they think they're movie stars. But politicians are a bunch of liars. If you get upset because someone calls a politician a liar, you probably should chill, have a beer. It's the American freakshow.
November 14, 2006
3:30 PM
eye spy writes:
"Then how do you explain their obvious depression when Democrats lose?"
LOL. Talk about make believe.
November 14, 2006
3:43 PM
Springer writes:
I think it is absolutely outrageous that the Rocky Mountain News put out the article "blaming" Anthony Rainey for the demise of the 'voting software
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty! The thing that is particularly interesting is the fact that they put his picture in the paper as well.
The voting system is owned by the company that bought it not by Anthony Rainey which means that the company should be pubicly held responsible not him personally(at least not publicly).
If you call customer service at Qwest and the systems are down or there are problems the person that manages the systems are not named but rather the company takes responsiblity for the systems being down becaus that company owns the system.
I really wonder if racism plays a part in this story because I ask the question if he was any other race would his picture have been placed on the front page of the News..
I think we all know clearly what the answer would be
November 14, 2006
3:43 PM
RonT writes:
"Sounds like a bunch of blowhards spouting off about something they don't know nothing about. " I'll second that, or should I say "DITTO".....
What I've noticed about media, both local and national, is incompetence and laziness more than bias.
November 14, 2006
3:55 PM
springer writes:
Ditto...The reporting on this story has been incompetent and pure speculation..what happened to reporting on facts....who wants to read about allegations...I want pure FACTS and nothing else
November 14, 2006
4:33 PM
Anonymous writes:
Racism? What color is he, green? Incompetence knows no color. Was he hired because of his race then maybe he was incompetent. Affirmative action needs to be eliminated. The best person for the job- woman or man, rich or poor, blue or purple.
November 14, 2006
4:58 PM
Nino writes:
I am stupid.
November 14, 2006
5:06 PM
Anonymous writes:
Someone is using Nino's name. The real Nino makes good points. The imposter must be one of the blowhards. An imposter poster. Hey, that is funny.
November 15, 2006
7:37 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
David (R)
Personal bias is inevitable. If you take on the job of reporting the news in an unbiased fashion, then your reporters should be representative of the populous your are serving. That was obvious when all the reporters where white men, but the ideological bias is somehow not as obvious. I am sure those white men thought they represented women and minorities just fine.
And in the interest of fair and balanced, I am equally disturbed by trends at Fox. I watched Hannity last night and found his treatment of Charles Rangel to be dispicable. The rancor on both extremes is getting out of hand.
But at least on Fox, you will hear the opinion of Schumer, Rangel, Bob Beckel, Susan Estrich and other liberals. The Pravda media is simply far more biased in its makeup and their guests.
November 15, 2006
9:00 AM
Anonymous writes:
Hannity is Commentary, Oreily is Commentary, they are not their to give you the news, get over it!
November 15, 2006
9:01 AM
OT Wall writes:
Pravda Media. What a joke. You people are so far into wacko land you might as well crawl into your hole and stay there because this country isn't for you. Nobody died and made you the dictator, so get over it. How dare someone say or do something you don't approve of. What a bunch of weirdos.
November 15, 2006
9:02 AM
JW writes:
WOW! Apparently the Republicans got the message that we are pissed at them! They have re-elected Lott to a position of power for the next session of the Senate! That was just what I was telling them you know. Enough of this big spending stuff! Lets get back to RACISM!
Jesus, these guys are stupid. Good thing the Dems are in control, because the only Republicans that made it back are the ones from Rabidly Republican areas, who dont mind the corruption. The result? Smaller group of ultra-corrupt Republicans. The ones that got bounced were actually the good ones.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/15/congress.leaders.ap/index.html
November 15, 2006
9:23 AM
james writes:
If we had actual IT people staffing the computerized voting centers instead of geriatric librarians, things might speed up.
Respect for the elders, but they are NOT equipped to process more people than a U2 concert and maintain computer systems as well.
They are not assertive enough, and too slow. Integrating folks you can move things along faster would be very beneficial
james...
November 15, 2006
9:40 AM
Anonymous writes:
"I really wonder if racism plays a part in this story because I ask the question if he was any other race would his picture have been placed on the front page of the News..
I think we all know clearly what the answer would be"
uhhhh...... Yes? No?
Maybe it's clear in your racist mind but if his picture is available, it should be published. Incompetence knows no color.
November 15, 2006
9:54 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
The Senate is hopeless. That is why the clean up corruption Demorats are going to chose Land Deal Harry to lead them.
November 15, 2006
9:54 AM
Anonymous writes:
It sure did in Florida in 2000!
November 15, 2006
9:57 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Hannity is Commentary, Oreily is Commentary, they are not their to give you the news, get over it!
Posted by on November 15, 2006 09:00 AM
Even controversial commentary can be given with a measure of civility. Even O'Reilly does not go off on people without provocation. Hannity was simply off the wall ill mannered.
November 15, 2006
10:04 AM
jay writes:
"Even O'Reilly does not go off on people without provocation."
Hogar...even for you...that is an absurd statement.
November 15, 2006
10:05 AM
Oh please writes:
Racism?!?!
Come on, if this guy was white, he never would have been appointed.
Repeat after me: Feel good, POS affirmative action appointee.
November 15, 2006
10:11 AM
JW writes:
Hogar,
I find it fitting that there is a blog on the who today.
"Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss."
November 15, 2006
11:13 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Hogar...even for you...that is an absurd statement.
Posted by jay on November 15, 2006 10:04 AM
I have watched a lot of O'Reilly and he has Sharpton and Rangel and other liberals and he always has a civil discussion with them.
I should have said he rarely goes off on someone without provocation. I can tell you he treats his guests far better than David Letterman treated him.
November 15, 2006
11:13 AM
David Hakala writes:
"Considering the description of Rainey's behavior, I think that an independent consultant should be brought in to investigate if there was not something more nefarious than incompentence at work. With this amount of smoke, I would not be surprised to find a big bad fraud fire."
Off with your tinfoil, Hogar. Rainey was just clinging to a six-figure income he didn't deserve.
"Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence." --Anon.
November 15, 2006
11:57 AM
Anonymous writes:
Hogar, why don't we make that statement even more accurate and simply say that ""Even O'Reilly sometimes does not go off on people without provocation."
November 15, 2006
12:09 PM
JW writes:
Hey Hogar,
Got another book you should read (even though you wont).
Its called "What's the Matter With Kansas?" By Thomas Frank.
November 15, 2006
12:16 PM
jay writes:
I am a Kansas native and I thought that book was brilliant.
Hogar, let me know if I can send you a copy for Xmas.
November 15, 2006
12:19 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Yes, send me a copy of that wonderful book to:
Marion Barry
18324 Eat Shit Lane
Washington DC
November 15, 2006
12:38 PM
JW writes:
Haha! Excellent Hogar!
You know, you really should spend some time reading things that DONT agree with your principles. If all you read is stuff that agrees with you (anne coulter, for example) you never learn a damn thing.
November 15, 2006
1:01 PM
Anonymous writes:
the man should have been fired for being black, imcompetence 2nd!
November 15, 2006
1:26 PM
Anonymous writes:
Another convincing example of why affirmative craption does not work. And good ol Hickey is running for the border with his restaurant employees to avoid ANY responsibility for the debacle.
November 15, 2006
1:30 PM
Anonymous writes:
Actually the man in question turned down help from the governor's office no less than 6 times before the election. Nice try though
November 15, 2006
1:31 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
That was not me. I never use profanity in any conversations.
November 15, 2006
1:43 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
I just read a review of the book and I now know where you get all your hit lines for me. I thought I was reading one of you many attacks on me.
So do you think the Pravda media is going to be successful in knocking Murtha out of the box?
November 15, 2006
1:58 PM
jay writes:
Seriously though Hogar, you really should take the time to read the book. It is not going to kill you to get out of the Fox News circle of influence.
How are things over on Eat Shit Lane by the way? Lawn still green? How could it not be!
November 15, 2006
2:05 PM
JW writes:
Hogar,
Yea, I thought that was a bit weird for you. However, youve been a bit off since your boys got the boot, so I thought maybe...
Ive never read the book. Already new that stuff from poly sci, psych, and talking to my dad. Also, other books talk about that particular process, which started back in the Carter days.
I read stuff that challenges me, because Im not done thinking. God doesnt sanction my beliefs, so I cant just automatically think Im right. I am actually responsible for what I think, and the decisions I consequently make, myself! Blaming my stupidity on God seems a bit presumptious. Similarly, thinking you know God's mind seems...excessively egotistical? I dont know, you are in a better position to quallify BOTH those states.
As to the Murtha thing, Im unclear on how the Communist Russia propoganda paper is going to influence the decision on Murtha whatsoever. If you mean will the CORPORATE media do it, maybe. Depends on whether or not the dems think they need to heed what the population thinks based on what the media tells them.
I still dont get why you continue with that Pravda stuff. Communist Government propoganda is about as far from US Corporate media as you can get. The term simply does not apply.
November 15, 2006
2:31 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
I do not presume to speak for God. I believe the Bible is God's clear message to mankind. It is limited in its scope, and I would never presume that it would speak on most matters of a politcal nature. My political stance is guided by moral principles taught in the Bible, but like most of life's decisions, I am responsible to evaluate and make a decision on my own. And like most people, I am capable of changing course when the conditions warrant.
You call it Corporate media. Isn't that propoganda? Like Pravda, they are slowing trudging toward irrelevance. They will die a slow and painful death.
With regard to my boys, not many of my boys were in office, so I can't be very disappointed. At least we know that DC is not going to accomplish much of anything for the next two years.
November 15, 2006
2:35 PM
JW writes:
"You call it Corporate media. Isn't that propoganda? Like Pravda, they are slowing trudging toward irrelevance. They will die a slow and painful death."
No. Corporate media doesnt fabricate (often) they just limit the scope of their info to stuff they want you to know, in order to maximize viewership and thus proffits.
This isnt the same as propoganda.
Also, how exactly are they going to die a slow death? The powers that be love them, most people get all their news from them.
November 15, 2006
2:40 PM
JW writes:
"And like most people, I am capable of changing course when the conditions warrant. "
You really believe this, dont you?
Ill just throw out abortion again. Seems like knowing your agenda on abortion wont save babies, and that there is an alternative that will, is a waranted reason to change course.
And it seems to me that "its their problem, not mine" isnt an acceptable reason to persue what you know will be a failed policy for protecting the unborn.
November 15, 2006
2:55 PM
Anonymous writes:
"Another convincing example of why affirmative craption does not work. And good ol Hickey is running for the border with his restaurant employees to avoid ANY responsibility for the debacle."
The buck stops with the mayor in the home rule city and county of Denver. Since Hickey knew all about the election official's conduct, he is even more culpable at letting it crash and then run from the critics.
Accountability is not only for Republicans.
November 15, 2006
3:03 PM
Anonymous writes:
Another convincing example of why affirmative craption does not work. And good ol Hickey is running for the border with his restaurant employees to avoid ANY responsibility for the debacle.
Posted by on November 15, 2006 01:26 PM
Actually the man in question turned down help from the governor's office no less than 6 times before the election. Nice try though
Posted by on November 15, 2006 01:30 PM
Bozo thinks he's disagreeing when he makes the same point with a different example.........Must be a libbie-ot.
November 15, 2006
3:09 PM
Liberal Hypocrisy writes:
Where are all the screams of voter discrimination, disenfranchment, and conspiracy? Oh, that's right. Dems won so even with the single largest failure of the voting process in Denver, the usual hysterics are put on hold.
November 15, 2006
3:24 PM
JW writes:
LH,
You are late. We covered that days ago.
November 16, 2006
7:42 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
You really believe this, dont you?
Ill just throw out abortion again.
And I will repeat myself that I cannot condone the killing of innocent human life, because someone is convinced that good will come out of that.
I will not change my mind about murder, stealing, lying and the like.
By the way, I just heard Chris Matthews ask Murtha if he thought he was being offered a bribe in the Abscam video, and Murtha said no. He also said that he refused the money, when he clearly said on the video, not now, but we'll see after we have been doing business for a while. I glad to see the Democrats are restoring ethics in government! ROFL
November 16, 2006
8:05 AM
JW writes:
Couple of things this morning Hogar;
First, yea, Murtha and all that. I saw the pic of him and the guy trying to beat him out for second in command and I thought "Great, a couple of corrupt old men. Never changes."
"And I will repeat myself that I cannot condone the killing of innocent human life, because someone is convinced that good will come out of that. "
Im not asking you to. Damn dude, take a critical thinking class. Ive offered up two choices for dealing with Abortion;
A) The stated pro-life objective of banning all abortions. Due to scientific sampling of populations who have banned abortion, we KNOW that abortion bans DONT PROTECT INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE. The same number of babies die. Increased numbers of women die.
B) Increase sex ed and access to contraception. Even with the most liberal laws regarding abortion, THIS METHOD SAVES BABIES AND DOES NOT KILL WOMEN.
Get it though your damn head; chosing one or the other of these is not "condoning the killing of innocents". Its about chosing the best way to PROTECT INNOCENTS.
If you could stop and THINK about this for a moment, instead of just believing GOD told you the correct stance, you would see that the NUMBERS and the SCIENCE involved say that by trying to ban abortion, you actively PROMOTE the death of women, and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect the unborn.
Conversely, promoting sex ed and access to contraception A)does not reqire condoning abortion, B) will actually save some lives, and C)will not increase the instance of death due to unsafe abortion practices.
Hell, keep trying to ban it. I dont give a shit because they supremes will stop you. But man, if you really care about the unborn, you should stop devoting ALL your energy to banning abortion, and start putting energy into pushing sex ed and contraception access.
This aint rocket science. But it is yet another example of how you lie when you say "And like most people, I am capable of changing course when the conditions warrant." You just obstinanty bang your head against the wall of banning abortion in the name of saving babies, when it wont. And you do it even though conditions warant you changing course because there is a better way to get what you want.
And last,
With your leanings I assume you are in favor of the new laws regarding internet gambling. Here is an article showing why using one segment of the populations morality as a basis for law is such a HORRIBLE idea..
http://www.slate.com/id/2153352/?nav=tap3
November 16, 2006
8:08 AM
JW writes:
Oh, one other thing;
"He also said that he refused the money, when he clearly said on the video, not now, but we'll see after we have been doing business for a while. I glad to see the Democrats are restoring ethics in government! ROFL"
This is some hypocritical bs big guy. Clinton is a liar because he was convicted. Bush is not a liar because he hasnt been convicted.
If you used the same measuring stick on Dems that you do on Republicans, Murtha isnt corrupt, because he was never convicted.
But you are a Republican tool so...
November 16, 2006
8:19 AM
jw writes:
I am stupid. I like to kill babies.
November 16, 2006
9:40 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
With your leanings I assume you are in favor of the new laws regarding internet gambling.
I generally do not support prohibition type laws. I think gambling businesses should have to have large signs posted that say something to the order of:
We are in the business of taking your hard earned money away from you. As long as you are willing to lose everthing you bring in the door, please enter.
I also think there should be a mechanism for spouses and children to recover food, clothing and housing money lost to gambling. Then it would be up to the gambling establishments to bar that person from their establishment.
I have no problem with sex education as long as it does not advocate in any way for any particular sexual orientation and it respects the right of parents to teach their own kids themselves. I have no problem with contraception, as long as the teaching of its use does not promote any particular lifestyle philosophy, and again that it does not override parental perogative.
November 16, 2006
9:44 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
Murtha was an unidicted co-conspirator, which is a fancy way of saying I am guilty but you will not prosecute me in exchange for me testifying against the ones who actually took the money up front. So Murtha was not as stupid as the other Abscam crooks, but he was guilty, and took a plea bargain.
November 16, 2006
10:03 AM
JW writes:
Hogar,
Regarding Murtha,
You are very good at explaining your hypocracy in terms that YOU feel validates it.
Regarding the rest,
Fine.
November 16, 2006
10:05 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Poor Pelosi, she hits the ethics wall on her first act as the new power in DC.
I hear that Murtha is going fishing for Crappie to console himself after his feces hit the fan.
November 16, 2006
10:36 AM
Liberal Hypocrisy writes:
And only in a matter of a days does the media hype disappear and the story sinks deeper into obscurity while the Dem party in Colorado becomes accepting of the debacle, content to let the fox guarding the henhouse conduct an "inquiry". If this were a Repub administration we would still be reading about it and the cries for resignation of the commander in chief (mayor) would be echoing off the walls still.
November 16, 2006
10:47 AM
Anonymous writes:
This is what happens when your mayor cares more about "diversity" than about actual competance.
November 16, 2006
11:06 AM
Anonymous writes:
I want some affirmative action from the mayor, not simply the shifting of blame and excuses why he stood by and watched a slow motion train wreck.
I think he is Nagin-izing the election debacle because the Dems have been fear-mongering about a right-wing conspiracy to deny voters their vote. And now we find out that voter eligibility was not verified in a large number of cases.
Dems have yet to stand up and take responsibility for Denver's historic voting failure, but the spin continues.
November 16, 2006
11:18 AM
Anonymous writes:
11:06 might have a point if Hick's office had any jurisdiction. But since they didn't, she doesn't.
November 16, 2006
11:44 AM
Anonymous writes:
Affirmative action= lower the test score to let the minorities get the job
We get the government we deserve, and it sucks.
November 16, 2006
11:56 AM
Liberal Hyposcrisy writes:
Why aren't the Democrats yelling foul play and voter disenfranchisement in Denver? Their boy Gordon would have won SOS if Denver was competent. They did it in Florida when Bush was declared winner of a race he lost. Is it because Denver is a Democratic stronghold. Democrats only complain when they lose races because of Republican vote stealing, never when their own party's incompetence causes them to lose. Another example of...
November 16, 2006
12:04 PM
Liberal Hypocrisy writes:
I appreciate the copycat post name - imitation being a form of flattery and all that, but try to spell better please.
November 16, 2006
12:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
11:18 must be from Hick's office using that lame excuse. The City CEO has several avenues of action open to help prevent the slow motion disaster that they admit they stood back and observed. Same old double standard by our reliable Democrapic colleagues.
November 16, 2006
12:20 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
Hypocrisy is the act of pretending or claiming to have beliefs, feelings, morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice.
Please study the definition of hypocrisy, as you simply are very prone to its misuse. I will admit that I often fall prey to the same mistake, but I am truly trying to correct that.
If you had a video of Bush in a similarly compromising situation, I would be willing to heap the exact same condemnation on him that I do on Murtha.
Apart from some light hearted bias which I direct at liberals, I want more than anything to be consistent in my words, judgements and behavior.
November 16, 2006
12:31 PM
Conservative Boob writes:
Ditto.
November 16, 2006
12:45 PM
Democrats Forever writes:
We need to lock up all of your fascists Republicans for thinking that we are corrupt. Harry Reid did NOT take any bribes from Abramoff.
Murtha did NOT take a plea deal for ABSCAM. Nancy Pelosi did not make any money off that shipyard land deal. Bill Clinton did NOT have sex with that woman.
We will teach you repukeicans about free speech with some time in the slammer.
November 16, 2006
12:49 PM
JW writes:
Hypocrisy-
feigned high principles: the false claim to or pretense of having admirable principles, beliefs, or feelings
You falsely claim to have hi principles by judging Democrats actions. The hypocrisy arises when you use different (and certainly not admirable) principles to judge Republicans.
Here is a usage from the dictionary;
"It would be sheer hypocrisy for them to turn around and do what they criticize in others."
If altered to reflect your hypocrisy,
It would be sheer hypocrisy for Hogar to turn around and condone Republicans for behavior he criticizes in Democrats.
And you do exactly that.
November 16, 2006
12:52 PM
JW writes:
"If you had a video of Bush in a similarly compromising situation, I would be willing to heap the exact same condemnation on him that I do on Murtha."
Ive got video of Bush;
Telling me the war is going well, not more than six months ago.
Telling me that Rumsfeld will be the Sec. Def. for his entire term two days after he told Rumsfeld he was going to be fired.
And Ive got memories of you saying its not really a big deal that he lied about it, combined with memories of you saying it didnt matter what Clinton lied about, he lied.
November 16, 2006
1:17 PM
Anonymous writes:
The topic is the Denver vote debacle, not Rumsfeld. Hypocritical Dems are running away from any accountability for this historical mess. Local elections are run by local officials and they bear ulitmate responsibility for any failings, that is unless you are a Mayor who routinely hires illegal aliens and lets a foreign government dictate what kind of punishment their national should receive after murdering a cop in cold blood. Then the current flail starts to make sense.
November 16, 2006
1:35 PM
Conservative Boob writes:
If the democrats hired real americans instead of illegals to count our votes, this wouldntve happened.
November 16, 2006
1:52 PM
hypokrisis writes:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5 RSV)
"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you." (Matthew 6:1-6 RSV)
"Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat." He answered them, "And why do you transgress the Commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.' But you say, 'If any one tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is given to God, he need not honor his father.' So, for the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me; in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'" (Matthew 15:1-9 RSV)
November 16, 2006
2:26 PM
Anonymous writes:
Only in America could someone be stupid enough to bash a party for insuring you get to vote, just because they arent YOUR party.
God damn you are a total moron.
Posted by JW on November 7, 2006 12:53 PM
Interesting stance coming from someone who used to like fanning the flames of accountability when it was the other party he was targeting. Now it's been parsed to "jurisdiction" because Dems can't stomach the responsibility for causing the worst voting catastrophe in Denver's history.
November 16, 2006
2:41 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
JW
"Telling me the war is going well, not more than six months ago."
This is a matter of opinion. Compared to the Civil War, WWI and WWII I think it is going very well. When you take into account that we are fighting a foe that has ZERO respect for human life, and we constrain ourselves like no other power on earth would, it is going well.
"Telling me that Rumsfeld will be the Sec. Def. for his entire term two days after he told Rumsfeld he was going to be fired.
And Ive got memories of you saying its not really a big deal that he lied about it, combined with memories of you saying it didnt matter what Clinton lied about, he lied."
Again I say that no President has a responsibility to announce changes in the administration before he is ready to do so. I would never criticise any President for keeping changes to his administration secret until he is ready to announce them. Clinton lied under oath, and lied about things that had already happened. Please tell me you see no difference between those two situations.
"It would be sheer hypocrisy for Hogar to turn around and condone Republicans for behavior he criticizes in Democrats.
And you do exactly that."
Show me a real situation where I excuse the same behavior in Republicans, while condemning it in Democrats.
November 16, 2006
2:56 PM
JW writes:
"Again I say that no President has a responsibility to announce changes in the administration before he is ready to do so."
I agree. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. HE LIED. What about that is confusing you Hogar?
"Clinton lied under oath, and lied about things that had already happened. Please tell me you see no difference between those two situations."
I see differences, sure. But there are similarities as well. Bush lied. Clinton lied. They both lied about things that were none of our business, though Bush's lie was about something the nation would eventually need to know. Clinton lied under oath, and on camera. Bush just lied on camera. Etc etc. But again, the hypocrisy lies in your condemnation of Clinton's lies (what ever quallifiers you use) and your condoning of Bush's (what ever quallifiers you use).
2:26
Im tired of explaining things to you. Shut up.
November 16, 2006
2:58 PM
Mikkie writes:
Funny....I do recall some pretty unambiguous statements (rants actually) from the usual suspects about accountability. Their silence is a stark contrast now that the birds are home to roost.
November 16, 2006
3:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
Stop being an asshole JW and I won't have to point it out each time. It is fun to see you twist, though.
November 16, 2006
3:09 PM
Mine Too writes:
For all the hyperbole about right wing efforts to thwart voting access, Denver stands as the example of the pot calling the kettle black - pitch black.
November 16, 2006
3:13 PM
Bemused writes:
I hope the Democratic National Convention is held in Denver to highlight the real way to run elections.
November 16, 2006
3:21 PM
Democrat for Change writes:
I voted for change and got the shock of my life with the poor performance of Denvers voting system. I hope this "change" is not planned on the national level.
November 16, 2006
3:34 PM
Anonymous writes:
Only the truly weakminded don't understand the difference between the failure of a voting system and the intentional vote suppression efforts seen in Florida and Ohio
November 16, 2006
3:39 PM
Anonymous writes:
Some proof instead of unsubstantiated talking points left over from the last propaganda cycle would be refreshing.
November 16, 2006
3:47 PM
Anonymous writes:
I don't follow your logic 3:34. We clearly saw Democratic limos ferrying democratic voters to the polls. Leaving behind poor libertarian and other voters without a ride could be construed as suppressing that vote as well.
November 16, 2006
4:04 PM
Anonymous writes:
So you do understand the difference between the failure of a server and the intentional supression of votes
November 16, 2006
5:47 PM
Anonymous writes:
The real question is whether you recognize your party's efforts to disenfranchise voters, hypocritically while holding themselves up as the voter's savior. Reality check lemming.
November 16, 2006
5:51 PM
Anonymous writes:
"Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid of Nevada has recommended Denver City Councilwoman Rosemary Rodriguez for a seat on the federal Election Assistance Commission. "
RMN 11/16/06
I'm laughing too hard to even try to come up with a response to the irony.
November 17, 2006
8:53 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
RMN must have hired Rainey to run their blog. I can't post anything.